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#1 SF40.7

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 02:11 PM

Interested in the soto 30 but all links I could find have dried up. Longitude Yachts site is dead.

Any info would be appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Paul 



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 06:51 PM

Looked like a pretty cool boat.  Sorry that it seems to have vaporized.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 06:56 PM

Yep, would love to know how much they want for hull #1 before it rots in some corner of a yard for 5yrs.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:50 PM

I think it went to HK, no??



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 01:54 AM

never seen a Soto30 here...



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 02:29 AM

Last heard of in Thailand was it not? 



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 09:07 AM

yep parked up at the Boat Lagoon Marina, Phuket. Hasn't been in the water for near 18 months! :(



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 09:52 AM

Lackluster performance at launch, bad business, or both?

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 10:21 AM

Performance for a 30 foot sportsyacht was fine; seemed to truck along pretty well; obviously a true lightweight sportsboat is going to be quicker downwind, but that was always going to be the case.

Didn't rate brilliantly under IRC, but again, expected as lightweight boats never rate so well under IRC in the smaller sizes - at least in TOG they might have faired better racing with us (3XShaw 650s, Phuket 8, Welbourne 25, T650) they would have then been quick upwind, but would have struggled to match the pace of the quickest boats downwind as we are lot lighter than a 30 footer and a lot quicker with more time in the boats. But even so, to be mid fleet in IRC is a fine way to start before any tuning etc.

Quite sizeable inside, and definitely a well put together machine.

Everyone that has sailed on it, told me it was a really nice boat. To hear it is parked up in the Phuket marina somewhere, and not being used at the moment is a little sad.

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 10:28 AM

Sad indeed.
Sounds as though the business deal imploded. Who were the principals?

#11 SF40.7

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 08:20 PM

Thanks for the updates, any thoughts on how to contact the owner?

 

Looking up the marina now, but in SF, so no walking down to take a look :-).

 

Thanks,

 

Paul



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Posted 23 October 2013 - 06:22 AM

There is a great alternative in the Carabelli 30. Alive and kicking (ass of the Soto 30?)

 

http://www.carabelli30.com.br/



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 11:09 AM

There is a great alternative in the Carabelli 30. Alive and kicking (ass of the Soto 30?)
 
http://www.carabelli30.com.br/

Got any English information? Google translate does OK on that website, but nothing else seems to come up

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 09:16 AM

Always sad to see boats end up this way. So much money and energy wasted. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I liked the look of it. 

 

Cheers

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 03:11 AM

I see that the China Cup had a fleet of Soto 27s racing OD. Built by Corum Yachts in Taiwan and originally designed and sailed in South America.

 

I presume there's no connection with the Soto 30 other than sharing a design group...

 

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 07:25 AM

There is a great alternative in the Carabelli 30. Alive and kicking (ass of the Soto 30?)
 
http://www.carabelli30.com.br/

Got any English information? Google translate does OK on that website, but nothing else seems to come up

Yea that thing looks sweet. How many have been built?



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Posted 05 November 2013 - 05:51 PM

everyone loves an cool high performance day boat ( expensive) but those products have a very small market and its not in Asia.

SeaCart 26 anyone?



#18 SF40.7

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 06:16 PM

yep parked up at the Boat Lagoon Marina, Phuket. Hasn't been in the water for near 18 months! :(

Gingerbread, Do you have any thoughts on how to contact the Owner.

Or someone at the Marina who may know.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Paul



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Posted 05 November 2013 - 07:12 PM

Try these:  Tel: +66 (0) 76 238533   Fax: +66 (0) 76 238541
 



#20 SF40.7

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 11:06 PM

Try these:  Tel: +66 (0) 76 238533   Fax: +66 (0) 76 238541
 

Thanks I'll give a call.

 

Best...



#21 Trevor B

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 04:01 AM

There is a Soto 30 being rigged in Richmond, California, today.
Looks pretty interesting.

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 04:38 AM

See the Xmas thread:

 

http://forums.sailin...howtopic=157491



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 05:29 AM

See the Xmas thread:
 
http://forums.sailin...howtopic=157491


Started by the very same person that started this one ;)

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 02:03 PM

That thread didn't come up when I searched for Soto, sorry.



#25 SF40.7

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 02:04 PM

Good Day All,

 

Don't want to go thread crazy so I will add updates to this thread.

 

First BIG thanks to steveromagnio who got me in touch with Tim the owner of Hull #1 and provided great input on

what to look/watch out for in a boat that was sitting on the hard in Thailand for over a year.

 

Quick recap:

Started this thread, and was able to find boat #1 (thanks to SA). While doing research on the boats construction (could it stand up to a life in SF high winds and chop) I got in touch with Javier Soto. He pointed me to East Asia Composites (EAC) the builders of Hull #1, where they informed me that Hull #2 was still sitting on the factory floor and was available for sale :-).  The boat still need a keel and rudder, and some TLC. We were able to come to a deal to complete the boat and ship it to SF along with the mast from South Africa.

Paul Scholten and Greg Boller from EAC were great to deal with, very professional sent tons of pics of the build, with great documentation on how to assemble the boat. 

 

I have to say I was nervous having never imported a boat from over seas, but these guys were great and took no short cuts in putting the boat together for us. I could not be more pleased, All the parts were labeled, with detailed docs on how to assemble the running rigging.

 

North sails are on the way: one set of racing sails and one set of shorthanded/cruising sails for the family  (small jib and main to clear the runners).

 

Bottom paint going on this week or next depending on how they are going to paint the boat (hanging or on stands). If the use stands the mast will go in today.

 

Thanks agin to the SA crew for helping me find the boat.

 

All the best,

 

Paul 

 

More updates as we get closer to splashing...



#26 Savage 17

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 02:36 PM

do they have more sitting on the factory floor?



#27 SF40.7

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 04:16 PM

do they have more sitting on the factory floor?

No, we grabbed the last one, but if the boat shows well they will build more.

We plan to race the ShXt out of it, plus lots of day sailing with the cruising sails.

So we should have some detailed reports as we get up to speed (what every that will be) lots of unknowns.

 

Best,

 

Paul



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 04:34 PM

Congrats Paul...the boat looks AWESOME !!

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 04:49 PM

Thanks Drew,

 

Did you get a chance to look her over?

Feel free to go aboard.

 

Best,

 

Paul



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 05:13 PM

Hope you have an awesome time with it!  Excited to hear how it performs.  It'd be pretty cool if you started something and generated enoguh interest for them to start it up again...  Why did they only produce 2 boats?



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 05:31 PM

Congrats Paul...the boat looks AWESOME !!

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Very nice!!!



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 08:00 PM

I'll scout around today. Working on a J111 next door.

 

When are we sailing?



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 08:45 PM

Sails are the long pole right now, and figuring out the outboard well.



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Posted 30 May 2014 - 11:24 AM

Power moves! Nice job man! Can't wait to see some photos/video...

 

Cheers,

 

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 01:56 PM

We have Stick :-)

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 02:01 PM

Rigging coming together as well.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 03:21 PM

If you don't mind me asking how much were the Soto 30's brand new when they were designed? Around the same as the Farr 280, J88 and C&C 30? $160k



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Posted 30 May 2014 - 03:35 PM

If you don't mind me asking how much were the Soto 30's brand new when they were designed? Around the same as the Farr 280, J88 and C&C 30? $160k

I think around $120 + shipping, sails, etc



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Posted 30 May 2014 - 08:54 PM

If you don't mind me asking how much were the Soto 30's brand new when they were designed? Around the same as the Farr 280, J88 and C&C 30? $160k

I think around $120 + shipping, sails, etc

So, right in line then.... $120k is a base boat which is around the same price as the others mentioned....

 

the $160k is with sails, trailer and electronics.....



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Posted 31 May 2014 - 12:27 AM

I think the target price for the SOTO was right around 100 BU but obviously it turned out to not be a viable business model............



#41 arr4ws

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Posted 31 May 2014 - 01:46 AM

Same price as the 88. Congrats!

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Posted 31 May 2014 - 03:24 PM

I think the target price for the SOTO was right around 100 BU but obviously it turned out to not be a viable business model............

 

Could be the case, hard to make a living building small boats at $120K+.

 

As you can guess we were not looking for one design (or it was not are #1 concern) we wanted a mini GP style boat.

Fast and fun with a shed load of things to learn to make it go. We think it will be a great boat, that will challenge our sailing

skills for sometime.

 

Best,

 

Paul 



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Posted 03 June 2014 - 06:35 AM

We have Stick :-)

 

Love this photo. Looks like you have a mini radar!

 

Mex



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Posted 03 June 2014 - 11:31 AM

Rigging coming together as well.

Me thinks you may want that trav track to go all the way across based on my exp with powered up sporties. That aint no j24



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Posted 03 June 2014 - 01:07 PM

I think the target price for the SOTO was right around 100 BU but obviously it turned out to not be a viable business model............

 

Could be the case, hard to make a living building small boats at $120K+.

 

As you can guess we were not looking for one design (or it was not are #1 concern) we wanted a mini GP style boat.

Fast and fun with a shed load of things to learn to make it go. We think it will be a great boat, that will challenge our sailing

skills for sometime.

 

Best,

 

Paul 

 

under which handicap or rating system will you be racing?



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Posted 03 June 2014 - 01:57 PM

I thought the same thing, but my Rigger's (Both top notch), Told me that this length (relative) is common with some of the TP 52's (check TNZ, Beecom, and the new Phoenix) relying on the vang for more leach control and de-powering the main.

 

But I don't know ShiX, will learn as we go.

 

Best,

 

Paul

 

 

 

 

Rigging coming together as well.

Me thinks you may want that trav track to go all the way across based on my exp with powered up sporties. That aint no j24



#47 SF40.7

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 02:00 PM

PHRF for sure, and what ever Sport boat rating system we can use on the Bay.

But my guess would be something close to a M32 when all is said and done.

 

 

 

I think the target price for the SOTO was right around 100 BU but obviously it turned out to not be a viable business model............

 

Could be the case, hard to make a living building small boats at $120K+.

 

As you can guess we were not looking for one design (or it was not are #1 concern) we wanted a mini GP style boat.

Fast and fun with a shed load of things to learn to make it go. We think it will be a great boat, that will challenge our sailing

skills for sometime.

 

Best,

 

Paul 

 

under which handicap or rating system will you be racing?



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Posted 03 June 2014 - 04:51 PM


Rigging coming together as well.

Me thinks you may want that trav track to go all the way across based on my exp with powered up sporties. That aint no j24

Take a good look at the traveller arrangement on the MELGES 32, Turd.

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 05:49 PM

 


Rigging coming together as well.

Me thinks you may want that trav track to go all the way across based on my exp with powered up sporties. That aint no j24

Take a good look at the traveller arrangement on the MELGES 32, Turd.

Yeah and I'm not a fan of having to go all mega vang when all i'm looking to do is just drop trav and sheet hard when the breeze is up all to save what 6 - 7 ounces of trav track



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Posted 03 June 2014 - 06:46 PM


 



Rigging coming together as well.

Me thinks you may want that trav track to go all the way across based on my exp with powered up sporties. That aint no j24
Take a good look at the traveller arrangement on the MELGES 32, Turd.
Yeah and I'm not a fan of having to go all mega vang when all i'm looking to do is just drop trav and sheet hard when the breeze is up all to save what 6 - 7 ounces of trav track

You need to study the M32 more. The traveller arrangement was not driven by weight.
Ever sailed on one?

#51 SF40.7

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Posted 06 June 2014 - 04:29 PM

Getting closer, She gets wet today :-)

 

 

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Posted 06 June 2014 - 04:51 PM

Don't forget to give her a proper christening!
Name?

#53 familysailor

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Posted 06 June 2014 - 11:14 PM


 

Getting closer, She gets wet today :-)

What bottom paint did you choose?



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Posted 07 June 2014 - 06:13 PM

Trinidad SR Two coats on subsequent days

Lightly sanded to polished surface

Faired any imperfection in the bottom.

 

Best,

 

Paul 



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Posted 08 June 2014 - 03:45 AM

It will be nice to hear how often you need to have it cleaned. Which harbor are you in in Sausalito?

Did you figure out the outboard well setup? Are you going to use it or work with an engine on the stern?



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Posted 08 June 2014 - 12:39 PM

Trinidad SR Two coats on subsequent days

Lightly sanded to polished surface

Faired any imperfection in the bottom.

 

Best,

 

Paul 

wow no balltoplate or vc offshore? or is it too warm?



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Posted 08 June 2014 - 12:45 PM

I thought the same thing, but my Rigger's (Both top notch), Told me that this length (relative) is common with some of the TP 52's (check TNZ, Beecom, and the new Phoenix) relying on the vang for more leach control and de-powering the main. But I don't know ShiX, will learn as we go. Best, Paul ]


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