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#2101 White Cracker

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 01:30 AM

Watching Obama ignore his own law makes me smile, too.



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 01:34 AM

Watching the Republicans sue to unravel Obamacare with 20 million newly insured makes me smile too.



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 01:44 AM

20 million?

 

Did they get a free Hope and Change Tee Shirt with every cancelled policy?



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 01:46 AM

No, but they will have a lot of cancelled party memberships to throw at you when the suit succeeds.



#2105 Sean

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 02:12 AM

So Boehner is going to sue Obama over unilateral changes to the ACA. Is that a winner? Should be interesting to watch.

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 02:12 AM

So Boehner is going to sue Obama over unilateral changes to the ACA. Is that a winner? Should be interesting to watch.

What are the damages he's seeking?



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 02:18 AM

According to a resolution posted on the House Rules Committee website, John Boehner will be suing President Obama for not enforcing parts of the Affordable Care Act.

The resolution states:

Resolved, That the Speaker may initiate or intervene in one or more civil actions on behalf of the House of Representatives in a Federal court of competent jurisdiction to seek relief pursuant to sections 2201 and 2202 of title 28, United States Code, and to seek appropriate ancillary relief, including injunctive relief, regarding the failure of the President, the head of any department or agency, or any other officer or employee of the United States, to act in a manner consistent with that official’s duties under the Constitution and laws of the United States with respect to implementation of (including a failure to implement) any provision of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and title I and subtitle B of title II of the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, including any amendment made by such provision.

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 02:47 AM

Watching the Republicans sue to unravel Obamacare with 20 million newly insured makes me smile too.

 

Really?  You have a cite for that?  The key word being "newly".  Does that include people who were promised they could keep their insurance, were dropped because of Obamacare, and then had to sign up for Obamacare?

 

Am I missing something?



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 02:51 AM

In a civil lawsuit, doesn't the plaintiff need to specify damages?  Ancillary relief is a divorce term.  Aren't there any practicing lawyers in the GOP who could have helped them write this suit?



Watching the Republicans sue to unravel Obamacare with 20 million newly insured makes me smile too.

 

Really?  You have a cite for that?  The key word being "newly".  Does that include people who were promised they could keep their insurance, were dropped because of Obamacare, and then had to sign up for Obamacare?

 

Am I missing something?

Yup every damn one of them.  Serves them right for buying such shitty policies for all their socks.



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 02:51 AM

Watching the Republicans sue to unravel Obamacare with 20 million newly insured makes me smile too.

 

Really?  You have a cite for that?  The key word being "newly".  Does that include people who were promised they could keep their insurance, were dropped because of Obamacare, and then had to sign up for Obamacare?

 

Am I missing something?

Other than the fact that Boehner can't prove damages,, I don't know. You tell me.



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 02:53 AM

Standing will be an issue with the suit also.  How was Boehner damaged by the President?



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 03:00 AM

Watching the Republicans sue to unravel Obamacare with 20 million newly insured makes me smile too.

 

Really?  You have a cite for that?  The key word being "newly".  Does that include people who were promised they could keep their insurance, were dropped because of Obamacare, and then had to sign up for Obamacare?

 

Am I missing something?

 

Sorry RD, not newly, but 20 million people just the same. For the purposes of my post, the numbers work the same. The GOP opens a huge can of worms that might make the Tea Party happy, but they destroy the other half of their potential votes by screwing them on insurance. This suit is a lose lose for Boehner and the GOP, I hope Obama countersues and uses every wedge issue to make them look like the idiots they are. Here are the number breakdowns. http://time.com/2950...lth-care-obama/



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 03:00 AM

Standing will be an issue with the suit also.  How was Boehner damaged by the President?


The employer mandate was delayed for a year, right? So the suit gets filed and served and they kick it around a bit... Then Obummer lifts the waiver and the suit is moot. Both sides declare victory.

Hee haw. More DC circus.

My prediction.

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 03:04 AM

Watching the Republicans sue to unravel Obamacare with 20 million newly insured makes me smile too.

 
Really?  You have a cite for that?  The key word being "newly".  Does that include people who were promised they could keep their insurance, were dropped because of Obamacare, and then had to sign up for Obamacare?
 
Am I missing something?

The verdict is in: Obamacare lowers uninsured
http://www.politico....red-108789.html


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By DAVID NATHER | 7/10/14 8:20 PM EDT
The evidence is piling up now: Obamacare really does seem to be helping the uninsured.

Survey after survey is showing that the number of uninsured people has been going down since the start of enrollment last fall. The numbers don’t all match, and health care experts say they’re not precise enough to give more than a general idea of the trend.

But by now, the trend is unmistakable: millions of people who didn’t have health insurance before the Affordable Care Act have gained it since last fall. The law is not just covering people who already had health coverage, but adding new people to the ranks of the insured — which was the point of the law all along.

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 03:06 AM

Standing will be an issue with the suit also.  How was Boehner damaged by the President?


The employer mandate was delayed for a year, right? So the suit gets filed and served and they kick it around a bit... Then Obummer lifts the waiver and the suit is moot. Both sides declare victory.
Hee haw. More DC circus.
My prediction.

Obama won't be in office by the time this gets adjudicated.

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 03:06 AM

Boehner should have listened to Sarah and went the impeachment route.  Its clear Obama broke the law, its just a cherry waiting to be picked.

Boehner could possibly be the worst speaker of the house in US history.



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 03:36 AM

for all the whining about Obama, the true idiot in all this is the Speaker. At least Obama is getting some things done...



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 03:48 AM

Hey SpeciousEd - I'm not realizing any savings. Did find insurance that is comparable to what's being cancelled - but it's about 100 smackers a month more. Why do I need contraception and prenatal care ( not to mention abortion coverage) when the wife and I are just a bit too old for that?

In other news, Obama is unaware what is being tweeted in his name, maybe.
Don't you just love it when he's unaware of gunrunning, IRS targeting, IRS coverups, Benghazi requests for security by the ambassador and the fact that it wasn't the video? Or that "unexpectedly" the economy isn't that great?
Unexpectedly, unaware, and " I read about it in the news" are recurring memes with this bunch of amateurs.

Who was it that wrote,"The unexamined life is not worth living" ? This cluck's life is not only unexamined, its spent in blissful ignorance. Like yours.

I'd tell you that you were a schnorkeling syncophantic dimwit with your head so far up the administration's collective ( nice ref to their far-Left ideology there, dontcha think? I didn't want your planarian level perception to miss it) ass they have to fart so you can breathe. That would, however, be demeaning to schnorkelers, syncophants, lackeys and other lickspittles. I will rest upon this and try to find the words. In the meantime you should engage in a battle of wits with a guppy - a challenge which, although a losing proposition for you and a waste of the guppy's valuable time will keep you occupied enough to reduce your internet drivel output.

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 03:52 AM



Watching the Republicans sue to unravel Obamacare with 20 million newly insured makes me smile too.

 
Really?  You have a cite for that?  The key word being "newly".  Does that include people who were promised they could keep their insurance, were dropped because of Obamacare, and then had to sign up for Obamacare?
 
Am I missing something?
The verdict is in: Obamacare lowers uninsured
http://www.politico....red-108789.html




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By DAVID NATHER | 7/10/14 8:20 PM EDT
The evidence is piling up now: Obamacare really does seem to be helping the uninsured.

Survey after survey is showing that the number of uninsured people has been going down since the start of enrollment last fall. The numbers dont all match, and health care experts say theyre not precise enough to give more than a general idea of the trend.

But by now, the trend is unmistakable: millions of people who didnt have health insurance before the Affordable Care Act have gained it since last fall. The law is not just covering people who already had health coverage, but adding new people to the ranks of the insured which was the point of the law all along.

Politico? Politico? Their collective tongue is this administrations doormat. Spin and hogwash thinly disguised for the unaware and unperceptive.

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 03:54 AM

for all the whining about Obama, the true idiot in all this is the Speaker. At least Obama is getting some things done...

 

God save the King!



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 04:13 AM

Hey SpeciousEd - I'm not realizing any savings. Did find insurance that is comparable to what's being cancelled - but it's about 100 smackers a month more. Why do I need contraception and prenatal care ( not to mention abortion coverage) when the wife and I are just a bit too old for that?
In other news, Obama is unaware what is being tweeted in his name, maybe.
Don't you just love it when he's unaware of gunrunning, IRS targeting, IRS coverups, Benghazi requests for security by the ambassador and the fact that it wasn't the video? Or that "unexpectedly" the economy isn't that great?
Unexpectedly, unaware, and " I read about it in the news" are recurring memes with this bunch of amateurs.
Who was it that wrote,"The unexamined life is not worth living" ? This cluck's life is not only unexamined, its spent in blissful ignorance. Like yours.
I'd tell you that you were a schnorkeling syncophantic dimwit with your head so far up the administration's collective ( nice ref to their far-Left ideology there, dontcha think? I didn't want your planarian level perception to miss it) ass they have to fart so you can breathe. That would, however, be demeaning to schnorkelers, syncophants, lackeys and other lickspittles. I will rest upon this and try to find the words. In the meantime you should engage in a battle of wits with a guppy - a challenge which, although a losing proposition for you and a waste of the guppy's valuable time will keep you occupied enough to reduce your internet drivel output.

I am getting the impression you don't care for me. That is a shame.

#2122 Sean

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 09:37 AM


Watching the Republicans sue to unravel Obamacare with 20 million newly insured makes me smile too.

 
Really?  You have a cite for that?  The key word being "newly".  Does that include people who were promised they could keep their insurance, were dropped because of Obamacare, and then had to sign up for Obamacare?
 
Am I missing something?
The verdict is in: Obamacare lowers uninsuredhttp://www.politico....red-108789.html
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By DAVID NATHER | 7/10/14 8:20 PM EDT
The evidence is piling up now: Obamacare really does seem to be helping the uninsured.
Survey after survey is showing that the number of uninsured people has been going down since the start of enrollment last fall. The numbers dont all match, and health care experts say theyre not precise enough to give more than a general idea of the trend.
But by now, the trend is unmistakable: millions of people who didnt have health insurance before the Affordable Care Act have gained it since last fall. The law is not just covering people who already had health coverage, but adding new people to the ranks of the insured which was the point of the law all along.

Politico? Politico? Their collective tongue is this administrations doormat. Spin and hogwash thinly disguised for the unaware and unperceptive.
Tell that to Frederick J. Ryan Jr., former Assistant to the President in the Reagan administration. I always felt they were right leaning, but trying hard to be centrist.

Frederick J. Ryan, Jr. is founding President and Chief Executive Officer of POLITICO. He is also President and Chief Operating Officer of Allbritton Communications Company, a Washington, D.C. based corporation that owns and operates television stations, a cable news channel and internet ventures.

He serves on the Board of Councilors of the Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism at the University of Southern California, is Chairman of the White House Historical Association and Chairman of the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation.

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 05:05 PM

Politico? Politico? Their collective tongue is this administrations doormat. Spin and hogwash thinly disguised for the unaware and unperceptive.

 

Politico is solidly right of center. Sorry for the confusion.



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 05:08 PM

 

Standing will be an issue with the suit also.  How was Boehner damaged by the President?


The employer mandate was delayed for a year, right? So the suit gets filed and served and they kick it around a bit... Then Obummer lifts the waiver and the suit is moot. Both sides declare victory.
Hee haw. More DC circus.
My prediction.

Obama won't be in office by the time this gets adjudicated.

It won't be adjudicated, it will be dismissed as moot, when the employer mandate is put into effect next year.  



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 05:13 PM

It won't be adjudicated, it will be dismissed as moot, when the employer mandate is put into effect next year.  

 

That's flotsam. It will be tossed as a political matter. That's jetsam.

 

If the one-year delay was so egregious, why wait a year to address it with this lawsuit?

 

http://politicalwire...rs_lawsuit.html



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 01:30 AM

Anybody remember this?



H.R.2667 -- Authority for Mandate Delay Act (Introduced in House - IH)

HR 2667 IH

113th CONGRESS
1st Session

H. R. 2667
To delay the application of the employer health insurance mandate, and for other purposes.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
July 11, 2013

Mr. GRIFFIN of Arkansas (for himself, Mr. YOUNG of Indiana, Mr. BOUSTANY, Mr. BRADY of Texas, Mrs. BLACK, Mr. CAMP, Mr. TIBERI, Mr. ROSKAM, Mr. KELLY of Pennsylvania, Mr. GERLACH, Mr. NUNES, Mr. SAM JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. SMITH of Nebraska, Mr. BUCHANAN, Mr. PRICE of Georgia, Mr. REICHERT, Mr. RENACCI, Ms. JENKINS, Mr. SCHOCK, Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin, Mr. REED, Mr. MARCHANT, Mr. PAULSEN, and Mrs. BLACKBURN) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Ways and Means


A BILL
To delay the application of the employer health insurance mandate, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Authority for Mandate Delay Act'.
SEC. 2. DELAY IN APPLICATION OF EMPLOYER HEALTH INSURANCE MANDATE.

(a) In General- Section 1513(d) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is amended by striking `December 31, 2013' and inserting `December 31, 2014'.
(B) Reporting Requirements-
(1) REPORTING BY EMPLOYERS- Section 1514(d) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is amended by striking `December 31, 2013' and inserting `December 31, 2014'.
(2) REPORTING BY INSURANCE PROVIDERS- Section 1502(e) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is amended by striking `2013' and inserting `2014'.
© Effective Date- The amendments made by this section shall take effect as if included in the provision of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act to which they relate.

#2127 Regatta Dog

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 01:54 AM

Anybody remember this?



H.R.2667 -- Authority for Mandate Delay Act (Introduced in House - IH)

HR 2667 IH

113th CONGRESS
1st Session

H. R. 2667
To delay the application of the employer health insurance mandate, and for other purposes.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
July 11, 2013

Mr. GRIFFIN of Arkansas (for himself, Mr. YOUNG of Indiana, Mr. BOUSTANY, Mr. BRADY of Texas, Mrs. BLACK, Mr. CAMP, Mr. TIBERI, Mr. ROSKAM, Mr. KELLY of Pennsylvania, Mr. GERLACH, Mr. NUNES, Mr. SAM JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. SMITH of Nebraska, Mr. BUCHANAN, Mr. PRICE of Georgia, Mr. REICHERT, Mr. RENACCI, Ms. JENKINS, Mr. SCHOCK, Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin, Mr. REED, Mr. MARCHANT, Mr. PAULSEN, and Mrs. BLACKBURN) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Ways and Means


A BILL
To delay the application of the employer health insurance mandate, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Authority for Mandate Delay Act'.
SEC. 2. DELAY IN APPLICATION OF EMPLOYER HEALTH INSURANCE MANDATE.

(a) In General- Section 1513(d) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is amended by striking `December 31, 2013' and inserting `December 31, 2014'.
( B) Reporting Requirements-
(1) REPORTING BY EMPLOYERS- Section 1514(d) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is amended by striking `December 31, 2013' and inserting `December 31, 2014'.
(2) REPORTING BY INSURANCE PROVIDERS- Section 1502(e) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is amended by striking `2013' and inserting `2014'.
© Effective Date- The amendments made by this section shall take effect as if included in the provision of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act to which they relate.

 

How did Pelosi feel about that bill?  Was she against it before she was for it?



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 02:33 AM

Anybody remember this?



H.R.2667 -- Authority for Mandate Delay Act (Introduced in House - IH)

HR 2667 IH

113th CONGRESS
1st Session

H. R. 2667
To delay the application of the employer health insurance mandate, and for other purposes.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
July 11, 2013

Mr. GRIFFIN of Arkansas (for himself, Mr. YOUNG of Indiana, Mr. BOUSTANY, Mr. BRADY of Texas, Mrs. BLACK, Mr. CAMP, Mr. TIBERI, Mr. ROSKAM, Mr. KELLY of Pennsylvania, Mr. GERLACH, Mr. NUNES, Mr. SAM JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. SMITH of Nebraska, Mr. BUCHANAN, Mr. PRICE of Georgia, Mr. REICHERT, Mr. RENACCI, Ms. JENKINS, Mr. SCHOCK, Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin, Mr. REED, Mr. MARCHANT, Mr. PAULSEN, and Mrs. BLACKBURN) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Ways and Means


A BILL
To delay the application of the employer health insurance mandate, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Authority for Mandate Delay Act'.
SEC. 2. DELAY IN APPLICATION OF EMPLOYER HEALTH INSURANCE MANDATE.

(a) In General- Section 1513(d) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is amended by striking `December 31, 2013' and inserting `December 31, 2014'.
( B) Reporting Requirements-
(1) REPORTING BY EMPLOYERS- Section 1514(d) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is amended by striking `December 31, 2013' and inserting `December 31, 2014'.
(2) REPORTING BY INSURANCE PROVIDERS- Section 1502(e) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is amended by striking `2013' and inserting `2014'.
© Effective Date- The amendments made by this section shall take effect as if included in the provision of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act to which they relate.

I remember it stalled in the Senate.. Not sure where you are going, care to clarify?

 

 

https://www.govtrack...ills/113/hr2667



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 11:22 AM

Anybody remember this?
H.R.2667 -- Authority for Mandate Delay Act (Introduced in House - IH)
HR 2667 IH
113th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 2667
To delay the application of the employer health insurance mandate, and for other purposes.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
July 11, 2013
Mr. GRIFFIN of Arkansas (for himself, Mr. YOUNG of Indiana, Mr. BOUSTANY, Mr. BRADY of Texas, Mrs. BLACK, Mr. CAMP, Mr. TIBERI, Mr. ROSKAM, Mr. KELLY of Pennsylvania, Mr. GERLACH, Mr. NUNES, Mr. SAM JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. SMITH of Nebraska, Mr. BUCHANAN, Mr. PRICE of Georgia, Mr. REICHERT, Mr. RENACCI, Ms. JENKINS, Mr. SCHOCK, Mr. RYAN of Wisconsin, Mr. REED, Mr. MARCHANT, Mr. PAULSEN, and Mrs. BLACKBURN) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Ways and Means
A BILL
To delay the application of the employer health insurance mandate, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Authority for Mandate Delay Act'.
SEC. 2. DELAY IN APPLICATION OF EMPLOYER HEALTH INSURANCE MANDATE.
(a) In General- Section 1513(d) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is amended by striking `December 31, 2013' and inserting `December 31, 2014'.
( B) Reporting Requirements-
(1) REPORTING BY EMPLOYERS- Section 1514(d) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is amended by striking `December 31, 2013' and inserting `December 31, 2014'.
(2) REPORTING BY INSURANCE PROVIDERS- Section 1502(e) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is amended by striking `2013' and inserting `2014'.
© Effective Date- The amendments made by this section shall take effect as if included in the provision of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act to which they relate.

I remember it stalled in the Senate.. Not sure where you are going, care to clarify?
 
 
https://www.govtrack...ills/113/hr2667

I just thought it mildly interesting that the House was for it before they were against it. 100% political theater designed to do nothing but rile up the base. Another complete waste of time and money. It is, however, entertaining.

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:55 PM

Only a couple of months till people head to the voting booth to unleash their anger over this socialist abomination.  



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Posted 10 September 2014 - 03:01 PM

Only a couple of months till people head to the voting booth to unleash their anger over this socialist abomination.  

 

I wonder how many dems are going to run on the benefits of Obamacare.



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Posted 10 September 2014 - 03:19 PM

The Myth of ObamaCare's Affordability 

http://online.wsj.co...lity-1410218437 

"Although the ACA helps specific populations by giving them a bigger slice of the economic pie, the law diminishes the pie itself. It reduces the amount that Americans work, and it makes their work less productive. This slows growth in both personal income and gross domestic product." 

"The "29er" phenomenon is a good example of how the law harms productivity. Because ACA's "employer mandate" requires firms with 50 or more full-time workers to offer health plans to employees who work more than 30 hours a week, many employers and employees have adopted 29-hour work schedules. This is not the most productive way to arrange the workplace, but it allows employers to avoid the mandate and its penalties and helps the employees qualify for individual assistance." 

"By the end of this decade, nearly 20 million additional Americans will have health insurance as a consequence of the law. But the ultimate economywide cost of their enrollments will be at least double what it would have been if these people had enrolled without government carrots and sticks; that is, if they had decided it was worth spending their own money on health insurance. In effect, people who aren't receiving assistance through the ACA are paying twice for the law: once as the total economic pie gets smaller and again as they receive a smaller piece. " 

Mr. Mulligan is a professor of economics at the University of Chicago and the author of the new e-book "Side Effects: The Economic Consequences of the Health Reform" (JMJ Economics, 2014).



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Posted 10 September 2014 - 04:31 PM

Wow. 100 more patients per month. A 12 percent spike. The end of the world as we know it.

 

My family deductible is now $6K per year.  What little coverage I currently enjoy will be reduced, with higher premium costs next year.  Go ACA!!!   

Ya know, I'd be happy w/high deductibles, if, after the deductibles, the coverage was actually doing something, or the premiums were reduced.    My premiums are now almost 40% more than they were several years ago when I had a zero-deductible/small copay ($25 ofc/$10 prescription/$150 ER) plan. The ACA isn't doing anything to help me. 

 

You obviously are not paying your fair share.



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Posted 10 September 2014 - 04:39 PM

I've said all along that they need to pursue a market based solution to the health care mess.  It seems like nobody believes in the power of the free market anymore. The market value of something is the price which a willing buyer will pay to a willing seller.  Get rid of the middleman who adds nothing but cost to the equation, by outlawing health insurance, not compelling its purchase.  Let consumers of medical services negotiate price directly with medical providers.  Costs of care will come down.  Unnecessary tests?  A thing of the past.  

 

The free market is the answer.  Problem SOLved.  



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Posted 10 September 2014 - 04:42 PM

I've said all along that they need to pursue a market based solution to the health care mess.  It seems like nobody believes in the power of the free market anymore. The market value of something is the price which a willing buyer will pay to a willing seller.  Get rid of the middleman who adds nothing but cost to the equation, by outlawing health insurance, not compelling its purchase.  Let consumers of medical services negotiate price directly with medical providers.  Costs of care will come down.  Unnecessary tests?  A thing of the past.  

 

The free market is the answer.  Problem SOLved.  

 

What's happened to you, Sol? Take a smart pill?

BeJesus.  I'm impressed!



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Posted 10 September 2014 - 04:47 PM

I've said all along that they need to pursue a market based solution to the health care mess.  It seems like nobody believes in the power of the free market anymore. The market value of something is the price which a willing buyer will pay to a willing seller.  Get rid of the middleman who adds nothing but cost to the equation, by outlawing health insurance, not compelling its purchase.  Let consumers of medical services negotiate price directly with medical providers.  Costs of care will come down.  Unnecessary tests?  A thing of the past.  

 

The free market is the answer.  Problem SOLved.  

 

What's happened to you, Sol? Take a smart pill?

BeJesus.  I'm impressed!

I've said that from day one when talking about how to stem increasing health care costs.  The doctors aren't getting the windfall, the patients are paying more and getting less.  It's the insurance pimps getting in between consumer and provider like real pimps get between customer and hooker.  Prices go up, the pimps make all the money while providing nothing and limiting access to the product.  

 

Outlaw the pimps and let the market set the price for services.  



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Posted 10 September 2014 - 04:52 PM

He's pulling our leg again.



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Posted 10 September 2014 - 05:12 PM

No he's not.  He has been very consitent in his position.



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Posted 10 September 2014 - 05:22 PM

I was onboard with that when Hilary was yapping about HC.

I've said all along that they need to pursue a market based solution to the health care mess.  It seems like nobody believes in the power of the free market anymore. The market value of something is the price which a willing buyer will pay to a willing seller.  Get rid of the middleman who adds nothing but cost to the equation, by outlawing health insurance, not compelling its purchase.  Let consumers of medical services negotiate price directly with medical providers.  Costs of care will come down.  Unnecessary tests?  A thing of the past.  

 

The free market is the answer.  Problem SOLved.  



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Posted 10 September 2014 - 05:23 PM

I was onboard with that when Hilary was yapping about HC.

I've said all along that they need to pursue a market based solution to the health care mess.  It seems like nobody believes in the power of the free market anymore. The market value of something is the price which a willing buyer will pay to a willing seller.  Get rid of the middleman who adds nothing but cost to the equation, by outlawing health insurance, not compelling its purchase.  Let consumers of medical services negotiate price directly with medical providers.  Costs of care will come down.  Unnecessary tests?  A thing of the past.  

 

The free market is the answer.  Problem SOLved.  

 

 

It is hard to get folks on board with free market solutions these days.  



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Posted 10 September 2014 - 05:41 PM

 

I was onboard with that when Hilary was yapping about HC.

I've said all along that they need to pursue a market based solution to the health care mess.  It seems like nobody believes in the power of the free market anymore. The market value of something is the price which a willing buyer will pay to a willing seller.  Get rid of the middleman who adds nothing but cost to the equation, by outlawing health insurance, not compelling its purchase.  Let consumers of medical services negotiate price directly with medical providers.  Costs of care will come down.  Unnecessary tests?  A thing of the past.  

 

The free market is the answer.  Problem SOLved.  

 

 

It is hard to get folks on board with free market solutions these days.  

 

People get paid to think inside the progressive box.



#2142 Sol No-Ebola Rosenberg

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 05:49 PM

 

 

I was onboard with that when Hilary was yapping about HC.

I've said all along that they need to pursue a market based solution to the health care mess.  It seems like nobody believes in the power of the free market anymore. The market value of something is the price which a willing buyer will pay to a willing seller.  Get rid of the middleman who adds nothing but cost to the equation, by outlawing health insurance, not compelling its purchase.  Let consumers of medical services negotiate price directly with medical providers.  Costs of care will come down.  Unnecessary tests?  A thing of the past.  

 

The free market is the answer.  Problem SOLved.  

 

 

It is hard to get folks on board with free market solutions these days.  

 

People get paid to think inside the progressive box.

The insurance lobby doesn't just own the democRATS, they own the Americans too.  







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