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#1 Bob Perry

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 09:35 PM

We have a thread started over on Cursing Anarchy all about this new custom design for a client I met right here on SA.

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 09:39 PM

Holy Shit Bob..looks awesome. Any early VPP on it?



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 09:45 PM

We have a thread started over on Cursing Anarchy all about this new custom design for a client I met right here on SA.

:)  :wub:  :)  :wub:  :) 



#4 Bob Perry

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 09:48 PM

schooner:

No Vpp's yet. We have been going 7 days a week for a bit over a month to get this far. I have draft and rig height restrictions to work with but I'm dealing with it. The boat has the same displ as the clients current Hinckley SW42. The interior is pretty much my version of what he has now. The biggest change has been the overall hull form and the much longer DWL. We worked hard to get the freeboard down. My client is very big on "row away" factor.



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 10:04 PM

Sweet boat!

 

Wraps modern -and aesthetically sterile- design elements with old school grace.

 

Hinckley should've called you Bob...



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 10:06 PM

I love it! Now THAT is what the new hinckley sailboat should look like!! Very interesting bow on her. Interested to see what you do with the layout down below

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 10:09 PM

Why is it that every nice looking cruising boat has someplace bob Perry's name on it? I'm not really into cruising but if I was going to build one. He would be one of the first to talk to about designs.

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 10:17 PM

Trendy:

Here you go. The interior is simply my tweaked version of what the client has now. That was my design directive. His current boat works very well for him.

 

One eye:

Many thanks for saying that.

 

Sid:

Hinckley did call me. But I didn't think they were serious enough to warrant driving to Seattle to meet with them. Couldn't see Hinckley going with a PNW designer. I don't even own red pants.

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 10:21 PM

nice Bob!! look forward to the continued comments and build photos when they start cooking!!



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 10:22 PM

Very pretty, BP!

Did you consider a ketch rig?



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 10:22 PM

Why is it that every nice looking cruising boat has someplace bob Perry's name on it? I'm not really into cruising but if I was going to build one. He would be one of the first to talk to about designs.

(I laffed becauze you our talkling licke Bobs notte heare)

 

Verrey sweete lookeng Bob, calle me foure sea trialles.



#12 Bob Perry

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 10:23 PM

Will do Snagger. Thanks.

 

Lurker:

No. A mizzen would really have mucked up the cockpit. I want clean and the client likes clean.



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 10:33 PM

Trendy:

Here you go. The interior is simply my tweaked version of what the client has now. That was my design directive. His current boat works very well for him.

 

One eye:

Many thanks for saying that.

 

Sid:

Hinckley did call me. But I didn't think they were serious enough to warrant driving to Seattle to meet with them. Couldn't see Hinckley going with a PNW designer. I don't even own red pants.

 

Bob, no one in Maine wears red pants. That's mostly Nantucket. Faded to pink. Nantucket has been annexed by New York but that's ok because they brought the good food with them. I told you this.



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 10:37 PM

Shit! It's the client., I'd better get back to work.

 

Whatever you say boss.

I'm on it boss.



#15 luminary

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 10:47 PM

Sweet detail on the transom. All the boats I sailed on back in NZ I had to row to. Getting in and out was sometimes an adventure. That step should help, though in any kind of seaway, boarding at midships was preferred.



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 10:59 PM

Fucking sweet boat Maestro!

Carry on!

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 11:01 PM

Very nice looking and love the transom ladder.  If the boat is used right, that will get loads of use.



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 11:06 PM

Thanks you all.

 

Greevs: Long time no see.



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 11:29 PM

what's it rate?



#20 Left Hook

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 11:44 PM

Bob, I may have given you some guff for the FT10 but that's a very sweet looking design you have there. 



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 11:53 PM

Nice looking boat.  Before reading down and just looking at the pic I thought cabin trunk looks very Hinckley/Aldenish so interesting that the client owned a Hinckley.  If looks are any indication of what the final product will be am sure the client will be very happy, thanks for sharing.  Now makes me think like any great composer wonder what would happen if you had a client with an older C&C "classic" design like the 39 or 61 who wanted something with the same feel but some other different parameter (length or whatever)-would love to see the result of that complete with the signature cove stripe/star/sword.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:07 AM

Thanks you all.
 
Greevs: Long time no see.


Yah, I've been hanging out in the cesspool too much lately.

Love the interior layout, only one head!

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:11 AM

Very nice Bob. It reminds me of the Niagara 42 sorta (a favourite of mine), maybe it's transom. And the interior/plan is great. No creeping into the usual Euro-fag interiors that are only good for being firmly tied to the dock these days.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:12 AM

Yep...

 

You nailed it Bob.

 

This isn't yours is it kdh?

 

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:15 AM

Bob, I may have given you some guff for the FT10 but that's a very sweet looking design you have there. 

 

"some guff"?  From the child who believes everything he reads on the internet rather than touching something in real life and then forming an opinion?   No doubt this will be an amazing boat, but it will be that with or without your nonsensical opinions.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:16 AM

sid, here's mine. Hull #77.

 

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:23 AM

Hook:

No problem. You are full of shit and I pay little attention to you. So,.,,no problem. But thanks anyway. I appreciate that.

Nice results for the Tiger in the first Hot Butterred Rum race. You should pay attention.

 

" It reminds me of the Niagara 42"

Now that hurts.

 

Max:

 Right on. No creeping Euro fag interiors for me. This is a layout for many men and one extremely cute little girl, Adele.

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:29 AM

Hook:

No problem. You are full of shit and I pay little attention to you. So,.,,no problem.

 

I coud haddley breethe i wase laffing so harde......



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:35 AM

sid, here's mine. Hull #77.

 

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kdh...

 

I HATE you...

 

B)

 

Not Really...

 

Just jealous as hell.

 

So, I take  it you went to Bob, and said: "Bob, I love my boat, but I want it more perfect..."

 

Or something like that?



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:54 AM

sid, sort of. The Sou'wester 42 has an overall length of 43' and a waterline length of 31'. The new design is 46' overall and 40' at the water. That's another knot of speed in displacement mode in a boat that's as manageable--same weight and windage. In many other respects the new design is modern from a performance perspective for cruising purposes.

 

And at least to my eye there is no compromise aesthetically. To the contrary, the new boat is more purposeful looking, less distorted by extinct rating rules.

 

I'm biased because obviously I'm involved with it, but I think Bob hit it out of the park.

 

He gave the design some thought for a few days, let it percolate in his head, and then drew a fucking masterpiece.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 01:24 AM

Beautiful boat Mr. Perry, I'm trying to figure out what you do with the backstay with the ladder configuration folding out of the stern. Is there enough structure to split it to each corner of the transom? Would there be a hydraulic backstay system for each side?



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 01:24 AM

Hook:

No problem. You are full of shit and I pay little attention to you. So,.,,no problem.

 

I coud haddley breethe i wase laffing so harde......

Me too....friggin' funny. Now I have to get the red wine out of my nose and my keyboard!

 

Bob, not to offend but I was thinking of the out east type (like is said on the CA thread "New England (ish)") I've had some time on a 42 and I think that one had been modified to do exactly that on the transom. I didn't say it was a bad thing. I love your design all over. 

 

And yes, we are inundated by bleach bottles that just give good boat show and that's about. They are great until you have to put your grocery away for the first time or the first time it gets a little bumpy.

 

Good for you kdh for looking towards a real boat not a "sailing caravan".



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 01:49 AM

Low:

Yes, I will split the backstay as I have been doing for 30 years.

Thanks for the nice comments.

 

Max:

Are you posting from the Sloop?

Put that beer down.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 01:52 AM

Nice hollow at the entry Bob, that boat looks right in every aspect. Like the fact that it could handle a proper bimini top if the owner would spend time in the tropics. Very similar cockpit to my C-43, can you strech out all the way on those cockpit benches? Same goes for the galley, again very similar to my boat and I know that it works. Nice to see good sea bunks. Is the mast exposed to water from the shower, could it lead on to corrosion problems at the mast foot? And I like that it has just one head, wanna crap on my boat, I think not, do so on shore :) If I had my way, it would have had a conventional propeller shaft. I understand that it frees up space the way it is but, in my area, aluminimum is best kept out of the water.

Very, very nice! That boat would have been very nice to have here in the Caribbean, taking naps on long cockpit benches under the Bimini and a shower aft on deck to get cleaned up after the sun sets on a hot Caribbean day.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 02:17 AM

So since this will be a Maine boat KDH does this mean I have a chance of seeing her sailing down here in cape cod?

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 02:35 AM

Wow!!

 

That is a beauty.

 

A few quick questions, most likely dumb ones on my part, Couple of dumb questions on my part.

 

1) Cored hull and if so with what i.e. foam, end grain balsa etc.?

2) Also, will the builder vacuum bag the boat?

3) Sail drive or shaft and strut?

4) What  does it draw?

 

I love the custom performance/cruising boats you have designed.....very cool.

 

Of course I have also always liked the Passport 40 and Valiant 40 very cool cruisers with great performance.



#37 Bob Perry

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 03:00 AM

All good questions but I am tired. I start work at 4:30 am to keep up with my East Coast client. I'm knackered.

I'll catch up with you in the morning. Early.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 03:17 AM

Another beauty Bob,

 

 while your answering q's.

 

   I'm curious on the rudder post and the aft rake. (no pun intended)  Seems modern racers and cruisers have trended toward a plumb ( vertical ) post.  I'm not an NA, but always interested in why things work or not. So would be interested in your take.

 

 Also are you spec'ng polyester or epoxy for the layup?

 

thx,



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 03:25 AM

It is a Hinckley, but  by our Bob. What are the Beans counters in Boston are thinking now ?



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 03:33 AM

Wow!!
That is a beauty.
A few quick questions, most likely dumb ones on my part, Couple of dumb questions on my part.
 
...... Snip......
3) Sail drive or shaft and strut?
4) What  does it draw?
 
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See post #8 there's a copy of the profile and interior layout with basic specs

#41 Dorado

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 03:53 AM

Stunning Bob, beautifully proportioned.

When a Hinckley just won't do, Bob's your Uncle . . .




Uh, where's the rod holders ?

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 03:58 AM

Can you make me one w/a tiller and a SA/DSPL of at least 25?



#43 Kent H

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 04:45 AM

Hinckley needs to call KDH and get onboard. 

 

Hinckley by Perry seems to work extremely well! 

 

The Norwester 46

 

Of course this might just be a plot by Hinckley to get Bob to design a boat for them.....KDH who do you really work for?



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 04:46 AM

Freaking gorgeous. A bit of a stretched Cal 40. My personal reference would be for it to be a bit more "Q" like in the underbody, a true wolf in sheep's clothing. Love it.

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 04:47 AM

Hinckley needs to call KDH and get onboard. 

 

Hinckley by Perry seems to work extremely well! 

 

The Norwester 46

 

Of course this might just be a plot by Hinckley to get Bob to design a boat for them.....KDH who do you really work for?

Ya, I like that. It's got legs.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 10:12 AM

Another question...having seen Hetairos up close, why not go for a plumb bow, like Bluenose? Was it a consideration for the ground tackle...i.e. I don't want to beat up the topsides?

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:06 PM

Srings:

I didn't want a plumb bow for sever al  Right, I wanted some overhang to help with the ground tackle.

 

Lee:

Yes I can. Easy.

 

Raked:

That's the way I do my rudders. For now that rudder is what we call a "place holder" while we work on other things. I will revisit it several times during the design process.

 

Shizzer:

Go to Cursing Anerchy and read the thread. the asnwers to you questions are there. The hull will be cored and not with balsa. Draft is 6'.

 

Tranquer:

I lived with a sail drive for 15 years with no corrosion problems and my boat sat in a "hot" marina.

 

Many thanks for all the kind words. Gee whizz, even Vyes-Marie likes it. I'm honored.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:35 PM

Some of Jody's work from late last night.

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:45 PM

Look at the 3rd and 5th render. To my eye the extent to which the aft supports on the bow pulpit are cocked-forward says, "give me more bow overhang!" But that's just me.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:50 PM

The client speaks with a thunderous voice!

 

We will work on the bow pulpit today and get it so it looks perfect to your eye.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:51 PM

Fucking sweet boat Maestro!

Carry on!

 

 

+1

Looks like a very high "row away factor"

 

FB- Doug



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 01:11 PM

Stunning Bob, beautifully proportioned.

When a Hinckley just won't do, Bob's your Uncle . . .




Uh, where's the rod holders ?

 

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 01:17 PM

Great looking boat, and I agree with an earlier post that this would be a much better logical evolution of the sou'wester than what they are currently going for up at Hinckley. Any ideas on who is going to build it?

By the way... Plenty of pink pants up in Maine. A somewhat different variety than what is found out on Nantucket these days, but one only has to spend a few minutes in Northeast Harbor to see that this unfortunate tradition is alive and well downeast.

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 02:04 PM

Great looking boat, and I agree with an earlier post that this would be a much better logical evolution of the sou'wester than what they are currently going for up at Hinckley. Any ideas on who is going to build it?

By the way... Plenty of pink pants up in Maine. A somewhat different variety than what is found out on Nantucket these days, but one only has to spend a few minutes in Northeast Harbor to see that this unfortunate tradition is alive and well downeast.

 

I suppose you're right Eli about the pants. Martha Stewart even has a pink driveway.



#55 Bob Perry

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 02:10 PM

Eli:

We don't have a builder yet. We are not quite ready to send out drawings and specs for a bid.



#56 Bob Perry

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 03:33 PM

Jody10_zpsa2776e7b.jpg

 

I'm learning to post bigger images. I think I have it.



#57 casc27

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 04:07 PM

Geeze, BP, that just looks like shit (some really cool shit): if I win the lottery can I have one, too?

 

The pic in post #8 says 25,000 lbs for the canoe body only. Is that really without the keel? (Stupid Q I'm sure but I have little experience with pretty, sexy cruising boats in that size and my curiosity, well, that's always getting me into trouble.)



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 04:27 PM

Eli:

We don't have a builder yet. We are not quite ready to send out drawings and specs for a bid.

 

  You should consider Tartan,  they could put it together in epoxy an bake her for a strong/light combo...

Also do an in house custom carbo rig.

 

  Do you have any sail plans done yet.  Rig looks forward, huge ass main, guessing  100-110 up front?



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 04:28 PM

Beautiful, Bob.

 

Does the eyebrow droop with respect to the cabintop as you move aft or is that an artifact of the perspective and "moonlight" illumination in the rendering?



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 05:06 PM

Hey Bob, what's the thought behind the winches on the mast - clear the deck? 



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 05:11 PM

27:

Yes, that displ. is just the canoe body. That keel is off another recent 45'er of mine and for now is just a "place holder" while we work on other elements of the design. We won;t finish the keel until, we have a completed weight study. Yes, you can have one too. You can have two if you hit Powerball.

 

Stream:

Thanks. No the eyebrow doesn't droop aft. But there is a subtle reverse spring to the edge of the cabin top. Eyebrow will go on excatly %$^&** below the tangent. Can't give all my secrets away.

 

KDHSailplanbig13-11-11-8x11_zpse1dbb2c8.

 

Rig is forward and designed for a big main. Due to the fucking bridge the clkient has to go under all the time I was restricted in height so I took the hounds up as far as possible only leaving a little room for the head of the asym.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 05:17 PM

When you come out for a test sail you will understand the reasoning.  At the top of Rhode Island you can either enjoy the Sakonett River or Mount Hope Bay it is a very nice cruising ground.  It's like taking a left turn to nowhere, cruising with no destination or one if you want it.

27:

Yes, that displ. is just the canoe body. That keel is off another recent 45'er of mine and for now is just a "place holder" while we work on other elements of the design. We won;t finish the keel until, we have a completed weight study. Yes, you can have one too. You can have two if you hit Powerball.

 

Stream:

Thanks. No the eyebrow doesn't droop aft. But there is a subtle reverse spring to the edge of the cabin top. Eyebrow will go on excatly %$^&** below the tangent. Can't give all my secrets away.

 

KDHSailplanbig13-11-11-8x11_zpse1dbb2c8.

 

Rig is forward and designed for a big main. Due to the fucking bridge the clkient has to go under all the time I was restricted in height so I took the hounds up as far as possible only leaving a little room for the head of the asym.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 05:17 PM

Strewn;Yes. Spin hal and jib hal will live on the mast. Less clutter on deck.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 05:19 PM

Sailman: I do understand the reasoning. The reason is the client requires it. That's good enough for me.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 05:20 PM

Bob,

Just stunning!

She will be a real dream to sail...

Best wishes,

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 06:17 PM

Bob,

 

Lovely, really lovely. I'll take one, but I'll need another 8' on a carbon mast. Keep the hounds where they are. Oh, and a 8' bulb keel & keep the displacement down to 25k total.

 

Now, where did I leave my checkbook?...



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 06:46 PM

Sailman: I do understand the reasoning. The reason is the client requires it. That's good enough for me.

 

The client is rich, tell him to buy the fucking bridge and dismantle it.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 06:48 PM

Slacker:

Perfect. That's initially about what I had before reality raised it's head.

 

Fall: Thanks. I hope so.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 06:49 PM

Now now Reverend.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 07:50 PM

Understood.  You missed my reference, I wanted to find a way to sneak this in (found it on a completely random search):

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=uOOA3aHGNuE

 

 

Sailman: I do understand the reasoning. The reason is the client requires it. That's good enough for me.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 08:56 PM

Bob - in your drawings, you show a light line in place of a sprit so that the asymm has a tack point in front of the boat and on CL....interior renderings don't show an internal sprit tube/etc. -- are you going to include an extendable sprit and setup for a furling asymm?

 

Challenge I've found trying to figure out a refit design on my existing boat for a furling asymm is that the sprit along sheerline results in a low tack for the asymm...makes it tough to see under.  If I raced (much) I would want the low sail area, but for cruiser I want better visibility.

 

WWing



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 08:59 PM

I like the shorter rig.

 

The main has that fuller look you see on the old CCA boats, and linked to the masthead rig it suits the style and origin of the boat.

 

And some parts of the globe have plenty of wind, not like the Northwest.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 09:01 PM

Sailman:

I'm not really receptive to obscure SPRINGFIELD RIFLE references these days. But it made me smile and remember. I do have the album. In fact kdh also has the album.

I am going to town tonight to do some playing with old friends. The RED CRANE on Aurora N.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 09:09 PM

Wing:

That's because you are looking at the port inboard profile drawn when the pole was to starboard. We moved it to port later thinking the cabinetry to port was more suited to hiding the pole.

If we do end up going with the sprit the vertical angle wil be determnined by what it takes to keep it in the cabinetry.

 

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 09:11 PM

It was just something that ticked my memory, I had remembered a reference to you playing in that band.  I was actually doing a search on the actual rifle and that video came up.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 09:16 PM

One comment Bob on putting the halyards on the mast to keep the deck clean --- single best thing I did in a recent refit was to add an electric halyard winch (Harken Unipower - single speed with the motor (mostly) in the drum) --- really makes it easy to short hand, esp since I'm getting old and hauling up the main and spin is a lot of work!  For the jib halyard, I put an Antal mast slider on the side of the mast for the jib halyard - the jib halyard exits the mast and dead-ends to a car on the Antal track.....keeps the big coil for the jib halyard in the lazarette all season instead of hanging on the side of the mast.  To lower the jib, I simply attach a long halyard tail.  If you are in Seattle, the boat is at Elliott Bay Marina in slip H-9 if you want to take a look.  Sorry I don't have a good pic handy.

 

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 09:17 PM

Is it possible to angle the point of the sprit and paint it the hull color, so it appears to sit flush with the hull when it is retracted?



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 09:43 PM

Whitey:

 

We spent some time going over the benefits of an protruding tube, an "outy" vs a flush tube, an "inny". We decided on an outy.

I don't mind the look. It looks like what it is. It looks like it doesn't belong on a cruising boat and that's excatly why I like it. With a very dark blue hull like we have I think it would almost dissapear. Due to our extensive accomodations, compared to a Farr 40 fir instance, there are joinery restrictions that come into bearing on how this pole is situated in the boat.

 

I like your idea on the jib ha, Will file that one away. Thanks for the tip.  You tension the stowed jib hal with the movable car?



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 09:55 PM

Whitey:

 

We spent some time going over the benefits of an protruding tube, an "outy" vs a flush tube, an "inny". We decided on an outy.

I don't mind the look. It looks like what it is. It looks like it doesn't belong on a cruising boat and that's excatly why I like it. With a very dark blue hull like we have I think it would almost dissapear. Due to our extensive accomodations, compared to a Farr 40 fir instance, there are joinery restrictions that come into bearing on how this pole is situated in the boat.

 

I like your idea on the jib ha, Will file that one away. Thanks for the tip.  You tension the stowed jib hal with the movable car?

 

I really like the whole design of the boat - it's really a standout among an excellent collection of designs that you've done.  Congrats.

 

Agree that the sprit as drawn will disappear against the hull and be a nice look....if kdh wants to go with a furling drum approach ala Karver/Facnor/Bamar to the asymm to make it super easy to launch/douse and jibe it might be a trick to figure out how the control lines will run.

 

re: Jib halyard -- exactly right - I have a 6' line with a spliced loop in the end - the loop drops onto a recessed hook on the car and leads to the winch....tension the line and the car moves along the track, which has angled stop holes so that the pin on the car click-click-clicks down the track until you get the tension you want.  Release and stow the 6' line and you're done.  To ease halyard tension, you tension the line, pull and rotate the pin 90deg and the pin retracts.  Very slick.  http://www.antal.it/...halyard-sliders

 

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 09:58 PM

White, we have a Leisure Furl so the main halyard is led to an electric cabin top winch.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 10:27 PM

Whitey:

We are looking into the Antal system for stowing the jib hal. WHL (Tim) was all over that by himself.. I'm the slow one in the group. It's a great idea.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 10:28 PM


Hook:
No problem. You are full of shit and I pay little attention to you. So,.,,no problem.

 
I coud haddley breethe i wase laffing so harde......


You and me both Snaggster.

Nice looking boat Robert.

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 10:28 PM

White, we have a Leisure Furl so the main halyard is led to an electric cabin top winch.

 

Yes, read that after I had posted, same config as your current boat.  I eliminated two Barient 32 self tailers on my cabin top by adding the electric - I had overhead challenges since I was doing a refit, which is what led me to the Harken with the motor inside the drum.  I have sheet stoppers on the mast for main, jib, spin (frac), and masthead halyards.  Electric winch serves all four.

 

WWing 



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 10:43 PM

Thanks No. 6. It seems it got a laugh out of Snaggy so that's all good.



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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:18 AM

I've always had a bit of a hard time relating over here away from the the civil CA. I'm going to just fele like a little girl being accepted by the popular group. For fun. 



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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:22 AM

I've always had a bit of a hard time relating over here away from the the civil CA. I'm going to just fele like a little girl being accepted by the popular group. For fun.

I am sure you will do fine. Works both ways, I don't feel accepted when I go to the CA side.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:40 AM

That Antal jib track had me utterly confused as to its practicality, until I remembered it is a cruising boat with furling headsails. Looks useful for the tropics, limiting the amount of rope in the UV



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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:46 AM

That Antal jib track had me utterly confused as to its practicality, until I remembered it is a cruising boat with furling headsails. Looks useful for the tropics, limiting the amount of rope in the UV

 

UV in the tropics, green growth here in the PNW :)

 

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 04:38 AM

If the majority of cruising is done with one all purpose headsail that's reefed and furled to put away, and hardly ever changed down to another jib, the Antal short track and car makes a lot sense.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:43 PM

If the majority of cruising is done with one all purpose headsail that's reefed and furled to put away, and hardly ever changed down to another jib, the Antal short track and car makes a lot sense.

 

On the sailplan you'll see a 115% and a 140%. The 115% is the all-purpose jib. In light air the lightweight 140% is used by dropping the smaller jib into a turtle bag and hoisting the bigger sail in the foil.



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Posted 13 November 2013 - 01:32 PM

Whitey:

We are looking into the Antal system for stowing the jib hal. WHL (Tim) was all over that by himself.. I'm the slow one in the group. It's a great idea.

 

A bit of thread drift, but can the halyard slider work with an internal halyard (with risk of losing the short tail inside the mast) or does it require an external halyard?  

 

I guess you could have the tapered eye pass through an exit plate but would you do that in practice?



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Posted 13 November 2013 - 01:36 PM

I like the drop down ladder on the stern.

 

Hey Bob, while you're tweaking stern geometries, does the deck where the ladder folds back in fit flush?  It would be cool to have a little recess so when you are pissing off the stern underway you have a secure zone when heeled and in chop.  Sounds like a weird request, but if it's kinda lumpy and you're heeled 20 degrees it's a pain to go below to the head because you can't get a secure handhold on deck to piss over the side.  Some boats have a good stern for that , and some boats you have to go below in the lump for fear of flipping overboard. 



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Posted 13 November 2013 - 02:12 PM

Tie a sailtie to the stern pulpit. Grip it like a bull rider at the rodeo.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 02:20 PM

bgytr:

Not sure what you mean but I'll study your suggestion. I never piss below. It's not sanitary. Yes, the portion of the board step that makes the step fits in flush with the deck when it is cloesd. Hopefully you won;t see anything but a small crack.

There is a tall toe rail, Hinckley style so that may provide the foor hold you are looking for. We will also have split backstays for extra hand holds.

 

I was putting theValiant to bed in the marina one day, fussing with things on deck. I turned around to see my 5 year old son standing in the stern pissing in the drink. It was the middle of the marina and the middle of the day. I sad, "Max! What are you doing?" Max said, "Dad,. you said always to piss off the stern."



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Posted 13 November 2013 - 02:48 PM

That's a good boy!



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Posted 13 November 2013 - 04:17 PM

Here's a rough rendering of last night's work from Jody.

 

 

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 09:13 PM

Whitey:

We are looking into the Antal system for stowing the jib hal. WHL (Tim) was all over that by himself.. I'm the slow one in the group. It's a great idea.

 

A bit of thread drift, but can the halyard slider work with an internal halyard (with risk of losing the short tail inside the mast) or does it require an external halyard?  

 

I guess you could have the tapered eye pass through an exit plate but would you do that in practice?

 

My setup is for an internal halyard --- the halyard has a loop in the end (for the Antal car) and I attach a long tail when raising/lowering the jib -- for me, that's once in March and once in November.  The mast exit has to be a bit oversized than what you would normally spec but works just fine.  

 

kdh says the boat is designed with a 110% and a 140% --- I fly a 110% now and hope to trade up to a 135% that I can roll to furl --- my goal is not to have an extra jib on the boat since I'm cruising the boat and I value the space down below more highly than having two jib sizes.  (offshore I would carry a storm jib and storm trysail and sacrifice the space below).  I'm not sure kdh needs to have two jibs - but that's up to him.

 

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 09:49 PM

If the majority of cruising is done with one all purpose headsail that's reefed and furled to put away, and hardly ever changed down to another jib, the Antal short track and car makes a lot sense.

 
On the sailplan you'll see a 115% and a 140%. The 115% is the all-purpose jib. In light air the lightweight 140% is used by dropping the smaller jib into a turtle bag and hoisting the bigger sail in the foil.

Yes. I was commenting in general for those cruisers that have one headsail and hardly ever change headsails. Your mast has been drawn with mast mounted clutches and halyard winches which is easier for more frequent sail changes than the Antal system that needs a retrieving line attached to the loop on the tail end of the halyard, before the halyard can be lowered.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 09:52 PM

White, I find that on my boat any headsail bigger than a 115 to be all-purpose has a heavy cloth weight that makes it impossible to set well in light air. That 140 is a light cloth sail for pointing in light air.

 

Sorry WHL I thought you were suggesting it for my boat.



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Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:55 AM

Working out some small details. Jody Culbertson III is the 3D guy. They don't get any better than Jody.

 

I just love this view of the boat.

 

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This view is pretty good too,

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