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#1 Heavy Metal

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 11:12 PM

This should possibly go in PA, but i dont dare enter that festering pit, however I just spotted this online this morning and was appalled

 

 

An American TV presenter is facing an outraged public backlash after she posted a picture of herself posing next to a dead lion she had apparently shot and killed.

Melissa Bachman tweeted the picture of her smiling alongside the animal with the message: "An incredible day hunting in South Africa! Stalked inside 60 yards on this beautiful male lion ... what a hunt!"

The picture was also added to Facebook as part of an album called "Africa 2013", which included images of her next to a dead zebra and a variety of shot antelope, as well as the lion, following a trip to the Maroi Conservancy hunting park.

 

Full story here

 

http://www.nzherald....jectid=11158891

 

 

 

Personally, I cant for-the-life-of-me understand why you would get kicks from shooting wildlife like this, and the fact that this is for a reality TV show that people watch disturbs me greatly

 

 

Animals pests such as raccoons, rabbits, ferrets etc, no problem.

 

 

Animals for food, no problem with that either

 

 

But killing wildlife such as this for fun makes me sick to the stomach!

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 11:17 PM

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 11:18 PM

After checking it out she belongs in the hottest women thread.

 

Settle down, sport hunting has and will be going on forever. The fact that a hot woman is involved gets everybodies panties in a bunch.



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Posted 17 November 2013 - 11:26 PM

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What an awesome shot. 

 

Love it. 



#5 Sean

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 11:30 PM

I don't get it. I don't understand how people can feel happy and proud about killing for fun. Would you kill your dog for kicks?

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 11:44 PM

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 12:03 AM

I don't get it. I don't understand ….

 

So why don't you appreciate other people's choice?

 

You're not against "Choice" are you? 

 

Or people being "Different"? Are you? 



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 12:14 AM

will be going on forever

 

err, actually, there's some African game it won't be going on much longer for at all. the trouble which much "sport hunting" like much extraction is the current price is too cheap; burt everythings predicated on it being cheap



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 12:17 AM

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Even children are getting in on the action.  Disgusting !!

 

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 12:40 AM


will be going on forever

 
err, actually, there's some African game it won't be going on much longer for at all. the trouble which much "sport hunting" like much extraction is the current price is too cheap; burt everythings predicated on it being cheap




Of course. 'Cuz every fuking third grader with a modicum of knowledge of animal husbandry knows that more money equals more lion sperm.

Idiot....

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 12:42 AM

I don't get it. I don't understand ….

 

So why don't you appreciate other people's choice?

 

You're not against "Choice" are you? 

 

Or people being "Different"? Are you? 

 

What about the choices of the rest of humanity whom would like to see these animals survive and flourish for generations to come?

 

Natural wildlife on this planet is in major decline, and its a disgrace on society that people still think its alright to go out and kill it for not good reason apart from satisfying their selfish ego.

 

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 12:42 AM

will be going on forever

 

err, actually, there's some African game it won't be going on much longer for at all. the trouble which much "sport hunting" like much extraction is the current price is too cheap; burt everythings predicated on it being cheap

 

Not due to sport hunters, in fact just the opposite.

 

Now poachers on the other hand are a different animal all together. There should be an open season on them.



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 12:46 AM


will be going on forever

 
err, actually, there's some African game it won't be going on much longer for at all. the trouble which much "sport hunting" like much extraction is the current price is too cheap; burt everythings predicated on it being cheap
 
Not due to sport hunters, in fact just the opposite.
 
Now poachers on the other hand are a different animal all together. There should be an open season on them.


Yups.....

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 12:46 AM

So...  some dickwad thinks she might be hunting "endangered species"? 

I understand "Post Turle" make a good appetizer :)



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 12:54 AM

I don't get it. I don't understand ….

 
So why don't you appreciate other people's choice?
 
You're not against "Choice" are you? 
 
Or people being "Different"? Are you? 

I have no idea what your point is. Should I assume you enjoy killing animals?

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 12:57 AM

Is what the woman has done illegal?

No it isn't - take your judgement to unicorn anarchy.

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 12:58 AM

Animals pests such as raccoons, rabbits, ferrets etc, no problem.

 

 

But killing wildlife such as this for fun makes me sick to the stomach!

 

 

So killing bunnies is OK when they inconvenience you?



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 01:01 AM

The only reason this is even a topic is because it involves a hot woman.

 

Nary a word  when it was just a bunch of dudes involved.

 

You guys have something against women sharing equally in hunting?



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 01:04 AM

The only reason this is even a topic is because it involves a hot woman.
 
Nary a word  when it was just a bunch of dudes involved.
 
You guys have something against women sharing equally in hunting?


They're called Vaginaists ........:lol:.....

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 01:08 AM

Nope, but when they are introduced and start decimating irreplaceable native flora and fauna due to spiraling uncontrolled population growth, I’m quite Ok with it.

 

Animals pests such as raccoons, rabbits, ferrets etc, no problem.

 

 

But killing wildlife such as this for fun makes me sick to the stomach!

 

 

So killing bunnies is OK when they inconvenience you?



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 01:13 AM

So how's that Sydney Zoo dodo breeding program working out?.....:lol:

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 02:01 AM

Is what the woman has done illegal?
No it isn't - take your judgement to unicorn anarchy.


I never said it was illegal. I said that I don't understand how a person can enjoy killing. You know, for the fun of it. I don't know, maybe it's just me.

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 02:13 AM

So how's that Sydney Zoo dodo breeding program working out?.....:lol:


We are waiting for you to come and breed with the female.

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 02:16 AM

So you don't 'understand' people who you disagree with politically correctly.

Sean, one of the things you should be teaching your school kids is that people have equally valid perspectives even when they're not saying the same things.

I hope you remember that and not transfer your own prejudices and political perspectives on those who are so vulnerable and impressionable.

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 02:23 AM

So how's that Sydney Zoo dodo breeding program working out?..... :lol:


We are waiting for you to come and breed with the female.

You coudente finde a youngere oune?



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 02:27 AM

I don't understand sport hunting. Heck I let spiders go outside when I find them in the house. But that doesn't make it wrong. It's wrong for me, in fact it's repugnant. But it's not immoral, illegal, unethical, it's different than me. So long as it's not endangered species I accept that people will enjoy things I don't. It's not wrong, it's different than me.

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 02:38 AM

thank you Point Break. I don't hunt either and haven't killed anything on purpose since 1983-84 - which was followed by ten years of being a veggy.

People make their own choices. It is called Liberty. I hope the PC crowd respects Liberty.

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 02:38 AM

Nope, but when they are introduced and start decimating irreplaceable native flora and fauna due to spiraling uncontrolled population growth, I’m quite Ok with it.

 

 

 

Animals pests such as raccoons, rabbits, ferrets etc, no problem.

 

 

But killing wildlife such as this for fun makes me sick to the stomach!

 

 

So killing bunnies is OK when they inconvenience you?

 

 Here's the deal in Africa, people need land too. We want the place to be our zoo, but in fact there are folks we would starve to death if that were to happen, and if you had an elephant in your back yard you would probably have some "issues" with it too, so here's what's going on:

 

   In order to preserve the wild parts, they HAVE to make money. If you refuse to accept that just quit reading right here. They have set aside large preserves and the hunters are carefully managed. It's amazing how far $10,000 goes in Africa. Keep a whole batch of people fed for a year. Without that money, all these animals we love to see on the Discovery Channel would be in deep doo-doo. Elephants, fer instance, kill a couple people a week on average, and tear the living shit out of orchards and farms about twice as often as that.  

 

 Want no hunting? Fine, but you are going to have to find another way to fund it, and they are going to need culling anyway.  



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 02:51 AM

Not due to sport hunters, in fact just the opposite.

 

Even without poaching there's plenty of unsustainable sport hunting in Africa or Asia; it's corrupt governments underpricing a good for a short term gain.Killing a black rhino for sport (as some dumbass in Tejas paid a million for a "permit") or some sheep in Kyrgyzstan at many $k makes it just as dead - and survival just that much more difficult for the whole.

 

In some perfect world, maybe. But humans are nasty stupid creatures.

 

Inserting politics, it's bizarre that many of the same who distrust government think government perfectly manages animal populations so that harvest quotas are good and accurate.



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 02:59 AM

thank you Point Break. I don't hunt either and haven't killed anything on purpose since 1983-84 - which was followed by ten years of being a veggy.
People make their own choices. It is called Liberty. I hope the PC crowd respects Liberty.


I know it's gonns be hard for some here to believe, but I haven't shot an animal since the 80's. Total dead? One huge Mexican jack rabbit (which I still feel bad abiuu) and a bucket full of quail----which I traded to the Mexican fishermen for some oysters and scallops.

Bad, bad Ricky.......

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 03:02 AM

So you don't 'understand' people who you disagree with politically correctly.
Sean, one of the things you should be teaching your school kids is that people have equally valid perspectives even when they're not saying the same things.
I hope you remember that and not transfer your own prejudices and political perspectives on those who are so vulnerable and impressionable.

Wtf? Nothing political about it. It's my own personal view, much like Point Break I think, although I note we solicited starkly different responses from you. And what's with the school kids thing? I'm not a teacher. My kids are grown, but i believe they feel the same as me on this and I'm glad of it. You are the one inserting politics in this discussion, not me.

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 03:04 AM



thank you Point Break. I don't hunt either and haven't killed anything on purpose since 1983-84 - which was followed by ten years of being a veggy.
People make their own choices. It is called Liberty. I hope the PC crowd respects Liberty.

I know it's gonns be hard for some here to believe, but I haven't shot an animal since the 80's. Total dead? One huge Mexican jack rabbit (which I still feel bad abiuu) and a bucket full of quail----which I traded to the Mexican fishermen for some oysters and scallops.

Bad, bad Ricky.......
I traded playboys and a buck knife quite successfully down at 7 sisters for lots and lots of seafood quite a number of years ago. Never tried dead birds.

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 03:04 AM

I hunted more when younger. Usually ate what I killed or gave meat to someone in group. Never had desire to go after top of food chain? That being said I am sure some of the fish I catch and release don't live too long after. I went sport fishing with kids and was bummed when large fish swallowed hook and couldn't be released. Kept some meat and gave rest to crew.

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 03:25 AM

Not due to sport hunters, in fact just the opposite.

 

Even without poaching there's plenty of unsustainable sport hunting in Africa or Asia; it's corrupt governments underpricing a good for a short term gain.Killing a black rhino for sport (as some dumbass in Tejas paid a million for a "permit") or some sheep in Kyrgyzstan at many $k makes it just as dead - and survival just that much more difficult for the whole.

 

In some perfect world, maybe. But humans are nasty stupid creatures.

 

Inserting politics, it's bizarre that many of the same who distrust government think government perfectly manages animal populations so that harvest quotas are good and accurate.

No argument there, but what does it have to do with Melissa Bachman.



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 11:22 PM

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She has well-rounded personalities..............

 

Without paid hunting, there isn't enough money to keep wildlife stock numbers up. Kill a few to conserve many.

 

Personally, shooting something you're not going to eat is a bit weird. Hopefully the nearest African village got the giraffe meat.



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 11:39 PM

You might want to read an explanation from someone who's been there -- and might just know what he's talking about.

 

Michael Bane:  Where Does the (Game) Meat Go?

 

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 11:50 PM

Yeah - seems much ado about nothing. If it's a legit game reserve - they money they make from the hunts actually keeps the reserve in existence.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 01:38 AM

:lol:  Could you not find a reference with a smidgen of unbiased credibility.

 

You might want to read an explanation from someone who's been there -- and might just know what he's talking about.

 

Michael Bane:  Where Does the (Game) Meat Go?

 

Mein Gott Snags, I like the cut of her jib. I feel like... saluting!



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 04:34 AM

:lol:  Could you not find a reference with a smidgen of unbiased credibility.

 

You might want to read an explanation from someone who's been there -- and might just know what he's talking about.

 

Michael Bane:  Where Does the (Game) Meat Go?

 

Mein Gott Snags, I like the cut of her jib. I feel like... saluting!

 

As long as the report is true (and I don't know that it is or isn't), then it shouldn't matter a lick if the one making the report is biased.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:40 PM

Michael Bane has a reputation for veracity and accuracy, as well as being an ardent supporter for the shooting sports, self defense and the 2nd Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms. That reputation cannot (or in reality, should not) be negated by a smear of "bias".

 

I'll believe Michael Bane over all the squishy, feeling-based, instant opinions.  



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:22 PM

After checking it out she belongs in the hottest women thread.
 
Settle down, sport hunting has and will be going on forever. The fact that a hot woman is involved gets everybodies panties in a bunch.



It's not a "sport" unless both sides know they're playing. :)

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:47 PM

 

:lol:  Could you not find a reference with a smidgen of unbiased credibility.

 

You might want to read an explanation from someone who's been there -- and might just know what he's talking about.

 

Michael Bane:  Where Does the (Game) Meat Go?

 

Mein Gott Snags, I like the cut of her jib. I feel like... saluting!

 

As long as the report is true (and I don't know that it is or isn't), then it shouldn't matter a lick if the one making the report is biased.

 

The OP is biased and probably considers any opposing argument biased.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:45 PM

Meh.  I cheer for the bull.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:14 PM

 
It's not a "sport" unless both sides know they're playing. :)

.

 

....what's the thrill in taking out a fricken giraffe? :mellow:



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:31 PM

Sorry, just don't get it. Does she eat lion? Grandstanding hunt. Did you get the typo?

 

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:34 PM

Meh.  I cheer for the bull.

I do too  ;-)  and the bear and the Killer Whale and the......



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:54 PM

Facebook 163000 hate her, 10000 think she is cool.

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...yeh,,,16.3% of finds her HOT as well :rolleyes:

 

...the other 83.7 things she should meet all those noble beings before she gets anywhere near the pearly-gates...

 

 

.........................and this time,,-they've- got the fricken guns <_<

 

 

 

 

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:15 PM

What is it about women named Bachman and the crazy?



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:25 PM

I don't think anyone who eats meat, has leather anything, or uses any other product derived from animals, has any position in judging what she does. Of course that won't stop anyone. I don't get it either, but it is not my money, my hunt, my decision, or any of my business. Have we become a total world of busybodies? If you have that much free time and excess cranial resources available, I would suggest instead focusing it on something that will actually benefit society. Plant a tree, feed an elderly neighbor, mentor a youth, you know.....  get a life.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:30 PM

 
It's not a "sport" unless both sides know they're playing. :)

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....what's the thrill in taking out a fricken giraffe? :mellow:

 I  if they are going to call it sport it should be more one design, either go kill the animal with your bare hands or if they are being bred in hunting reserves they should be armed and taught how to shoot back.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:40 PM

I hunt. As Ron White once said, eating meat killed by a sledge hammer isn't morally superior to hunting.

What is it about women named Bachman and the crazy?

As opposed to the Socialist community organizer running things now? How about the Bitch of Benghazi and all the liars who tried to tell us that this was due to a YouTube video and not about their failure to protect their people in spite of repeated requests. Or your AG and his gun running scheme? If you want to be appalled about killing, how about all of the innocent people killed in Mexico with guns supplied by your tax dollars. You can say take it to PA but you started it.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:42 PM



Hard for many non-hunters to realize, but the bulk of wildlife conservation efforts and habitat restoration has been led and funded by hunters.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:43 PM

Hunting is Saving Africa’s Wildlife

In a headline about the current state of wildlife in Africa, Conde Nast Traveler begrudgingly and sarcastically proclaimed, “Perhaps the best way to save wildlife in Africa is to kill it.”

It’s true, undeniably so. You could almost hear the Conde Nast editor’s fingernails screech across her keyboard as she was forced to acknowledge that, yes, African wildlife is thriving because of hunting.

The plain fact is that Africa is a developing continent with a largely rural population that must, for lack of an alternative, derive virtually all of its revenue from natural resources. According to the World Bank, 60 percent of the Sub-Saharan African population lives on less than $1 per day.

African governments have increasingly recognized wildlife as a precious natural resource that can be managed through sustained-utilization, which is to say, hunting.

Even more telling, some African countries have tried bans on hunting. There are two examples of this: Kenya and Tanzania. Tanzania closed hunting in 1973 and reopened it in 1978 after poaching reduced its elephant population by over half. Once hunting reopened, the elephant rebounded to a current population around 125,000.

In 1977 Kenya banned hunting and has never reopened it. The costs have been staggering. According to the African Conservation Foundation, 70 percent of Kenya’s wildlife outside national parks has been poached out. Kenya’s elephants fared even worse: between 1979 and 1989, the elephant population fell from 130,000 to 17,000.

Benefits Of Hunting
What does hunting provide? Two things: money and oversight. As we noted, rural Africans are poor and must eke a living from whatever means are most expeditious. Safari companies provide long-term employment to rural Africans. There are the immediate and obvious jobs, such as working in a hunting camp, but there are also anti-poaching teams, bridge and road building crews and game scouts who all derive a livelihood from hunting.

In Zimbabwe, hunting elephants alone generates $15 million a year, according to George Pangeti of the Zimbabwe Parks Department. And continent-wide, approximately $77 million will be generated from the 1,540 quota of hunted elephant set by the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) for 2010.

In the 2007 hunting season in South Africa, 16,394 foreign hunters spent $91 million, according to the South African Professional Hunters Association. The association estimates that 70,000 jobs are created by South Africa’s game-ranching industry.

In 2010, district councils in Tanzania will receive $600,000 as their share of hunting license revenues from the 2009 season, according to The Citizen, a newspaper in Dar es Salaam.

The monetary benefit of hunting flows to district councils in Zimbabwe through its much-heralded program called CAMPFIRE (Communal Areas Management Program for Indigenous Resources). Through CAMPFIRE, the actual local villages and communes benefit directly from the revenues generated by hunting licenses and trophy fees.

Also, safari operators have a vested interest in policing their areas to prevent commercial poaching. There are two kinds of poaching in Africa, meat-poaching, which is endemic to the culture and largely benign if kept under control, and then there is the commercial poaching conducted by organized criminal gangs for profit. These gangs focus on ivory and rhino horn, both of which are smuggled primarily to buyers in Asia and the Middle East.

Government agencies simply don’t have the resources to combat commercial poachers, and widespread corruption is simply a fact of life in Africa. In Kenya, Exhibit A in the case for hunting, systematic gangs of ivory poachers were once allegedly run by the president’s daughter!

When a private safari company comes into an area, it doesn’t take long for the operator to learn who the most notorious poachers are in his area. The operator then goes to the poacher’s village and recruits him to work for the safari company. The operator offers the poacher a job for more money than he can earn poaching.

When I was hunting elephant in Tanzania last year, our local guide was a poacher-turned-tracker named Benito. The trophy fee I paid to shoot an elephant went directly to his communal area, plus his village got all the meat. Men like Benito all over Africa have stopped poaching to become productive workers solely because of hunting.

Saved from the Brink
The rhinoceros is perhaps the best example of how hunting has saved a species from possible extinction. In 1895, the white rhino was actually thought to be extinct, but a group of 100 were found in KwaZulu-Natal in South Africa. Thanks to conservation efforts funded primarily from revenues from hunted trophies, today there are nearly 20,000 white rhino in Southern Africa.

The black rhino has recovered with the help of the same polices that saved the white rhino. In the 1960s, there were an estimated 70,000 black rhino in East Africa. By the 1990s, less than 2,500 remained. The Natal Parks Board stepped in and began a breeding program. Namibia did the same. The programs were so successful that by 2004 CITES actually granted five permits to hunt black rhino to each country.

The elephant is another excellent example of the benefits of hunting. CITES was formed in 1973 as African elephants were being hammered by commercial poachers for their ivory. The elephant population in Africa dropped from over 1 million in 1970 to at least 472,269 in 2006, according to the World Conservation Union. Most estimates say the actual elephant population in Africa is around 600,000 today.

In 1989, CITES banned commercial ivory sales yet allowed hunted trophies to be exported. Once the ivory trade was stifled, elephant populations in Tanzania, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Namibia and South Africa bounced back. The countries without growing elephant populations today are in unstable regions, such as the Congo, where poaching is still a problem.

Zimbabwe was down below 30,000 elephants in 1989, but today the population is about 110,000. CITES allows Zimbabwe 500 permits a year, or less than half of 1 percent of its population. Elephants reproduce at a rate of 4 to 5 percent a year. Because of the growth rate, Botswana has more than 130,000 elephants. Experts say its carrying capacity is 60,000. Botswana will be issued a quota of 400 elephant by CITES in 2010.

There are many other examples of how hunters have saved Africa’s wildlife, like the nyala, blesbok, black-faced impala and bontebok antelopes. But the bottom line is that African wildlife must pay its way in the modern world, and hunters provide that vital revenue. 



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:50 PM

Can hunting endangered animals save the species?

http://www.cbsnews.c...ch/?id=7396832n



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:58 PM

Hunting and conservation go hand in hand.

 

As On the hard pointed out, hunters have done more for animals than any animal rights group ever has....



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:59 PM

How fun is it to shoot a fucking giraffe?  Seriously.  It's not like they are stealthy.   Nor dangerous to people. 

 

Why doesn't she hunt windmills.  It would be about as sporting..



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:03 PM

How fun is it to shoot a fucking giraffe?  Seriously.  It's not like they are stealthy.   Nor dangerous to people. 

 

Why doesn't she hunt windmills.  It would be about as sporting..

Why do you give a shit?



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:08 PM

How fun is it to shoot a fucking giraffe?  Seriously.  It's not like they are stealthy.   Nor dangerous to people. 

 

Why doesn't she hunt windmills.  It would be about as sporting..

Why do you give a shit?

 

Just seems pathetic is all.  She seems nice.  And she's hot.  Seems like somebody should help her.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:15 PM

I'm pretty sure she doesn't need your help. But if you feel better about yourself thinking she needs your assistance, well keep thinking about it.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:20 PM

How fun is it to shoot a fucking giraffe?  Seriously.  It's not like they are stealthy.   Nor dangerous to people. 

 

Why doesn't she hunt windmills.  It would be about as sporting..

 

This whole site is dedicated to sailboat racing, a sport most folks consider an immense waste of money and resources and only slightly more interesting than watching grass grow. On top of that we slather the bottoms of our boats with poisons so that our boats can travel an extra 20 yards distance in the course of a couple hours. If any group could be considered to be residing in a glass house here it is us sailors. Nothing we do makes sense to the rest of the world, the least we can do is set an example of minding our own business.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:25 PM

I don't want to shoot an elephant........or a giraffe........or a lion

But if someone is willing to pour big bucks into that part of the world to have the privilege, then just make sure it's managed. And it IS being managed; well in most cases. Many PETA types would rather see herds of animals starve than have some of them killed under a game management program. That doesn't seem any more compassionate than shooting a giraffe, to me.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:28 PM

How fun is it to shoot a fucking giraffe?  Seriously.  It's not like they are stealthy.   Nor dangerous to people. 

 

Why doesn't she hunt windmills.  It would be about as sporting..

 

This whole site is dedicated to sailboat racing, a sport most folks consider an immense waste of money and resources and only slightly more interesting than watching grass grow. On top of that we slather the bottoms of our boats with poisons so that our boats can travel an extra 20 yards distance in the course of a couple hours. If any group could be considered to be residing in a glass house here it is us sailors. Nothing we do makes sense to the rest of the world, the least we can do is set an example of minding our own business.

 

I get it. The difference is, and this is key-- when I push off from the dock, I am prey and the ocean is predator. Same as when I was a climber and did stupid shit on ice and mountains.

 

I'm a volunteer EMT and a teacher.  I have a soft spot for those in need and helpless.  Just seems odd to blast defenseless, un stealthy shit (critters) with a high powered rifle.  Am I saying it's morally wrong?  No.  Am I outraged? No.    I'm just trying to understand the thrill. 

 

I know it's not thrilling to sit for hours in a tree stand to shoot a deer.  But at least you get to eat it. 



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:32 PM

I know it's not thrilling to sit for hours in a tree stand to shoot a deer.  But at least you get to eat it.

It's almost time to make my Venison Sausage and Seafood Gumbo for Christmas. Makes sitting in a smelly blind worthwhile

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:33 PM

 

How fun is it to shoot a fucking giraffe?  Seriously.  It's not like they are stealthy.   Nor dangerous to people. 

 

Why doesn't she hunt windmills.  It would be about as sporting..

 

This whole site is dedicated to sailboat racing, a sport most folks consider an immense waste of money and resources and only slightly more interesting than watching grass grow. On top of that we slather the bottoms of our boats with poisons so that our boats can travel an extra 20 yards distance in the course of a couple hours. If any group could be considered to be residing in a glass house here it is us sailors. Nothing we do makes sense to the rest of the world, the least we can do is set an example of minding our own business.

 

I get it. The difference is, and this is key-- when I push off from the dock, I am prey and the ocean is predator. Same as when I was a climber and did stupid shit on ice and mountains.

 

I'm a volunteer EMT and a teacher.  I have a soft spot for those in need and helpless.  Just seems odd to blast defenseless, un stealthy shit (critters) with a high powered rifle.  Am I saying it's morally wrong?  No.  Am I outraged? No.    I'm just trying to understand the thrill. 

 

I know it's not thrilling to sit for hours in a tree stand to shoot a deer.  But at least you get to eat it. 

And I'm sure you have tons of electronics and other specialized gear to minimize your risk.

 

Don't get the analogy.

 

Thrill is where/how you find it. There's lots of "sports" I don't get. But who am I to say?



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:34 PM

Speaking of sausage I just got a new LEM #22 grinder. Making salami tomorrow.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:49 PM

As opposed to the Socialist community organizer running things now? How about the Bitch of Benghazi and all the liars who tried to tell us that this was due to a YouTube video and not about their failure to protect their people in spite of repeated requests. Or your AG and his gun running scheme? If you want to be appalled about killing, how about all of the innocent people killed in Mexico with guns supplied by your tax dollars. You can say take it to PA but you started it.

My, my.  Aren't we touchy?  Good thing there isn't a gun around.

 

But, yeah, my bad.  Should have added a smiley. :P :D :lol: :rolleyes:



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:50 PM

Hard for many non-hunters to realize, but the bulk of wildlife conservation efforts and habitat restoration has been led and funded by hunters.

This is true.

 

Most people who do not hunt and especially those who are afraid of guns will never quite understand the importance of hunters.  The deer population in Alabama has exploded due to the efforts hunters make to provide food and habitat for deer.  Many other animals profit along the way. 

 

I have never been a "trophy hunter."  I do hunt though.  I and my family eat the game we harvest. Then there are coyotes, wild hogs, and other animals that are overpopulated, non-native, or are simply a danger to humans.

 

I am not a scary black rifle fan either.  But I do shoot and I build target rifles.

 

While I do not hunt for trophies, or shoot AK's AR's and the like I do understand that other people like these things.  They have a right to do so as long as they are not breaking laws and are not harming people.

 

Ultimately this boils down to exposure.  Those who live an urban lifestyle really do not understand the rural life style.  They are quick to call people hicks, or hillbillys yet they would not survive more than a day or so in the wilderness.  They are afraid of guns because the only use of guns they see involves crime.  They assume that they are all knowing and that everyone with a different view is wrong.  Then they claim to be inclusive and diverse.  Sad this.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:54 PM

 

How fun is it to shoot a fucking giraffe?  Seriously.  It's not like they are stealthy.   Nor dangerous to people. 

 

Why doesn't she hunt windmills.  It would be about as sporting..

 

This whole site is dedicated to sailboat racing, a sport most folks consider an immense waste of money and resources and only slightly more interesting than watching grass grow. On top of that we slather the bottoms of our boats with poisons so that our boats can travel an extra 20 yards distance in the course of a couple hours. If any group could be considered to be residing in a glass house here it is us sailors. Nothing we do makes sense to the rest of the world, the least we can do is set an example of minding our own business.

 

I get it. The difference is, and this is key-- when I push off from the dock, I am prey and the ocean is predator. Same as when I was a climber and did stupid shit on ice and mountains.

 

I'm a volunteer EMT and a teacher.  I have a soft spot for those in need and helpless.  Just seems odd to blast defenseless, un stealthy shit (critters) with a high powered rifle.  Am I saying it's morally wrong?  No.  Am I outraged? No.    I'm just trying to understand the thrill. 

 

I know it's not thrilling to sit for hours in a tree stand to shoot a deer.  But at least you get to eat it. 

With big game there is the danger of death.  A pissed off elephant is a very dangerous animal. Same with most other animals that qualify as big game.  The same you faced with ice and rock, just these things bite back.  Get within thirty yards of a male lion in the wilderness and tell me you are not scared shitless.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 01:05 AM

 

How fun is it to shoot a fucking giraffe?  Seriously.  It's not like they are stealthy.   Nor dangerous to people. 

 

Why doesn't she hunt windmills.  It would be about as sporting..

 

This whole site is dedicated to sailboat racing, a sport most folks consider an immense waste of money and resources and only slightly more interesting than watching grass grow. On top of that we slather the bottoms of our boats with poisons so that our boats can travel an extra 20 yards distance in the course of a couple hours. If any group could be considered to be residing in a glass house here it is us sailors. Nothing we do makes sense to the rest of the world, the least we can do is set an example of minding our own business.

 

I get it. The difference is, and this is key-- when I push off from the dock, I am prey and the ocean is predator. Same as when I was a climber and did stupid shit on ice and mountains.

 

I'm a volunteer EMT and a teacher.  I have a soft spot for those in need and helpless.  Just seems odd to blast defenseless, un stealthy shit (critters) with a high powered rifle.  Am I saying it's morally wrong?  No.  Am I outraged? No.    I'm just trying to understand the thrill. 

 

I know it's not thrilling to sit for hours in a tree stand to shoot a deer.  But at least you get to eat it. 

 

I couldn't explain the enjoyment someone gets out of a giraffe or lion hunt. I never did it, and I suspect that much like sailboat racing, you would just have to try it to understand it, and then to decide if you liked it. Some things, like sex, defy description and demand experience in order to understand them.

 

fwiw, I am very new to hunting and may find boredom eventually, but I find sitting in a blind or stand to be very exciting. The woods which seem so dead when you first walk through them, really come alive when you have hidden yourself for a while. I have seen bobcats, a hawk taking a rabbit just a few yards in front of me while flying between dense old growth forest, numerous fox, a couple of the biggest pileated woodpeckers I have ever seen, had a great horned owl sitting just a few yards from me, and nearly got run over by a giant bear. I have yet to experience boredom out there, which is most definitely not what I expected when I started this thing. Oh, and the meat is the best I have ever had. Deer make the best anticuchos ever, anywhere, bar none.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 01:42 AM

Gotta admit I had to Google 'anticuchos'...are you using the heart?...usually ain't much of it left after a decent shoulder shot...

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 01:50 AM

Gotta admit I had to Google 'anticuchos'...are you using the heart?...usually ain't much of it left after a decent shoulder shot...

 

Yes, the heart. I had a perfect one recovered from the doe I took in archery. We only managed 4 skewers from it, but it is by far the best I have ever had, and I have tried many.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 02:00 AM

Those wacky Peruvians strike again .....

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 02:33 AM

 


will be going on forever

 
err, actually, there's some African game it won't be going on much longer for at all. the trouble which much "sport hunting" like much extraction is the current price is too cheap; burt everythings predicated on it being cheap




Of course. 'Cuz every fuking third grader with a modicum of knowledge of animal husbandry knows that more money equals more lion sperm.

Idiot....

 

Maybe not, but every high school kid with a modicum of knowledge knows that increasing the price reduces the demand.

Ignoramus.
 



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 02:36 AM

Is what the woman has done illegal?

No it isn't - take your judgement to unicorn anarchy.


This is your standard?  That it's not OK to criticize something unless it's illegal?



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 02:36 AM

Those wacky Peruvians strike again .....

 

They have some interesting recipes and most are delicious, I even love the sangrecita. The only thing I can't eat is the mondongo. Blech, I would rather chew on my shoe.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 02:41 AM

Ultimately this boils down to exposure.  Those who live an urban lifestyle really do not understand the rural life style.  They are quick to call people hicks, or hillbillys yet they would not survive more than a day or so in the wilderness.  They are afraid of guns because the only use of guns they see involves crime.  They assume that they are all knowing and that everyone with a different view is wrong.  Then they claim to be inclusive and diverse.  Sad this.

 

It'd be nice if there were more real hill-billies and hicks. It's mostly just tards who post on the interwebz (ever been to a local huntin' or fishin' board?), buy shit at Mal-Wart and like to drink bad beer and kill shit now.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 02:45 AM

I eat meat, have leather goods, and use other products derived from animals -- none of it, to my knowledge comes from wildlife obtained unsustainably.  Giving up the tuna was tough. I don't see it as problematic for people to criticize the behavior of others, insasmuch as that behavior affects all of us. Being a visible public figure, her behavior has indirect consequences beyond the immediate, direct effects.

 

I don't think anyone who eats meat, has leather anything, or uses any other product derived from animals, has any position in judging what she does. Of course that won't stop anyone. I don't get it either, but it is not my money, my hunt, my decision, or any of my business. Have we become a total world of busybodies? If you have that much free time and excess cranial resources available, I would suggest instead focusing it on something that will actually benefit society. Plant a tree, feed an elderly neighbor, mentor a youth, you know.....  get a life.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 02:46 AM


 



will be going on forever

 
err, actually, there's some African game it won't be going on much longer for at all. the trouble which much "sport hunting" like much extraction is the current price is too cheap; burt everythings predicated on it being cheap

Of course. 'Cuz every fuking third grader with a modicum of knowledge of animal husbandry knows that more money equals more lion sperm.
Idiot....
 
Maybe not, but every high school kid with a modicum of knowledge knows that increasing the price reduces the demand.
Ignoramus.
 


So the poor should not be able to enjoy nor participate in certain activities? 'Cuz they can't write a check for it/them? What an elitist fuking piece of shit you've turned out to be. Fuck you, Mario Antoinette. ...

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 02:47 AM

How fun is it to shoot a fucking giraffe?  Seriously.  It's not like they are stealthy.   Nor dangerous to people. 

 

Why doesn't she hunt windmills.  It would be about as sporting..

Why do you give a shit?

If your neighbor was kicking his dog and breaking its ribs, and you called him out on it, and I asked  "Why do you give a shit?" what would your answer be?



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 02:49 AM

 

 


 



will be going on forever

 
err, actually, there's some African game it won't be going on much longer for at all. the trouble which much "sport hunting" like much extraction is the current price is too cheap; burt everythings predicated on it being cheap

Of course. 'Cuz every fuking third grader with a modicum of knowledge of animal husbandry knows that more money equals more lion sperm.
Idiot....
 
Maybe not, but every high school kid with a modicum of knowledge knows that increasing the price reduces the demand.
Ignoramus.
 


So the poor should not be able to enjoy nor participate in certain activities? 'Cuz they can't write a check for it/them? What an elitist fuking piece of shit you've turned out to be. Fuck you, Mario Antoinette. ...


Rico, clumsily getting yer' booze-soaked boogers all over the bait does not improve the fishin' experience at all.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 02:56 AM

I eat meat, have leather goods, and use other products derived from animals -- none of it, to my knowledge comes from wildlife obtained unsustainably.  Giving up the tuna was tough. I don't see it as problematic for people to criticize the behavior of others, insasmuch as that behavior affects all of us. Being a visible public figure, her behavior has indirect consequences beyond the immediate, direct effects.

 

I don't think anyone who eats meat, has leather anything, or uses any other product derived from animals, has any position in judging what she does. Of course that won't stop anyone. I don't get it either, but it is not my money, my hunt, my decision, or any of my business. Have we become a total world of busybodies? If you have that much free time and excess cranial resources available, I would suggest instead focusing it on something that will actually benefit society. Plant a tree, feed an elderly neighbor, mentor a youth, you know.....  get a life.

 

What she is doing is not unsustainable, in fact the money coming in from a lot of these hunts is what provides the money and motivation to protect the habitat and allows the species to survive. Habitat loss tends to be a much greater threat to wildlife than licensed and managed hunting.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 03:08 AM

 

How fun is it to shoot a fucking giraffe?  Seriously.  It's not like they are stealthy.   Nor dangerous to people. 

 

Why doesn't she hunt windmills.  It would be about as sporting..

Why do you give a shit?

If your neighbor was kicking his dog and breaking its ribs, and you called him out on it, and I asked  "Why do you give a shit?" what would your answer be?

 

What does animal abuse have to do with hunting? You already admitted to having animals killed for your benefit, so it is not that you believe it is wrong to kill animals. Why is killing a giraffe like beating a puppy, but killing a cow is just fine? Crows are killed by the boatload just for being pests with no attempt to make use of them, and they are one of the smarter animals out there, capable of forming and using tools. Why no tears for them? Is it because Disney did not feature them in a positive light in their cartoons?



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 03:56 AM

The world was a perfect place-----'til Bambi discovered crack, hookers and multi hulls........

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 04:00 AM

 

 

How fun is it to shoot a fucking giraffe?  Seriously.  It's not like they are stealthy.   Nor dangerous to people. 

 

Why doesn't she hunt windmills.  It would be about as sporting..

Why do you give a shit?

If your neighbor was kicking his dog and breaking its ribs, and you called him out on it, and I asked  "Why do you give a shit?" what would your answer be?

 

What does animal abuse have to do with hunting? You already admitted to having animals killed for your benefit, so it is not that you believe it is wrong to kill animals. Why is killing a giraffe like beating a puppy, but killing a cow is just fine? Crows are killed by the boatload just for being pests with no attempt to make use of them, and they are one of the smarter animals out there, capable of forming and using tools. Why no tears for them? Is it because Disney did not feature them in a positive light in their cartoons?

I don't object to the killing of a lion per se. I object to glorifying and exalting the killing of a lion for sport.  I have no problem with my neighbor shooting crows.  If he started wearing dead crows around his neck and doing weird victory dances, It would bother me. I don't object to eating meat. I would object to the slaughterhouse from which my meat comes releasing a video in which the workers laughed about killing the animals and ridiculed the noises the animals made when they died.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 05:28 AM

I don't think anyone who eats meat, has leather anything, or uses any other product derived from animals, has any position in judging what she does.

 

I'm gonna disagree.  Cattle would not exist today were it not for the fact we find them tasty.

Aside from that, I don't kill animals for sheer sport.  I like animals.  Especially the yummy ones.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 08:49 AM

Hunting and conservation go hand in hand.

 

As On the hard pointed out, hunters have done more for animals than any animal rights group ever has....

 

  Tourist hunters in Africa, most definitely, but I don't think the woolly mammoths would agree. 

 

 The first thing that struck me when I was bopping around that part of the world is how much area it takes to maintain a viable wild habitat for the last remaining batches of mega-fauna on earth. There is no way we would tolerate that kind of reserve of good flat-land that gets any rain. 

 

 Here's a cool little tidbit of info on how big Africa really is. Our Mercator maps make the northern lats appear a lot bigger than they are. 

 

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 12:00 PM

I don't think anyone who eats meat, has leather anything, or uses any other product derived from animals, has any position in judging what she does.

 

I'm gonna disagree.  Cattle would not exist today were it not for the fact we find them tasty.

Aside from that, I don't kill animals for sheer sport.  I like animals.  Especially the yummy ones.

 

I am not saying that everyone who eats meat has to like what she does or should hunt themselves. I am just saying that in a free world, if you don't have a moral problem killing an animal in a way that benefits you, you should not have a moral problem with someone else killing an animal in a way that benefits them. In a free world, each of us gets to decide what things benefit us and how we use things. I have no use for trophies, I only make use of things I kill as food, but just because that is what I feel is an appropriate use for me, does not mean that someone who uses their kill primarily as decoration is bad. If valuing a kill as decoration was wrong then we should ban Coach bags and force women to use only synthetic materials for their handbags.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 12:04 PM

I don't object to the killing of a lion per se. I object to glorifying and exalting the killing of a lion for sport.  I have no problem with my neighbor shooting crows.  If he started wearing dead crows around his neck and doing weird victory dances, It would bother me. I don't object to eating meat. I would object to the slaughterhouse from which my meat comes releasing a video in which the workers laughed about killing the animals and ridiculed the noises the animals made when they died.

 

So as long as they don't enjoy themselves and don't tell anyone publicly about it, then it you are cool with it. They can do whatever they want, just don't shove it in our faces so we have to think about it, since it makes us uncomfortable. Are you sure that fits with the rest of your belief system, or is it possible there is a bit of inconsistency here?



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 12:20 PM

I don't object to the killing of a lion per se. I object to glorifying and exalting the killing of a lion for sport.  I have no problem with my neighbor shooting crows.  If he started wearing dead crows around his neck and doing weird victory dances, It would bother me. I don't object to eating meat. I would object to the slaughterhouse from which my meat comes releasing a video in which the workers laughed about killing the animals and ridiculed the noises the animals made when they died.

 

So as long as they don't enjoy themselves and don't tell anyone publicly about it, then it you are cool with it. They can do whatever they want, just don't shove it in our faces so we have to think about it, since it makes us uncomfortable. Are you sure that fits with the rest of your belief system, or is it possible there is a bit of inconsistency here?

 

Or how about this, don't seek out photos of people doing things you find offensive!

 

The OP somehow found the photo and thought it was offensive. Instead of deleting it he made a stink about it. 

 

People used to burn books they found offensive, I just don't read them.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 12:49 PM

Ultimately this boils down to exposure.  Those who live an urban lifestyle really do not understand the rural life style.  They are quick to call people hicks, or hillbillys yet they would not survive more than a day or so in the wilderness.  They are afraid of guns because the only use of guns they see involves crime.  They assume that they are all knowing and that everyone with a different view is wrong.  Then they claim to be inclusive and diverse.  Sad this.

The irony of making generalisations about others making generalisations doesn't occur to you?

I live in a rural area where people come and pay around US$1000 a day equivalent to shoot pheasant. Mostly, these are people with an "urban lifestyle" who can afford that kind of money.

I've friends who top up their income flushing our the birds ("beating") and providing gun dogs. They get paid for spending a day out in the woods with their dogs, which is what they like to do anyway. Sounds good to me. The woods have economic value because of shooting. Otherwise they'd have been cut down to provide farmland. Woodland provides habitat for wildlife. That also sounds good to me.

Pheasant are very pretty, very stupid birds which are easy for the semi-skilled to shoot. They are also good eating if you don't mind the odd pellet. Generally the shoots kill more birds than they know what to do with and most of us around here eat cheap or free pheasant in the shooting season. Since there isn't much demand for meat that may contain shot, some shoots dig pits into which excess pheasant are dumped.

Which brings us back to the point. I don't approve of killing animals for amusement and I don't share the reluctance of some here to call it immoral. On the other hand killing it and eating it is what carnivores like us do and a pheasant has a better life than a battery chicken.

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 01:04 PM

Crows are killed by the boatload just for being pests with no attempt to make use of them, and they are one of the smarter animals out there, capable of forming and using tools. Why no tears for them?

Actually it sickens me when our local colonies of rooks are attacked by shooting parties, as sometimes happens, often illegally, and I'm certainly not the only person who feels that way.

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 01:11 PM

Most people who do not hunt and especially those who are afraid of guns will never quite understand the importance of hunters.  The deer population in Alabama has exploded due to the efforts hunters make to provide food and habitat for deer.  Many other animals profit along the way.

Are you sure about that? Deer numbers in Scotland have increased dramatically because they are protected for hunting and because all their natural predators have been exterminated. The deer eat saplings which prevents natural forest regenerating. This is decidedly not positive for other wildlife. Whether it's the same in Alabama, I have no idea.

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 04:59 PM

Most people who do not hunt and especially those who are afraid of guns will never quite understand the importance of hunters.  The deer population in Alabama has exploded due to the efforts hunters make to provide food and habitat for deer.  Many other animals profit along the way.

Are you sure about that? Deer numbers in Scotland have increased dramatically because they are protected for hunting and because all their natural predators have been exterminated. The deer eat saplings which prevents natural forest regenerating. This is decidedly not positive for other wildlife. Whether it's the same in Alabama, I have no idea.

Here in the precious liberal suburbs, our town ordinances prohibit discharging any firearm within 500' of any home without permission from the owner.  Since most of us are on 100' or 200' frontages, that means most of the town.  Any hunters in our community most likely pursue their sport elsewhere.   Yet we are overrun by the critters.  Just the other night, I stepped out onto the patio and found myself eyeball-to-eyeball with a buck.  Bugger couldn't have been more than 20 feet away.  The does march across our lawn in broad daylight, eat our hostas (unless we remember to spray), and occasionally leave a poop on the grass.  Probably also spread deer ticks.  Whatever.  We live in a wooded area, we gotta expect wildlife.

 

The reasons for our deer population explosion has nothing to do with hunting.  It's all about lack of predators, and all the deer food that we foolishly plant in our gardens. 

 

Not saying that all  those duck stamps and hunting license fees don't help preserve habitat.  Just that sometimes hunters overestimate their importance.

 

To be clear (and to preempt the inevitable charge for being a liberal elitist who doesn't get rural people):  I'm perfectly fine with responsible hunting.  I respect people who eat what they legally kill.  Not something that I happen to enjoy doing, but to each his own.  I do draw a line between predation and thrill-killing.  Especially of threatened and endangered species.   I won't say that this Melissa Bachman person is evil, or a serial killing of exotic wildlife equates to serial killing of humans.  But I do gotta say that I find her obsession to be morbid and warped and wouldn't care to meet her.  But enough about me.

 

BTW, that gumbo sounds damn good.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 05:50 PM

The funny thing is, that if this were a thread about some African tribe wiping out another African tribe, it'd have about 4 responses.  maybe.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:02 PM

The funny thing is, that if this were a thread about some African tribe wiping out another African tribe, it'd have about 4 responses.  maybe.

The funny thing is, that if this were a thread about some African tribe wiping out another African tribe, it'd have about 4 responses.  maybe.



Kenyan just imagine?......

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:11 PM


Most people who do not hunt and especially those who are afraid of guns will never quite understand the importance of hunters.  The deer population in Alabama has exploded due to the efforts hunters make to provide food and habitat for deer.  Many other animals profit along the way.

Are you sure about that? Deer numbers in Scotland have increased dramatically because they are protected for hunting and because all their natural predators have been exterminated. The deer eat saplings which prevents natural forest regenerating. This is decidedly not positive for other wildlife. Whether it's the same in Alabama, I have no idea.
You forgot to mention the damage they cause by leaping in front of cars!!
The Deer population has gone mad in the last few years, just a shame that most people aren't allowed to own rifles in the UK any more.(I'll take it to PA)

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:27 PM

 

 


 



will be going on forever

 
err, actually, there's some African game it won't be going on much longer for at all. the trouble which much "sport hunting" like much extraction is the current price is too cheap; burt everythings predicated on it being cheap

Of course. 'Cuz every fuking third grader with a modicum of knowledge of animal husbandry knows that more money equals more lion sperm.
Idiot....
 
Maybe not, but every high school kid with a modicum of knowledge knows that increasing the price reduces the demand.
Ignoramus.
 


So the poor should not be able to enjoy nor participate in certain activities? 'Cuz they can't write a check for it/them? What an elitist fuking piece of shit you've turned out to be. Fuck you, Mario Antoinette. ...

 

The populations of game won't support everyone hunting. So you have to apportion it someway, the "free market" seems better than most, no? Or are you turning So-cial-iste on us boothy?

 

I'd argue for very- rare species under high pressure, like Black Rhino, even a million dollar license isn't enough. 5-permits at $1 million, $5 million a year? Drop in the bucket.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:41 PM

So you're basiclly saying that the poor black Chicago gang-bangers will never get a chance to hunt big game in Africa? Wow, how very 'progressive' of you.... :lol:

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:56 PM

 they'll never own a J-Class either.

 

hunting - except for a few brief flourishes here and there - has never been democratic. Killing shit, sure, that's been democratized on occaison. Proper hunting? never.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 10:07 PM

I don't object to the killing of a lion per se. I object to glorifying and exalting the killing of a lion for sport.  I have no problem with my neighbor shooting crows.  If he started wearing dead crows around his neck and doing weird victory dances, It would bother me. I don't object to eating meat. I would object to the slaughterhouse from which my meat comes releasing a video in which the workers laughed about killing the animals and ridiculed the noises the animals made when they died.

 

So as long as they don't enjoy themselves and don't tell anyone publicly about it, then it you are cool with it. They can do whatever they want, just don't shove it in our faces so we have to think about it, since it makes us uncomfortable. Are you sure that fits with the rest of your belief system, or is it possible there is a bit of inconsistency here?


I really don't see the inconsistency.  Here's another (admittedly very loose) analogy.  Something unfortunate happens to someone you  really, really don't like -- let's say his kid gets killed by a drunk driver. You want to be happy about it?  No business of mine.  You want to rejoice in it? Also no business of mine.  But if you want to write a letter to the editor saying how happy you are about it,, and publish a YouTube video of yourself dancing at the gates of the cemetery where the kid is buried, then I feel entirely reasonable in publicly calling you on it, even though your actions are not illegal. 



So you're basiclly saying that the poor black Chicago gang-bangers will never get a chance to hunt big game in Africa? Wow, how very 'progressive' of you.... :lol:

 

You still don't know nuthin' about fishing.






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