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Posted 19 December 2013 - 01:04 AM

Slow news day, so
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HE has conquered Bass Strait three times during the Sydney to Hobart and now Phil Waugh wants to take his new passion into unchartered waters -- the America's Cup.
http://www.themercur...4-1226786335833

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 02:24 AM

Go for it, Phil. You're a big, strong lad. Might be a bit short though, for a main (primary) AC grinder.



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:56 PM

at http://mobile.news.c...0-1226787796272

SAILING legend and team boss Iain Murray said there is no reason a woman could not sail aboard Australia's boat at the next America's Cup challenger trials.

Murray, preparing for the Sydney to Hobart aboard the line honours favourite Wild Oats, said there will be positions aboard the still-to-be determined craft which will race the next America's Cup which will not require pure brute strength.
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Posted 20 December 2013 - 06:46 PM

Interesting. Last time I looked aboard the winning AC multihull, everybody except the skipper was on the pumps moving oil.



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Posted 21 December 2013 - 04:41 PM

Interesting. Last time I looked aboard the winning AC multihull, everybody except the skipper was on the pumps moving oil.

 

 

Helmswoman??...



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Posted 21 December 2013 - 06:25 PM

Interesting. Last time I looked aboard the winning AC multihull, everybody except the skipper was on the pumps moving oil.

 

 

Helmswoman??...

Possible, certainly.

 

But one good enough to beat JS doesn't immediately spring to mind.



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Posted 21 December 2013 - 06:32 PM

Vanessa Dudley??

 

http://www.radioaust...ht-race/1238180



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Posted 21 December 2013 - 06:55 PM

Vanessa Dudley??

 

http://www.radioaust...ht-race/1238180

Well, she has talent, but is hardly in the same league.



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 01:06 AM

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 01:09 AM

Speaking of women sailors, the SCA, VO65 girls don't seem to be holding back. Check this out:

 

 

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 02:00 PM

Speaking of women sailors, the SCA, VO65 girls don't seem to be holding back. Check this out:

 

 

Awesome!!  Thanks, mate!



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 02:20 PM

Is there any word of the AUS challenge signing anyone other than Murray?



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 04:00 PM

Interesting. Last time I looked aboard the winning AC multihull, everybody except the skipper was on the pumps moving oil.

 

All it wood take is for defender and CoR to agree to have stored power on board for the hydraulics. Something like a OD generator/pump package all teams would use.

 

6 crew would then be enough to sail the beasts and sailing skills would prevail over brute force. It would also make any nationality rule really relevant (no "foreign sailors/national grinders" kind of thing)



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Posted 23 December 2013 - 03:22 PM

From http://mobile.nytime...pw=&rref=sports

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With team budgets exceeding $100 million in the last Cup, cost-cutting remains the goal, and Murray said Coutts seemed genuinely committed to do so.

Its going to be real this time, Murray said. This is about people, numbers of people and what people get paid.

Tentative plans include reducing crews from 11 members to 9; reducing the size of the foiling catamarans from 72 feet to something in the low 60s, and approving the use of one-design wing sails and platforms, which would trim labor and development costs and leave the hulls and appendages as the primary innovation grounds.

You wont have 35 designers creating 200,000 hours of boat-building work, Murray said. Thats where the money is.

San Francisco remains the likely venue, and proposals to stage some of the preliminary phases of the challenger series in the countries of the challengers is apparently running into strong resistance in favor of one venue that teams and sponsors can focus on. A nationality rule is also being discussed. It would require established challengers to include a percentage of sailors from their own country in their crews. To encourage participation, however, teams from nations with little or no Cup history may be given fewer nationality restrictions.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 06:37 PM

From http://mobile.nytime...pw=&rref=sports

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With team budgets exceeding $100 million in the last Cup, cost-cutting remains the goal, and Murray said Coutts seemed genuinely committed to do so.

Its going to be real this time, Murray said. This is about people, numbers of people and what people get paid.

Tentative plans include reducing crews from 11 members to 9; reducing the size of the foiling catamarans from 72 feet to something in the low 60s, and approving the use of one-design wing sails and platforms, which would trim labor and development costs and leave the hulls and appendages as the primary innovation grounds.

You wont have 35 designers creating 200,000 hours of boat-building work, Murray said. Thats where the money is.

San Francisco remains the likely venue, and proposals to stage some of the preliminary phases of the challenger series in the countries of the challengers is apparently running into strong resistance in favor of one venue that teams and sponsors can focus on. A nationality rule is also being discussed. It would require established challengers to include a percentage of sailors from their own country in their crews. To encourage participation, however, teams from nations with little or no Cup history may be given fewer nationality restrictions.

So it's not really a nationality rule then?



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Posted 23 December 2013 - 07:32 PM

Well if the wing / sail platform is one design and the hull and foils are left for development, it really will make the next cup all about the foils.  I would think minimal expense will go into the hull shape as once the hull is up and out of the water it won't matter too much what it looks like.  we will be looking at hulls that are there just to keep it afloat when its not moving, and of course to hold it all together when things go wrong.  (put very simplistically of course)

 

I wonder how tight the rules will be around control of the foils, will they allow moth type control mechanisms?  or electronic stuff



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Posted 23 December 2013 - 07:43 PM

From http://mobile.nytime...pw=&rref=sports

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With team budgets exceeding $100 million in the last Cup, cost-cutting remains the goal, and Murray said Coutts seemed genuinely committed to do so.

Its going to be real this time, Murray said. This is about people, numbers of people and what people get paid.

Tentative plans include reducing crews from 11 members to 9; reducing the size of the foiling catamarans from 72 feet to something in the low 60s, and approving the use of one-design wing sails and platforms, which would trim labor and development costs and leave the hulls and appendages as the primary innovation grounds.

You wont have 35 designers creating 200,000 hours of boat-building work, Murray said. Thats where the money is.

San Francisco remains the likely venue, and proposals to stage some of the preliminary phases of the challenger series in the countries of the challengers is apparently running into strong resistance in favor of one venue that teams and sponsors can focus on. A nationality rule is also being discussed. It would require established challengers to include a percentage of sailors from their own country in their crews. To encourage participation, however, teams from nations with little or no Cup history may be given fewer nationality restrictions.

So it's not really a nationality rule then?

 

 

Almost makes it sound like its a rule for only challengers and not applicable to the defender!!??   I call BS on that, must be applicable to all teams equally, how could it not be?

From http://mobile.nytime...pw=&rref=sports

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With team budgets exceeding $100 million in the last Cup, cost-cutting remains the goal, and Murray said Coutts seemed genuinely committed to do so.

Its going to be real this time, Murray said. This is about people, numbers of people and what people get paid.

Tentative plans include reducing crews from 11 members to 9; reducing the size of the foiling catamarans from 72 feet to something in the low 60s, and approving the use of one-design wing sails and platforms, which would trim labor and development costs and leave the hulls and appendages as the primary innovation grounds.

You wont have 35 designers creating 200,000 hours of boat-building work, Murray said. Thats where the money is.

San Francisco remains the likely venue, and proposals to stage some of the preliminary phases of the challenger series in the countries of the challengers is apparently running into strong resistance in favor of one venue that teams and sponsors can focus on. A nationality rule is also being discussed. It would require established challengers to include a percentage of sailors from their own country in their crews. To encourage participation, however, teams from nations with little or no Cup history may be given fewer nationality restrictions.

So it's not really a nationality rule then?



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Posted 23 December 2013 - 11:58 PM

Coots, forget your shite nationality "clause", which is neither here nor there. Fire Spit, hire Ben. Either that or at least hold Spit's contract till its established Ben will have his own team.  



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 12:49 AM

It seems that Seve Jarvin will be in the team as a helm. He has been entered in the Extreme Sailing Series for this year and their press release states

 

GAC Pindar are one of the longest standing teams in the series, but will field a brand new team in 2014 as the Australian challengers for the America's Cup prepare to make their Stadium Racing debut, led by Seve Jarvin, who at 27 will be the youngest skipper of the fleet

 

For those who don't know Seve, he is the skipper of the 18' skiff "7" which is run by Iain Murray, so this really isn't much of a surprise. It will be interesting to see who Seve has on board. His foreward hand on the skiff is Sam Newton, who was with OR last time around. His sheet hand is Scott Babbage, perennial Moth class runner up (until this year's Aus nationals) and all round top crew, although it should be noted that Scott has a "real" job as well. I suspect there are one or 2 others from the 18 footers who might find their way into the team as well.

 

However, what is most strange is how low profile the AUS Challenger is remaining. I would have expected some decent pr effort if they are announcing somebody to skipper in something like the ESS, particularly as Seve has been flown to London for the launch of that series,



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:15 AM

It seems that Seve Jarvin will be in the team as a helm. He has been entered in the Extreme Sailing Series for this year and their press release states

 

 

GAC Pindar are one of the longest standing teams in the series, but will field a brand new team in 2014 as the Australian challengers for the America's Cup prepare to make their Stadium Racing debut, led by Seve Jarvin, who at 27 will be the youngest skipper of the fleet

 

For those who don't know Seve, he is the skipper of the 18' skiff "7" which is run by Iain Murray, so this really isn't much of a surprise. It will be interesting to see who Seve has on board. His foreward hand on the skiff is Sam Newton, who was with OR last time around. His sheet hand is Scott Babbage, perennial Moth class runner up (until this year's Aus nationals) and all round top crew, although it should be noted that Scott has a "real" job as well. I suspect there are one or 2 others from the 18 footers who might find their way into the team as well.

 

However, what is most strange is how low profile the AUS Challenger is remaining. I would have expected some decent pr effort if they are announcing somebody to skipper in something like the ESS, particularly as Seve has been flown to London for the launch of that series,

ffs simonn 

 

you were all defensive when I brought up the lack of consultation by ggyc - you defend ggyc like a spinray or sw soiler would -

 

you claimed ''you knew '' it  was happening - now your crying that that the so called challenger is low key ? wtf 

 

i murray is still under possible criminal charges for involuntary manslaughter on late Andrew Simpson death tragedy

 

as well is ggyc  officers / acea / acrm / isaf for illegal failures to apply and evade USCG MEP

 

btw I just received the 2nd part of the AC TRUST FOIA

 

I am not sure what your agenda is -never did - I appreciate your posts etc tho 

 

but FFS  you of all people here should show your concerns about Mr. Simpson and his untimely death

 

if you dont give a shit like you act - thats just pathetic -I expected more from you and your ''topper'' -- attitude   



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:33 AM

You are criticizing the expectations of others after continually making the biggest claims of anyone here and not delivering on anything, ever ?

 

The only thing you've figured out in four years is how to find the caps lock key :lol:

 

 

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:53 AM

Si, that AUS team is being sponsored by G Pindar; maybe that's why there's been no HIYC banter about it so far.

Didn't realize the link between Steve and IM, thanks.

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:56 AM

^ oops, have to take that back, HIYC is specifically mentioned: http://www.extremesa...r2#.Us4BgGS9Kc0

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 02:22 AM

It's not Steve. It is Seve, as in Seve Ballesteros. Besides the connection to IM, the Seve's father is Steve "Mothy" Jarvin, who sailed in the 2000 Olympics as well as past AC's. It's in the blood!



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 02:36 AM

What's even greater is Sydney will see a leg of the event.

Troy Tindall (crew for Team Aus) is also named on the GAC Pindar team. It's a good collaboration for GAC Pindar and HIYC I think. Let's them take on the management of a team that already has processes and people in place, instead of starting anew.



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 03:14 AM

It's not Steve. It is Seve, as in Seve Ballesteros. Besides the connection to IM, the Seve's father is Steve "Mothy" Jarvin, who sailed in the 2000 Olympics as well as past AC's. It's in the blood!

And Mothy sail on Oats with Iain Murray, so its a tight knit bunch.  Troy Tindall is Bob's Grandson-Inlaw 



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 05:51 AM

So the announcement from GACPindar not only confirms Seve and Troy, but also names Sam Newton and Ed Smyth in the team. Sam has sailed with Seve a lot on the 18, except when he was away working for OR. It's clear to me that IM is looking at a fairly young team, so it will be interesting to see what "old hands" are brought in. I wouldn't be surprised to see Andrew "Dog" Palfrey (Artemis 2013), IM's crew from the 2008 Olympics and ex coach for Seve and the boys on the 7 skiff. Another one to watch for would be Euan McNicol (not such an old hand!), who coached IM and Dog in the Star. He won the JJ with Seve crewing (and again without him), is an I14 world champ and has been campaigning a Nacra17 recently. He was also the coach for the Aus girls match racers who won silver in 2012. Other rumours that won't go away include Darren Bundock.



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 03:05 PM

Wrt Pindar and ESS, from http://www.independe...es-9047195.html
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Coaching the Pindar team will be their four-times world match racing tour champion Ian Williams.

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 04:33 PM

Will be really exciting to see Seve go up against Ainslie. Having watched the 18 foot skiff racing via the 18footers tv site I have been really impressed by Jarvin...

 

Hes only 27/28 I think so it would be a lot of pressure to go into an AC final in a AC72/6X.........but he is a proven winner.

 

I do not see Jarvin getting much/anything from Williams re sailing the boat.....tactics/strategy maybe. Probably just comes as part of the pindar package.



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 04:36 PM

If you watch the last event of the WMRT with williams helming the final makes for uncomfortable viewing....the young kiwi he was sailing against took williams apart...no other words for it....the kiwi sailed his boat brilliantly though and Williams couldn't get a decision...but then didn't give the judges many options.... 



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Posted 12 January 2014 - 12:46 AM

Is Matt Belcher only interested in another gold medal? I would have thought he'd be a chance to join the syndicate. Was on woxi for some harbor race.

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 12:53 AM

Before getting excited about Jarvin I would want to see him win some big OD regattas.  Skiffs are their own little world.



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Posted 12 January 2014 - 01:06 AM

Is Matt Belcher only interested in another gold medal? I would have thought he'd be a chance to join the syndicate. Was on woxi for some harbor race.


Matt Belcher said he was available for the Aussie AC team. I guess they've decided to try Seve Jarvin instead.

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 09:20 AM

Before getting excited about Jarvin I would want to see him win some big OD regattas.  Skiffs are their own little world.

 

... While the overall 3-Buoys Challenge was won by one of the flintstoners, just sayin'... :).

Looking forward to the AUS Champs that have started today.



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Posted 12 January 2014 - 01:04 PM

If you watch the last event of the WMRT with williams helming the final makes for uncomfortable viewing....the young kiwi he was sailing against took williams apart...no other words for it....the kiwi sailed his boat brilliantly though and Williams couldn't get a decision...but then didn't give the judges many options.... 

 

I liked the final day when they were rubbin' and crashing into the docks below the start line, using them to keep from getting hooked.

 

But, then again, it was just boring monohulls..................... :blink:



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:46 PM

Congrats Mat!  We have a skipper!

https://twitter.com/...Belcher </span>@BelcherMathew named skipper of Team Australia America's Cup challenger. Great news #ac35 #sailing #teamaustralia



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:51 PM

Iain Murray with Sandy Oatley announces @BelcherMathew as the skipper of @TeamAUS for AC 35. pic.twitter.com/76XZ2sSxzJ

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 11:18 PM

Team Australia Crew

Mat Belcher
Seve Jarvin 
Sam Newton 
Ed Smyth 
Troy Tindill 
David Gilmour 
Will McCarthy 
Wade Morgan

http://team-australi...rica-s-Cup.html



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 11:20 PM

He wins most events in 470, remains to see how he makes it on a multi



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 11:24 PM

I have had the chance to umpire David Gilmour on a few occasions and I am glad to see him on the team.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 11:50 PM

Punchy call to name Mat Belcher as skipper. There's no doubt he's a successful sailor in his class but he hasn't got a lot of apparent wind experience, although he did race a Moth briefly 6 years ago. In the 470's, I believe he has had a technological advantage over he fleet (as have the Aussies in general for the last few Olympic cycles) although you still have to be able to race to use it. Of all of the younger generation we have seen being selected to skipper, he really is the biggest gamble. It's laudable that they should select an Aussie, I wish the team well and I will be supporting them, but I am already uneasy.



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:11 AM

How many of the 8 are Aussies?

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:52 AM

Before getting excited about Jarvin I would want to see him win some big OD regattas.  Skiffs are their own little world.

 

... While the overall 3-Buoys Challenge was won by one of the flintstoners, just sayin'... :).

Looking forward to the AUS Champs that have started today.

If you take a look through the list of sailors in the 18's fleet you'd realise there's some solid talent from many other 'little worlds', like the Olympics, AC, Ocean racing, I14's and many other classes.  7's placings aren't shouldn't be taken for granted.. although I do agree they are specialists.  But you would have to be to win that.



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 01:04 AM

How many of the 8 are Aussies?

 

6 Aussies, 2 Kiwis



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 03:22 AM

Howie was able to hire Euan and piggyback on Trevor's development enough to make winning a 14 worlds look easy, but it was in his home waters and not that easy. It took him decades to win a 505 worlds. Is it easy to win in 18s, maybe try ask him. Are the 7 guys not up to international caliber? I wouldn't bet on it. One thing is their racing is more AC-like than the olympics.

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 10:46 PM

Here are photos from yesterday on the Harbour.  Sorry most of the AC ones are from a distance and there was a real haze yesterday.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 08:25 AM

So who thought it was appropriate to race two AC45s on Sydney Harbour during one of the biggest regattas Sydney holds? And to make it worse, sail straight towards around 30 yachts coming around a leeward mark - missing the one I was on by inches. Too busy looking at their wing to even see us.

 

I wonder if they had a current Aquatic Licence? Were they racing under the RRS? What would have been the ramifications if there had been a collision?

 

And I would still be saying this even if Oracle wasn't half a mile ahead of TA, both times we saw them.



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 11:51 AM

^ You need to speak to Iain Safety Murray!



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 01:58 PM

^^ Looks like plenty of room on Friday anyway...

 

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 02:03 PM

......

 

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 06:34 PM

So who thought it was appropriate to race two AC45s on Sydney Harbour during one of the biggest regattas Sydney holds? And to make it worse, sail straight towards around 30 yachts coming around a leeward mark - missing the one I was on by inches. Too busy looking at their wing to even see us.

 

I wonder if they had a current Aquatic Licence? Were they racing under the RRS? What would have been the ramifications if there had been a collision?

 

And I would still be saying this even if Oracle wasn't half a mile ahead of TA, both times we saw them.

So on TA having their 2nd outing you expect them to be instantly compeditive against the current two times AC Champs? (leaving out the them hooning the sideny regutter part)



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 07:25 PM

Lucky they weren't up all night!

 

Clearly didn't play much soft-ball at school - missed by a country mile!

 

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 08:15 PM


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Uh?? Since when does a paint job call for a re-christening?


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Smelled like paint thinner the previous time [Edit: if indeed this is the AC45 prototype, will somebody check the nameplate]

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 09:42 PM

+1, curious the hull number too so that we can use our decoder ring.

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 02:49 AM

Punchy call to name Mat Belcher as skipper. There's no doubt he's a successful sailor in his class but he hasn't got a lot of apparent wind experience, although he did race a Moth briefly 6 years ago. In the 470's, I believe he has had a technological advantage over he fleet (as have the Aussies in general for the last few Olympic cycles) although you still have to be able to race to use it. Of all of the younger generation we have seen being selected to skipper, he really is the biggest gamble. It's laudable that they should select an Aussie, I wish the team well and I will be supporting them, but I am already uneasy.

Punchy call that.  Care to elaborate?



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 10:16 AM

 Who's the noob sitting on the porch step?

 

......

 

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American Andrew Campbell is the newest recruit to join ORACLE TEAM USA and he is making his debut with the team during its training camp in Sydney Australia this week.

 

more... http://oracle-team-u...ew-recruit.html

 

He's the 25% ;)



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 10:30 AM

Gottalove that the USAsters have gone local and now accept downunder domination, posting in this thread...or is it to escape the relentless churning of apple pie insider exclusive goodness via spinray & soiler?



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 03:31 PM

This vid from the AC45 launch is new to me. IM talks starting at around 7 minutes in. Notably mentions that the DR is in final draft form, at 62', will be announced in the near term; venues for the 2015 ACWS are still tbd, some CSS racing may be held outside the US; the date of the Prot publication is currently being spoken about as March 16.



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 03:43 PM

Similar with IM, mostly repeats what he already said



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 07:15 PM

Has it been upgraded to a cheater boat or does only ORACLETEAMUSA get that spec? 



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 07:47 PM

Early corporate interest buoys Oatley bid for Americas Cup
John Stensholt - 10 Mar 2014 05:00:46
http://m.afr.com/p/l...u7oisyl5aty3vTN

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 11:49 PM

Funny....not once in the article does it mention teamoracleUSA nor that they cheated to win the last world super league of the world championship which was subsequently taken away from them when they were thrown out of the wslotw...

 

So, let's make them foilers to reduce costs and stop that pesky cheating, maybe step on a few more Extreme SS dates to further fuck them over and then merge the two, to make it the extreme world super league of the world......

All it would take is the trouser money in one of lazzas couches...  



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 03:58 AM

Funny....not once in the article does it mention teamoracleUSA nor that they cheated to win the last world super league of the world championship which was subsequently taken away from them when they were thrown out of the wslotw...

 

So, let's make them foilers to reduce costs and stop that pesky cheating, maybe step on a few more Extreme SS dates to further fuck them over and then merge the two, to make it the extreme world super league of the world......

All it would take is the trouser money in one of lazzas couches...  

 

The cheating " scandal " is being given the coverage it warranted and has only been clung to by a very few remaining diehards trying to still come to grips with their team giving up what is being called the biggest comeback in sports. 

 

Can't really blame them as some have apparently absolutely nothing else going on in their lives .

 

Good times :) 



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 04:19 AM

Funny....not once in the article does it mention teamoracleUSA nor that they cheated to win the last world super league of the world championship which was subsequently taken away from them when they were thrown out of the wslotw...
 
So, let's make them foilers to reduce costs and stop that pesky cheating, maybe step on a few more Extreme SS dates to further fuck them over and then merge the two, to make it the extreme world super league of the world......
All it would take is the trouser money in one of lazzas couches...  


Actually the ACWS wasn't taken away from Oracle Coutts raised his hand said they screwed up here's the trophy back.

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 08:42 PM

Only heard a few minutes, he sounds articulate enough.

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Interview: Mat Belcher

Posted Sun 9 Mar 2014, 12:43pm AEDT

Olympic gold medallist and world sailor of the year Australia's Mat Belcher talks to Grandstand's Karen Tighe about his selection as captain of the Team Australia challenge for the next America's Cup.

Karen Tighe

Source: ABC News | Duration: 8min 42sec

 

http://www.abc.net.a...6?section=sport



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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:23 PM

Punchy call to name Mat Belcher as skipper. There's no doubt he's a successful sailor in his class but he hasn't got a lot of apparent wind experience, although he did race a Moth briefly 6 years ago. In the 470's, I believe he has had a technological advantage over he fleet (as have the Aussies in general for the last few Olympic cycles) although you still have to be able to race to use it. Of all of the younger generation we have seen being selected to skipper, he really is the biggest gamble. It's laudable that they should select an Aussie, I wish the team well and I will be supporting them, but I am already uneasy.

Punchy call that.  Care to elaborate?

Are u still there SimonN?



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Posted 15 March 2014 - 10:21 PM

Thanks cosmicsedso, i think there are thousands of us wanting to know what that could be in a strict one design class lol, maybe gybeset has leaned on him not to reveal aussie worlds best secrets? :P



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Posted 16 March 2014 - 05:08 AM

I have an idea where he was going with that.

I just hope for his sake he doesn't.



I have an idea where he was going with that.

I just hope for his sake he doesn't.



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Posted 20 March 2014 - 05:48 AM

I doubt its as obvious as that ate.

I was surprised when he made that comment in the first place but am even more surprised with his silence.

For a man of many words he sure is quiet.



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Posted 20 March 2014 - 07:34 AM

Nothing sinister. I simply didn't see the comments because I don't come onto AC Anarchy very much any more. There is nothing illegal about anything the Australians have done regarding their 470's. Besides having the best 470 coach ever, they do have one perfectly legal technical advantage that many have tried to copy but nobody has succeeded in doing so.

 

BTW, the 470 is not a strict one design. Although termed "one design", it is actually what is referred to as measurement controlled. All the measurements have tolerances, some surprisingly big. In particular, masts, sails and foils are very varied and different. Olympic teams spend serious money in developing "stuff" in order to gain an advantage. There is class legal kit that the Australians use that nobody else can get hold of (I believe that the same is true of the Brits). This happens in many of the classes (although not Laser).

 

However, it doesn't matter how good your gear is, you still have to be able to get the boat around the course, something I certainly couldn't do and something Mat Belcher manages to do more than adequately!



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Posted 20 March 2014 - 08:23 AM

^

 

Yep. Same goes for the Finn class and previously for Stars and Europes, all of which are "one-design" but permit development and variation within limits and all of which have seen arms races at Olympic level to utilise that variation.



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Posted 20 March 2014 - 01:25 PM

So close but its an excellent 3rd place in Race 4 for #ESS skipper Seve & the team,their best finish of the week so far! #TeamAus #GACPindar

 
5:04 AM - 20 Mar 2014
 
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ESS not too hot on posting results...but after day 2
 
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Extreme Sailing Series: 

Act 2, Muscat results after 13 races:

1st - Alinghi - 89 points
2nd - The Wave, Muscat - 85 points
3rd - ETNZ - 82 points
4th - SAP Extreme Sailing Team - 77 points
5th - Groupama sailing team - 66 points
6th - J.P. Morgan BAR - 64 points
7th - Red Bull - 60 points
8th - Oman Air - 59 points
9th - Realteam - 58 points
10th - Gazprom Team Russia - 57 points
11th - GAC Pindar - 33 points

 

Plenty of AC teams/talent there



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Posted 20 March 2014 - 02:09 PM

So close but its an excellent 3rd place in Race 4 for #ESS skipper Seve & the team,their best finish of the week so far! #TeamAus #GACPindar

 
5:04 AM - 20 Mar 2014
 
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ESS not too hot on posting results...but after day 2
 
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Extreme Sailing Series: 

Act 2, Muscat results after 13 races:

1st - Alinghi - 89 points
2nd - The Wave, Muscat - 85 points
3rd - ETNZ - 82 points
4th - SAP Extreme Sailing Team - 77 points
5th - Groupama sailing team - 66 points
6th - J.P. Morgan BAR - 64 points
7th - Red Bull - 60 points
8th - Oman Air - 59 points
9th - Realteam - 58 points
10th - Gazprom Team Russia - 57 points
11th - GAC Pindar - 33 points

 

Plenty of AC teams/talent there

 

 

I gotta beleive Alinghi's arrogance and pride are begging to get back into the AC game from this. the ESS won't be enough for them



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Posted 20 March 2014 - 02:35 PM




 

H_r2FRpp_bigger.pngTeam Australia ‏@TeamAUS

So close but its an excellent 3rd place in Race 4 for #ESS skipper Seve & the team,their best finish of the week so far! #TeamAus #GACPindar
 

5:04 AM - 20 Mar 2014
 
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ESS not too hot on posting results...but after day 2
 
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Extreme Sailing Series: 
Act 2, Muscat results after 13 races:
1st - Alinghi - 89 points
2nd - The Wave, Muscat - 85 points
3rd - ETNZ - 82 points
4th - SAP Extreme Sailing Team - 77 points
5th - Groupama sailing team - 66 points
6th - J.P. Morgan BAR - 64 points
7th - Red Bull - 60 points
8th - Oman Air - 59 points
9th - Realteam - 58 points
10th - Gazprom Team Russia - 57 points
11th - GAC Pindar - 33 points
 
Plenty of AC teams/talent there

 
 
I gotta beleive Alinghi's arrogance and pride are begging to get back into the AC game from this. the ESS won't be enough for them

I would have had a bunch of respect for Ernie if he would have came right back at Larry and challenged but unfortunately he pussied-out.

maybe his ego will recover in time for ac35, but I doubt it.

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Posted 22 March 2014 - 02:01 PM

Looks like the 'Aussies' still have some catching up to do...

 

Oman..last again

 

http://www.extremesa...ies.com/results

http://ess40-2014.sa...boardGroupPanel

 

Onwards and upwards



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Posted 23 March 2014 - 08:31 PM

Just because...m270_crop169005_1280x720_13953747631EAB.

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Posted 23 March 2014 - 09:40 PM


ETNZ: Extreme Sailing Series Oman- A climactic last day
EmTeamNZ
After 28 races over four days, the final podium places came down to the last double points race. With it all on the line, Dean Barker and his crew had a huge fight on their hands all the way around the course, beating two of the 4 contenders but just finishing short of the Wave Muscat, in the end claiming second place overall in what was a very taxing regatta.



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Posted 24 March 2014 - 06:00 AM

Looks like the 'Aussies' still have some catching up to do...

 

Oman..last again

 

http://www.extremesa...ies.com/results

http://ess40-2014.sa...boardGroupPanel

 

Onwards and upwards

 

Well at least they can only improve from here.



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Posted 24 March 2014 - 07:59 PM

Looks like the 'Aussies' still have some catching up to do...

 

Oman..last again

 

http://www.extremesa...ies.com/results

http://ess40-2014.sa...boardGroupPanel

 

Onwards and upwards

 

Well at least they can only improve from here.

Interesting. GAC Pindar showed up well for a while in one or two races - but just seemed to make some poor calls and fade.

 

They managed a 2nd and a 3rd, so boat speed isn't an issue. They even tried Gilmore as a change of helm.

 

Early days.



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Posted 26 March 2014 - 10:45 AM

Nothing sinister. I simply didn't see the comments because I don't come onto AC Anarchy very much any more. There is nothing illegal about anything the Australians have done regarding their 470's. Besides having the best 470 coach ever, they do have one perfectly legal technical advantage that many have tried to copy but nobody has succeeded in doing so. Here we go. Another hint of a secret! Care to elaborate?

 

BTW, the 470 is not a strict one design. Although termed "one design", it is actually what is referred to as measurement controlled. All the measurements have tolerances, some surprisingly big. In particular, masts, sails and foils are very varied and different. Olympic teams spend serious money in developing "stuff" in order to gain an advantage. There is class legal kit that the Australians use that nobody else can get hold of (I believe that the same is true of the Brits). This happens in many of the classes (although not Laser). Anything that measures in is class legal. Doesn't matter which country uses it, or who made it or whatever.  I have often heard the claim that Mat gets a special boat from his father in law, that others just cant buy. That would be sheer lunacy for an internationally recognised commercial builder of racing yachts. It has also been proven to be untrue..

 

However, it doesn't matter how good your gear is, you still have to be able to get the boat around the course, something I certainly couldn't do and something Mat Belcher manages to do more than adequately!

At least there are two things we can agree on.

Mat is not exactly an 'overnight sensation' you know. He has been piloting 470's for over 14 years and was ISAF ranked Number 1 in Mens 470 in 2008. I'd be inclined to think that his success has come primarily with his experience at the highest levels of 470 racing over such a long time. Talent? I'm surprised SimonN that you didn't know what he achieved in a very brief sojourn into the foiling Moth world, or the multitude of top results in many other classes..

There is no doubt that Mat is the very best uncontracted AC sailor in AUS. Australia is fortunate to be able to call upon such home grown talent and this is a very, very good decision for AC 35. Not punchy at all!



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Posted 26 March 2014 - 10:39 PM

fwiw, from http://mobile.bloomb...s-paradise.html
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The family spent A$80 million building the yacht club, which has a saillike copper roof that bears some resemblance to the Sydney Opera House. My father wanted to be able to sit in his own yacht club on his own island drinking his own wine looking at his own boat, Sandy says, as we share a bottle of crisp, chilled 2012 Robert Oatley chardonnay and gaze out across the marina to nearby Dent Island, where the family has constructed a Peter Thomsondesigned golf course.
Although the Oatleys decline to disclose Hamiltons balance sheet, Sandy says the island operates profitably, with its resorts and 230-berth marina averaging 75 percent occupancy year-round. None of the familys competitors I spoke with disputes that claim. Bob Oatley is the one guy whos made a lot of money out of the islands, Orpheuss Morris says.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 05:43 AM

Tonights Mainsail program just did a nice piece om IM and his history with the Aussie 18 fleet. I never realized what a big part he played in the development of that class and what a big success the 7 boat was and apparently still is with his mentoring of the young team.



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Posted 13 April 2014 - 08:15 AM

But he still wasn't aboard the winning boat in '83, just sayin.



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Posted 13 April 2014 - 08:17 AM

But he still wasn't aboard the winning boat in '83, just sayin.

 

Ah, but he was aboard the losing boat in 1987, does that count?






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