.................sorry,,,after 3 years of dealing with all this crap--I've HAD IT,,,....on the 21st I was congratulating y'all on taking a brave new approach in communications,,and I took a step of removing some quotes of your comments,,,which I certainly now regret...................there's been so many times that you've taken my or other peoples best intentions and turned them into toxic crap--hell ,,it started when I joined the i550 world and you were fishing for dirt ,,and feeding my crap on the PDX group..........you can bet that from now on,,if you reply to an innocuous statement with your standard vitriol,,,I will quote it and lock your words in the thread it's in---it's time you actually consider what you've written before you click 'post',,'cause those words you print will remain!
...so here's a few 'lock-in's of your comments,,,,and although 'I've slept on it',,I feel it necessary to reply to some of what you've said.............some day you'll figure out that it's worth assuming or even pretending that people are actually trying to be positive and helpful,,,rather than turning things around!!!....
Sent Yesterday, 07:23 PM
First off we offered twice Let Bygones be Bygones. That offer still
stands...........Talk minus action = ZERO...you've said one thing,,done another for soo long,,you don't know which way is up!!
For a very long time,if we posted something like "the sky is Blue," 3
individuals would immediately pounce on us with the same talking points. Twisting& quoting us & everyone else over & over again. .....yes I've made the mortal sin of quoting you,,,and the misbegotten optimistic gesture of removing some of those quotes on the 21st---I'm not sure what it would take for me to do that again
We believed this to have been an
orchestrated attempt to kill our business by casting doubt on Tim's expertise &
the quality of our products......your 'business practices' and 'quality of product' speak for themselves in the volume of challenges people have had in their builds,and the words you write here.
Michael chided us forever that we had never built
this boat multiple times & then admitted on SailingX, that he had refurbished an i550, but never had built one himself. ...It's never been any kind of secret that I bought a boat and completely rebuilt it--there's been threads and pictures on both sites showing the process I went through rebuild
He has has been cruel, mean & nasty....'nasty' is when someone joins a class,,,and you send me letters suggesting what I should think of,,and how I should treat local fleet members--shall I post some of this toxicology?
BUT WE GIVE. You have almost destroyed our business, except now we have the HOPE of Geoff. It took so long to get through to our agreement because Geoff. along
with his wife Laurie, went through a horrible, rare bone Cancer scare (barely
mentioned by him online) & we prayed for them every day. We still do....yes,,I'm aware of Geoff's challenges there,,we had some dialogue on this early on--I wished him well and still do!....it's correct to assume that we -all- have health challenges as we age ...they're generally referred to as 'real life'
So, TRUCE. PAX. Water under the Bridge. We will not post anything negative unlesssomeone attacks us. But we will not be quiet.....How many times are you going to say this,,and act the opposite???---if you were actually acting this way then your response to ...''.hi folks,,,I'm liking the new approach of restraint,,,,as an act of faith in the i550's bright future,,I'm happy to have deleted a few of my posts from the bright future thread,,,,,particularly the ones where I'm holding quotes of others.''...might be a bit different
As said above, Watershed & Velocityhave an agreement that lays out shared duties. We will not shirk those duties
just because someone wants us to be quiet...the suggestion of being 'quiet' came with the suggestion that I fully support you selling plans,kits etc,,,and the associated advertorial comments you might make ,,such as you seemed to be doing on the 21st
As Geoff said online:
"I'm not quite sure what you know or what you think you know about the business
relationship, that myself (Velocity) and T&S (Watershed) have, but I can assure
you..no builders rights have been sold. What has transpired, is confidential
between myself and them."
And also from the same post:
"Perhaps there are a lot people that need to "be quiet " as you put it."
So let us go forward respectfully & in peace, because all this sniping at each
other hurts the boat on all fronts.....yes,it sure does 'hurt' the boat we all care about,,and as owners,builders,,and even re-builders,, ALL share a stake in
Woke up this a.m., being bannned from your personal conversation. We did not
get to read the responses because we had an internet outage. Then you call
us NUTZ, which we suppose includes Geoff of Velocity. Trouble is, like always. you left out your part of the post where you again told us to be quiet.
Same old same old. We offered peace, but do you really want it? By posting up our personal (and partial) conversation ... guess you do not.
.....peace?...I had made a positive ,supportive gesture---we've ALL wanted this thread cleaned up,,I did some of that--your response was ---MORE OF SAME--..........talk minus action=ZERO
......someday you might consider a deflection,,a simple offhand remark,,,,or focus on business at hand,,as a good way of making,keeping 'peace',,,,,,,you were doing that very well on the 21st,,,that's what precipitated my now regretted optimism
WTF? Do you know the definition of libel?
...here you go!....nothing wrong with quoting people!
....''a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation.''
Your apology would mean sweet shit all to me..hold me accountable because I agree with someone taking a new direction about leaving the past in the past. Give me a break....I hold you accountable for spewing the same rhetoric,,and not being careful to qualify those comments you made!
You have no vested interest in this boat and you are trying to make sure anyone that does, won't have one either, I'm not sure who you are trying to kid here....no vested interest!!??...anyone who owns,,has built,even re-built a boat needs to be accorded a bit of respect as to 'vested interest'...this might be something important for you to consider.
As I said before. Quit coming down on people who haven't built one, such as yourself, because its common knowledge you haven't built one and go build one yourself. The day you build one is the day you can call people out . your quick to point out what's wrong in your mind when one is being built, but you have never even attempted to build one, so how the hell would you even know. . .. You are the last person i would take build advice from. how many HOOTS have you built....my guess would be zero. you are all flash. Bull shit baffles brains. Your bullshit isn't going to stop me from moving ahead....... of course it's 'common knowledge' that I haven't built an i550,,,I posted threads on both site's as my boat transferred, traveled and sailed with me from california,,,as well as blog-threads and photo's documenting the re-build....the combination of having my boat alongside my extensive background** in building plywood sailboats has put me in a unique position to give valuable feedback on this 'to the plan',,'without intent' build,,,and how it compares to various i550 rules--I hope you take account of my,,and various blog comments on some of the issues people have,,or you very might come up with a boat that -doesn't-actually-measure- in- to the rules!!...not enough boats have been properly measured to see how widespread this issue is,,but it needs to be an area of concern!!!!
........**as for my background,,,I started building various plywood sailboats at age 12... sabot's,,mirror dinghy ,,optimist,,,,,and had no pappy to show me the way,,,which resulted in me developing an exceptional ability to problem solve,,,as well as an intimate view of various stitch'n glue and on-a-jig build methods.....I also have been involved in class organizations in various capacities since an early age,,,,,,,,and my ~8 years in finns schooled me well in the intricacies of boat measurement....('Lamboley'-anyone?!),,and spar testing
And just so we are crystal freaking clear. I may never sail one because of my cancer condition..yes,,I'm aware of your health challenges ,,we had some dialogue about this early on--I wished you well and still do!....it's correct to assume that we -all- have health challenges as we age--I'll not belabor you with listing mine!! ...they're generally referred to as 'real life' challenges,,we all have them as we age.
But a least I have the balls to build them at a great price to get more people out on the water sailing.....correct!!!,,,and I've been a supporter all along--both on and off these pages!!!
What have you done for the class or the boat. Other than shoot your mouth off about things you have zero clue about. Hacking up a boat and make it sound like you are a i550 miracle worker, doesn't fly with me.
I told you my patience has been worn down by you. And people need to know what kind of person you really are.
If this affects e and my business, so be it..but I sure as hell am not going to go into hiding because of you
It's time you STFU and build a boat..report back when you have some worthwhile news.
....yup,,and it'll be interesting to see how things unfold for you in the coming months....you'll be building a boat--with some concern from the current slate of owners as to how your product matches their home-builds,,,and a lot of energy and expense in an uncertain economic environment...I certainly don't envy you ,but I DO wish you well!!
....I'm sure the world will see''what kind of people we really are'' much more by what we do than what we say.