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#1 CharlieCobra

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 02:24 AM

I've been restoring wrecks best put out of their misery for years now.  I wanna build a new fucking boat for somebody.  Not rip rotten shit out and try to fix all of the original builder fuck ups.  

 

Any body need a boat built?

 

Charlie



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Posted 21 December 2013 - 02:30 AM

I want build a plywood boston whaler type power skiff for under 500 bucks. But I doubt that's gonna happen.

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 03:49 AM

I want build a plywood boston whaler type power skiff for under 500 bucks. But I doubt that's gonna happen.

Here ya go J

You can build this one for $500

But you should probably budget an extra 13-14 K for accessories.


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Posted 21 December 2013 - 04:18 AM

Charlie, we all want to build a boat, most of us would get 12-17 cents / hour for our effoert, your skill would get you$10.00-$15.00/hr(a guess, not an insult).  It's a rough world unless you find the perfect buyer.  Good luck!  :)



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Posted 21 December 2013 - 04:59 AM

Charlie, we all want to build a boat, most of us would get 12-17 cents / hour for our effoert, your skill would get you$10.00-$15.00/hr(a guess, not an insult).  It's a rough world unless you find the perfect buyer.  Good luck!  :)

 

 

Sounds about like what I get for fixing the damned things after the dust settles.  At least I could do it right the first time.  You wouldn't believe the shit we see.....  Floating house corner posts for fuck's sake, Really?



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Posted 21 December 2013 - 10:31 PM

Charlie, I'll have you build a 35' custom cold moulded Perry for me - just as soon as I get a few spare hundred $K.

 

Seriously - you and your boys do great looking work but I just ain't rich enough. :(



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 12:39 AM

I know that feeling.  We're fixing to do an infusion layup for the decks and house for that Mariner 31 we have completely torn apart.  Oughta be fun.

 

There's a tiny chance something will result from this thread in the future.



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 05:14 PM

I know that feeling.  We're fixing to do an infusion layup for the decks and house for that Mariner 31 we have completely torn apart.  Oughta be fun.

 

There's a tiny chance something will result from this thread in the future.

I'm building a J24 in suburban Beijing city, China, now.

Please see my thread on J/boat anarchy.



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Posted 22 December 2013 - 08:53 PM

This thread reminds me of the time I met Steve Rander (of Schooner Creek Boat Works). Returning from a sail I saw Rage tied up at the marina and walked over to ogle a bit. A guy pops up from below and we start chatting and I get an invite to come aboard and check the boat out. Turns out it was Steve who had just delivered Rage Down the coast prior to a Pac Cup. During our conversation I asked if there was any money in boat building. His reply was that there was no money in building but you could make a little money fixing boats. CC, you do great work. But as soon as I saw this thread that conversation with Steve popped into my head.



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Posted 23 December 2013 - 11:59 PM

I still think that with all the fix the car, fix the house, etc shows on TV that you should have one fixing boats Charlie. You could be the Mike Holmes of boat repairs. ;)



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Posted 24 December 2013 - 02:31 AM

I know that feeling.  We're fixing to do an infusion layup for the decks and house for that Mariner 31 we have completely torn apart.  Oughta be fun.

 

There's a tiny chance something will result from this thread in the future.

I'm building a J24 in suburban Beijing city, China, now.

Please see my thread on J/boat anarchy.

What on earth for?



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Posted 24 December 2013 - 07:07 AM

I still think that with all the fix the car, fix the house, etc shows on TV that you should have one fixing boats Charlie. You could be the Mike Holmes of boat repairs. ;)

 

+ a bunch! Get KCTS9 to do it.



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Posted 26 December 2013 - 05:23 PM

I still think that with all the fix the car, fix the house, etc shows on TV that you should have one fixing boats Charlie. You could be the Mike Holmes of boat repairs. ;)

He'll have to learn how to say "this is unacceptable" with a canuckistan accent



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Posted 26 December 2013 - 05:24 PM

 

I know that feeling.  We're fixing to do an infusion layup for the decks and house for that Mariner 31 we have completely torn apart.  Oughta be fun.

 

There's a tiny chance something will result from this thread in the future.

I'm building a J24 in suburban Beijing city, China, now.

Please see my thread on J/boat anarchy.

What on earth for?

eggzackley.. my first thought.



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Posted 26 December 2013 - 08:26 PM

I still think that with all the fix the car, fix the house, etc shows on TV that you should have one fixing boats Charlie. You could be the Mike Holmes of boat repairs. ;)

He'll have to learn how to say "this is unacceptable" with a canuckistan accent

 

As long as he doesn't say "for fucks sake" with an Amurrican accent it should be good to go.



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 03:14 AM

I've been restoring wrecks best put out of their misery for years now.  I wanna build a new fucking boat for somebody.  Not rip rotten shit out and try to fix all of the original builder fuck ups.  
 
Any body need a boat built?
 
Charlie

where are you located? Do you have cold mold uldb experience.. I'm talking about a remake of an oldy .. If interested contact me.

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 12:22 PM

FWIW. I knew I was not alone and so goofy. You might say my whole life has been making better out of old (boats).

 

Last year I decided to build something that is different...and novel...so after a long search for something that fit within my finances, etc. I decided to refurbish cast away hulls, (I know, not novel).

 

But, in this case, I decided to resurrect two Hobie hulls into a outrigger/proa rig, with carbon spars and maybe (down the road) foils on top and maybe even below.

 

LOA 20. Beam 8. 230 sq ft sail-powered proa/outrigger...

 

I know it is not a huge boat like a J24, but it serves the need and should be quite the boat...you might say it will end up being a modern version of the venerable Malibu Outrigger but with alternate power - the semi crab claw and a high aspect soft wing/sail combo...am about half way through...like I said, picky, creative crafting work...but not hard. And, I am saving some decent stuff from the landfill, plus, and so cheap, if one is not in a rush and does not mind refabing used parts, etc...

 

I have design pic on other computer, but not a biggie...much like White's "Tacking Proa" (Dragonfly-?), but un stayed semi-crab...like Seaman's MO, but not as wet and more comfy...



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 03:40 PM

I've been restoring wrecks best put out of their misery for years now.  I wanna build a new fucking boat for somebody.  Not rip rotten shit out and try to fix all of the original builder fuck ups.  
 
Any body need a boat built?
 
Charlie

where are you located? Do you have cold mold uldb experience.. I'm talking about a remake of an oldy .. If interested contact me.

 

I've done some cold mold repair experience.  We did a major refit and mods to an SC-50 a while back.



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 03:57 PM

Bet this is right up Gouvernail's keel line...:-]



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Posted 29 December 2013 - 02:52 PM

IMHO, if you want to sell a million dollars worth of boats, you will get more profit from selling 1 luxury yacht than from selling 1000 rowboats. Supply (boatbuilders) exceeds demand (people who want a handcrafted small boat).

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 03:21 PM

There's an easy way to find out. Build what you think you can sell (on spec) and then sell it.



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Posted 29 December 2013 - 04:48 PM

Jeezzuss - this place is a regular Harvard Business School. :rolleyes:



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Posted 29 December 2013 - 05:09 PM

IMHO, if you want to sell a million dollars worth of boats, you will get more profit from selling 1 luxury yacht than from selling 1000 rowboats. Supply (boatbuilders) exceeds demand (people who want a handcrafted small boat).

 

And you might just starve waiting or worse...been in both worlds and boats like guns and bullshit are only worth the current offer...one big headache or many...decent point.

 

SloopJonB...need a better example. I get what you mean, but Harvard BS has too many people stealing grades and money later...Fordham or Northwestern might be better, but what the hey...



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Posted 29 December 2013 - 06:26 PM

Hey CC,

 

I know that my advice is worth nothing, but here goes.  I consider myself an amateur woodworker (my specialty is making messes and sawdust!).  I have had a lot of fun building things from busted up boat parts.  What have I done?

 

- I have turned three 16' canoes into six individual shelves (cut canoe in half, stand on end, finish with trim and put in shelves)

- I have made a 3-shelf desk paper organizer from old hatchboards

- my wife has turned old sails into bags

- etc. 

 

 I have seen some terrific furniture (large chairs / couches) made from old motorboat transoms. 

 

Take a look at the junk that is around you in terms of old boats.  Go to some 'offbeat' type furniture stores.  Start building stuff. 

 

I have seriously considered starting a very small nautical-themed furniture business.  I think there is a market for unique, original pieces that are made from, or made to look like, boats and boat stuff.

 

For example, look at the stuff here:

 

http://www.am-living...0/smartlist_10/

 

and here:

 

http://www.am-living.../smartlist_127/

 

I wish you well in whatever you do.



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Posted 29 December 2013 - 06:30 PM

Hey CC,

 

I know that my advice is worth nothing, but here goes.  I consider myself an amateur woodworker (my specialty is making messes and sawdust!).  I have had a lot of fun building things from busted up boat parts.  What have I done?

 

- I have turned three 16' canoes into six individual shelves (cut canoe in half, stand on end, finish with trim and put in shelves)

- I have made a 3-shelf desk paper organizer from old hatchboards

- my wife has turned old sails into bags

- etc. 

 

 I have seen some terrific furniture (large chairs / couches) made from old motorboat transoms. 

 

Take a look at the junk that is around you in terms of old boats.  Go to some 'offbeat' type furniture stores.  Start building stuff. 

 

I have seriously considered starting a very small nautical-themed furniture business.  I think there is a market for unique, original pieces that are made from, or made to look like, boats and boat stuff.

 

For example, look at the stuff here:

 

http://www.am-living...0/smartlist_10/

 

and here:

 

http://www.am-living.../smartlist_127/

 

I wish you well in whatever you do.

+1...never toss anything...I love it...come up to iceland here and help me fashion a deck for the s'bord hull on proa...just kidding. In hand.



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Posted 29 December 2013 - 09:12 PM

IMHO, if you want to sell a million dollars worth of boats, you will get more profit from selling 1 luxury yacht than from selling 1000 rowboats. Supply (boatbuilders) exceeds demand (people who want a handcrafted small boat).

 


SloopJonB...need a better example. I get what you mean, but Harvard BS has too many people stealing grades and money later...Fordham or Northwestern might be better, but what the hey...

 

I totally agree - I used it more as a figure of speech than an example. IMO HBS and its philosophies has to take a big chunk of the blame for the current despicable state of corporate governance.



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Posted 29 December 2013 - 09:22 PM

Bingo! And voters...



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 02:11 AM

I've been restoring wrecks best put out of their misery for years now.  I wanna build a new fucking boat for somebody.  Not rip rotten shit out and try to fix all of the original builder fuck ups.  

 

Any body need a boat built?

 

Charlie

 

here you go Charlie

 



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 03:48 AM

I've been restoring wrecks best put out of their misery for years now.  I wanna build a new fucking boat for somebody.  Not rip rotten shit out and try to fix all of the original builder fuck ups.  

 

Any body need a boat built?

 

Charlie

 

here you go Charlie

 

great vid Dread.. thanks for puttin that up



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 09:17 AM

Thanks for video...I wonder how old...and if he is building today. It is -15 here at moment and he is not so far from here...if he is still with us. Guessing the Kuralt film was in 80s or early 90s.

 

Reminded me of video I saw called Buck...about the orig Horse Whisperer...very kewl.Bump and Dreaded. +1.

 

Worth another look, indeed.

 

Here is pic of boat retired teacher built from scratch in his back yard here in land-locked Winona...and took it to Florida to sail...he is in his 80s. What is amazing is he did from scratch, up atop the bluffs or flats in backyard, covered in plastic...and the attention to detail is nothing short of amazing, particularly around here.

 

Have to look him up.

 

I love wood, but ended up recycling the Hobie hulls for a Proa/outrigger version of the Malibu Outrigger.

 

Inspiring...

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 04:53 PM

I had a friend who built a 30' dbl ender in his back yard... 

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 05:23 PM

That boat is not only substantial, it is beautiful...thanks, Dreaded.



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 07:37 PM

Thanks for video...I wonder how old...and if he is building today. It is -15 here at moment and he is not so far from here...if he is still with us. Guessing the Kuralt film was in 80s or early 90s.

 

He's been gone for years now.



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 08:02 PM

Thanks. I wonder how it is I never brushed up against him? He worked and lived not all that far from here and I traveled that state for years and could have stopped often enough, no doubt.


Whomever sails his boats have timeless gems that deserve the best, of that there is no doubt.



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 08:14 PM

Id love to see a photo gallery of his creations.  Anyone have any links? Cant find anything from basic google searches.   Is his yard still operating or did it die with him?



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 08:17 PM

Key in Ferd Nimphius, Neshkoro, WI., USA. Neskoro is truly in the middle of nowhere dairyland WI...at least 2 hours from Lake Michigan.

 

I do not know about pictures, but lots of hits...I would think the Milwaukee or Port Washington Museums may have pics of his boats.



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 08:19 PM

That boat is not only substantial, it is beautiful...thanks, Dreaded.

 

 

best story about him, he built a peapod rowboat in his basement and then found he couldn't get it out... I'll have to ask his son how he finally got it out...   so later on he decided to build another peapod but figured, ha, I'll scale it down , so I don't have that problem again..   when he went to test it out, the center of gravity was so high, he kept flipping over



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 08:35 PM

Interesting. You have a wonderful guy who builds a boat, frames up, and...well, you know.

 

The gent (Thurman) who build the open double above was retired teacher and did not take it on until he was in his 80s. I have his number here and believe, if he is still sailing, he is in FL...but will call him again. He is an inspiration...cannot imagine his neighbors here dealing with the large "tent" he worked inside in his backyard...

 

When I met him, I was rolling by lake and saw his boat and went over to talk to him. Our water is not sailboat conducive. He was taking his first sail and could not start his newly tuned Honda 4-stroke and had to put it back on trailer...boat must have weight 5k lbs...so I helped him walk it round the dock and held it until he was able to position his trailer...amazing guy and boat, particularly here...like Ferd in Neshkoro, sort of out of place, but not...

 

Great stuff.



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 04:28 AM

My kind of guy.  Would love to land a commission to build a wooden schooner.



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 05:14 AM

You guys will like this:

 



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 10:00 AM

Yep. Thanks, JHC.






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