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#2801 bigrpowr

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Posted 18 December 2015 - 04:02 AM

 

 

Dropped in for a visit, not much has changed and certainly none for the better.
 
A comment on this project. Given perfect conditions it could blitz the record, most years it would not make Hobart, on a bad year people will die.
 
I know Volvo boats handle extreme weather but they always have the option to head down and change strategy.
 
Heading to Hobart, 50knots plus on the nose, Bass Straight no back to them 10+ meter waves with a cross sea at 3 meters. This is a death ship.

STH is not the race for this boat IMHO. Especially not as a shake down.



Just my 2c, flame away.

 
It's basically a big Open 60, Paps, designed to break transatlantic, transpacific, and even possibly a RTW record.  And perhaps most importantly, there was no JuanK involvement.
 
Do you think it should be able to handle a Hobart with those credentials?

So what changed your mind from last year?

 

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Posted 19 December 2015 - 12:07 AM

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Posted 22 December 2015 - 12:38 PM

Transatlantic Speed Record and a preview of whats to come for Comanche in the Hobart.! 

 



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Posted 22 December 2015 - 04:40 PM

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Posted 22 December 2015 - 08:19 PM

 

 

Dropped in for a visit, not much has changed and certainly none for the better.
 
A comment on this project. Given perfect conditions it could blitz the record, most years it would not make Hobart, on a bad year people will die.
 
I know Volvo boats handle extreme weather but they always have the option to head down and change strategy.
 
Heading to Hobart, 50knots plus on the nose, Bass Straight no back to them 10+ meter waves with a cross sea at 3 meters. This is a death ship.

STH is not the race for this boat IMHO. Especially not as a shake down.



Just my 2c, flame away.

 
It's basically a big Open 60, Paps, designed to break transatlantic, transpacific, and even possibly a RTW record.  And perhaps most importantly, there was no JuanK involvement.
 
Do you think it should be able to handle a Hobart with those credentials?

So what changed your mind from last year?

 

 

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Posted 27 December 2015 - 09:06 PM

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Posted 27 December 2015 - 10:23 PM

Good race by Comanche, credit to them for hanging in there when the shit hit the fan - she's a tough boat or is it a HE

hopefully with her Aussie conection they will bring the beast back down under next year - the lure of the race record might be enough.

It's not the same race when it's only the Oats show.

 

where to next for Comanche and Rambler ?



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Posted 27 December 2015 - 10:30 PM

Antigua for the RORC 600 in six weeks. Wild Oats could probably get a new main fitted in time but they won't be joining them because they're a one trick pony (who forgot how to do their trick!!!!)



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Posted 27 December 2015 - 10:35 PM

Antigua for the RORC 600 in six weeks. Wild Oats could probably get a new main fitted in time but they won't be joining them because they're a one trick pony (who forgot how to do their trick!!!!)


Oats is back in time to do the Coffs race.

It could be the new race to dominate and learn their one trick again.

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Posted 27 December 2015 - 10:42 PM

Oats is on a dyslexic diet-

Wait, you lost!

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Posted 27 December 2015 - 11:12 PM

Antigua for the RORC 600 in six weeks. Wild Oats could probably get a new main fitted in time but they won't be joining them because they're a one trick pony (who forgot how to do their trick!!!!)

who will they be chasing if WO doesn't go 



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Posted 27 December 2015 - 11:18 PM

Antigua for the RORC 600 in six weeks. Wild Oats could probably get a new main fitted in time but they won't be joining them because they're a one trick pony (who forgot how to do their trick!!!!)

who will they be chasing if WO doesn't go

Multihulls ;)

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Posted 27 December 2015 - 11:36 PM

don't say multihull - you'll never shut them up!



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Posted 28 December 2015 - 12:41 AM

Will Phaedo be there?



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Posted 28 December 2015 - 01:30 AM

And Concise. So Comanche to be 3rd over the line. First monohull though - or "sailboat" if you're the CYCA. 



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Posted 30 December 2015 - 01:46 AM

2 Juan K boats in the top 4.



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Posted 03 January 2016 - 08:00 AM

See yah Keith........

 

Thanks Jim And Kristy      10857800_10152971891799516_7615530502214



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Posted 03 January 2016 - 08:02 AM

You have done something special

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 08:43 AM

Officially the fastest 100 in the world. Hope they come back but it doesn't sound that way. 



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Posted 03 January 2016 - 03:19 PM

Is Comanche still doing Antigua or is there too much bottom and rudder damage to get repaired in time?



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Posted 04 January 2016 - 10:58 AM

You have done something special

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 03:14 PM

This photo shows exactly why I think Jim Clark has created an awesome, fun loving team that does it right. No pretenses or airs to keep up like their Australian counterparts. Just fun loving people who do it right. We can't wait to cheer you boys on when you're back home in New England in a few months!

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 03:48 PM

This photo shows exactly why I think Jim Clark has created an awesome, fun loving team that does it right. No pretenses or airs to keep up like their Australian counterparts. Just fun loving people who do it right. We can't wait to cheer you boys on when you're back home in New England in a few months!

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In other news,
Uber rich fucker wins yacht race.
And thats a pretty crappy tender all things considered

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Posted 06 January 2016 - 01:48 AM

 

This photo shows exactly why I think Jim Clark has created an awesome, fun loving team that does it right. No pretenses or airs to keep up like their Australian counterparts. Just fun loving people who do it right. We can't wait to cheer you boys on when you're back home in New England in a few months!

G0uM0ge.jpg

In other news,
Uber rich fucker wins yacht race.
And thats a pretty crappy tender all things considered

 

i'd be willing to guess he has a nice tender , AT HOME .



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Posted 06 January 2016 - 02:50 AM

Having more fun then the people in the tender off the port bow.



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Posted 06 January 2016 - 07:29 AM

Having more fun then the people in the tender off the port bow.

 

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Posted 06 January 2016 - 08:23 AM

This photo shows exactly why I think Jim Clark has created an awesome, fun loving team that does it right. No pretenses or airs to keep up like their Australian counterparts. Just fun loving people who do it right. We can't wait to cheer you boys on when you're back home in New England in a few months! G0uM0ge.jpg


Most cries of "cultural appropriation" are bollox, but war bonnets? In 2015? Really?

Wow. Maybe they should rename the boat Utterly Insensitive idiot.

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Posted 06 January 2016 - 10:07 AM

Most cries of cultural insensitivity are made by white people with sandy vaginas.



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Posted 06 January 2016 - 10:50 PM

Nah, I think this one is pretty universally established at this point.



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Posted 07 January 2016 - 01:02 PM

So if one would decide to try to break a multi 24h record from less than 10 years ago. Could that be achieved with Comanche? What kind of modifications would it require? Less lead? Longer keel fin? More canting? New foils? Original weight 8000kg heavier than eg spindrift 2. Not sure if relevant, but just for comparance

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Posted 07 January 2016 - 09:29 PM

So if one would decide to try to break a multi 24h record from less than 10 years ago. Could that be achieved with Comanche? What kind of modifications would it require? Less lead? Longer keel fin? More canting? New foils? Original weight 8000kg heavier than eg spindrift 2. Not sure if relevant, but just for comparance

add another hull would be a good start, last time I looked it was a mono.



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Posted 07 January 2016 - 09:57 PM

So if one would decide to try to break a multi 24h record from less than 10 years ago. Could that be achieved with Comanche? What kind of modifications would it require? Less lead? Longer keel fin? More canting? New foils? Original weight 8000kg heavier than eg spindrift 2. Not sure if relevant, but just for comparance

So you are asking what modifications could be made to the current monohull 24h record holder, a nearly new boat, built with no thought to rating and an open checkbook, to make it faster for 24h record breaking?

First, replace the rig with one off a modern ultime multi.
Then replace the foils with those from a modern ultime multi.
Finally, replace the single hull with the three from a modern ultime multi.
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Posted 07 January 2016 - 10:28 PM

So if one would decide to try to break a multi 24h record from less than 10 years ago. Could that be achieved with Comanche? What kind of modifications would it require? Less lead? Longer keel fin? More canting? New foils? Original weight 8000kg heavier than eg spindrift 2. Not sure if relevant, but just for comparance

So you are asking what modifications could be made to the current monohull 24h record holder, a nearly new boat, built with no thought to rating and an open checkbook, to make it faster for 24h record breaking?
First, replace the rig with one off a modern ultime multi.
Then replace the foils with those from a modern ultime multi.
Finally, replace the single hull with the three from a modern ultime multi.
Dickhead
Hey, chill, obviously it is the most breathtaking 100 footer out there and as impressive as a 600+ nm 24h run for a monohull is, It doesn't mean that the boat is perfect. Given what we already have seen on smaller boats, I think it is fully appropriate to speculate what could be done to enhance the performance even further if the owners chose to do so one day. Obviously experimenting on a 100 footer is a little more risky than on a IMOCA60, so I don't expect it to happen anytime soon. Also there won't probably be a need unless a newer and faster 100footer is being built

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Posted 07 January 2016 - 11:23 PM

 

 

So if one would decide to try to break a multi 24h record from less than 10 years ago. Could that be achieved with Comanche? What kind of modifications would it require? Less lead? Longer keel fin? More canting? New foils? Original weight 8000kg heavier than eg spindrift 2. Not sure if relevant, but just for comparance

So you are asking what modifications could be made to the current monohull 24h record holder, a nearly new boat, built with no thought to rating and an open checkbook, to make it faster for 24h record breaking?
First, replace the rig with one off a modern ultime multi.
Then replace the foils with those from a modern ultime multi.
Finally, replace the single hull with the three from a modern ultime multi.
Dickhead
Hey, chill, obviously it is the most breathtaking 100 footer out there and as impressive as a 600+ nm 24h run for a monohull is, It doesn't mean that the boat is perfect. Given what we already have seen on smaller boats, I think it is fully appropriate to speculate what could be done to enhance the performance even further if the owners chose to do so one day. Obviously experimenting on a 100 footer is a little more risky than on a IMOCA60, so I don't expect it to happen anytime soon. Also there won't probably be a need unless a newer and faster 100footer is being built

 

maybe take out your reference to multi 24hr records in your original if you don't like the comment princess



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Posted 07 January 2016 - 11:24 PM

 i reckon Cs & WO rigs are just as advanced for their particular application, 

 

also if a faster 100 is built your speculation is then redundant

 

 

weight is probably 'light' given the volume of the boat, theres been tender maxis before and they are dogs



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Posted 07 January 2016 - 11:58 PM

So if one would decide to try to break a multi 24h record from less than 10 years ago. Could that be achieved with Comanche? What kind of modifications would it require? Less lead? Longer keel fin? More canting? New foils? Original weight 8000kg heavier than eg spindrift 2. Not sure if relevant, but just for comparance

So you are asking what modifications could be made to the current monohull 24h record holder, a nearly new boat, built with no thought to rating and an open checkbook, to make it faster for 24h record breaking?
First, replace the rig with one off a modern ultime multi.
Then replace the foils with those from a modern ultime multi.
Finally, replace the single hull with the three from a modern ultime multi.
Dickhead
Hey, chill, obviously it is the most breathtaking 100 footer out there and as impressive as a 600+ nm 24h run for a monohull is, It doesn't mean that the boat is perfect. Given what we already have seen on smaller boats, I think it is fully appropriate to speculate what could be done to enhance the performance even further if the owners chose to do so one day. Obviously experimenting on a 100 footer is a little more risky than on a IMOCA60, so I don't expect it to happen anytime soon. Also there won't probably be a need unless a newer and faster 100footer is being built
maybe take out your reference to multi 24hr records in your original if you don't like the comment princess
write whatever you want if that makes you feel good. Have to admit though that the reason for this discussion wasn't directly because I think that the big Indian is slow, but because I stumbled on the Clean-Breymaier discussion from last July and was curious about other opinions. I guess those opinions were delivered quite effectively.

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Posted 08 January 2016 - 08:05 PM

 

 

 

 

So if one would decide to try to break a multi 24h record from less than 10 years ago. Could that be achieved with Comanche? What kind of modifications would it require? Less lead? Longer keel fin? More canting? New foils? Original weight 8000kg heavier than eg spindrift 2. Not sure if relevant, but just for comparance

So you are asking what modifications could be made to the current monohull 24h record holder, a nearly new boat, built with no thought to rating and an open checkbook, to make it faster for 24h record breaking?
First, replace the rig with one off a modern ultime multi.
Then replace the foils with those from a modern ultime multi.
Finally, replace the single hull with the three from a modern ultime multi.
Dickhead
Hey, chill, obviously it is the most breathtaking 100 footer out there and as impressive as a 600+ nm 24h run for a monohull is, It doesn't mean that the boat is perfect. Given what we already have seen on smaller boats, I think it is fully appropriate to speculate what could be done to enhance the performance even further if the owners chose to do so one day. Obviously experimenting on a 100 footer is a little more risky than on a IMOCA60, so I don't expect it to happen anytime soon. Also there won't probably be a need unless a newer and faster 100footer is being built
maybe take out your reference to multi 24hr records in your original if you don't like the comment princess
write whatever you want if that makes you feel good. Have to admit though that the reason for this discussion wasn't directly because I think that the big Indian is slow, but because I stumbled on the Clean-Breymaier discussion from last July and was curious about other opinions. I guess those opinions were delivered quite effectively.

If comanche was only about passage records it would look more like a 60.  Wing mast, some sort of curved/L boards, substantially lighter.  According to the guys that put together the design brief it is designed "to compete in races", which means safety regulations (like the vanishing stability index in all offshore races) which inherently makes the bulb/keel heavy and adds structure etc.  To do those races for the most part you have to be GL compliant (insurance) which also adds weight and structure. The fact that it was made to race is the reason it looks and designed the way it does.  Straight boards because this boat has to go upwind, and they are still the best alternative upwind/downwind (because downwind they can disappear) .  And most of the great races in the world are some sort of windward/leeward courses typically along coast lines.  Thought this might help solve the mystery. 



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Posted 08 January 2016 - 09:10 PM

^Good answer, although the foils on the imocas look like they do because of the five appendix limitation, so on C it would rather be a DSS type foil, I think?. The imocas are not designed to compete in "races" but in a specific race and also because there are 20 other almost identical boats, certain design risks are taken to make it a little more likely to hit the podium. Also the Imoca's are a couple of tons heavier than a MOD70, so with a little higher safety margin I guess that the current weight of C is reasonable... 



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Posted 08 January 2016 - 11:09 PM

^Good answer, although the foils on the imocas look like they do because of the five appendix limitation, so on C it would rather be a DSS type foil, I think?. The imocas are not designed to compete in "races" but in a specific race and also because there are 20 other almost identical boats, certain design risks are taken to make it a little more likely to hit the podium. Also the Imoca's are a couple of tons heavier than a MOD70, so with a little higher safety margin I guess that the current weight of C is reasonable... 

Flying a 30 ton boat is no small ask. The foils would need to be very heavy. Rambler is around 21 tons I believe, and the maxi Tris somewhere around there too, less even. There are diseconomies of scale with foiling as the weight of a boat cubes with linear increases in size at a constant geometry. One of the tradons AC72s were dropped - can go just as fast in something much smaller and cheaper.

Plus, Comanche's design trim is well heeled - that's how the beam generates high RM, whereas DSS boats typically fly fairly level. The Rambler DSS setup is probably similar to what C would run but it's unclear how effective that has been. The DSS would have to run very big dihedral angles to be effective, if it points downwards as the boat heels it creates leeway and drag and lift is reduced. WOXI sails downwind pretty low and flat so the DSS foil is pretty horizontal.

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Posted 08 January 2016 - 11:54 PM

With the DSS, if you get it working as intended, you should at least be able to carry more sail or use less ballast, but I think if the boat wasn't designed with that system in mind from the beginning, retrofitting might perhaps not work too well

On the Imoca threads there's a lot more about foiling, so unless specifically applicable to C, it's unnecessary to dig deeper in this thread. Anyhow it won't be moth type foiling anytime soon for big C ;) The Infiniti 46 will be in St Barth. Maybe it will give some indication on what is about to come or we will have to wait for the 53 or the 100....

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Posted 09 January 2016 - 10:39 AM

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Posted 09 January 2016 - 02:28 PM

^Good answer, although the foils on the imocas look like they do because of the five appendix limitation, so on C it would rather be a DSS type foil, I think?. The imocas are not designed to compete in "races" but in a specific race and also because there are 20 other almost identical boats, certain design risks are taken to make it a little more likely to hit the podium. Also the Imoca's are a couple of tons heavier than a MOD70, so with a little higher safety margin I guess that the current weight of C is reasonable... 

Flying a 30 ton boat is no small ask. The foils would need to be very heavy. Rambler is around 21 tons I believe, and the maxi Tris somewhere around there too, less even. There are diseconomies of scale with foiling as the weight of a boat cubes with linear increases in size at a constant geometry. One of the tradons AC72s were dropped - can go just as fast in something much smaller and cheaper.

Plus, Comanche's design trim is well heeled - that's how the beam generates high RM, whereas DSS boats typically fly fairly level. The Rambler DSS setup is probably similar to what C would run but it's unclear how effective that has been. The DSS would have to run very big dihedral angles to be effective, if it points downwards as the boat heels it creates leeway and drag and lift is reduced. WOXI sails downwind pretty low and flat so the DSS foil is pretty horizontal.

Rambler removed their system.

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Posted 09 January 2016 - 11:51 PM

^Good answer, although the foils on the imocas look like they do because of the five appendix limitation, so on C it would rather be a DSS type foil, I think?. The imocas are not designed to compete in "races" but in a specific race and also because there are 20 other almost identical boats, certain design risks are taken to make it a little more likely to hit the podium. Also the Imoca's are a couple of tons heavier than a MOD70, so with a little higher safety margin I guess that the current weight of C is reasonable...

There's nothing stopping them from having a pair of Dali foils that stay retracted upwind and then deployed when reaching and downwind and the straight boards lifted, that way the straight boards could be optimised for upwind work and the Dali foils optimised for reaching work (would look more like HB foils than Safran foils, more open angle)

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Posted 10 January 2016 - 11:47 AM

^Good answer, although the foils on the imocas look like they do because of the five appendix limitation, so on C it would rather be a DSS type foil, I think?. The imocas are not designed to compete in "races" but in a specific race and also because there are 20 other almost identical boats, certain design risks are taken to make it a little more likely to hit the podium. Also the Imoca's are a couple of tons heavier than a MOD70, so with a little higher safety margin I guess that the current weight of C is reasonable... 

Flying a 30 ton boat is no small ask. The foils would need to be very heavy. Rambler is around 21 tons I believe, and the maxi Tris somewhere around there too, less even. There are diseconomies of scale with foiling as the weight of a boat cubes with linear increases in size at a constant geometry. One of the tradons AC72s were dropped - can go just as fast in something much smaller and cheaper.

Plus, Comanche's design trim is well heeled - that's how the beam generates high RM, whereas DSS boats typically fly fairly level. The Rambler DSS setup is probably similar to what C would run but it's unclear how effective that has been. The DSS would have to run very big dihedral angles to be effective, if it points downwards as the boat heels it creates leeway and drag and lift is reduced. WOXI sails downwind pretty low and flat so the DSS foil is pretty horizontal.
Rambler removed their system.
It was still there a couple of days begotten Sydney - Hobart. I had a look at the boat and the foil slots were still there

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Posted 10 January 2016 - 01:44 PM

In Nics interview GD said it was out

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Posted 11 January 2016 - 12:52 AM

 

 

^Good answer, although the foils on the imocas look like they do because of the five appendix limitation, so on C it would rather be a DSS type foil, I think?. The imocas are not designed to compete in "races" but in a specific race and also because there are 20 other almost identical boats, certain design risks are taken to make it a little more likely to hit the podium. Also the Imoca's are a couple of tons heavier than a MOD70, so with a little higher safety margin I guess that the current weight of C is reasonable... 

Flying a 30 ton boat is no small ask. The foils would need to be very heavy. Rambler is around 21 tons I believe, and the maxi Tris somewhere around there too, less even. There are diseconomies of scale with foiling as the weight of a boat cubes with linear increases in size at a constant geometry. One of the tradons AC72s were dropped - can go just as fast in something much smaller and cheaper.

Plus, Comanche's design trim is well heeled - that's how the beam generates high RM, whereas DSS boats typically fly fairly level. The Rambler DSS setup is probably similar to what C would run but it's unclear how effective that has been. The DSS would have to run very big dihedral angles to be effective, if it points downwards as the boat heels it creates leeway and drag and lift is reduced. WOXI sails downwind pretty low and flat so the DSS foil is pretty horizontal.

Rambler removed their system.

 

 

It was said that Rambler's DSS was always part of the design? If they have removed it now then obviously it's been a failure. Would be nice to know exactly what was happening or what was not happening with their DSS?



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Posted 11 January 2016 - 01:25 AM

If removed or not deployed then surely a simple case of not enough added RM to offset the additional drag or if it is doing its stuff, that is only happening in a very narrow conditions window.

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Posted 11 January 2016 - 10:04 AM

If removed or not deployed then surely a simple case of not enough added RM to offset the additional drag or if it is doing its stuff, that is only happening in a very narrow conditions window.

 

And / or possibly they get hammered under IRC for DSS?

 

Middle Sea race with DSS: 1.902

Hobart without DSS: 1.826

 

They got 5th of 7 in div 0 in Hobart (of 13 starters).

 

They took 68 hours for a corrected time of 124 hours. To achieve that with the "+DSS IRC*" number, they would have needed to finish the race in 65 hours. I wonder if they would have been 3 hours quicker with DSS?

 

(*assuming that there were no other significant mods between these races)

 

Anyone have info on how IRC treats DSS-style foils? Or Dali foils for that matter.



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Posted 11 January 2016 - 05:39 PM

It's quite random in a single race. Maybe a bit faster during the first night could've made them avoid the hole before the finish, pure speculation.

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Posted 12 January 2016 - 10:56 AM

 

If removed or not deployed then surely a simple case of not enough added RM to offset the additional drag or if it is doing its stuff, that is only happening in a very narrow conditions window.

 

And / or possibly they get hammered under IRC for DSS?

 

Middle Sea race with DSS: 1.902

Hobart without DSS: 1.826

 

They got 5th of 7 in div 0 in Hobart (of 13 starters).

 

They took 68 hours for a corrected time of 124 hours. To achieve that with the "+DSS IRC*" number, they would have needed to finish the race in 65 hours. I wonder if they would have been 3 hours quicker with DSS?

 

(*assuming that there were no other significant mods between these races)

 

Anyone have info on how IRC treats DSS-style foils? Or Dali foils for that matter.

 

I hear that ORC and IRC treat these foils differently, so ORC has inputs for the foil dimensions as seen on the WO cert, but IRC simply applies another increment to hull factor for DSS.  So that rather assumes that DSS has been optimally done for the boat and if that's not the case then it won't live with the rating cost.  Sailor Girl's pics that were around showed left and right boards which presumably met at the middle, and that would limit the possible extension from the hull to something pretty small and probably not big enough to be really effective against the rating cost.  They might have done better having an ORC cert as well.



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Posted 18 January 2016 - 09:08 AM

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 01:55 PM

May be old hat by now but Comanche just got back in the States from Australia. We Discharged her yesterday on a blustery Charleston morning. It appears she be here for a little work before heading south. Just don't realize how big this boat is until your standing underneath it.

 

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 02:26 PM

Nice pics, thanks!

 

Where's rig?



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 02:33 PM

Nice pics, thanks!

 

Where's rig?

We put it on a deck barge with the cradle. They're going to pull the boat out of the water for some TLC than re-launch. I'm assuming they'll step it after the boat goes back in the water.



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 07:18 PM

Are they on time for caribbean 600? Just 2 weeks from the start!

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 08:01 PM

Are they on time for caribbean 600? Just 2 weeks from the start!

They said they have 1 week to get everything done so that they can make it for the start. Looked like some minor repairs to the hull where the port dagger board was slamming, installing replacement board and some other cosmetic stuff.



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 08:06 PM

They said they have a week to get the work done ( fix some small holes in the hull from the banging port board, install the replacement and some other cosmetic stuff). Then the boat will be heading south for the start.



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 09:59 PM

Thanks Matt great to have some first hand info.



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Posted 13 February 2016 - 10:02 PM

Still in Charleston, but sounds like they are leaving today or tomorrow.

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Posted 15 February 2016 - 03:11 AM

Still in Charleston, but sounds like they are leaving today or tomorrow.

 

whens the start ? 



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Posted 15 February 2016 - 09:27 AM

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 12:14 PM

an old one      Passing Scilly ... 11880559_10154111536608294_2876213613148



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Posted 20 February 2016 - 01:18 PM

According to Facebook reports, Comanche just rattled off a 500 NM day on their delivery to Antigua.

Pretty Impressive.

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 06:05 PM

According to Facebook reports, Comanche just rattled off a 500 NM day on their delivery to Antigua.

Pretty Impressive.

21 knot average ? Meh.

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 11:42 PM

According to Facebook reports, Comanche just rattled off a 500 NM day on their delivery to Antigua.

Pretty Impressive.

21 knot average ? Meh.

With a delivery crew and set up? Maybe not a big deal for 6-8 hours during daylight, but maybe you've been hanging out with Clean for too long.

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Posted 21 February 2016 - 07:28 PM

Couple of great photos from the delivery from Shannon Falcone's Instagram page.

 

https://www.instagram.com/racingsf/



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Posted 21 February 2016 - 11:45 PM

According to Facebook reports, Comanche just rattled off a 500 NM day on their delivery to Antigua.

Pretty Impressive.

21 knot average ? Meh.
I'll take 21 knots average on a delivery any day. We all know you're a troll, so have your fun knowing no one really gives a fuck about your opinion.

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Posted 23 February 2016 - 01:17 PM

Here's the look.  

 

Design: VPLP/Verdier

Purpose: Record breaking

Schedule:  Splash October/First race 2014 Sydney Hobart. 

Photo credit: spring fever

 

-Conventional foils
-27’ beam
-30 tons
-Loooooong keel (“Ubelievable amount of stability” - KR)
-Speedboat sized rig
-Mast VERY far back “Extreme version of Macif”)
-Twice the hull volume of WOXI
-“Some unconventional underwater thinking”)
-All manual winches for record breaking (maybe a couple powered for deliveries)

.

why post this 'clean & jerk' ?

 

as antiquated as a J Class your quote



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Posted 23 February 2016 - 01:41 PM

Deep Breaths GS.



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Posted 23 February 2016 - 02:05 PM

According to Facebook reports, Comanche just rattled off a 500 NM day on their delivery to Antigua.

Pretty Impressive.

21 knot average ? Meh.

I'll take 21 knots average on a delivery any day. We all know you're a troll, so have your fun knowing no one really gives a fuck about your opinion.


20 knot avg on a 100ft state of the art racer tradewind reaching. sure id love to do it but its doesn't seem that
impressive. I think Speedboat did better with a broken main going to Bermuda when she dropped out of the transat

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Posted 23 February 2016 - 02:07 PM

According to Facebook reports, Comanche just rattled off a 500 NM day on their delivery to Antigua.

Pretty Impressive.

21 knot average ? Meh.

I'll take 21 knots average on a delivery any day. We all know you're a troll, so have your fun knowing no one really gives a fuck about your opinion.


20 knot avg on a 100ft state of the art racer tradewind reaching. sure id love to do it but its doesn't seem that
impressive. They were in a hurry as well to get down to the 600. I think Speedboat did better with a broken main going to Bermuda when she dropped out of the transat. Impressive for us shitbox sailors for sure.



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Posted 24 February 2016 - 01:23 AM

 

Here's the look.  

 

Design: VPLP/Verdier

Purpose: Record breaking

Schedule:  Splash October/First race 2014 Sydney Hobart. 

Photo credit: spring fever

 

-Conventional foils
-27’ beam
-30 tons
-Loooooong keel (“Ubelievable amount of stability” - KR)
-Speedboat sized rig
-Mast VERY far back “Extreme version of Macif”)
-Twice the hull volume of WOXI
-“Some unconventional underwater thinking”)
-All manual winches for record breaking (maybe a couple powered for deliveries)

.

why post this 'clean & jerk' ?

 

as antiquated as a J Class your quote

 

 

Yes, as antiquated as C is it stilled cleaned up WO.



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Posted 24 February 2016 - 02:51 AM

According to Facebook reports, Comanche just rattled off a 500 NM day on their delivery to Antigua.

Pretty Impressive.

21 knot average ? Meh.
I'll take 21 knots average on a delivery any day. We all know you're a troll, so have your fun knowing no one really gives a fuck about your opinion.
20 knot avg on a 100ft state of the art racer tradewind reaching. sure id love to do it but its doesn't seem that
impressive. They were in a hurry as well to get down to the 600. I think Speedboat did better with a broken main going to Bermuda when she dropped out of the transat. Impressive for us shitbox sailors for sure.

The impressive part is that they averaged that for over 24 hrs. Not so sure Speedboat accomplished that feat.

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 03:59 AM

A 21k/24hr average in delivery mode ....gee probably only had a jib up, boom lashed to deck and sitting back having a beer. Looks as they might shortly have the 600 race record.

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 04:45 AM

A 21k/24hr average in delivery mode ....gee probably only had a jib up, boom lashed to deck and sitting back having a beer. Looks as they might shortly have the 600 race record.

that thing is fast. visibly faster than all the maxi's in the start video. unreal off the wind. pretty damn cool .



#2877 jake.flintoff

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 05:03 AM

someone needs to build something faster



#2878 JMOD

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 08:49 AM

someone needs to build something faster

 

that's the spirit!



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Posted 24 February 2016 - 11:03 AM

Hell yeah, if Kuka light would be scaled up to 30m loa, it would be almost 11m wide :)



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Posted 24 February 2016 - 02:54 PM

someone needs to build something faster


I bet a rich guy will within the next few years.

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 02:56 PM

A 21k/24hr average in delivery mode ....gee probably only had a jib up, boom lashed to deck and sitting back having a beer. Looks as they might shortly have the 600 race record.


Yeah. People have said she's fast for a sailboat.

#2882 CrushDigital

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 04:15 PM

I imagine you're pushing the limits in terms of what a big wedge shaped hull can do.  Maybe it's time to dust off the plans for the 100ft ocean going scow.



#2883 jack_sparrow

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Posted 27 February 2016 - 01:48 PM

Seems after Bermuda, Team Injun are going to do a weather wait for a few months and give the Atlantic Record a crack.

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Posted 27 February 2016 - 09:41 PM

Maybe while they're bored and hanging out in NYC they can try to take out the ALIR and Vineyard Race records.

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 04:41 AM

Anyone seen / heard anything about the aircraft carrier lately?



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Posted 04 April 2016 - 03:09 PM

Its in Antigua prepping for Les voiles.

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Posted 11 April 2016 - 03:54 AM

Marine Traffic shows it doing a lap of the Island



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Posted 13 April 2016 - 01:02 PM

This thread sure has gone quiet.  Who's gonna be first to talk about it?

 

Comanche's Last Stand?



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Posted 13 April 2016 - 01:43 PM

Is Ken Read on board in St Bart?



#2890 crashtestdummy

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Posted 13 April 2016 - 01:58 PM

He just can't keep it in his pants!



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Posted 13 April 2016 - 02:06 PM

This thread sure has gone quiet.  Who's gonna be first to talk about it?
 
Comanche's Last Stand?


Huh?

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Posted 13 April 2016 - 02:06 PM

That's what I heard.



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Posted 13 April 2016 - 02:15 PM

Anyone want to be a bit more specific?

Because if Kenny was 'coaching'..... that's a spectacular way for this campaign to end.



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Posted 13 April 2016 - 04:15 PM

http://sailinganarch...hes-last-stand/



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Posted 13 April 2016 - 04:23 PM

the fact that the big VPLP maxi is likely to be the last purpose-designed record breaking monohull ever built


Hyperbole much?

I'm pretty sure someone, somewhere, sometime over the next 1000 years or so, will build a "purpose-designed record-breaking monohull..."

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Posted 13 April 2016 - 04:26 PM

 

ya know, I seem to recall SA saying mari cha IV would be the last record setting supermaxi to be built, then rambler was the last then speedboat was the last, now comanche is the last? though I;m curious clean, what do you think this will be her last regatta ever? 



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Posted 13 April 2016 - 04:29 PM

 

 

ya know, I seem to recall SA saying mari cha IV would be the last record setting supermaxi to be built, then rambler was the last then speedboat was the last, now comanche is the last?

 

You do?  'cause we never wrote anything like that. Suggestion for you to sort out your age-related memory problems.



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Posted 13 April 2016 - 04:31 PM

 

 

 

ya know, I seem to recall SA saying mari cha IV would be the last record setting supermaxi to be built, then rambler was the last then speedboat was the last, now comanche is the last?

 

You do?  'cause we never wrote anything like that. Suggestion for you to sort out your age-related memory problems.

 

 

every time some supermaxi comes to grief it suddenly becomes "the last one that will be built" and again, why is this going to be comanches last regatta ever? 



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Posted 13 April 2016 - 04:31 PM

 

 

what do you think this will be her last regatta ever? 

 

 

Because that's what I was told by one of the crew.  Though extremely newsworthy, the rumored reason is a wrecking ball and I will not repeat it now.



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Posted 13 April 2016 - 04:34 PM

I remember the Azzura TP 52 on the front page as going to be 'the last one ever built'...







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