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#601 Par Avion

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 08:16 PM

 

Well Soley agrees with me, if it's not legal, offers no advantages over deck mounted lights and has a measurable performance penalty then why bother? Makes absolutely no sense to me.
 
I know a bloke that did some calcs on his turbo'ed Seaway 25 (read 4.5 knot shitbox) and came up with 1 kg at the mast head was worth 28kgs in the bulb. I would hardly call that insignificant.


You're assuming that they will be using the masthead light instead of deck mounted lights, which would be illegal. However I don't think that the crew or owner or skipper are idiots so I'm sure somebody remembered to spec bow lights and a stern light.

I find it curious that they are using port and starboard lights rather than the upper lights one sees on lots of sailing vessels over 20m, which is a masthead light with with a green light beneath a red one, with both being visible all round.
My guess would be that an all round fixture actually would have added significant weight and since a masthead light isn't required under the COLREGS, a more streamlined approach was taken. They will be displaying port and starboard from the masthead, which despite what Abbo insists can be helpful (ever seen how bright a 5 watt LED is?) and the deck mounted lights, which are required.

The boat will be pretty cool, and fast, but the masthead lights are clearly the most interesting part by far.

I'm not assuming anything but I did give myself a good hard slap and come up with this.

 

Those lights are separate and there is no stern so it's not a tri-colour, so as long as they have the correct intensity they are legal, as long as the deck level side lights are off.

 

A pretty common scenario where using the mast head lights would be very useful?  Racing offshore with a Zero or spin on port tack where the bow rail fitted green lights up the sail destroying your night vision and making it very difficult to see anything beyond the sail. I reckon the masthead ones would be very bloody handy in that situation.

 

Red over green indicates a sailing yacht of any length underway sailing, these lights are optional.

are you seriously just now figuring out the advantages of a masthead tri? 



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Posted 09 September 2014 - 09:41 PM

Some of you blokes love to paraphrase and put words in people's mouths don't you. Well aware of the advantages of a tri on boats below 20, I've probably done more night miles under a tri than deck level. Above 20 however, is not legal so "why bother?" was my question. Then I realised that this particular installation has no stern light at the mast head, so by definition it is not a tricolour, so it is legal, and all the normal advantages of having lights at the mast head apply. I was definitely slow picking up on this, however no one else bothered to set me straight so I suspect I may not have been alone?

The problem of light reflecting off the forward sails has become worse in recent times with the advent of laminate chutes and zeros which can be very shiny. The light reflected when on port can be quite blinding at certain angles.

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 11:45 PM

Some of you blokes love to paraphrase and put words in people's mouths don't you. Well aware of the advantages of a tri on boats below 20, I've probably done more night miles under a tri than deck level. Above 20 however, is not legal so "why bother?" was my question. Then I realised that this particular installation has no stern light at the mast head, so by definition it is not a tricolour, so it is legal, and all the normal advantages of having lights at the mast head apply. I was definitely slow picking up on this, however no one else bothered to set me straight so I suspect I may not have been alone?

The problem of light reflecting off the forward sails has become worse in recent times with the advent of laminate chutes and zeros which can be very shiny. The light reflected when on port can be quite blinding at certain angles.

Although annoying, I don't think light reflecting off an assy is the issue. It's more along the lines of it being completely invisible to other boats.

Having said that, the running lights just aren't that fascinating to me.

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 03:35 AM

It's both really, they can't see you and you can't see shit. Last time I remember it happening with a zero it was positively blinding.



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Posted Yesterday, 03:19 PM

I'm going to Hodgdon's today to tour the Comanche/NewCubed.  Anyone have any questions?



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Posted Yesterday, 03:53 PM

I heard they got an extension on the delivery date, that true?

#607 SCANAS

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Posted Yesterday, 04:39 PM

Clean ask them if they'll make it for the Hobart?

Its going to be relatively easy to build the fastest IRC Supermaxi around thanks to the advances in tech since loyal was launched. What have they included in the design to make sure the next Supermaxi launched after them isnt faster again & leaves their boat obsolete?

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Posted Yesterday, 07:27 PM

What's the outlook for crew? Are they going to actively be going out and looking to bring people up in US Offshore sailing or will it be an insular crew of familiar offshore faces.

 

Would be cool to have two or three 22-25 year olds with moderate experience absorbed into the crew and rotated every season or so to learn and contribute and grow. 

 

(yes, I know, I'm beating a dead horse but it's a thing I'm passionate about)



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Posted Yesterday, 07:55 PM

What would their crew number be for a short course windward leeward regatta?



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Posted Yesterday, 08:58 PM

Are they doing the tp52 turbo string chute drop.

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Posted Yesterday, 09:21 PM

Ask em about the nave lights



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Posted Yesterday, 09:36 PM

Good tour. Most questions answered. Best thing ever? Cruising option (removable hard dodger). Headed to mt Washington to show the wife that east coast mountains can be big too.

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Posted Yesterday, 10:24 PM

Good tour. Most questions answered. Best thing ever? Cruising option (removable hard dodger). Headed to mt Washington to show the wife that east coast mountains can be big too.


Billionaires can have their cake & eat it too!

#614 Flippin Out

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Posted Today, 05:54 AM

 

Does Rio have plans to do S2H this year does anyone know ?

 

Could potentially make 6 100's in the race.

 

WOXI

Loyal

Comanche

Rags

Rio

Wild Thing

 

Wild Thing not going.

why?

Because the owner is going on a different boat ?

http://teamragamuffi...-watch-captain/



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Posted Today, 07:10 AM


Are they doing the tp52 turbo string chute drop.


Always supposing they are going to be using a spinnaker!

#616 skew

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Posted Today, 10:48 AM

^^^ all the sails in front of the mast will be on furlers...



#617 MR.CLEAN

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Posted Today, 12:31 PM

Paint's on the bow.  Full image set here.  Video and story tonight or tomorrow.

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Posted Today, 12:36 PM

^^^ all the sails in front of the mast will be on furlers...

 

Except for the hank-on J1.



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Posted Today, 12:45 PM

Ask em about the nave lights

 

I took a good look at those on the top of the rig, they're the crazy high output leds like whats used in surefire flashlights or the high output underwater lights.



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Posted Today, 12:48 PM

Nice Clean, great shots Mer.



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Posted Today, 12:59 PM

no worries



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Posted Today, 01:08 PM

Ask em about the nave lights

 

I took a good look at those on the top of the rig, they're the crazy high output leds like whats used in surefire flashlights or the high output underwater lights.

I was actually taking the piss with that comment but thanks anyway!



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Posted Today, 01:40 PM

 

Ask em about the nave lights

 

I took a good look at those on the top of the rig, they're the crazy high output leds like whats used in surefire flashlights or the high output underwater lights.

I was actually taking the piss with that comment but thanks anyway!

Well someone had to look instead of speculate.  :P



#624 oioi

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Posted Today, 03:36 PM

facts? on the internet?

fuck off



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Posted Today, 06:20 PM

facts? on the internet?

fuck off

 

Sorry, they're actually candles the bow monkey has to go up and light at sundown.



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Posted Today, 07:02 PM

I don't think it's an optical illusion, cause I think I can see it in other photos of the bow, but that looks like some massive chine up there...

 

HW

 

Paint's on the bow.  Full image set here.  Video and story tonight or tomorrow.



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Posted Today, 07:43 PM

facts? on the internet?
fuck off

 
Sorry, they're actually candles the bow monkey has to go up and light at sundown.

African or European bow monkey? The internet demands all the facts.

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Posted Today, 07:43 PM

 

facts? on the internet?
fuck off

 
Sorry, they're actually candles the bow monkey has to go up and light at sundown.

African or European bow monkey? The internet demands all the facts.

 

Whichever is made from more carbon.

Righting moment and all yanno.



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Posted Today, 09:26 PM

Great pics.  Too bad they didn't do something like Cookson did for the Speedboat: https://www.youtube....2366CC21B9FE9B0







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