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#1 mikewof

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:28 PM

http://m.kmbc.com/ne...center/25457124

I grew up with this out West, depressing that after all these years, the folks who hate Jews and Blacks are still at it.

Ironically, my daughter had a school assignment a couple of days ago about hate groups,, she asked me about my memories of the KKK, I told her that they've probably taken their hate mainstream now, and have stopped killing Jews and Blacks.

Guess not. Illogical hate has some weird staying power though the centuries it seems.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 10:12 PM

I'm surprised at the lack of response from the usual suspects.



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 10:14 PM

I'm surprised at the lack of response from the usual suspects.

It ain't Obamacare.  The sock puppets are very busy in next thread over.



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 10:36 PM

http://m.kmbc.com/ne...center/25457124

I grew up with this out West, depressing that after all these years, the folks who hate Jews and Blacks are still at it.

Ironically, my daughter had a school assignment a couple of days ago about hate groups,, she asked me about my memories of the KKK, I told her that they've probably taken their hate mainstream now, and have stopped killing Jews and Blacks.

Guess not. Illogical hate has some weird staying power though the centuries it seems.

 

An absolutely horrible event, Mike.  But an isolated incident should not reflect on society as a whole. We've come too far to allow the violence of a deranged individual erase all the progress that has been made.

 

I suggest you introduce your daughter to stories and images of KKK lynchings and the Holocaust so she can get a perspective.  When both our daughters are our age, I'm sure there will still be isolated instances of these tragedies.  Let her know that we've made amazing progress in a relatively short time (2 or 3 generations), but that evil will always exist. 



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 11:38 PM

The KKK and other hate groups should be denouncing this senseless violence.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 11:44 PM

Ever notice when a right wing nut does something bad, its an isolated incident that should not reflect on society as a whole, but if its someone from a any other ethnic background, its evidence of the breakdown in the social fabric?



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 12:12 AM

Ever notice when a right wing nut does something bad, its an isolated incident that should not reflect on society as a whole, but if its someone from a any other ethnic background, its evidence of the breakdown in the social fabric?

 

I do hope that is not directed at me - even through subtlety.

 

I'm not even close to "right wing", but I'd like to see some evidence to support your assertion about "any other ethnic background". 

 

A great talking point, but can you back it up?



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 12:44 AM

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An absolutely horrible event, Mike.  But an isolated incident should not reflect on society as a whole. We've come too far to allow the violence of a deranged individual erase all the progress that has been made.
 
I suggest you introduce your daughter to stories and images of KKK lynchings and the Holocaust so she can get a perspective.  When both our daughters are our age, I'm sure there will still be isolated instances of these tragedies.  Let her know that we've made amazing progress in a relatively short time (2 or 3 generations), but that evil will always exist. 


Yeah. no doubt. we're demolishing hate, but ...

She had the KKK history module at school, so she learned about the bad days, taught me more than I could teach her, I found out that KKK membership in Colorado is rising for some reason, and also that our little town was (and possibly is) a key KKK center. I never knew any of that.

Then, right when I tell her not to worry about it, some KKK nutter kills Jews.

I'm a little shocked by how little progress is actually made sometimes. I grew up with KKK killings around my home, now decades later my kids grow up with KKK killings the next state over and show me websites about KKK potlucks in our town, urging White Christians to learn about what their history means.

Ironically, they spent most of their life in Alabama, and we had precisely zero interaction or immediate knowledge of that there.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 01:52 AM

Ever notice when a right wing nut does something bad, its an isolated incident that should not reflect on society as a whole, but if its someone from a any other ethnic background, its evidence of the breakdown in the social fabric?

 

I do hope that is not directed at me - even through subtlety.

 

I'm not even close to "right wing", but I'd like to see some evidence to support your assertion about "any other ethnic background". 

 

A great talking point, but can you back it up?

So we have another angry white supremacist kill three people and its an isolated incident that should not reflect on society as a whole.  But if we have a couple of black kids play the knock out game, its indicative of a breakdown in culture.



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 03:10 AM



Ever notice when a right wing nut does something bad, its an isolated incident that should not reflect on society as a whole, but if its someone from a any other ethnic background, its evidence of the breakdown in the social fabric?

 
I do hope that is not directed at me - even through subtlety.
 
I'm not even close to "right wing", but I'd like to see some evidence to support your assertion about "any other ethnic background". 
 
A great talking point, but can you back it up?


So we have another angry white supremacist kill three people and its an isolated incident that should not reflect on society as a whole.  But if we have a couple of black kids play the knock out game, its indicative of a breakdown in culture.


They even fabricated the KO game part.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 03:20 AM

 

 

Ever notice when a right wing nut does something bad, its an isolated incident that should not reflect on society as a whole, but if its someone from a any other ethnic background, its evidence of the breakdown in the social fabric?

 
I do hope that is not directed at me - even through subtlety.
 
I'm not even close to "right wing", but I'd like to see some evidence to support your assertion about "any other ethnic background". 
 
A great talking point, but can you back it up?

 

So we have another angry white supremacist kill three people and its an isolated incident that should not reflect on society as a whole.  But if we have a couple of black kids play the knock out game, its indicative of a breakdown in culture.

 

They even fabricated the KO game part.

 

Really?  Funny how it all ends up on somebodies video.



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 03:38 AM





Ever notice when a right wing nut does something bad, its an isolated incident that should not reflect on society as a whole, but if its someone from a any other ethnic background, its evidence of the breakdown in the social fabric?

 
I do hope that is not directed at me - even through subtlety.
 
I'm not even close to "right wing", but I'd like to see some evidence to support your assertion about "any other ethnic background". 
 
A great talking point, but can you back it up?


So we have another angry white supremacist kill three people and its an isolated incident that should not reflect on society as a whole.  But if we have a couple of black kids play the knock out game, its indicative of a breakdown in culture.


They even fabricated the KO game part.


 
Really?  Funny how it all ends up on somebodies video.


Turned out the videos of a half dozen incidents spanned several years and the entire country that had been strung together. Confirmation bias did the rest.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 04:38 AM


Ever notice when a right wing nut does something bad, its an isolated incident that should not reflect on society as a whole, but if its someone from a any other ethnic background, its evidence of the breakdown in the social fabric?

 
I do hope that is not directed at me - even through subtlety.
 
I'm not even close to "right wing", but I'd like to see some evidence to support your assertion about "any other ethnic background". 
 
A great talking point, but can you back it up?
So we have another angry white supremacist kill three people and its an isolated incident that should not reflect on society as a whole.  But if we have a couple of black kids play the knock out game, its indicative of a breakdown in culture.

And when the person is brown, it's an act of terrorism.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 06:55 AM

Turns out the victims of this White Supremacist Murderer were all Christians who volunteered and gave to their communities ...

 

http://www.nytimes.c...&pgtype=article

 

Could these racists get any more meaningless? And yet, membership in their organizations rise? Their public relations campaigns try to compare their agenda with just a Christian Identity version of the NAACP?

 

Between "isolated incident" and "nagging mess that won't go away" I think I'll choose the latter.



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:06 AM

I blame the gun for this tragic incident.  If only we had more gun laws, this kind of thing would never happen.



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 12:32 PM

I blame the gun for this tragic incident.  If only we had more gun laws, this kind of thing would never happen.


Well, his weapon of choice was the gun. why?

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 06:45 PM

I blame the gun for this tragic incident.  If only we had more gun laws, this kind of thing would never happen.

I blame lack of DNA testing.



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 06:51 PM



Ever notice when a right wing nut does something bad, its an isolated incident that should not reflect on society as a whole, but if its someone from a any other ethnic background, its evidence of the breakdown in the social fabric?

 
I do hope that is not directed at me - even through subtlety.
 
I'm not even close to "right wing", but I'd like to see some evidence to support your assertion about "any other ethnic background". 
 
A great talking point, but can you back it up?
So we have another angry white supremacist kill three people and its an isolated incident that should not reflect on society as a whole.  But if we have a couple of black kids play the knock out game, its indicative of a breakdown in culture.
And when the person is brown, it's an act of terrorism.
Unless its a Muslim mass shooter at an Army base, then it's not.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:05 PM

Which begs the question why aren't these events treated like a case of urban terrorism?



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:14 PM

I notice that someone has been conspicuously absent from this thread, and has not condemned these foul, cowardly, ignorant acts in any way shape or form.  We know what that means, don't we?  



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 09:38 PM

There are evil people in this world, who hate others because they are different, whether that difference comes from race, sex, country, religion, language, or sexual identity. I don't see anyone defending the creep who did this, so I don't really see a poltical point to it. It is a tragedy, no doubt. The world is better without people like him, no doubt about that either. I don't know that there is a lot else to say about it aside from that. The guy was a fringe character, who belonged to a fringe hate group, with a fringe religion, who had a hate filled heart, and decided to act on that hate. I don't expect this is the beginning of a trend, and I certainly would not want the feds to use something like this as an excuse to further restrict our rights to assembly, privacy, and free speech.



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 09:46 PM

There are evil people in this world, who hate others because they are different, whether that difference comes from race, sex, country, religion, language, or sexual identity. I don't see anyone defending the creep who did this, so I don't really see a poltical point to it. It is a tragedy, no doubt. The world is better without people like him, no doubt about that either. I don't know that there is a lot else to say about it aside from that. The guy was a fringe character, who belonged to a fringe hate group, with a fringe religion, who had a hate filled heart, and decided to act on that hate. I don't expect this is the beginning of a trend, and I certainly would not want the feds to use something like this as an excuse to further restrict our rights to assembly, privacy, and free speech.

Well, if we have learned anything around here in the last couple of days, it is that if you do not explicitly speak out against something, you condone it.  That makes the silence in this thread very alarming, and quite telling.  

 

It also means that almost all of us condone twerking, which I find disgusting.  

 

Does that make sense, or sound (for lack of a better turn of phrase), crazier than a shithouse rat?  



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 09:59 PM

There are evil people in this world, who hate others because they are different, whether that difference comes from race, sex, country, religion, language, or sexual identity. I don't see anyone defending the creep who did this, so I don't really see a poltical point to it. It is a tragedy, no doubt. The world is better without people like him, no doubt about that either. I don't know that there is a lot else to say about it aside from that. The guy was a fringe character, who belonged to a fringe hate group, with a fringe religion, who had a hate filled heart, and decided to act on that hate. I don't expect this is the beginning of a trend, and I certainly would not want the feds to use something like this as an excuse to further restrict our rights to assembly, privacy, and free speech.

Well, if we have learned anything around here in the last couple of days, it is that if you do not explicitly speak out against something, you condone it.  That makes the silence in this thread very alarming, and quite telling.  

 

It also means that almost all of us condone twerking, which I find disgusting.  

 

Does that make sense, or sound (for lack of a better turn of phrase), crazier than a shithouse rat?  

 

I must have missed the thread where that happened, and now must remember to thank God for one more blessing today. For the record, I have spoken out against twerking, so I am good to go there.



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:18 AM

I notice that someone has been conspicuously absent from this thread, and has not condemned these foul, cowardly, ignorant acts in any way shape or form.  We know what that means, don't we?  


Even the KKK and Aryan Nation have denounced this senseless violence.

OVERLAND PARK, Kan. — Some of the condemnation of Sunday’s violence comes from an unexpected source. Local representatives of the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Nation spoke out against the violence.
Both groups are active in Missouri, including locally in the metro. While Frazier Cross Jr. once affiliated himself with the KKK, representatives of both the KKK and the Aryan Nation were quick to separate themselves from the acts he’s accused of committing.
“We’re not out to do anything violent, we’re out here to protect ourselves,” explained metro resident Buddy Rumble.
Rumble is pro-white. He was affiliated with the National Socialist Movement when FOX 4 talked to him before a neo-Nazi rally in Kansas City last fall. On Monday Rumble explained he has since changed affiliations and is now part of the Aryan Nation.
He said both groups have similar non-violent missions.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 01:07 AM

The silence speaks volumes.  (about what, only the voices in the head will ever know....)  



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 01:39 AM

I notice that someone has been conspicuously absent from this thread, and has not condemned these foul, cowardly, ignorant acts in any way shape or form.  We know what that means, don't we?  


Even the KKK and Aryan Nation have denounced this senseless violence.
OVERLAND PARK, Kan. — Some of the condemnation of Sunday’s violence comes from an unexpected source. Local representatives of the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Nation spoke out against the violence.
Both groups are active in Missouri, including locally in the metro. While Frazier Cross Jr. once affiliated himself with the KKK, representatives of both the KKK and the Aryan Nation were quick to separate themselves from the acts he’s accused of committing.
“We’re not out to do anything violent, we’re out here to protect ourselves,” explained metro resident Buddy Rumble.
Rumble is pro-white. He was affiliated with the National Socialist Movement when FOX 4 talked to him before a neo-Nazi rally in Kansas City last fall. On Monday Rumble explained he has since changed affiliations and is now part of the Aryan Nation.
He said both groups have similar non-violent missions.

That's odd. Usually, the NRA and associated Aryan Nations groups do all they can to promote hatred and divisiveness. I'd think they would support these killings. Right, Mark?

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 01:54 AM



I notice that someone has been conspicuously absent from this thread, and has not condemned these foul, cowardly, ignorant acts in any way shape or form.  We know what that means, don't we?

Even the KKK and Aryan Nation have denounced this senseless violence.
OVERLAND PARK, Kan. — Some of the condemnation of Sunday’s violence comes from an unexpected source. Local representatives of the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Nation spoke out against the violence.
Both groups are active in Missouri, including locally in the metro. While Frazier Cross Jr. once affiliated himself with the KKK, representatives of both the KKK and the Aryan Nation were quick to separate themselves from the acts he’s accused of committing.
“We’re not out to do anything violent, we’re out here to protect ourselves,” explained metro resident Buddy Rumble.
Rumble is pro-white. He was affiliated with the National Socialist Movement when FOX 4 talked to him before a neo-Nazi rally in Kansas City last fall. On Monday Rumble explained he has since changed affiliations and is now part of the Aryan Nation.
He said both groups have similar non-violent missions.


That's odd. Usually, the NRA and associated Aryan Nations groups do all they can to promote hatred and divisiveness. I'd think they would support these killings. Right, Mark?


It's unclear if Ted supports the indiscriminate slaughter of what he deems to be subhumans, which his associated Nazi white supremacists called "untermenchen". "Associated" does not mean "exactly alike". In what world does calling another race subhuman not promote hatred and divisiveness? Can you name any other corporation besides the NRA that has a board member who calls other Americans subhuman?

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:05 AM

Subhuman mongrels is a term common to white supremacists. Mongrel being a mixed breed and sub human to indicate worth less than pure humanity.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:08 AM

It's unclear if Ted supports the indiscriminate slaughter of what he deems to be subhumans, which his associated Nazi white supremacists called "untermenchen". "Associated" does not mean "exactly alike". In what world does calling another race subhuman not promote hatred and divisiveness? Can you name any other corporation besides the NRA that has a board member who calls other Americans subhuman?

Some of the other Board members of the NRA - for your consideration Mark:

 

Oh wait: 

 

This guy must be self hating....

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http://www.meetthenr...r/ken-blackwell

 

Shit another one!!

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http://www.meetthenr...ember/roy-innis

 

Crap another one!

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Even Mark might know who this guy is...

http://www.meetthenr...ber/karl-malone

 

Dayum - we're in a tight spot. 



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:46 AM

Which begs the question why aren't these events treated like a case of urban terrorism?

Good point. Since this guy was plotting to kill Americans, Obama should have ordered a drone strike on his compound.



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 03:09 AM

The lack of condemnation speaks volumes.  

 

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 04:02 AM

I notice that someone has been conspicuously absent from this thread, and has not condemned these foul, cowardly, ignorant acts in any way shape or form.  We know what that means, don't we?  


Even the KKK and Aryan Nation have denounced this senseless violence.

OVERLAND PARK, Kan. — Some of the condemnation of Sunday’s violence comes from an unexpected source. Local representatives of the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Nation spoke out against the violence.
Both groups are active in Missouri, including locally in the metro. While Frazier Cross Jr. once affiliated himself with the KKK, representatives of both the KKK and the Aryan Nation were quick to separate themselves from the acts he’s accused of committing.
“We’re not out to do anything violent, we’re out here to protect ourselves,” explained metro resident Buddy Rumble.
Rumble is pro-white. He was affiliated with the National Socialist Movement when FOX 4 talked to him before a neo-Nazi rally in Kansas City last fall. On Monday Rumble explained he has since changed affiliations and is now part of the Aryan Nation.
He said both groups have similar non-violent missions.

 

This is the issue.

 

The KKK is growing in our area, taking on more members than ever, and they've refashioned themselves on nonviolent, a place for White Christians to find their identity.

 

Their history is clear, they are a hate group, a murder group, a torture group. How do we even accept their "distancing" themselves from this. They created this fucking nut by giving him an oasis of acceptance.

 

If someone started a local Al Quaeda chapter they would be imprisoned before they could mimeograph their first flier. But KKK? Aryan Nations? Christian Identity? Known terrorists, known murderer groups, known torture groups .. but not a peep from our law enforcement other than "we stopped keeping tabs on him"?

 

That's some double standard bullshit, no?



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 04:41 AM

 

I notice that someone has been conspicuously absent from this thread, and has not condemned these foul, cowardly, ignorant acts in any way shape or form.  We know what that means, don't we?  


Even the KKK and Aryan Nation have denounced this senseless violence.

OVERLAND PARK, Kan. — Some of the condemnation of Sunday’s violence comes from an unexpected source. Local representatives of the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Nation spoke out against the violence.
Both groups are active in Missouri, including locally in the metro. While Frazier Cross Jr. once affiliated himself with the KKK, representatives of both the KKK and the Aryan Nation were quick to separate themselves from the acts he’s accused of committing.
“We’re not out to do anything violent, we’re out here to protect ourselves,” explained metro resident Buddy Rumble.
Rumble is pro-white. He was affiliated with the National Socialist Movement when FOX 4 talked to him before a neo-Nazi rally in Kansas City last fall. On Monday Rumble explained he has since changed affiliations and is now part of the Aryan Nation.
He said both groups have similar non-violent missions.

 

This is the issue.

 

The KKK is growing in our area, taking on more members than ever, and they've refashioned themselves on nonviolent, a place for White Christians to find their identity.

 

Their history is clear, they are a hate group, a murder group, a torture group. How do we even accept their "distancing" themselves from this. They created this fucking nut by giving him an oasis of acceptance.

 

If someone started a local Al Quaeda chapter they would be imprisoned before they could mimeograph their first flier. But KKK? Aryan Nations? Christian Identity? Known terrorists, known murderer groups, known torture groups .. but not a peep from our law enforcement other than "we stopped keeping tabs on him"?

 

That's some double standard bullshit, no?

 

Welcome to the 1st Amendment.  You can thank the ACLU for this, as they would be screaming bloody murder to defend the KKK if LE so much as glanced their way. 



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 04:52 AM

 

 

I notice that someone has been conspicuously absent from this thread, and has not condemned these foul, cowardly, ignorant acts in any way shape or form.  We know what that means, don't we?  


Even the KKK and Aryan Nation have denounced this senseless violence.

OVERLAND PARK, Kan. — Some of the condemnation of Sunday’s violence comes from an unexpected source. Local representatives of the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Nation spoke out against the violence.
Both groups are active in Missouri, including locally in the metro. While Frazier Cross Jr. once affiliated himself with the KKK, representatives of both the KKK and the Aryan Nation were quick to separate themselves from the acts he’s accused of committing.
“We’re not out to do anything violent, we’re out here to protect ourselves,” explained metro resident Buddy Rumble.
Rumble is pro-white. He was affiliated with the National Socialist Movement when FOX 4 talked to him before a neo-Nazi rally in Kansas City last fall. On Monday Rumble explained he has since changed affiliations and is now part of the Aryan Nation.
He said both groups have similar non-violent missions.

 

This is the issue.

 

The KKK is growing in our area, taking on more members than ever, and they've refashioned themselves on nonviolent, a place for White Christians to find their identity.

 

Their history is clear, they are a hate group, a murder group, a torture group. How do we even accept their "distancing" themselves from this. They created this fucking nut by giving him an oasis of acceptance.

 

If someone started a local Al Quaeda chapter they would be imprisoned before they could mimeograph their first flier. But KKK? Aryan Nations? Christian Identity? Known terrorists, known murderer groups, known torture groups .. but not a peep from our law enforcement other than "we stopped keeping tabs on him"?

 

That's some double standard bullshit, no?

 

Welcome to the 1st Amendment.  You can thank the ACLU for this, as they would be screaming bloody murder to defend the KKK if LE so much as glanced their way. 

 

I support the work of the ACLU because they do what nobody else wants to do.

 

You know me a little bit, I don't believing in blaming the government as much as I do ourselves. The government is a reflection of us. (When I was a kid the KKK wanted to march in Skokie, Illinois and create a brouhaha that lasted for weeks.)

 

So, what I really wonder, and don't really understand, is why do WE accept this bullshit? Is it because this country was primarily formed by Christian Caucasians? Do we accept the KKK for the same reason that Pakistanis accept grudgingly accept radical Islamic fundamentalists living next to them?

 

I don't want the KKK or Christian Identity or Aryan Nations outlawed because that would give them teeth and vigor that they would otherwise not have. What I'm really trying to understand is why are they still so relatively popular? I want them to die from neglect and disinterest, but that isn't happening, and they're even more popular than when I was a kid and Alan Berg got shot in his driveway pretty close to our house.

 

Are they perhaps in their death throes now? Could this guy accidentally killing three Christians when he was trying to kill three Jews be the nail in their coffin? Or will we see a completely defanged, and inclusive KKK in the future that celebrates Caucasian culture and is perfectly harmless and has membership of Blacks, Jews and Asians? I know that's farfetched, but in my town the KKK now has open house potlucks and invites "everyone" to learn about them. Really, the idea of bunch of Black Jewish Homosexuals wearing rainbow hoods and laughing about the early days of the KKK when it was composed of racists is kind of funny to me, I can think of few things that would destroy the legacy of the KKK better than that.



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 05:44 AM

(When I was a kid the KKK wanted to march in Skokie, Illinois and create a brouhaha that lasted for weeks.)

 

I HATE Illinois Nazis!



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 06:34 AM

(When I was a kid the KKK wanted to march in Skokie, Illinois and create a brouhaha that lasted for weeks.)

 

I HATE Illinois Nazis!

 

Interesting. More than the other kind? What happened to you in Illinois?



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 06:59 AM

it's a Blues Brothers reference. 



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 07:44 AM

it's a Blues Brothers reference. 


Dammit KM, I was waiting for woofers to launch into his usual long winded diatribe about why IL nazis are really no different than CO nazis. And how this one time when he was in Lebanon as a UN peacekeeper reporting on the genocide in Brunai while he was delivering a parcel on his bike..... And how growing up out west in the mountains of the Bronx prepared him for his career as a PhD in Bovine Scatology.

You just HAD to go and fuck it up, didntja?

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 10:15 AM

"For many, the election of America’s first black president symbolizes the country’s changing demographics, with the loss of its white majority predicted by 2043. (In 2011, for the first time, non-white births outnumbered the births of white children.) But the backlash to that trend predates Obama’s presidency by many years. Between 2000 and 2010, the number of hate groups rose from 602 to more than 1,000, where the count remains today. Now that comprehensive immigration reform is poised to legitimize and potentially accelerate the country’s demographic change, the backlash to that change may accelerate as well.

While the number of hate groups remained essentially unchanged last year — going from 1,018 in 2011 to 1,007 in 2012 — the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) count of 1,360 Patriot groups in 2012 was up about 7% from the 1,274 active in 2011. And that was only the latest growth spurt in the Patriot movement, which generally believes that the federal government is conspiring to take Americans’ guns and destroy their liberties as it paves the way for a global “one-world government.” From a mere 149 organizations in 2008, the number of Patriot groups shot up to 512 in 2009, jumped again to 824 in 2010, and then skyrocketed to 1,274 in 2011 before hitting their all-time high last year."

 

 

 
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Posted 16 April 2014 - 11:10 AM

 

 

I notice that someone has been conspicuously absent from this thread, and has not condemned these foul, cowardly, ignorant acts in any way shape or form.  We know what that means, don't we?

Even the KKK and Aryan Nation have denounced this senseless violence.
OVERLAND PARK, Kan. — Some of the condemnation of Sunday’s violence comes from an unexpected source. Local representatives of the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Nation spoke out against the violence.
Both groups are active in Missouri, including locally in the metro. While Frazier Cross Jr. once affiliated himself with the KKK, representatives of both the KKK and the Aryan Nation were quick to separate themselves from the acts he’s accused of committing.
“We’re not out to do anything violent, we’re out here to protect ourselves,” explained metro resident Buddy Rumble.
Rumble is pro-white. He was affiliated with the National Socialist Movement when FOX 4 talked to him before a neo-Nazi rally in Kansas City last fall. On Monday Rumble explained he has since changed affiliations and is now part of the Aryan Nation.
He said both groups have similar non-violent missions.

 

That's odd. Usually, the NRA and associated Aryan Nations groups do all they can to promote hatred and divisiveness. I'd think they would support these killings. Right, Mark?

 

It's unclear if Ted supports the indiscriminate slaughter of what he deems to be subhumans, which his associated Nazi white supremacists called "untermenchen". "Associated" does not mean "exactly alike". In what world does calling another race subhuman not promote hatred and divisiveness? Can you name any other corporation besides the NRA that has a board member who calls other Americans subhuman?

 

The Motor City Madman's onstage rants may be unclear (and some of us don't even consider them official NRA policy), but it's perfectly clear that the Democratic Party precinct chair in Houston supports indiscriminate slaughter of NRA members. Can you name another corporation subjected to death threats by politicians?

 

Are clear death threats worse than unclear ones?



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 01:20 PM

The Motor City Madman's onstage rants may be unclear (and some of us don't even consider them official NRA policy), but it's perfectly clear that the Democratic Party precinct chair in Houston supports indiscriminate slaughter of NRA members. Can you name another corporation subjected to death threats by politicians?

 

Are clear death threats worse than unclear ones?

 

It is ok to call for the killing of people like me, since I am obviously a nazi and domestic terrrorist. You do hate terrorists and nazis, and love America don't you? Because if you do, you will call for killing me and people like me too.



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:02 PM

It is ok to call for the killing of people like me, since I am obviously a nazi and domestic terrrorist. You do hate terrorists and nazis, and love America don't you? Because if you do, you will call for killing me and people like me too.

 

Don't you love your country?  Then how about getting with the program? Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:08 PM

It is ok to call for the killing of people like me, since I am obviously a nazi and domestic terrrorist. You do hate terrorists and nazis, and love America don't you? Because if you do, you will call for killing me and people like me too.

 

Don't you love your country?  Then how about getting with the program? Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?

 

I fear it may be too late for me. Unrepentant racists and nazis like me have no place in the US, we must be eradicated for the greater good. Put us in a big circle and shoot us all, then melt down the guns and turn them into plowshares. The world will be better for it.



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:14 PM

I thought you guys didn't belong to the NRA?



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:21 PM

I thought you guys didn't belong to the NRA?

 

You have not been paying attention. I belong to the NRA, Tom and Jeff do not. 



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:30 PM

I do now. 



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:31 PM

I do now. 

Well then, have you made your appointment for your death panel?

 

Did you join before or after Ted Nugent was named to the board?  You will be judged by the company you keep.



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:32 PM

I do now. 

Well then, have you made your appointment for your death panel?

 

I thought you guys made those only for Obamacare? 



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:34 PM

 

I do now. 

Well then, have you made your appointment for your death panel?

 

I thought you guys made those only for Obamacare? 

They are very useful to weed out the weak in our society.  Stay healthy my friend.



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:38 PM

I think that's the goal and the key to the benefit plan. 



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:38 PM

 

 

Well then, have you made your appointment for your death panel?

 

 

I thought you guys made those only for Obamacare? 

They are very useful to weed out the weak in our society.  Stay healthy my friend.

 

That's funny coming from a fat man.....  :lol:



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 03:37 PM

The lack of condemnation speaks volumes.  

 

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 04:40 PM

I thought you guys didn't belong to the NRA?

 

You have not been paying attention. I belong to the NRA, Tom and Jeff do not. 

 

I do, however, volunteer for the local Friends of the NRA chapter. Oh, and I'm Facebook friends with the NRA's area field rep.

 

I'm thinking of joining just so Len and K don't feel so alone over in the haters' corner.



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 06:39 PM

The Motor City Madman's onstage rants may be unclear (and some of us don't even consider them official NRA policy), but it's perfectly clear that the Democratic Party precinct chair in Houston supports indiscriminate slaughter of NRA members. Can you name another corporation subjected to death threats by politicians?

 

Are clear death threats worse than unclear ones?

 

It is ok to call for the killing of people like me, since I am obviously a nazi and domestic terrrorist. You do hate terrorists and nazis, and love America don't you? Because if you do, you will call for killing me and people like me too.

 

 Think all the Nazi's were obsessed with mass murder?  Most were simply willing to tolerate those who were in their ranks is all.  



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 06:46 PM

 

 

 

I notice that someone has been conspicuously absent from this thread, and has not condemned these foul, cowardly, ignorant acts in any way shape or form.  We know what that means, don't we?

Even the KKK and Aryan Nation have denounced this senseless violence.
OVERLAND PARK, Kan. — Some of the condemnation of Sunday’s violence comes from an unexpected source. Local representatives of the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Nation spoke out against the violence.
Both groups are active in Missouri, including locally in the metro. While Frazier Cross Jr. once affiliated himself with the KKK, representatives of both the KKK and the Aryan Nation were quick to separate themselves from the acts he’s accused of committing.
“We’re not out to do anything violent, we’re out here to protect ourselves,” explained metro resident Buddy Rumble.
Rumble is pro-white. He was affiliated with the National Socialist Movement when FOX 4 talked to him before a neo-Nazi rally in Kansas City last fall. On Monday Rumble explained he has since changed affiliations and is now part of the Aryan Nation.
He said both groups have similar non-violent missions.

 

That's odd. Usually, the NRA and associated Aryan Nations groups do all they can to promote hatred and divisiveness. I'd think they would support these killings. Right, Mark?

 

It's unclear if Ted supports the indiscriminate slaughter of what he deems to be subhumans, which his associated Nazi white supremacists called "untermenchen". "Associated" does not mean "exactly alike". In what world does calling another race subhuman not promote hatred and divisiveness? Can you name any other corporation besides the NRA that has a board member who calls other Americans subhuman?

 

The Motor City Madman's onstage rants may be unclear (and some of us don't even consider them official NRA policy), but it's perfectly clear that the Democratic Party precinct chair in Houston supports indiscriminate slaughter of NRA members. Can you name another corporation subjected to death threats by politicians?

 

Are clear death threats worse than unclear ones?

 

    It's not his onstage rants as a musician, so much as it is his attempts to incite hatred for blacks by calling them subhuman while representing the NRA. 

 

 How does that help with gun safety and gun rights?  Why is this crap part of the NRA? 



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 06:57 PM

 Think all the Nazi's were obsessed with mass murder?  Most were simply willing to tolerate those who were in their ranks is all.  

 

I think I stated the same thing. I am a Nazi for being a member of the NRA, not because I actively engage in mass murder. Do I have that right?



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 07:52 PM

 Think all the Nazi's were obsessed with mass murder?  Most were simply willing to tolerate those who were in their ranks is all.  

 

I think I stated the same thing. I am a Nazi for being a member of the NRA, not because I actively engage in mass murder. Do I have that right?

 

 No, you are pretending I called you a Nazi so you may feel ignoring what I have stated is justified. You are merely a member of the NRA, someone who tolerates Ted Nugent in your affiliations.  



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 08:39 PM

 No, you simply are pretending I called you a Nazi so you may feel justified in dismissing me. What you are is a member of the NRA, someone who tolerates Ted Nugent.  

 

In what way do I tolerate him? There are polticians I don't like, and yet I don't renounce my citizenship. There are some decisions I don't like from US Sailing, however I don't cancel my membership there over those. My sailing club had a giant douchebag running the racing program, and well I actually did quit there. In general though, I try and change the organizations I join, not stomp my feet when I don't get my way and slam the door on the way out.

 

I have no need to feel justified in dismissing you, in fact I am not dismissing you, simply disagreeing with you. I don't feel that you are being fair in the way you characterize NRA members. There are five million of us and that number is growing. Some of us are Republican, some Democrat, some white, some black, some latino, some straight, some gay. The common ground we share is that we engage in some aspect of gun ownership and shooting. There are plenty of good people who remained members of the NAACP after they ran Bruce Gordon out of town on a rail. In fact, I was one of them, although I did allow my membership to expire.



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 10:02 PM

 No, you simply are pretending I called you a Nazi so you may feel justified in dismissing me. What you are is a member of the NRA, someone who tolerates Ted Nugent.  

 

In what way do I tolerate him? There are polticians I don't like, and yet I don't renounce my citizenship. There are some decisions I don't like from US Sailing, however I don't cancel my membership there over those. My sailing club had a giant douchebag running the racing program, and well I actually did quit there. In general though, I try and change the organizations I join, not stomp my feet when I don't get my way and slam the door on the way out.

 

I have no need to feel justified in dismissing you, in fact I am not dismissing you, simply disagreeing with you. I don't feel that you are being fair in the way you characterize NRA members. There are five million of us and that number is growing. Some of us are Republican, some Democrat, some white, some black, some latino, some straight, some gay. The common ground we share is that we engage in some aspect of gun ownership and shooting. There are plenty of good people who remained members of the NAACP after they ran Bruce Gordon out of town on a rail. In fact, I was one of them, although I did allow my membership to expire.

 

C'mon - we're all white supremacists. It confirms every bigoted thought Mark has (which apparently quite a few - his bigotry covers a lot of ground). 



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 10:38 PM

 
Don't you love your country?  Then how about getting with the program? Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?


Cripes Jeff!

All I've ever asked of you was to obey my orders as the word of The Almighty. We are here to help SA, because inside every American there is a Sailing Anarchist trying to get out.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 10:50 PM

 No, you simply are pretending I called you a Nazi so you may feel justified in dismissing me. What you are is a member of the NRA, someone who tolerates Ted Nugent.  

 

In what way do I tolerate him? There are polticians I don't like, and yet I don't renounce my citizenship. There are some decisions I don't like from US Sailing, however I don't cancel my membership there over those. My sailing club had a giant douchebag running the racing program, and well I actually did quit there. In general though, I try and change the organizations I join, not stomp my feet when I don't get my way and slam the door on the way out.

 

I have no need to feel justified in dismissing you, in fact I am not dismissing you, simply disagreeing with you. I don't feel that you are being fair in the way you characterize NRA members. There are five million of us and that number is growing. Some of us are Republican, some Democrat, some white, some black, some latino, some straight, some gay. The common ground we share is that we engage in some aspect of gun ownership and shooting. There are plenty of good people who remained members of the NAACP after they ran Bruce Gordon out of town on a rail. In fact, I was one of them, although I did allow my membership to expire.

 

 Have you given any thought to just how creepy the NRA would have to become before you would stop sending them your money? 



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 11:24 PM

 

Ever notice when a right wing nut does something bad, its an isolated incident that should not reflect on society as a whole, but if its someone from a any other ethnic background, its evidence of the breakdown in the social fabric?

 

I do hope that is not directed at me - even through subtlety.

 

I'm not even close to "right wing", but I'd like to see some evidence to support your assertion about "any other ethnic background". 

 

A great talking point, but can you back it up?

So we have another angry white supremacist kill three people and its an isolated incident that should not reflect on society as a whole.  But if we have a couple of black kids play the knock out game, its indicative of a breakdown in culture.

 

Yes.  And I truly believe that.  If you don't get the difference, I pitty you. 



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 11:33 PM

 

The Motor City Madman's onstage rants may be unclear (and some of us don't even consider them official NRA policy), but it's perfectly clear that the Democratic Party precinct chair in Houston supports indiscriminate slaughter of NRA members. Can you name another corporation subjected to death threats by politicians?

 

Are clear death threats worse than unclear ones?

 

    It's not his onstage rants as a musician, so much as it is his attempts to incite hatred for blacks by calling them subhuman while representing the NRA. 

 

 How does that help with gun safety and gun rights?  Why is this crap part of the NRA? 

 


I'll take that as a "no, I can't name another corporation subjected to such death threats." Why don't Democrats drive Mr. Cobarruvias from the Party?

 

I'm not sure how to take your failure to answer my question about whether the NAACP is right about "Stop and Frisk" being divisive. I think they are.

 

Ted helps gun rights more than I have ever seen you help, despite his many flaws and statements I can't support. Your hatred for the NRA predates his statement, as does your apparent hostility toward private gun ownership. He's just your latest anti-gun hobby horse.



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 11:37 PM


 


Ever notice when a right wing nut does something bad, its an isolated incident that should not reflect on society as a whole, but if its someone from a any other ethnic background, its evidence of the breakdown in the social fabric?

 
I do hope that is not directed at me - even through subtlety.
 
I'm not even close to "right wing", but I'd like to see some evidence to support your assertion about "any other ethnic background". 
 
A great talking point, but can you back it up?
So we have another angry white supremacist kill three people and its an isolated incident that should not reflect on society as a whole.  But if we have a couple of black kids play the knock out game, its indicative of a breakdown in culture.
 
Yes.  And I truly believe that.  If you don't get the difference, I pitty you. 
RD........I'm having trouble seeing the difference. Help me through that.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 11:55 PM

 

 

The Motor City Madman's onstage rants may be unclear (and some of us don't even consider them official NRA policy), but it's perfectly clear that the Democratic Party precinct chair in Houston supports indiscriminate slaughter of NRA members. Can you name another corporation subjected to death threats by politicians?

 

Are clear death threats worse than unclear ones?

 

    It's not his onstage rants as a musician, so much as it is his attempts to incite hatred for blacks by calling them subhuman while representing the NRA. 

 

 How does that help with gun safety and gun rights?  Why is this crap part of the NRA? 

 


I'll take that as a "no, I can't name another corporation subjected to such death threats." Why don't Democrats drive Mr. Cobarruvias from the Party?

 

I'm not sure how to take your failure to answer my question about whether the NAACP is right about "Stop and Frisk" being divisive. I think they are.

 

Ted helps gun rights more than I have ever seen you help, despite his many flaws and statements I can't support. Your hatred for the NRA predates his statement, as does your apparent hostility toward private gun ownership. He's just your latest anti-gun hobby horse.

 

Thanks for sharing. So...how does inciting racial hatreds help to preserve gun rights? 



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 01:18 AM

BUMP for Mark - he thinks the NRA is full of racists. Just like the Democratic Party tells him.

 

 

Oh wait: 

 

This guy must be self hating....

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http://www.meetthenr...r/ken-blackwell

 

Shit another one!!

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http://www.meetthenr...ember/roy-innis

 

Crap another one!

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Even Mark might know who this guy is...

http://www.meetthenr...ber/karl-malone

 

Dayum - we're in a tight spot. 



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 01:30 AM

BUMP for Mark - he thinks the NRA is full of racists. Just like the Democratic Party tells him.

 

The NRA is full of racists, but no more so than the ACLU.

I'm a racist, you're a racist. Accept that so that you can reach inside of yourself every chance you get and keep pulling out the weeds of racism as they grow.

Yes, I'm a Lefty, but the Democratic Party didn't teach that to me, it was George Orwell and Tupac. And it's truth. We're racist because we're products of a world built on exploitation.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 01:40 AM

BUMP for Mark - he thinks the NRA is full of racists. Just like the Democratic Party tells him.

 

The NRA is full of racists, but no more so than the ACLU.

I'm a racist, you're a racist. Accept that so that you can reach inside of yourself every chance you get and keep pulling out the weeds of racism as they grow.

Yes, I'm a Lefty, but the Democratic Party didn't teach that to me, it was George Orwell and Tupac. And it's truth. We're racist because we're products of a world built on exploitation.

 

 How many corporate officers of the ACLU have called a black man subhuman? Do you think that if one did he or she might be at least chastised for it? We have open support for Ted here from his fanboi's.  What would happen to Ted if he called a Jew subhuman? 

 

 No more false equivalence bullshit. He called a black man subhuman and still has his job.  Some of his fanboi's here are desperately trying to miscast that as saying all NRA'ers are racists. What I am saying is all NRA members who are aware of and are capable of grasping the meaning of Ted's statement who remain members while Ted is there are either racists or sheeple. 



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 02:26 AM

BUMP for Mark - he thinks the NRA is full of racists. Just like the Democratic Party tells him.

 

 

Oh wait: 

 

This guy must be self hating....

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http://www.meetthenr...r/ken-blackwell

 

Shit another one!!

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http://www.meetthenr...ember/roy-innis

 

Crap another one!

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Even Mark might know who this guy is...

http://www.meetthenr...ber/karl-malone

 

Dayum - we're in a tight spot. 

I wonder if Ted uses the term Subhuman Mongrel in the boardroom when addressing these fellow board members.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 02:46 AM



 Think all the Nazi's were obsessed with mass murder?  Most were simply willing to tolerate those who were in their ranks is all.  

 
I think I stated the same thing. I am a Nazi for being a member of the NRA, not because I actively engage in mass murder. Do I have that right?
 
 No, you are pretending I called you a Nazi so you may feel ignoring what I have stated is justified. You are merely a member of the NRA, someone who tolerates Ted Nugent in your affiliations.  
That would be like saying all Americans tolerate you because you are American. Same logic exactly, just transpose the word American for NRA.

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 03:05 AM

 

 



 Think all the Nazi's were obsessed with mass murder?  Most were simply willing to tolerate those who were in their ranks is all.  

 
I think I stated the same thing. I am a Nazi for being a member of the NRA, not because I actively engage in mass murder. Do I have that right?
 
 No, you are pretending I called you a Nazi so you may feel ignoring what I have stated is justified. You are merely a member of the NRA, someone who tolerates Ted Nugent in your affiliations.  
That would be like saying all Americans tolerate you because you are American. Same logic exactly, just transpose the word American for NRA.

 If nations were but gun clubs. 



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 04:40 AM

 How many corporate officers of the ACLU have called a black man subhuman? Do you think that if one did he or she might be at least chastised for it? We have open support for Ted here from his fanboi's.  What would happen to Ted if he called a Jew subhuman? 

 

First off, I like Nugent as a personality, I never knew any of this stuff about him until you started posting it here, what I saw was just weird, it's like he has spotlight disease and needs to keep talking nonsense to get into the newspapers.

 

I'm 100% sure that the folks in the ACLU are 100% more politically correct and considerate than guys like Ted Nugent. But that's not the point. Regardless our intentions, if we convince ourselves that we're not racist, not classist, then we've lost the battle, because the really nasty stuff sneaks in. I've met a few people in my life whom seem to have been raised in such a gentle, accepting way that they're genuinely not racist. But those folks are incredible minorities.

 

I can say "I'm not racist," but it isn't true, my life is built on racism and exploitation, I see the world that way, I can't help it. All I can do is keep pulling out the weeds until I die and do my best not to pass it on to other people.

 

Here's an example Mark ... I needed a cassette player to listen to some old tapes, but the one I have stopped working. So I go to the Goodwill store to see if they have one, because Radio Shack has one, but it's like $70 for a piece of junk. As soon as I walk in the Goodwill store, I start muttering to myself "get me the fuck out of here" and "what the fuck is that smell, it smells like poverty" and all I wanted to do was leave. Yes, I saw a perfectly functional cassette deck in there, but I didn't buy it because I just wanted to get out of there.

 

So please tell me Mark, what the fuck kind of bullshit hatred is inside of me that I can donate bags and bags of stuff to Goodwill but I can't go in there to buy something? Answer ... YES, I'm that much of a racist, classist, ASSHOLE. What I need to do now is go back there and buy something I don't need, every day for a week until I have broken that nasty thing inside of me. I need to be able to walk into the Goodwill and not judge the place, or the people in there.

 

So yeah, I would never say the kind of bullshit like The Nuge, and yes, I'm a tree-hugging Lefty, but on some level, it's all artifice, isn't it Mark? I'm as much of a racist as Ted Nugent, maybe even more because mine is buried so deep into my cells. I can't shop in the Goodwill because that doesn't put money into the Corporate Machine like buying new does, I'm built with that in my bones, and I need to break it.

 

Those are the two things I learned from George Orwell and Tupac ... our hatred is a bindweed, and both black and white are smoking crack tonight.

 

 No more false equivalence bullshit. He called a black man subhuman and still has his job.  Some of his fanboi's here are desperately trying to miscast that as saying all NRA'ers are racists. What I am saying is all NRA members who are aware of and are capable of grasping the meaning of Ted's statement who remain members while Ted is there are either racists or sheeple. 

 

Yeah, Nugent is an ass, but he's a halfway entertaining guitarist in my opinion. Not in the top twenty, but okay.

 

And then, so what? I'm going to judge Nugent? I have so much work that I need to do on my own racism and classism, what's the point of judging some idiot whom I'll never even meet when I can make an actual difference in the person over which I have more control than anyone on Earth?

 

I can't change Nugent, but I can change me.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 05:01 AM

 Ted is on the board of directors of the NRA and was kept in place after he called a Jew subhuman and then refused to apologize to Jews for saying so, Mike.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 You get it now?  



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 05:16 AM

Sub human is a human that lives in a submarine, since few jews serve in the US Navy it must be a lie.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 05:29 AM

 Ted is on the board of directors of the NRA and was kept in place after he called a Jew subhuman and then refused to apologize to Jews for saying so, Mike.

 


Can you post a link to his comment?  When and where did he say it? 



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 05:53 AM

 Ted is on the board of directors of the NRA and was kept in place after he called a Jew subhuman and then refused to apologize to Jews for saying so, Mike.

 


Can you post a link to his comment?  When and where did he say it? 

 

I'm not Mark, but here, you can skip to 2:50 or so ...

 



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 06:02 AM

 Ted is on the board of directors of the NRA and was kept in place after he called a Jew subhuman and then refused to apologize to Jews for saying so, Mike.

 

 You get it now?  

 

I got it without you needing to bring Jews into the argument, I don't know why you feel that Jews are going to somehow going to make me see things the way you want.

 

So the NRA asks Nugent to leave, or not, or he apologizes, or not. How does it change anything for me? I couldn't stand breathing the air in the Goodwill store ... that's a problem with me and something I have within my power to correct. Worrying about The Nuge over my own deficiencies would be like me putting petitioning for more Smokey the Bear funds while my house is on fire.

 

I'm okay with Nugent being on the NRA, because I don't feel the organization really represents the ideals of The Constitution anyway, given their sellout negotiation with campaign finance. Screw 'em. I'll support the CMP before those guys, the First is just as important as the Second, in fact more so to me and the NRA seems blind to the First. So Nugent stays on the NRA then it just further marginalizes them. Fine with me.

 

Meh.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 06:46 AM

 Ted is on the board of directors of the NRA and was kept in place after he called a Jew subhuman and then refused to apologize to Jews for saying so, Mike.

 

 You get it now?  

 

I got it without you needing to bring Jews into the argument, I don't know why you feel that Jews are going to somehow going to make me see things the way you want.

 

So the NRA asks Nugent to leave, or not, or he apologizes, or not. How does it change anything for me? I couldn't stand breathing the air in the Goodwill store ... that's a problem with me and something I have within my power to correct. Worrying about The Nuge over my own deficiencies would be like me putting petitioning for more Smokey the Bear funds while my house is on fire.

 

I'm okay with Nugent being on the NRA, because I don't feel the organization really represents the ideals of The Constitution anyway, given their sellout negotiation with campaign finance. Screw 'em. I'll support the CMP before those guys, the First is just as important as the Second, in fact more so to me and the NRA seems blind to the First. So Nugent stays on the NRA then it just further marginalizes them. Fine with me.

 

Meh.

 

   If you are not part or never intend to be part of the NRA until they ditch the White Supremacy BS we are in agreement. 



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 07:07 AM

   If you are not part or never intend to be part of the NRA until they ditch the hick fascism we are in agreement. 

 

Back in the day I gave/bought small amounts or donated advertising for/from from NRA, Amnesty, Greenpeace, ACLU, NRDC, some animal rights and vegan groups, World Wildlife Fund, Atomic Scientists and some others. I didn't see any incongruity in that mix.

 

Now, with the exception of Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, I don't see my participation as too valuable for any of them, "hick fascism" or not. When my son gets older, if he's interested in marksmanship (the older kids haven't shown an interest) then we'll probably do the CMP. The NRA is just a political mess, like marrying into the Mafia to get a bowl of spaghetti. I can't see them changing anytime soon, they're making too much money with their current razzle-dazzle, and it just isn't interesting to me.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 09:14 AM

So...how does inciting racial hatreds help to preserve gun rights? 

 


The same way that calling for the killing of NRA members does.

 

Certain people are guilty of excessive rhetoric, and if you want to only talk about those people and what they said, I'm not that interested. Maybe we could talk about other things those people have done in their lives? Or maybe even ideas and principles, ignoring the loudmouths on both sides, instead of just ignoring one side as you are doing.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 10:10 AM

 Have you given any thought to just how creepy the NRA would have to become before you would stop sending them your money? 

 

I don't find the NRA particularly creepy. I do not like WLP, and do not like Ted, but they are not all there is to the NRA. I appreciate a lot of what they do. They are the standard for firearms training and certification. They do a lot of good work with safety programs and with hunting and conservation groups. They also do a fair amount of lobbying, and, more often than not, I agree with them on the issues they lobby for. So to answer your question, I have not thought about it. I don't know what would cause me to leave the NRA. I am technically still a democrat, and I still own an iphone despite the treatment of the people who build them, so probably a lot. I may not approve of everything a group does, and still be a part of them. 



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 10:31 AM

How many corporate officers of the ACLU have called a black man subhuman? Do you think that if one did he or she might be at least chastised for it? We have open support for Ted here from his fanboi's.  What would happen to Ted if he called a Jew subhuman? 
 
 No more false equivalence bullshit. He called a black man subhuman and still has his job.  Some of his fanboi's here are desperately trying to miscast that as saying all NRA'ers are racists. What I am saying is all NRA members who are aware of and are capable of grasping the meaning of Ted's statement who remain members while Ted is there are either racists or sheeple.

 

Who would the fanbois be? As far as I can tell, the only person who has expressed admiration for him is Mike. I am fully half the admitted NRA members here, and I do not like him at all. What little I have heard of him leads me to believe he is a loudmouth self promoting jerk with no integrity, someone who will say anything to get ahead or get attention. I would prefer he is not on the board of the NRA, but his presence is not going to cause me to stomp my feet and leave. I do not believe that makes me a racist or sheeple, but understand you do.

 

I know you believe that Ted is a racist, and I have not argued that point since I really know nothing about him, but I think it is possible to call someone subhuman out of anger without intending it as racist. In fact, I know it is possible since I have seen that and worse said about GWB and Cheney on Dkos back when GWB was still president. I don't think I have used the term subhuman, but I there have been times where I have accused someone of being inhuman scum and having no soul. I am not saying he is a racist, and I am not saying he is not, I am just saying that the one word you are focused on would not alone convince me he is a racist.

 

The NAACP have had racists and bigots in their org in the past, and likely still now, but I don't think that makes their members racists or sheeple. I think there could be good reasons to continue a membership with the NAACP despite having disagreements with some of the people they have in positions of power, and despite disagreeing with some of their statements.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 10:36 AM

..They also do a fair amount of lobbying, and, more often than not, I agree with them on the issues they lobby for. ...

 

Dude! How rude! You brought up issues they lobby for! That's totally not fair play in a race-baiting discussion about a person!



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 10:54 AM

"OzarksFirst.com reached out to Marionville, Missouri, residents who knew Cross and while most of the community objected to his actions, they were not surprised. Unfortunately, Marionville Mayor Don Clevenger said he agreed with many of Cross's views:

Marionville Mayor Daniel Clevenger says he once called Cross his friend, and has known the man since the early 90s, having done automotive work for him.

"It's really not much of a surprise that he would do something like that, knowing how much hate was built up in him," Mayor Clevenger said.

Mayor Clevenger took office last Thursday, and says that the "hatred" harbored inside of Cross may stem from his time served in Vietnam.

"They pretty much force race relations on you," according to Clevenger.

Clevenger says he doesn’t condone the actions of his former friend, but says he does agree, in part, with some of the views Cross has.

"Just about these corporations that are ruing this country, pretty much destroying us," says Clevenger referring to part of the Jewish race.

"The industries that I talk about are run by Jews, that's nothing that he understands, because he doesn't believe any of that stuff.  But that probably might have been what cause him to do that," said Clevenger."



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 11:30 AM

So Mark interprets an angry political comment about the President to be indicative that the utterer is a racist, and thus an indication that every person who shares membership in an organization with that individual is a white supremacist.  Got it.  



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 11:40 AM

So Mark interprets an angry political comment about the President to be indicative that the utterer is a racist, and thus an indication that every person who shares membership in an organization with that individual is a white supremacist.  Got it.  

It was an angry political comment wrapped in white supremacist racist terminology.  Subhuman Mongrel is a racist term.  No way around that.  So the utterer is a white supremacist racist.  And he's a leader of an organization.  That casts aspersions on their asparagus.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 12:04 PM

So Mark interprets an angry political comment about the President to be indicative that the utterer is a racist, and thus an indication that every person who shares membership in an organization with that individual is a white supremacist.  Got it.  

 

We could be sheeple too.

 

It is interesting to note, that the guy who actually gives Ted a paycheck and 30 minutes a week on television to promote himself is none other than Leo Hinderey, a wealthy Democrat and Obama supporter. Which raises an interesting question, is Obama a racist or a sheeple?



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 12:31 PM

So Mark interprets an angry political comment about the President to be indicative that the utterer is a racist, and thus an indication that every person who shares membership in an organization with that individual is a white supremacist.  Got it.  

It was an angry political comment wrapped in white supremacist racist terminology.  Subhuman Mongrel is a racist term.  No way around that.  So the utterer is a white supremacist racist.  And he's a leader of an organization.  That casts aspersions on their asparagus.

 

I like mine sauteed w/olive oil , garlic, and just a little balsamic vinegar.

 

Getting back to the OP -  there's no way that the actions of this person, or anyone who behaves like him can be anything but condemned.  We are free to think and say almost anything we want for any reasons we deem personally appropriate. Acting upon those feelings to cause personal harm to another individual is crossing the line. 



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 12:57 PM

Any organization that endorses a man who holds those values by granting him a leadership role, by the mere fact that they continue to give him a leadership role, then must endorse his views.

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 01:04 PM

Lots of intolerance for intolerance here.
As well as intolerance for intolerance for intolerance.

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 01:08 PM

Intolerable.  



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 01:11 PM

There's plenty of tolerance going around. The NRA membership is tolerant of racists in their leadership.

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 03:49 PM

So Mark interprets an angry political comment about the President to be indicative that the utterer is a racist, and thus an indication that every person who shares membership in an organization with that individual is a white supremacist.  Got it.  

 

  "Subhuman" IS racist, that is indisputable. I have dealt with the lie that calling the management of the organization racist is calling all the the members racist through the entire conversation, nevertheless my comments and opinions will probably be miscast by some of these folks forever. You are joining the conversation near it's end. Want to see how I got dragged into this check out post #26 and read down from there. 



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 03:52 PM

So Mark interprets an angry political comment about the President to be indicative that the utterer is a racist, and thus an indication that every person who shares membership in an organization with that individual is a white supremacist.  Got it.  

 

  "Subhuman" IS racist, that is indisputable. I have dealt with the lie that calling the management of the organization racist is calling all the the members racist through the entire conversation, nevertheless my comments and opinions will probably be miscast by some of these folks forever. You are joining the conversation near it's end. Want to see how I got dragged into this check out post #26 and read down from there. 

 

We might just be sheeple and not racist, right?



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 03:54 PM

 

So Mark interprets an angry political comment about the President to be indicative that the utterer is a racist, and thus an indication that every person who shares membership in an organization with that individual is a white supremacist.  Got it.  

 

  "Subhuman" IS racist, that is indisputable. I have dealt with the lie that calling the management of the organization racist is calling all the the members racist through the entire conversation, nevertheless my comments and opinions will probably be miscast by some of these folks forever. You are joining the conversation near it's end. Want to see how I got dragged into this check out post #26 and read down from there. 

 

We might just be sheeple and not racist, right?

 As I have mentioned before, perhaps unable to grasp the issue. IOW, just plain stupid.  



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 03:55 PM

 Or just stupid. 

 

I thought that would have been implied in being a sheeple. So which am I?



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 03:59 PM

 Or just stupid. 

 

I thought that would have been implied in being a sheeple. So which am I?

  You tell me. 



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 04:04 PM

 

 Or just stupid. 

 

I thought that would have been implied in being a sheeple. So which am I?

  You tell me. 

 

If I had to select one of those options, I would guess I am a stupid sheeple. After all I did vote for Obama twice. If it were an option, I would say I am sometimes too loyal, too patient, too trusting, too idealistic, and too optimistic. That would explain how I am still a member of the NRA as well as how I came to vote for Obama twice, and I still get to pretend I am not a stupid sheeple. Alas, that is not an option.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 04:08 PM

 

 

 Or just stupid. 

 

I thought that would have been implied in being a sheeple. So which am I?

  You tell me. 

 

If I had to select one of those options, I would guess I am a stupid sheeple. After all I did vote for Obama twice. If it were an option, I would say I am sometimes too loyal, too patient, too trusting, too idealistic, and too optimistic. That would explain how I am still a member of the NRA as well as how I came to vote for Obama twice, and I still get to pretend I am not a stupid sheeple. Alas, that is not an option.

 

 If you can't stay on the subject of Ted's unapologetic racism not being condemned by the NRA...



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 04:15 PM

 If you can't stay on the subject of Ted's unapologetic racism not being condemned by the NRA...

 

There is not a lot to say about it. I don't condone it. I think they should get rid of him. My disapproval is not going to make me quit the NRA, it has prompted me to write them and let them know how I feel. If Leo Hinderey keeps him on staff, and Obama still kisses Leo's ass, I figure I should be able to keep my NRA membership and not be a racist or sheeple. You seem to want me to either quit the NRA or be upset at being a sheeple. Neither is going to happen. I have been called worse things than a sheeple when I was knocking on doors for Obama, so I am kind of used to it now. I also voted for Obama twice, and so am now getting used to the idea that I am not as bright as I once thought I was.






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