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#1 jackdaw

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 03:05 PM

Sadly one dead.

 

http://sanfrancisco....oia-yacht-club/

 

The press is having a field day with the fact that the event is called 'beer can racing', as they found that term on the YC calendar. Betcha a lot of clubs quietly drop any reference to that.

 

 



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 03:13 PM

GOD  Wtf happened?



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 03:44 PM

I can just picture our local state water police 'patrolling' our Wed night racing.  Damn.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 03:46 PM

I can just picture our local state water police 'patrolling' our Wed night racing.  Damn.

Any chance you can teach them to RC while they're out there anyways?



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 04:16 PM

It sure would be nice if Californians would stop running into things, like Islands and Buoys or anything else that can be avoided, which is everything.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 04:28 PM

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Picture used in the Sacramento KCRA article. Catalina 42? I think they used a shot from the Camilla Cup.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 04:29 PM

Well, this will probably a long thread inhabited by the usual suspects - yup; damn. Too early to tell what the heck actually happened. I don't think many clubs use "beer can racing" in their vernacular or published that way. bcr is a unformal phrase makes up the lore.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 04:47 PM

22894346.jpg

Picture used in the Sacramento KCRA article. Catalina 42? I think they used a shot from the Camilla Cup.

 

What? That's got sails.

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We're lucky they didn't throw in a stock photo of a Glock.

Because "kill" and "glock" are always used together.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 05:01 PM

Yea that Tuna is gonna kill someone...  Maybe with the massive outboard, but yea, it could happen......  



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 05:07 PM

In DAGO hitting a Kan is in and of it's self = No Big Deal (Rules/Enforcement wise)

 

Almost every summer I get Pix of people fending off BIG HEAVY STEAL markers with arms and legs

 

I have NEVER even heard of   much   any structural damage from hitting one but I can see where one slip and a person could get crushed inbetween

 

Wondering just what happened in this case ?????????????????  Tragic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 05:11 PM

well according to the article linked..

 

The mast of the 42-foot Catalina, named the Bella, snapped after the sailboat hit a lighted channel marker shortly before 7 p.m., said Coast Guard spokesman Lt. Mark Leahey.

 

are those  the telephone pole stationary ones or a floating buoy?



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 05:28 PM

It's still plenty light out at 7PM now.  Redwood City channel marks are almost all tall phone-pole style daymarks. 



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 05:43 PM

Well, this will probably a long thread inhabited by the usual suspects - yup; damn. Too early to tell what the heck actually happened. I don't think many clubs use "beer can racing" in their vernacular or published that way. bcr is a unformal phrase makes up the lore.

 

Called "Beer Can Series" here in Dago:

http://www.cortezracing.com/index.html



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 06:46 PM

It's still plenty light out at 7PM now.  Redwood City channel marks are almost all tall phone-pole style daymarks. 

 

 

interesting to know what the hell happened... obviously not being used for a mark, no club is that stupid.. besides other boats couldn't go help because it wasn't deep enough..  so how do you just run into it?  it's only about 10" -12" in diameter, it's like avoiding a lobster pot.. 



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 06:49 PM

I race regularly out of Sequoia YC on their Wednesday evening series.  In the summer (not yet) we start in 15 knots and it builds normally to 20-25 by the end.  Right now it's 10/15.

 

Navigating out of the Redwood City ship channel is an important and continuing demand on attention, especially close to the channel markers, which are bloody great posts.  You don't want to go too close, mainly since the the Bay is pretty dynamic, and the charted depths close to the edges are not too reliable.

 

Sad to hear of this one.  And especially since the man who died was a pick-up crew.  Very much part of the SYC ethos is picking up newbies and taking them out for a fine sail on the Bay - I'd hate to see this go away.  Let's keep the regulators out of this.  Ugh.........



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 06:54 PM

The pole style markers are known for bringing down rigs when you hook rigging on them. I've seen it happen a few times. Chances are they hooked rigging on the pole and the rig coming down hit some folks.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 07:19 PM

Those sneaky marks just jump out at ya- at 4.2 knots... From a mile away...

Fucking tragic stupidity-

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 07:21 PM

The pole style markers are known for bringing down rigs when you hook rigging on them. I've seen it happen a few times. Chances are they hooked rigging on the pole and the rig coming down hit some folks.


Wow. Is there nothing you haven't seen or done? We are so blessed to have you posting here.

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 07:43 PM

It's still plenty light out at 7PM now.  Redwood City channel marks are almost all tall phone-pole style daymarks. 

 

 

interesting to know what the hell happened... obviously not being used for a mark, no club is that stupid.. besides other boats couldn't go help because it wasn't deep enough..  so how do you just run into it?  it's only about 10" -12" in diameter, it's like avoiding a lobster pot.. 

 

Not from around here are ya Bouy

 

( FYI - USCG doesn't set Club Floaties )

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 07:46 PM

 

It's still plenty light out at 7PM now.  Redwood City channel marks are almost all tall phone-pole style daymarks. 

 

 

interesting to know what the hell happened... obviously not being used for a mark, no club is that stupid.. besides other boats couldn't go help because it wasn't deep enough..  so how do you just run into it?  it's only about 10" -12" in diameter, it's like avoiding a lobster pot.. 

 

Not from around here are ya Bouy

He lives in a place where the bottom drops low enough for every boat to pass, where floating garbage doesn't stink, the water does not move and affect boats......................... Nope I think he's posting from a far remote planet we have yet to discover.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 07:50 PM

 

 

It's still plenty light out at 7PM now.  Redwood City channel marks are almost all tall phone-pole style daymarks. 

 

 

interesting to know what the hell happened... obviously not being used for a mark, no club is that stupid.. besides other boats couldn't go help because it wasn't deep enough..  so how do you just run into it?  it's only about 10" -12" in diameter, it's like avoiding a lobster pot.. 

 

Not from around here are ya Bouy

He lives in a place where the bottom drops low enough for every boat to pass, where floating garbage doesn't stink, the water does not move and affect boats......................... Nope I think he's posting from a far remote planet we have yet to discover.

 

 

he should have been correct as I believe GOV Marks are not allowed to be used (But that was long ago)



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 07:56 PM

Unless there is other "press" I don't see them having a field day, they simply mentioned the name of the race. Cooler heads may wait till they have more info...



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 08:00 PM

Most of the races I do around here use government marks, including pole-type daymarks.    The only prohibition on government marks is that you not tie up to them.

 

I looked at the chart, all the channel marks are pole type, and 12 feet tall.



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 08:01 PM

You can see the type of navigation marks at 4 min in.

http://youtu.be/pckyKDwMy0k?t=4m



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 08:35 PM

 

 

 

It's still plenty light out at 7PM now.  Redwood City channel marks are almost all tall phone-pole style daymarks. 

 

 

interesting to know what the hell happened... obviously not being used for a mark, no club is that stupid.. besides other boats couldn't go help because it wasn't deep enough..  so how do you just run into it?  it's only about 10" -12" in diameter, it's like avoiding a lobster pot.. 

 

Not from around here are ya Bouy

He lives in a place where the bottom drops low enough for every boat to pass, where floating garbage doesn't stink, the water does not move and affect boats......................... Nope I think he's posting from a far remote planet we have yet to discover.

 

 

he should have been correct as I believe GOV Marks are not allowed to be used (But that was long ago)

Hey wood only restriction is that you can't tied up to them. If you cant use marks for rounding points then I'm pretty sure the purpose of having marks marking corners of channels and such would be pretty useless ;-)



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 08:40 PM

I can just picture our local state water police 'patrolling' our Wed night racing.  Damn.

Any chance you can teach them to RC while they're out there anyways?

 

I doubt they are bright enough. But they do have very cool Jet Ski's.



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Posted 18 April 2014 - 12:00 AM

They hit a channel marker on the way out. These are the multiple telephone pole day markers. They were in the channel area and tacked too late and and hooked the marker. This brought the rig down and caused the injury and death.

 

We race there every Wednesday with the Yacht Club. It's a sad day here.



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Posted 18 April 2014 - 01:45 AM

Rare that a dismasting leads directly to a fatality, but it does certainly happen. Couple years back one of the off-the-beach catamarans sailing off Waikiki lost the rig and it also took the life of a passenger struck by the mast. Big heavy stuff overhead - the Spar of Damocles.

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 02:19 AM

They hit a channel marker on the way out. These are the multiple telephone pole day markers. They were in the channel area and tacked too late and and hooked the marker. This brought the rig down and caused the injury and death.

 

We race there every Wednesday with the Yacht Club. It's a sad day here.

wow...not even racing...and a pick up crew..sad.



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Posted 18 April 2014 - 02:20 AM

I have sailed and done the Wednesday night races out of the Redwood City marina and channel many times over the years.  To add to what F-18 said - it is a narrow channel, with daymarkers lining it.  If you get up to the windward side and point like mad you can almost make it all the way out on port, but usually have to tack once or twice.  To make life more exciting sometimes there's large ships and tugs going in or out, the center of the channel is dredged but go beyond the line between markers and you'll run aground - sometimes instantly, sometimes not.  So you have port tackers going down the length of the channel, starboard tackers crossing it, and shallow mud on with big tall steel markers on either side.  You have to keep situational awareness.

 

What a tragedy - I never would have imagined not coming home from a beer can race, but after this I think everyone is thinking "that could have been me."  My condolences to the family of the deceased, the crew, and everyone at Sequoia YC.  (BTW Sequoia YC has been a great supporter of junior sailing for many years, they are good people.)



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Posted 18 April 2014 - 02:23 AM

As long as I can remember they have been called "Wet Wednesday Races" on our area.



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Posted 18 April 2014 - 04:53 AM

Normally when a rig comes down, it falls to leeward. And the crew is to windward. forestay goes or it breaks at the spreaders. The exception is in a collision or a snag on something. in those cases they can get dragged down in any direction. Like into the cockpit.



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Posted 18 April 2014 - 05:54 AM

Sadly one dead.

 

http://sanfrancisco....oia-yacht-club/

 

The press is having a field day with the fact that the event is called 'beer can racing', as they found that term on the YC calendar. Betcha a lot of clubs quietly drop any reference to that.

 

I agree that particular race/series description will shortly be history.

I spent nine years running team practices, races and regattas on Redwood Creek. The visualization I get when reading the story is chilling because I can picture the venue all too well.

RIP 



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Posted 19 April 2014 - 07:52 AM

Latitude 38 report here:

http://www.latitude3...18#.U1IqdPldWSo

Could the ebb actually be that strong there? The chart shows a foot of water outside the channel. Besides, a ebb would be pushing the boat away from #5 right?



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Posted 20 April 2014 - 08:57 PM

When I moved here from the east coast, in my first race I clipped a nice steel government mark. Did my turns, and fixed the gel coat. in many cases -- the ebb can be violent and unforgiving. You can't take your eyes off for a second in close quarters with stationary objects.



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Posted 21 April 2014 - 05:04 PM

When I moved here from the east coast, in my first race I clipped a nice steel government mark. Did my turns, and fixed the gel coat. in many cases -- the ebb can be violent and unforgiving. You can't take your eyes off for a second in close quarters with stationary objects.

I'm fully aware of the effect currents have on boats. I'm simply questioning that the ebb could have been strong at that location (as stated in the article). I've never even been in the channel. However, looking at the chart, it doesn't seem there could be enough water volume to create a strong ebb that would push a 42 foot boat into a day marker. Anybody who has actually sailed there have thoughts?



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Posted 21 April 2014 - 05:56 PM

When I moved here from the east coast, in my first race I clipped a nice steel government mark. Did my turns, and fixed the gel coat. in many cases -- the ebb can be violent and unforgiving. You can't take your eyes off for a second in close quarters with stationary objects.

I'm fully aware of the effect currents have on boats. I'm simply questioning that the ebb could have been strong at that location (as stated in the article). I've never even been in the channel. However, looking at the chart, it doesn't seem there could be enough water volume to create a strong ebb that would push a 42 foot boat into a day marker. Anybody who has actually sailed there have thoughts?

Um yes anywhere in SF Bay your incoming or out going flow can easily put you into a mark before you realize that you were in trouble 5 minutes earlier and just didn't see the slow speed crash in progress. This happened during a full moon too -- hence big tide changes so yes if they had flow it could have easily caught them off guard and put them up against the marker before they realized they were in trouble.



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Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:27 PM

The pole style markers are known for bringing down rigs when you hook rigging on them. I've seen it happen a few times. Chances are they hooked rigging on the pole and the rig coming down hit some folks.

Happens with floating marks in the bay as well. This pulled into KKMI on a sad July 4th day in 2012. Close encounter with a mark.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:39 PM

 

When I moved here from the east coast, in my first race I clipped a nice steel government mark. Did my turns, and fixed the gel coat. in many cases -- the ebb can be violent and unforgiving. You can't take your eyes off for a second in close quarters with stationary objects.

I'm fully aware of the effect currents have on boats. I'm simply questioning that the ebb could have been strong at that location (as stated in the article). I've never even been in the channel. However, looking at the chart, it doesn't seem there could be enough water volume to create a strong ebb that would push a 42 foot boat into a day marker. Anybody who has actually sailed there have thoughts?

Um yes anywhere in SF Bay your incoming or out going flow can easily put you into a mark before you realize that you were in trouble 5 minutes earlier and just didn't see the slow speed crash in progress. This happened during a full moon too -- hence big tide changes so yes if they had flow it could have easily caught them off guard and put them up against the marker before they realized they were in trouble.

Um... first, not all SF Bay tides (currents) are created equally. Tides in the South bay are generally milder than in the North. No mystery, simply less water volume. Hopefully, you realize that tides generally diminish as you get closer to shore (again, less water volume). This boat was almost ON shore! In addition, as I read the chart, if it had any effect, a ebb would have pushed the boat away from this mark, not towards it.  I was asking anyone that is familiar with the channel for specific feedback, not generalities.

1. Do strong ebbs occur in this channel?

2. If so, wouldn't a ebb push the boat away from this mark?
The boat was on Port tack, the mark was to Starboard. I'm guessing that they simply didn't see or lost track of the mark as it was to leeward. Just a guess, but it makes more sense to me than a strong tide affecting them at this location.



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:54 PM

Not likely...

 

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:55 PM

Actually South bay water volume paired with shallow depth creates lots of flow doesn't matter where you are in SF bay you have tidal conditions to be aware of. If you sailed on a lake that had a stable level 90% of the time your argument would be valid but the SF BAY is not a lake.

 

This is especially true in the shallower areas like south bay where you stick to channels which turn into tidal rivers when the shallows empty and fill. So yes even more so in the South Bay during a Full moon your sailors keeping to marked channels will have some good tidal action to keep tabs on.



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 10:15 PM

Actually South bay water volume paired with shallow depth creates lots of flow doesn't matter where you are in SF bay you have tidal conditions to be aware of. If you sailed on a lake that had a stable level 90% of the time your argument would be valid but the SF BAY is not a lake.

 

This is especially true in the shallower areas like south bay where you stick to channels which turn into tidal rivers when the shallows empty and fill. So yes even more so in the South Bay during a Full moon your sailors keeping to marked channels will have some good tidal action to keep tabs on.

Maybe during New moons as well. They are called spring tides dickwit. Shit I forgot. You know everything.



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Posted 30 April 2014 - 05:12 AM

Not likely...

 

attachicon.gifBeer Can Racing 2014 half.jpg

I'm a little suspicious. That head is either really stiff or its been touched up. Seems like some of the cream would be blown off.



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Posted 30 April 2014 - 08:05 PM

It's been a lot of years, but I used to sail my Lightning out of Redwood City on occasion... same 5' draft as my 4ksb.

Yes, the channel is narrow, the water outside is thin, and the mud is so soft, you barely notice a grounding, but with a CB boat, it wasn't too horrible. I believe the other skippers when they say they were concerned about depth - especially since it was a falling tide. When sailing the south bay, you live by the moon, not the sun.

The calendar shows a full moon on 4/15/14

Looking at the tide table for 4/16/14, and correcting for the location I get:
Hi tide: 14:45 6.8 ft (Redwood city is +2.1 ft hi, +0.1 ft low, and about an hour later than the gate)
Lo tide: 20:46 1.9 ft - A 5 foot swing

Max Ebb at the gate: on 4/16/14 - 17:56, 3.2 Knots
Ebb at Redwood city; Same time and about half that max current.

So, at ~5pm, when they were heading out, it was basically max ebb of almost 2 knots - and given the height range above, I suspect it may have been more locally... i.e. in the channel.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 08:27 PM

It's been a lot of years, but I used to sail my Lightning out of Redwood City on occasion... same 5' draft as my 4ksb.

Yes, the channel is narrow, the water outside is thin, and the mud is so soft, you barely notice a grounding, but with a CB boat, it wasn't too horrible. I believe the other skippers when they say they were concerned about depth - especially since it was a falling tide. When sailing the south bay, you live by the moon, not the sun.

The calendar shows a full moon on 4/15/14

Looking at the tide table for 4/16/14, and correcting for the location I get:
Hi tide: 14:45 6.8 ft (Redwood city is +2.1 ft hi, +0.1 ft low, and about an hour later than the gate)
Lo tide: 20:46 1.9 ft - A 5 foot swing

Max Ebb at the gate: on 4/16/14 - 17:56, 3.2 Knots
Ebb at Redwood city; Same time and about half that max current.

So, at ~5pm, when they were heading out, it was basically max ebb of almost 2 knots - and given the height range above, I suspect it may have been more locally... i.e. in the channel.

YEP.. 2+ knots easily which could have been nearly half of what the boats speed was through the water. Meaning it wouldn't take much to get wrapped around a marker before you knew that you were headed for trouble.






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