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#1 Happy Jack

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 03:38 AM

The reports are preliminary and confused but there is a report that an armed CC permit holder engaged and wounded two people that had just ambushed and executed two police officers in a fast food place and a third woman at walmart but were confronted and wounded by an armed citizen before they could continue their rampage.

 

Anyone hear more about the Las vegas shooting today?



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 03:46 AM

Check Point Break's thread from a few hours ago. Looks like pussies shot each other at the end....

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 04:26 AM

cc person got capped



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 01:35 PM

The reports are preliminary and confused but there is a report that an armed CC permit holder engaged and wounded two people that had just ambushed and executed two police officers in a fast food place and a third woman at walmart but were confronted and wounded by an armed citizen before they could continue their rampage.

 

Anyone hear more about the Las vegas shooting today?

One of the officers was able to fire back during the ambush, Gillespie said. The assailants then took the officers' ammunition and reportedly ran inside the Wal-Mart on Nellis Boulevard between Charleston Boulevard and Stewart Avenue. A number of responding officers followed the suspects into the store, McMahill said.

There, the assailants shot and killed at least one person inside the front door of the store. They exchanged gunfire with police inside the store before the female suspect shot the male suspect and then killed herself.

McMahill described the assailants' lives ending an an "apparent suicide pact."

Once again, hope springs eternal with Jack, but in the end its just fantasy.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 01:59 PM

So, it looks like the answer to the question posed by Hypocrisy Jack© in the OP is - "No".



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 02:05 PM

So, it looks like the answer to the question posed by Hypocrisy Jack© in the OP is - "No".

Its the thought that counts.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 02:09 PM

Are we talking about the guy in Seattle who used pepper spray to take down a crazed killer?

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 02:10 PM

So, it looks like the answer to the question posed by Hypocrisy Jack© in the OP is - "No".

Its the thought that counts.

 

But, you gotta give Hypocrisy Jack© points for consistency.

 

He often starts threads with a disingenuous premise, or an outright lie, nestled in some sort of question or vague language.  That way he can weasel out of it when someone points out the trolling effort.

 

The only thing this thread is missing is an an attempt to blame Obama.

 

HJ has no shame.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 02:18 PM

Thanks Obama!



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 02:25 PM

HJ has no shame.

That's a key identifier of a classic narcissist.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 03:31 PM

News report I heard this AM said CC. holder confronted assailants wounding oneor both. HJ may be on to same report.

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 03:50 PM

News report I heard this AM said CC. holder confronted assailants wounding oneor both. HJ may be on to same report.

 

Anything credible to back up this "report", or is it just hearsay?



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 04:05 PM

News report I heard this AM said CC. holder confronted assailants wounding oneor both. HJ may be on to same report.

 

Anything credible to back up this "report", or is it just hearsay?

All I can say is I heard similar info on a news report this AM? Having heard it does: A) not make it true or false, b. ) not make HJs post a flight of fantasy.  Just sayin'



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 04:53 PM

It sounds like the typical early reporting of "facts" that are pure speculation and rumor in the wake of a sensational event.  Nothing I've read so far even makes a hint at that happening.  So until something does come out about it, I will discount it as the usual media rushing a story to press with no fucking idea what actually occurred.  They have to say something to fill up air time and saying "We have no idea what happened yet, the situation is too fluid and chaotic" doesn't sell ads.

 

That never happens, right?



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 06:31 PM

It sounds like the typical early reporting of "facts" that are pure speculation and rumor in the wake of a sensational event.  Nothing I've read so far even makes a hint at that happening.  So until something does come out about it, I will discount it as the usual media rushing a story to press with no fucking idea what actually occurred.  They have to say something to fill up air time and saying "We have no idea what happened yet, the situation is too fluid and chaotic" doesn't sell ads.
 
That never happens, right?

. The civilian killed at Walmart had a CW and was engaged with the male killer didnt know the girl was with him and she shot him in the side. Just heard that on FOX.

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 06:43 PM

It sounds like the typical early reporting of "facts" that are pure speculation and rumor in the wake of a sensational event.  Nothing I've read so far even makes a hint at that happening.  So until something does come out about it, I will discount it as the usual media rushing a story to press with no fucking idea what actually occurred.  They have to say something to fill up air time and saying "We have no idea what happened yet, the situation is too fluid and chaotic" doesn't sell ads.
 
That never happens, right?

. The civilian killed at Walmart had a CW and was engaged with the male killer didnt know the girl was with him and she shot him in the side. Just heard that on FOX.

 

Interesting.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 07:08 PM


It sounds like the typical early reporting of "facts" that are pure speculation and rumor in the wake of a sensational event.  Nothing I've read so far even makes a hint at that happening.  So until something does come out about it, I will discount it as the usual media rushing a story to press with no fucking idea what actually occurred.  They have to say something to fill up air time and saying "We have no idea what happened yet, the situation is too fluid and chaotic" doesn't sell ads.
 
That never happens, right?

. The civilian killed at Walmart had a CW and was engaged with the male killer didnt know the girl was with him and she shot him in the side. Just heard that on FOX.
 
Interesting.
reported at the press conference so it is firming up.

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 07:42 PM

 

 


It sounds like the typical early reporting of "facts" that are pure speculation and rumor in the wake of a sensational event.  Nothing I've read so far even makes a hint at that happening.  So until something does come out about it, I will discount it as the usual media rushing a story to press with no fucking idea what actually occurred.  They have to say something to fill up air time and saying "We have no idea what happened yet, the situation is too fluid and chaotic" doesn't sell ads.
 
That never happens, right?

. The civilian killed at Walmart had a CW and was engaged with the male killer didnt know the girl was with him and she shot him in the side. Just heard that on FOX.
 
Interesting.
reported at the press conference so it is firming up.

 

From the Fox News website - http://www.foxnews.c...e-supremacists/

 

The duo then left the restaurant and walked over to a nearby Walmart, where Jared Miller fired a shot into the air and told people to get out, shouting that it was “a revolution,” McMahill said.

Bystander Joseph Robert Wilcox, 31, who was carrying a concealed weapon inside the store, spotted Jared Miller and told a friend he would confront him, according to authorities. As he neared Jared, he was shot in the ribs by Amanda and later died, McMahill said.

Gillespie called the death “completely senseless.”

 

Let's look at the OP by Hypocrisy Jack© - "The reports are preliminary and confused but there is a report that an armed CC permit holder engaged and wounded two people that had just ambushed and executed two police officers in a fast food place and a third woman at walmart but were confronted and wounded by an armed citizen before they could continue their rampage."

 

Based on the Fox report, it sounds nmore like this guy felt he was up to the job of playing Wyatt Earp and paid a hefty price.  Shitty that he died.  But he did choose to engage with armed maniacs.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 07:48 PM

 

 

 


It sounds like the typical early reporting of "facts" that are pure speculation and rumor in the wake of a sensational event.  Nothing I've read so far even makes a hint at that happening.  So until something does come out about it, I will discount it as the usual media rushing a story to press with no fucking idea what actually occurred.  They have to say something to fill up air time and saying "We have no idea what happened yet, the situation is too fluid and chaotic" doesn't sell ads.
 
That never happens, right?

. The civilian killed at Walmart had a CW and was engaged with the male killer didnt know the girl was with him and she shot him in the side. Just heard that on FOX.
 
Interesting.
reported at the press conference so it is firming up.

 

From the Fox News website - http://www.foxnews.c...e-supremacists/

 

The duo then left the restaurant and walked over to a nearby Walmart, where Jared Miller fired a shot into the air and told people to get out, shouting that it was “a revolution,” McMahill said.

Bystander Joseph Robert Wilcox, 31, who was carrying a concealed weapon inside the store, spotted Jared Miller and told a friend he would confront him, according to authorities. As he neared Jared, he was shot in the ribs by Amanda and later died, McMahill said.

Gillespie called the death “completely senseless.”

 

Let's look at the OP by Hypocrisy Jack© - "The reports are preliminary and confused but there is a report that an armed CC permit holder engaged and wounded two people that had just ambushed and executed two police officers in a fast food place and a third woman at walmart but were confronted and wounded by an armed citizen before they could continue their rampage."

 

Based on the Fox report, it sounds nmore like this guy felt he was up to the job of playing Wyatt Earp and paid a hefty price.  Shitty that he died.  But he did choose to engage with armed maniacs.

..and bought some amount of time for all the others, not Wyatt Earp, selfless action.  These reports do not yet indicate whether he drew his weapon or not or whether he fired or not. Did his action cause the assailants to go to Plan B?



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 08:22 PM

 

 

reported at the press conference so it is firming up.

 

From the Fox News website - http://www.foxnews.c...e-supremacists/

 

The duo then left the restaurant and walked over to a nearby Walmart, where Jared Miller fired a shot into the air and told people to get out, shouting that it was “a revolution,” McMahill said.

Bystander Joseph Robert Wilcox, 31, who was carrying a concealed weapon inside the store, spotted Jared Miller and told a friend he would confront him, according to authorities. As he neared Jared, he was shot in the ribs by Amanda and later died, McMahill said.

Gillespie called the death “completely senseless.”

 

Let's look at the OP by Hypocrisy Jack© - "The reports are preliminary and confused but there is a report that an armed CC permit holder engaged and wounded two people that had just ambushed and executed two police officers in a fast food place and a third woman at walmart but were confronted and wounded by an armed citizen before they could continue their rampage."

 

Based on the Fox report, it sounds nmore like this guy felt he was up to the job of playing Wyatt Earp and paid a hefty price.  Shitty that he died.  But he did choose to engage with armed maniacs.

..and bought some amount of time for all the others, not Wyatt Earp, selfless action.  These reports do not yet indicate whether he drew his weapon or not or whether he fired or not. Did his action cause the assailants to go to Plan B?

 

Yes, but it's so much fun for the assholes to mock someone who takes action in the face of adversity.  He paid a price but it was apparently enough to make the idiots kill themselves.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 08:24 PM

They also have egg on their face by instantly deciding HJ was full of it. Now the well his OP doesn't line up with the exact circumstances. I wonder of any of them will offer an apology. Something they demand of him regularly. :).

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 08:27 PM

 

 

 

 

. The civilian killed at Walmart had a CW and was engaged with the male killer didnt know the girl was with him and she shot him in the side. Just heard that on FOX.
 
Interesting.
reported at the press conference so it is firming up.

 

From the Fox News website - http://www.foxnews.c...e-supremacists/

 

The duo then left the restaurant and walked over to a nearby Walmart, where Jared Miller fired a shot into the air and told people to get out, shouting that it was “a revolution,” McMahill said.

Bystander Joseph Robert Wilcox, 31, who was carrying a concealed weapon inside the store, spotted Jared Miller and told a friend he would confront him, according to authorities. As he neared Jared, he was shot in the ribs by Amanda and later died, McMahill said.

Gillespie called the death “completely senseless.”

 

Let's look at the OP by Hypocrisy Jack© - "The reports are preliminary and confused but there is a report that an armed CC permit holder engaged and wounded two people that had just ambushed and executed two police officers in a fast food place and a third woman at walmart but were confronted and wounded by an armed citizen before they could continue their rampage."

 

Based on the Fox report, it sounds nmore like this guy felt he was up to the job of playing Wyatt Earp and paid a hefty price.  Shitty that he died.  But he did choose to engage with armed maniacs.

..and bought some amount of time for all the others, not Wyatt Earp, selfless action.  These reports do not yet indicate whether he drew his weapon or not or whether he fired or not. Did his action cause the assailants to go to Plan B?

 

Well, the OP suggests he not only drew his weapon, but actively engaged the pair - and even wounded them both.

 

I have bolded the portion about how Hypocrisy Jack© did his usual schtick.  Has anyone seen any reports that this guy got off a shot?



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 08:43 PM

 

 


 

From the Fox News website - http://www.foxnews.c...e-supremacists/

 

The duo then left the restaurant and walked over to a nearby Walmart, where Jared Miller fired a shot into the air and told people to get out, shouting that it was “a revolution,” McMahill said.

Bystander Joseph Robert Wilcox, 31, who was carrying a concealed weapon inside the store, spotted Jared Miller and told a friend he would confront him, according to authorities. As he neared Jared, he was shot in the ribs by Amanda and later died, McMahill said.

Gillespie called the death “completely senseless.”

 

Let's look at the OP by Hypocrisy Jack© - "The reports are preliminary and confused but there is a report that an armed CC permit holder engaged and wounded two people that had just ambushed and executed two police officers in a fast food place and a third woman at walmart but were confronted and wounded by an armed citizen before they could continue their rampage."

 

Based on the Fox report, it sounds nmore like this guy felt he was up to the job of playing Wyatt Earp and paid a hefty price.  Shitty that he died.  But he did choose to engage with armed maniacs.

..and bought some amount of time for all the others, not Wyatt Earp, selfless action.  These reports do not yet indicate whether he drew his weapon or not or whether he fired or not. Did his action cause the assailants to go to Plan B?

 

Well, the OP suggests he not only drew his weapon, but actively engaged the pair - and even wounded them both.

 

I have bolded the portion about how Hypocrisy Jack© did his usual schtick.  Has anyone seen any reports that this guy got off a shot?

 

Why worry about what HJ said ?  You were the one who tossed Wyatt Earp into the mix.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 08:48 PM

Didn't you know Wyatt Earp formed the tea party.

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 08:53 PM

"The reports are preliminary and confused"

Translated into English, that means that Simple Jack is about to pinch off a log of hot stinky Malarkey.

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:01 PM

So Jack goes off half cocked (pun intended)  in his rush to be the center of attention not bothering to read any threads here including the apropos  one by PB who is always thoughtful and insightful and NOT an attention whore and whoa, the usual suspects start defending him.

 

good times.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:03 PM

So Jack goes off half cocked (pun intended)  in his rush to be the center of attention not bothering to read any threads here including the apropos  one by PB who is always thoughtful and insightful and NOT an attention whore and whoa, the usual suspects start defending him.
 
good times.

rather the usual subjects attacked the threaf poster in the usual manner. Head over to that other thread BL has gone off the deep end linking millions of Americans to the killers yet you guys are getting your jollies nitpicking another HJ thread.

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:04 PM

And then TM and the Minister show Dumb Dumb some sweet love.

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:06 PM

 

 

 


 

From the Fox News website - http://www.foxnews.c...e-supremacists/

 

The duo then left the restaurant and walked over to a nearby Walmart, where Jared Miller fired a shot into the air and told people to get out, shouting that it was “a revolution,” McMahill said.

Bystander Joseph Robert Wilcox, 31, who was carrying a concealed weapon inside the store, spotted Jared Miller and told a friend he would confront him, according to authorities. As he neared Jared, he was shot in the ribs by Amanda and later died, McMahill said.

Gillespie called the death “completely senseless.”

 

Let's look at the OP by Hypocrisy Jack© - "The reports are preliminary and confused but there is a report that an armed CC permit holder engaged and wounded two people that had just ambushed and executed two police officers in a fast food place and a third woman at walmart but were confronted and wounded by an armed citizen before they could continue their rampage."

 

Based on the Fox report, it sounds nmore like this guy felt he was up to the job of playing Wyatt Earp and paid a hefty price.  Shitty that he died.  But he did choose to engage with armed maniacs.

..and bought some amount of time for all the others, not Wyatt Earp, selfless action.  These reports do not yet indicate whether he drew his weapon or not or whether he fired or not. Did his action cause the assailants to go to Plan B?

 

Well, the OP suggests he not only drew his weapon, but actively engaged the pair - and even wounded them both.

 

I have bolded the portion about how Hypocrisy Jack© did his usual schtick.  Has anyone seen any reports that this guy got off a shot?

 

Why worry about what HJ said ?  You were the one who tossed Wyatt Earp into the mix.

 

So, you don't care to answer the question, eh?  Figures.

 

Amazing how we have been told a law-abiding citizen with a CCW will end this kind of stuff.  But, that may not always be the case.

 

Do you think Wilcox would have "engaged" with the pair if he didn't have a weapon?  I am willing to bet he felt empowered and truly believed he could make a difference.  That is selfless.

 

But, he turned out to be wrong.  Dead wrong.  Thoughts and prayers for the families of the officers and Mr. Wilcox.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:08 PM

So Jack goes off half cocked (pun intended)  in his rush to be the center of attention not bothering to read any threads here including the apropos  one by PB who is always thoughtful and insightful and NOT an attention whore and whoa, the usual suspects start defending him.
 
good times.

rather the usual subjects attacked the threaf poster in the usual manner. Head over to that other thread BL has gone off the deep end linking millions of Americans to the killers yet you guys are getting your jollies nitpicking another HJ thread.

 

Hypocrisy Jack© has a history of trolling attempts like this.  Starts a thread with a lie or misleading headline.  Of course he is going to be roundly mocked for it.  Deservedly so, IMHO.

 

As for BL, well, watching him unravel in that other thread is pretty sad.  Kinda like watching a train wreck in slow motion.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:10 PM

 

 

Well, the OP suggests he not only drew his weapon, but actively engaged the pair - and even wounded them both.

 

I have bolded the portion about how Hypocrisy Jack© did his usual schtick.  Has anyone seen any reports that this guy got off a shot?

What I heard early AM suggested he did get a shot off. Apologize to HJ. As always confirmed details come out slow in these situations. Often a non attributed comment is made (leaked) to the press, facebook or your aunt Matilda, and spreads rapidly. Yet the best source here today is scorned and ridiculed . As alway, from the left, Attack the messenger!!



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:10 PM

They also have egg on their face by instantly deciding HJ was full of it. Now the well his OP doesn't line up with the exact circumstances. I wonder of any of them will offer an apology. Something they demand of him regularly. :).

 

As for an apology - please note the first entry in my sig lines, below.  I know how to apologize, when necessary.  I am also man enough to do so, in a public way.

 

Hypocrisy Jack© continually labels folks "liars" in these threads and has yet to man up and apologize when he is wrong.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:12 PM

 

 

Well, the OP suggests he not only drew his weapon, but actively engaged the pair - and even wounded them both.

 

I have bolded the portion about how Hypocrisy Jack© did his usual schtick.  Has anyone seen any reports that this guy got off a shot?

What I heard early AM suggested he did get a shot off. Apologize to HJ. As always confirmed details come out slow in these situations. Often a non attributed comment is made (leaked) to the press, facebook or your aunt Matilda, and spreads rapidly. Yet the best source here today is scorned and ridiculed . As alway, from the left, Attack the messenger!!

 

What is the "best source here today"?

 

Surely not Happylarkey.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:14 PM

So, you don't care to answer the question, eh?  Figures.

 

Amazing how we have been told a law-abiding citizen with a CCW will end this kind of stuff.  But, that may not always be the case.

 

Do you think Wilcox would have "engaged" with the pair if he didn't have a weapon?  I am willing to bet he felt empowered and truly believed he could make a difference.  That is selfless.

 

But, he turned out to be wrong.  Dead wrong.  Thoughts and prayers for the families of the officers and Mr. Wilcox.

Always ready to pretend what others think.  Since you're "willing" you may as well pony up and go ask him!



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:15 PM

They also have egg on their face by instantly deciding HJ was full of it. Now the well his OP doesn't line up with the exact circumstances. I wonder of any of them will offer an apology. Something they demand of him regularly. :).

 

As for an apology - please note the first entry in my sig lines, below.  I know how to apologize, when necessary.  I am also man enough to do so, in a public way.

 

Hypocrisy Jack© continually labels folks "liars" in these threads and has yet to man up and apologize when he is wrong.

Time to add another sig line, don't you think?



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:18 PM

So, you don't care to answer the question, eh?  Figures.

 

Amazing how we have been told a law-abiding citizen with a CCW will end this kind of stuff.  But, that may not always be the case.

 

Do you think Wilcox would have "engaged" with the pair if he didn't have a weapon?  I am willing to bet he felt empowered and truly believed he could make a difference.  That is selfless.

 

But, he turned out to be wrong.  Dead wrong.  Thoughts and prayers for the families of the officers and Mr. Wilcox.

Always ready to pretend what others think.  Since you're "willing" you may as well pony up and go ask him!

 

His actions speak pretty clearly about his feelings.  Certainly not afraid to confront.  So, I will go with he "felt empowered".

 

"Always ready to pretend what others think"?  Not really.  

 

But, I can't ask him.  He got himself shot and killed by engaging with an armed lunatic.  All we are left with is our own interpretations.  You have yours.  I have mine.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:18 PM

 

 

 

Well, the OP suggests he not only drew his weapon, but actively engaged the pair - and even wounded them both.

 

I have bolded the portion about how Hypocrisy Jack© did his usual schtick.  Has anyone seen any reports that this guy got off a shot?

What I heard early AM suggested he did get a shot off. Apologize to HJ. As always confirmed details come out slow in these situations. Often a non attributed comment is made (leaked) to the press, facebook or your aunt Matilda, and spreads rapidly. Yet the best source here today is scorned and ridiculed . As alway, from the left, Attack the messenger!!

 

What is the "best source here today"?

 

Surely not Happylarkey.

HJ was the firstest with the mostest, the next 9 posts were mostly drivel.  Did you get any on you?



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:20 PM

 

So, you don't care to answer the question, eh?  Figures.

 

Amazing how we have been told a law-abiding citizen with a CCW will end this kind of stuff.  But, that may not always be the case.

 

Do you think Wilcox would have "engaged" with the pair if he didn't have a weapon?  I am willing to bet he felt empowered and truly believed he could make a difference.  That is selfless.

 

But, he turned out to be wrong.  Dead wrong.  Thoughts and prayers for the families of the officers and Mr. Wilcox.

Always ready to pretend what others think.  Since you're "willing" you may as well pony up and go ask him!

 

His actions speak pretty clearly about his feelings.  Certainly not afraid to confront.  So, I will go with he "felt empowered".

 

"Always ready to pretend what others think"?  Not really.  

 

But, I can't ask him.  He got himself shot and killed by engaging with an armed lunatic.  All we are left with is our own interpretations.  You have yours.  I have mine.

You can ask him, an honorable person would make good on "I am willing to bet" statements. Finish your will and get to it.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:21 PM

 

They also have egg on their face by instantly deciding HJ was full of it. Now the well his OP doesn't line up with the exact circumstances. I wonder of any of them will offer an apology. Something they demand of him regularly. :).

 

As for an apology - please note the first entry in my sig lines, below.  I know how to apologize, when necessary.  I am also man enough to do so, in a public way.

 

Hypocrisy Jack© continually labels folks "liars" in these threads and has yet to man up and apologize when he is wrong.

Time to add another sig line, don't you think?

 

I don't see the need.  Hypocrisy Jack© does what he does.  You have a nebulous reference to a story you heard on the radio.  Fox News reports he got shot when he engaged.  No mention there of him wounding anyone.  (read the article I linked)

 

Try to keep up.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:22 PM

 

 

So, you don't care to answer the question, eh?  Figures.

 

Amazing how we have been told a law-abiding citizen with a CCW will end this kind of stuff.  But, that may not always be the case.

 

Do you think Wilcox would have "engaged" with the pair if he didn't have a weapon?  I am willing to bet he felt empowered and truly believed he could make a difference.  That is selfless.

 

But, he turned out to be wrong.  Dead wrong.  Thoughts and prayers for the families of the officers and Mr. Wilcox.

Always ready to pretend what others think.  Since you're "willing" you may as well pony up and go ask him!

 

His actions speak pretty clearly about his feelings.  Certainly not afraid to confront.  So, I will go with he "felt empowered".

 

"Always ready to pretend what others think"?  Not really.  

 

But, I can't ask him.  He got himself shot and killed by engaging with an armed lunatic.  All we are left with is our own interpretations.  You have yours.  I have mine.

You can ask him, an honorable person would make good on "I am willing to bet" statements. Finish your will and get to it.

 

So, now you would like me to "finish my will" and what?  Come on, big man.  Be specific.  Don't be a pussy and hide about what you want to say.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:29 PM

Didn't you know Wyatt Earp formed the tea party.

 

Of course he did.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:32 PM

Didn't you know Wyatt Earp formed the tea party.

 

Of course he did.

 

Now, that is funny.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:34 PM

 

Didn't you know Wyatt Earp formed the tea party.

 

Of course he did.

 

Now, that is funny.

Now that's why I would enjoy a beer with TM.  With music from the OK Chorale in the background.



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 09:51 PM

cc person got capped

 

 It's the thought that counts. 



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Posted 09 June 2014 - 10:52 PM


 


 


So, you don't care to answer the question, eh?  Figures.
 
Amazing how we have been told a law-abiding citizen with a CCW will end this kind of stuff.  But, that may not always be the case.
 
Do you think Wilcox would have "engaged" with the pair if he didn't have a weapon?  I am willing to bet he felt empowered and truly believed he could make a difference.  That is selfless.
 
But, he turned out to be wrong.  Dead wrong.  Thoughts and prayers for the families of the officers and Mr. Wilcox.

Always ready to pretend what others think.  Since you're "willing" you may as well pony up and go ask him!
 
His actions speak pretty clearly about his feelings.  Certainly not afraid to confront.  So, I will go with he "felt empowered".
 
"Always ready to pretend what others think"?  Not really.  
 
But, I can't ask him.  He got himself shot and killed by engaging with an armed lunatic.  All we are left with is our own interpretations.  You have yours.  I have mine.
You can ask him, an honorable person would make good on "I am willing to bet" statements. Finish your will and get to it.
 
So, now you would like me to "finish my will" and what?  Come on, big man.  Be specific.  Don't be a pussy and hide about what you want to say.
You are going to have to visit him in the hereafter. You made the.bet. Heaven or hell , we of us will come get tje answer from you on 1 or 5 or 50 years.

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Posted 09 June 2014 - 11:48 PM

This is the Zimmerman Effect.  CCW gives the carrier a hyper sense of power and causes them to do something that gets themselves hurt.  The perps specifically told the Walmart shoppers to get the fuck out or be hurt.  Seems the Zimmerman wanna be couldn't just do that.  Live by the sword, die by the sword.  So sayeth the Lord.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 01:48 AM

Pee Party and Nazies go together like cake and ice cream. Rafael Cruz anyone?



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 06:47 AM

This is the Zimmerman Effect.  CCW gives the carrier a hyper sense of power and causes them to do something that gets themselves hurt.  The perps specifically told the Walmart shoppers to get the fuck out or be hurt.  Seems the Zimmerman wanna be couldn't just do that.  Live by the sword, die by the sword.  So sayeth the Lord.

 

Don't feign sympathy for the guy for dying.  We all know better.  You are very happy he is dead because you think it proves a point somehow.

 

Yes, he seems to have gotten himself shot while trying to protect others.  It was a Selfless act that I doubt a coward like you would understand.  You are correct - live the sword, die by the sword.  However, I would rather die by the sword than die cowering in a corner.  

 

Its likely the CCW guy assumed, like all the previous shootings like this, that it was a lone gunman and he didn't account for the girl too.  Bad assumption.  Bad luck.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 06:52 AM

They also have egg on their face by instantly deciding HJ was full of it. Now the well his OP doesn't line up with the exact circumstances. I wonder of any of them will offer an apology. Something they demand of him regularly. :).

 

I will not be offering happylarkey an apology because all I said was I will wait for all the facts to be in before jumping on that notion.  It appears to have been true.  Even a blind happy jack finds a nut occasionally.

 

As for the others that deciding that HJ was "full of it".... well sorry but that is his own fault.  Too many years and thousands of posts of misleading and sensationalist drivel for people not to assume he is full of shit as usual.

 

You know what they say...... "You can build a 1000 bridges.... but suck just one dick and they won't be calling you a bridge-builder"



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 10:18 AM

 

You can ask him, an honorable person would make good on "I am willing to bet" statements. Finish your will and get to it.

 
So, now you would like me to "finish my will" and what?  Come on, big man.  Be specific.  Don't be a pussy and hide about what you want to say.
You are going to have to visit him in the hereafter. You made the.bet. Heaven or hell , we of us will come get tje answer from you on 1 or 5 or 50 years.

 

Go fuck yourself.  You encouraged me to finish my will and "get to" dying.  Don't deny that, you little piece of shit.

 

People here disagree all the time.  But, most don't go where you've gone.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 10:40 AM

Way way way innappropriate warbird, no matter who it was directed at, but particularly considering who you directed those comments at. The world is a much better place with folks like BD around, I wish we could clone him. This place was always a bit seedy, but is well and truly turning to shit.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 11:38 AM

NO shit!  What is up with this place lately.  We have a chain reaction of implosions from woofer and BL, and now this?  WTF?  PA has always been a bit of a cesspool - but the threads lately are giving cesspools a bad name.

 

Is it something in the water back there?  The winter cold snap do brain damage and the sudden onset of summer is bringing out the onset of symptoms?  What?



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 11:38 AM

In Seattle, the defender used pepper spray to stop a shooter.

 

Sometimes the end result is tragic but there is no excuse for waiting to get killed.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 12:25 PM

This is the Zimmerman Effect.  CCW gives the carrier a hyper sense of power and causes them to do something that gets themselves hurt.  The perps specifically told the Walmart shoppers to get the fuck out or be hurt.  Seems the Zimmerman wanna be couldn't just do that.  Live by the sword, die by the sword.  So sayeth the Lord.

 
Don't feign sympathy for the guy for dying.  We all know better.  You are very happy he is dead because you think it proves a point somehow.
 
Yes, he seems to have gotten himself shot while trying to protect others.  It was a Selfless act that I doubt a coward like you would understand.  You are correct - live the sword, die by the sword.  However, I would rather die by the sword than die cowering in a corner.  
 
Its likely the CCW guy assumed, like all the previous shootings like this, that it was a lone gunman and he didn't account for the girl too.  Bad assumption.  Bad luck.
Dont despair. There will be many more of these shootings where hopefully a CCW can save the day and change the minds of millions. Just like last week when simple pepper spray stopped the killer in Washington. Your time will come and you will rejoice in it.

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 12:37 PM

 

This is the Zimmerman Effect.  CCW gives the carrier a hyper sense of power and causes them to do something that gets themselves hurt.  The perps specifically told the Walmart shoppers to get the fuck out or be hurt.  Seems the Zimmerman wanna be couldn't just do that.  Live by the sword, die by the sword.  So sayeth the Lord.

 
Don't feign sympathy for the guy for dying.  We all know better.  You are very happy he is dead because you think it proves a point somehow.
 
Yes, he seems to have gotten himself shot while trying to protect others.  It was a Selfless act that I doubt a coward like you would understand.  You are correct - live the sword, die by the sword.  However, I would rather die by the sword than die cowering in a corner.  
 
Its likely the CCW guy assumed, like all the previous shootings like this, that it was a lone gunman and he didn't account for the girl too.  Bad assumption.  Bad luck.
Dont despair. There will be many more of these shootings where hopefully a CCW can save the day and change the minds of millions. Just like last week when simple pepper spray stopped the killer in Washington. Your time will come and you will rejoice in it.


Why would I necessarily rejoice in it?  CCWs stop crime every day.  According to the CDC, there's anywhere from 500,000 to 3 million instances of DGUs every year.  I'm actually somewhat surprised a CCW hasn't engaged one of these mass shooters before now.  But then again they tend to frequent places where CCW is not allowed - like Schools, Movie theaters, college campuses, etc.  

 

The fact that these guys ran into a Walmart in Las Vegas on a Sunday afternoon and got engaged by a CCW doesn't surprise me in the slightest.  I'm actually surprised there weren't 10 guns pointed at them and firing before they even left the pizza dinner.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 12:40 PM

From the Fox News website - http://www.foxnews.c...e-supremacists/
 
The duo then left the restaurant and walked over to a nearby Walmart, where Jared Miller fired a shot into the air and told people to get out, shouting that it was a revolution, McMahill said.
Bystander Joseph Robert Wilcox, 31, who was carrying a concealed weapon inside the store, spotted Jared Miller and told a friend he would confront him, according to authorities. As he neared Jared, he was shot in the ribs by Amanda and later died, McMahill said.
Gillespie called the death completely senseless.
 
Let's look at the OP by Hypocrisy Jack© - "The reports are preliminary and confused but there is a report that an armed CC permit holder engaged and wounded two people that had just ambushed and executed two police officers in a fast food place and a third woman at walmart but were confronted and wounded by an armed citizen before they could continue their rampage."
 
Based on the Fox report, it sounds nmore like this guy felt he was up to the job of playing Wyatt Earp and paid a hefty price.  Shitty that he died.  But he did choose to engage with armed maniacs.

..and bought some amount of time for all the others, not Wyatt Earp, selfless action.  These reports do not yet indicate whether he drew his weapon or not or whether he fired or not. Did his action cause the assailants to go to Plan B?

 
Well, the OP suggests he not only drew his weapon, but actively engaged the pair - and even wounded them both.
 
I have bolded the portion about how Hypocrisy Jack© did his usual schtick.  Has anyone seen any reports that this guy got off a shot?

 
Why worry about what HJ said ?  You were the one who tossed Wyatt Earp into the mix.

 
So, you don't care to answer the question, eh?  Figures.
 
Amazing how we have been told a law-abiding citizen with a CCW will end this kind of stuff.  But, that may not always be the case.
 
Do you think Wilcox would have "engaged" with the pair if he didn't have a weapon?  I am willing to bet he felt empowered and truly believed he could make a difference.  That is selfless.
 
But, he turned out to be wrong.  Dead wrong.  Thoughts and prayers for the families of the officers and Mr. Wilcox.
Sorry. In this post BD performed the ultimate act of bigotry. He ascribed his preconcieved notions to the actions of a victim. His type, holier than thou as is shown, put each person in a little box of beliefs and characteristics. I called him out on his prejudices. I have not followed, much, the Vegas story, since. BD did not know, nor I, whether the victim was Off Duty LE, Payroll security, presidential body guard or regular guy. BD did not know whether the victim had a child in the store, a mom, a cute girl working produce that he was wooing. What BD did know was that a CC holder thinks and acts a certain way. I called him on that bigotry. BD backed himself into a logical and literary corner "I am willing to bet he felt.." and I merely pointed out the (il)logical path to making good on his narrow minded bet. I am sorry he found neither irony nor humor in the literary predicament that ensared him due to his prejudices.

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 12:45 PM

The fact that these guys ran into a Walmart in Las Vegas on a Sunday afternoon and got engaged by a CCW doesn't surprise me in the slightest.  I'm actually surprised there weren't 10 guns pointed at them and firing before they even left the pizza dinner.

What will happen when the Open Carry guys decide to protest in a Walmart and the CCWs respond to action?  A scene fit for a Tarrentino movie.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 01:16 PM

The fact that these guys ran into a Walmart in Las Vegas on a Sunday afternoon and got engaged by a CCW doesn't surprise me in the slightest.  I'm actually surprised there weren't 10 guns pointed at them and firing before they even left the pizza dinner.

What will happen when the Open Carry guys decide to protest in a Walmart and the CCWs respond to action?  A scene fit for a Tarrentino movie.

 

If the open carry guys don't proclaim  a revolution and brandish their weapons it probably won't be a problem.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 01:24 PM

 

The fact that these guys ran into a Walmart in Las Vegas on a Sunday afternoon and got engaged by a CCW doesn't surprise me in the slightest.  I'm actually surprised there weren't 10 guns pointed at them and firing before they even left the pizza dinner.

What will happen when the Open Carry guys decide to protest in a Walmart and the CCWs respond to action?  A scene fit for a Tarrentino movie.

 

If the open carry guys don't proclaim  a revolution and brandish their weapons it probably won't be a problem.

So we will trust the CCWs to properly evaluate the threat before exercising their second amendment remedies?



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 01:33 PM

 

 

The fact that these guys ran into a Walmart in Las Vegas on a Sunday afternoon and got engaged by a CCW doesn't surprise me in the slightest.  I'm actually surprised there weren't 10 guns pointed at them and firing before they even left the pizza dinner.

What will happen when the Open Carry guys decide to protest in a Walmart and the CCWs respond to action?  A scene fit for a Tarrentino movie.

 

If the open carry guys don't proclaim  a revolution and brandish their weapons it probably won't be a problem.

So we will trust the CCWs to properly evaluate the threat before exercising their second amendment remedies?

 

Seems to be working so far.  I see plenty of concealed carry around here.   But, then, I am generally aware of my surroundings.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 01:42 PM

 

 

The fact that these guys ran into a Walmart in Las Vegas on a Sunday afternoon and got engaged by a CCW doesn't surprise me in the slightest.  I'm actually surprised there weren't 10 guns pointed at them and firing before they even left the pizza dinner.

What will happen when the Open Carry guys decide to protest in a Walmart and the CCWs respond to action?  A scene fit for a Tarrentino movie.

 

If the open carry guys don't proclaim  a revolution and brandish their weapons it probably won't be a problem.

So we will trust the CCWs to properly evaluate the threat before exercising their second amendment remedies?

 

Since concealed weapons permit holders commit violent crimes at a lower rate than the general population, I'd say that's statistically safer than trusting the rest of you. :P



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 01:48 PM

Seems to be working so far.  I see plenty of concealed carry around here.   But, then, I am generally aware of my surroundings.

They are not concealed if you can see them.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 02:14 PM

Seems to be working so far.  I see plenty of concealed carry around here.   But, then, I am generally aware of my surroundings.

They are not concealed if you can see them.

Some people have superior vision and knowledge that the rest of us just don't have and can't understand. 



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 02:16 PM

Seems to be working so far.  I see plenty of concealed carry around here.   But, then, I am generally aware of my surroundings.

They are not concealed if you can see them.

Fanny packs on guys who wouldn't normally wear one are a clue.  Look for the openings too.  There is often 'print thru' on clothing too.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 02:17 PM

 
So, you don't care to answer the question, eh?  Figures.
 
Amazing how we have been told a law-abiding citizen with a CCW will end this kind of stuff.  But, that may not always be the case.
 
Do you think Wilcox would have "engaged" with the pair if he didn't have a weapon?  I am willing to bet he felt empowered and truly believed he could make a difference.  That is selfless.
 
But, he turned out to be wrong.  Dead wrong.  Thoughts and prayers for the families of the officers and Mr. Wilcox.
Sorry. In this post BD performed the ultimate act of bigotry. He ascribed his preconcieved notions to the actions of a victim. His type, holier than thou as is shown, put each person in a little box of beliefs and characteristics. I called him out on his prejudices. I have not followed, much, the Vegas story, since. BD did not know, nor I, whether the victim was Off Duty LE, Payroll security, presidential body guard or regular guy. BD did not know whether the victim had a child in the store, a mom, a cute girl working produce that he was wooing. What BD did know was that a CC holder thinks and acts a certain way. I called him on that bigotry. BD backed himself into a logical and literary corner "I am willing to bet he felt.." and I merely pointed out the (il)logical path to making good on his narrow minded bet. I am sorry he found neither irony nor humor in the literary predicament that ensared him due to his prejudices.

 

You, sir, are a spineless piece of shit.  You talk a good game behind your keyboard, and act ever so tough.  Then, when you step in a pile of your own shit, you try and make it about someone else.

 

You suggest that I should hurry up and die.  A lot of vitriol flies in this place, but that is a new one, in my recollection.  At least be a man and take ownership of that.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 02:17 PM

 

Seems to be working so far.  I see plenty of concealed carry around here.   But, then, I am generally aware of my surroundings.

They are not concealed if you can see them.

Fanny packs on guys who wouldn't normally wear one are a clue.  Look for the openings too.  There is often 'print thru' on clothing too.

Or you can just imagine it.  Like all the crimes you prevent because you are carrying.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 03:19 PM

 

 

Seems to be working so far.  I see plenty of concealed carry around here.   But, then, I am generally aware of my surroundings.

They are not concealed if you can see them.

Fanny packs on guys who wouldn't normally wear one are a clue.  Look for the openings too.  There is often 'print thru' on clothing too.

Or you can just imagine it.  Like all the crimes you prevent because you are carrying.

 

I don't carry a weapon.  There are always so many lying around.

 

As I said, I'm just aware of my surroundings.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 03:23 PM


 


 


The fact that these guys ran into a Walmart in Las Vegas on a Sunday afternoon and got engaged by a CCW doesn't surprise me in the slightest.  I'm actually surprised there weren't 10 guns pointed at them and firing before they even left the pizza dinner.

What will happen when the Open Carry guys decide to protest in a Walmart and the CCWs respond to action?  A scene fit for a Tarrentino movie.
 
If the open carry guys don't proclaim  a revolution and brandish their weapons it probably won't be a problem.
So we will trust the CCWs to properly evaluate the threat before exercising their second amendment remedies?
 
Seems to be working so far.  I see plenty of concealed carry around here.   But, then, I am generally aware of my surroundings.

Sir, is that a Glock or are you just happy to see me?

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 03:25 PM

 

 


 


 

What will happen when the Open Carry guys decide to protest in a Walmart and the CCWs respond to action?  A scene fit for a Tarrentino movie.
 
If the open carry guys don't proclaim  a revolution and brandish their weapons it probably won't be a problem.
So we will trust the CCWs to properly evaluate the threat before exercising their second amendment remedies?
 
Seems to be working so far.  I see plenty of concealed carry around here.   But, then, I am generally aware of my surroundings.

Sir, is that a Glock or are you just happy to see me?

 

I said, I don't carry.

 

There are probably times when I might think of it but haven't felt like doing so to date.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 03:30 PM

I wasn't saying or even implying that you do carry. It's just that you seem to have developed quite an eye for spotting a concealed weapon.

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 03:32 PM

You probably shouldn't have quoted my post then and followed it with the use of personal pronouns.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 03:38 PM

Hence the use of italics.

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 04:59 PM

Cops are calling the CCW holder a hero, saying he saved many lives.

 

Sometimes standing as a man comes at a price, and this hero paid the ultimate price for his fellow citizens.   

 

Godspeed, Joseph Wilcox. Rest In Peace. Well done, well done indeed.  



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 05:21 PM

So, it looks like the answer to the question posed by Hypocrisy Jack© in the OP is - "No".


Looks like the cops on the scene said the answer was "Yes" but what do they know?

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 05:25 PM

Cops are calling the CCW holder a hero, saying he saved many lives.

 

Sometimes standing as a man comes at a price, and this hero paid the ultimate price for his fellow citizens.   

 

Godspeed, Joseph Wilcox. Rest In Peace. Well done, well done indeed.  

We'll never know how many he saved, but he tried.  Good on him.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 05:29 PM

There was a shooting in an Oregon High School.  The crazy is dead along with one student. Thoughts and prayers for the student and his family and friends.

 

Early reports are saying that a third party with a gun intervened, frustrating the crazy until the cops arrived to put him down. 



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 05:34 PM

So, it looks like the answer to the question posed by Hypocrisy Jack© in the OP is - "No".


Looks like the cops on the scene said the answer was "Yes" but what do they know?

 

Joseph Wilcox tried to stop the two.  He died in the process.  That was a heroic deed. 

 

Hypocrisy© Jack posted this -

 

The reports are preliminary and confused but there is a report that an armed CC permit holder engaged and wounded two people that had just ambushed and executed two police officers in a fast food place and a third woman at walmart but were confronted and wounded by an armed citizen before they could continue their rampage.

 

I have taken the time to bold and underline the point I was trying to make.  We know that part of this is inaccurate, as there was no female killed at WalMart. 

 

I ask again - is Jack's characterization accurate?



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 05:36 PM

Cops are calling the CCW holder a hero, saying he saved many lives.

 

Sometimes standing as a man comes at a price, and this hero paid the ultimate price for his fellow citizens.   

 

Godspeed, Joseph Wilcox. Rest In Peace. Well done, well done indeed.  

 

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 05:37 PM


So, it looks like the answer to the question posed by Hypocrisy Jack© in the OP is - "No".


Looks like the cops on the scene said the answer was "Yes" but what do they know?
 
Joseph Wilcox tried to stop the two.  He died in the process.  That was a heroic deed. 
 
Hypocrisy© Jack posted this -
 
The reports are preliminary and confused but there is a report that an armed CC permit holder engaged and wounded two people that had just ambushed and executed two police officers in a fast food place and a third woman at walmart but were confronted and wounded by an armed citizen before they could continue their rampage.
 
I have taken the time to bold and underline the point I was trying to make.  We know that part of this is inaccurate, as there was no female killed at WalMart. 
 
I ask again - is Jack's characterization accurate?

Not sure about the wounding, but it otherwise appears substantially true.

The cops said that the armed citizen saved multiple lives. To me, that suggests that the answer to Jack's question is yes.

Do you still believe the answer is no?

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 05:38 PM

 

So, it looks like the answer to the question posed by Hypocrisy Jack© in the OP is - "No".


Looks like the cops on the scene said the answer was "Yes" but what do they know?

 

Joseph Wilcox tried to stop the two.  He died in the process.  That was a heroic deed. 

 

Hypocrisy© Jack posted this -

 

The reports are preliminary and confused but there is a report that an armed CC permit holder engaged and wounded two people that had just ambushed and executed two police officers in a fast food place and a third woman at walmart but were confronted and wounded by an armed citizen before they could continue their rampage.

 

I have taken the time to bold and underline the point I was trying to make.  We know that part of this is inaccurate, as there was no female killed at WalMart. 

 

I ask again - is Jack's characterization accurate?



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 05:40 PM

 

 


So, it looks like the answer to the question posed by Hypocrisy Jack© in the OP is - "No".


Looks like the cops on the scene said the answer was "Yes" but what do they know?
 
Joseph Wilcox tried to stop the two.  He died in the process.  That was a heroic deed. 
 
Hypocrisy© Jack posted this -
 
The reports are preliminary and confused but there is a report that an armed CC permit holder engaged and wounded two people that had just ambushed and executed two police officers in a fast food place and a third woman at walmart but were confronted and wounded by an armed citizen before they could continue their rampage.
 
I have taken the time to bold and underline the point I was trying to make.  We know that part of this is inaccurate, as there was no female killed at WalMart. 
 
I ask again - is Jack's characterization accurate?

Not sure about the wounding, but it otherwise appears substantially true.

The cops said that the armed citizen saved multiple lives. To me, that suggests that the answer to Jack's question is yes.

Do you still believe the answer is no?

 

We can't know that he did save lives.  We can't know that he didn't.  He was approaching the husband when the wife shot him from behind, killing him instantly. 



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 06:12 PM

It isn't clear that the CC guy even got a shot off.

 

Wilcox, 31, “immediately and heroically moved towards” Miller, McMahill said. But as went to confront the shooter, he walked right by Amanda Miller, who shot and killed Wilcox.

 

http://www.washingto...thy-gun-battle/



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 06:15 PM

It isn't clear that the CC guy even got a shot off.

 

Wilcox, 31, “immediately and heroically moved towards” Miller, McMahill said. But as went to confront the shooter, he walked right by Amanda Miller, who shot and killed Wilcox.

 

http://www.washingto...thy-gun-battle/

 

So what?



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 06:23 PM

we need more heroes.  fewer crazies



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 06:25 PM

we need more heroes.  fewer crazies

 

Yep

 

PS - has anyone seen a bio for Wilcox?  Would love to know his story.....



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 06:28 PM

we need more heroes.  fewer crazies

 

Yep

 

PS - has anyone seen a bio for Wilcox?  Would love to know his story.....

 

http://www.reviewjou...-shooting-spree



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 07:23 PM

 

 

 


So, it looks like the answer to the question posed by Hypocrisy Jack© in the OP is - "No".


Looks like the cops on the scene said the answer was "Yes" but what do they know?
 
Joseph Wilcox tried to stop the two.  He died in the process.  That was a heroic deed. 
 
Hypocrisy© Jack posted this -
 
The reports are preliminary and confused but there is a report that an armed CC permit holder engaged and wounded two people that had just ambushed and executed two police officers in a fast food place and a third woman at walmart but were confronted and wounded by an armed citizen before they could continue their rampage.
 
I have taken the time to bold and underline the point I was trying to make.  We know that part of this is inaccurate, as there was no female killed at WalMart. 
 
I ask again - is Jack's characterization accurate?

Not sure about the wounding, but it otherwise appears substantially true.

The cops said that the armed citizen saved multiple lives. To me, that suggests that the answer to Jack's question is yes.

Do you still believe the answer is no?

 

We can't know that he did save lives.  We can't know that he didn't.  He was approaching the husband when the wife shot him from behind, killing him instantly. 

 

You knew what it "looked like" before.

 

Do you know what it looks like now?



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 07:26 PM

 

 

 

Looks like the cops on the scene said the answer was "Yes" but what do they know?

 
Joseph Wilcox tried to stop the two.  He died in the process.  That was a heroic deed. 
 
Hypocrisy© Jack posted this -
 
The reports are preliminary and confused but there is a report that an armed CC permit holder engaged and wounded two people that had just ambushed and executed two police officers in a fast food place and a third woman at walmart but were confronted and wounded by an armed citizen before they could continue their rampage.
 
I have taken the time to bold and underline the point I was trying to make.  We know that part of this is inaccurate, as there was no female killed at WalMart. 
 
I ask again - is Jack's characterization accurate?

Not sure about the wounding, but it otherwise appears substantially true.

The cops said that the armed citizen saved multiple lives. To me, that suggests that the answer to Jack's question is yes.

Do you still believe the answer is no?

 

We can't know that he did save lives.  We can't know that he didn't.  He was approaching the husband when the wife shot him from behind, killing him instantly. 

 

You knew what it "looked like" before.

 

Do you know what it looks like now?

 

I stand by my assertion that he felt empowered to approach a delay situation because he had a weapon.  Unfortunately, reports are he got ambushed and was not able to use his weapon.

 

Still a courageous deed.  

 

Just not what Hypocrisy Jack© posted in the thread starter.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 10:11 PM

Encountering an armed citizen right out of the box may have interrupted their plans. It had to change their perspective so that they were now more suspicious and wary of every other civilian. But it is not possible to say how many lives were saved. We do know one salient fact. No more innocents were shot after his intervention. 

 

Was that due to his act?  I for one am willing to credit his sacrifice. Is the left going to rush out and see how many parking tickets he has and try to Plumber him. Maybe the IRS should audit his estate.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 10:16 PM

we need more heroes.  fewer crazies


Amen.

We do know that by his actions, Wilcox got inside the crazies' OODA Loop. He knocked them out of their carefully planned fantasies, likely causing confusion and panic, and almost certainly leading to the decision to suicide early. All without firing a shot. The man's a hero.  

Accounts have him holding on the male crazy, but not shooting, as the crazy appeared to be stopping. That restraint is consistent with common CCW training: you don't shoot if the threat has stopped and is no longer immediate. Wilcox was unaware that the female crazy was approaching from behind. It is very rare for these crazies to work as a team.
 



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 10:30 PM

Encountering an armed citizen right out of the box may have interrupted their plans. It had to change their perspective so that they were now more suspicious and wary of every other civilian. But it is not possible to say how many lives were saved. We do know one salient fact. No more innocents were shot after his intervention. 

 

Was that due to his act?  I for one am willing to credit his sacrifice. Is the left going to rush out and see how many parking tickets he has and try to Plumber him. Maybe the IRS should audit his estate.

 

Actually, when Obama recognizes his sacrifice at a Rose Garden ceremony to honor the victims of this latest spurt of violence, the Right will jump all over him ala Bergdorf.  We'll find out wilcox had an out-of-wedlock child, smoked dope on occasion, and played Halo.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 11:00 PM



Encountering an armed citizen right out of the box may have interrupted their plans. It had to change their perspective so that they were now more suspicious and wary of every other civilian. But it is not possible to say how many lives were saved. We do know one salient fact. No more innocents were shot after his intervention. 
 
Was that due to his act?  I for one am willing to credit his sacrifice. Is the left going to rush out and see how many parking tickets he has and try to Plumber him. Maybe the IRS should audit his estate.

 
Actually, when Obama recognizes his sacrifice at a Rose Garden ceremony to honor the victims of this latest spurt of violence, the Right will jump all over him ala Bergdorf.  We'll find out wilcox had an out-of-wedlock child, smoked dope on occasion, and played Halo.
. I won't hold my breath on the rose garden thank you. Despite the fact that this guys relatives deserve it a lot more than Bowe's parents.

If you read this thread the ones that are ridiculing and/or down playing this Hero's actions are your fellow lefties.

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 11:13 PM

 



Encountering an armed citizen right out of the box may have interrupted their plans. It had to change their perspective so that they were now more suspicious and wary of every other civilian. But it is not possible to say how many lives were saved. We do know one salient fact. No more innocents were shot after his intervention. 
 
Was that due to his act?  I for one am willing to credit his sacrifice. Is the left going to rush out and see how many parking tickets he has and try to Plumber him. Maybe the IRS should audit his estate.

 
Actually, when Obama recognizes his sacrifice at a Rose Garden ceremony to honor the victims of this latest spurt of violence, the Right will jump all over him ala Bergdorf.  We'll find out wilcox had an out-of-wedlock child, smoked dope on occasion, and played Halo.
. I won't hold my breath on the rose garden thank you. Despite the fact that this guys relatives deserve it a lot more than Bowe's parents.

If you read this thread the ones that are ridiculing and/or down playing this Hero's actions are your fellow lefties.

How does anyone know a hell of a lot about either situation?  Wilcox performed a heroic deed, we know that.  We have no idea if he prevented a single death or hundreds.  We have no idea what those idiots had planned, though their trail on facebook and in the pizza parlor leaves some suggestions that they were planning on starting a revolution by attacking authorities or some such meth-addled nonsense. For all we know, they were headed to Wally World to clear out their gun rack and ammo counter.  When we hear about how much ammo they had with them, we will get a better idea of what they had planned for the folks in Wally World.  It does seem pretty clear that he did not shoot the killers, so Simple Jack's OP is a pile of stinky hot Malarkey in that respect.  

 

Bergdahl?  If he deserted he should be tried...by the US, not the Taliban.  Hard to try him when he isn't here to stand trial.  As for his father, I reckon I'd be going batshit crazy in his shoes too.  He sure seems to love his son, which is a lot more than plenty of fathers in this country can say.  I think I'll wait to get the facts.  If Bill O'Reilly wants to tell me to shut up for that, I'll get Radar O'Reilly to crown him with a grape Nehi.  



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 11:16 PM

we need more heroes.  fewer crazies


Amen.

We do know that by his actions, Wilcox got inside the crazies' OODA Loop. He knocked them out of their carefully planned fantasies, likely causing confusion and panic, and almost certainly leading to the decision to suicide early. All without firing a shot. The man's a hero.  

Accounts have him holding on the male crazy, but not shooting, as the crazy appeared to be stopping. That restraint is consistent with common CCW training: you don't shoot if the threat has stopped and is no longer immediate. Wilcox was unaware that the female crazy was approaching from behind. It is very rare for these crazies to work as a team.
 

 

Where are these accounts?

 

I don't think I'd try to physically restrain a gunman who had already fired a shot inside the store. Wouldn't want to get that close.



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 11:27 PM


we need more heroes.  fewer crazies


Amen.

We do know that by his actions, Wilcox got inside the crazies' OODA Loop. He knocked them out of their carefully planned fantasies, likely causing confusion and panic, and almost certainly leading to the decision to suicide early. All without firing a shot. The man's a hero.  

Accounts have him holding on the male crazy, but not shooting, as the crazy appeared to be stopping. That restraint is consistent with common CCW training: you don't shoot if the threat has stopped and is no longer immediate. Wilcox was unaware that the female crazy was approaching from behind. It is very rare for these crazies to work as a team.
 
 
Where are these accounts?
 
I don't think I'd try to physically restrain a gunman who had already fired a shot inside the store. Wouldn't want to get that close.

By "holding on", are we referring to physical restraint or pointing a weapon?

Either way, where are these accounts?

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 11:49 PM

Holding on refers to the gun being pointed at the perp.

 

The accounts I referred to are out on the web. I've read an awful lot over the last two days.  

 

http://www.usatoday....-hate/10261163/

http://www.cnn.com/2...ting/index.html



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Posted 11 June 2014 - 12:02 AM

Holding on refers to the gun being pointed at the perp.

 

The accounts I referred to are out on the web. I've read an awful lot over the last two days.  

 

I've read a fair bit about this event, as well.  Haven't come across anything that says something different from Wilcox telling someone he was going to try and stop them, and was shot by the woman.



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Posted 11 June 2014 - 12:13 AM

It would warm my heart if many more CCW warriors gave their lives for the freedom they cherish.  Hell, I'd even support a national holiday and hymn to honor them.



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Posted 11 June 2014 - 12:17 AM

Meh.  Not for the first time I wished for a "trail of breadcrumbs" for the web.

 

Best source I saw was an analysis of he Police press briefing. And I haven't been able to find it again. 



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Posted 11 June 2014 - 07:02 AM

It would warm my heart if many more CCW warriors gave their lives for the freedom they cherish.  Hell, I'd even support a national holiday and hymn to honor them.

 

What a fucking cunt douchebag you are.  Wishing your fellow citizens dead.....??  This is a new low for this site that I didn't think could get much lower.  


wow, just fucking WOW!   :angry:






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