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#1 Rushman

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 04:17 AM

Posting this for my previous skipper as he has just sold the Young 11 and now is the proud owner of a bright yellow Shaw 750.

If you were starting from scratch... How would you lay out the deck hardware?

Are there any resources online?

Plans are to sail it two up, lifelines and staunchions will be removable depending on the race entered.

Thanks in advance

#2 Timmys_Trick_Turkey

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 11:56 PM

You wont be competitive sailing a sportsboat like that with only 2 up, there is no easy way of saying that.  You cant competitively even race a Magic 25 2 up. 

You will discover that the first time you sail it..

Selling a Young 11 at the end of summer was an achievement, but discovering you have bought the wrong boat for 2 handing, spending the big bucks fitting it out and then trying to sell it in the depths of winter is going to hurt bigtime..



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Posted 05 July 2014 - 08:06 AM

Thanks Timmy... Very helpful, lots of great tips

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 07:10 PM

Posting this for my previous skipper as he has just sold the Young 11 and now is the proud owner of a bright yellow Shaw 750.

If you were starting from scratch... How would you lay out the deck hardware?

Are there any resources online?

Plans are to sail it two up, lifelines and staunchions will be removable depending on the race entered.

Thanks in advance

Have you tried connecting with Rob?



#5 Rushman

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 10:20 PM

I believe the deck plans are with the boat so that is a starting point.

I was hoping to tap into the collective SA knowledge but it seems they are all out sailing.

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 11:33 PM

the collective knowledge is that a 2 person shaw 750 is not competitive. If it was, they would be telling you so and encouraging you to join them. .

 

If you think they are all wrong and you can make it work, talk to the 2 man 18 foot skiff guys who have been down this road already and found out the hard way that it doesnt.

 

Kudos for having the dough to give it a try, but Darwin is staring you right in the face.

 

Sometimes the best advice isnt what you want to hear. 



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Posted 06 July 2014 - 12:24 AM

300kg bulb on this thing

You are correct Timmy, without the bulb it would struggle to stay upright, so if you have nothing to add about the deck layout question then your work here is done.

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 05:00 AM

Is this the shaw750 skiff or the Shaw 750 trailer sailer? Either way, with just the two of you have a good look at boats like the i14 and other 2 man assy dinghies. Dual tail control lines led to the rail/wings, things like that. Consider who will be handling the lines, will crew be able to dump vang if you have a moment with the kite up? Will crew do kite halyard, or will skipper steer with foot or between legs and hoist/retrieve?

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 08:10 AM

Rushman,

With only 2 crew and a 300kg bulb,

Thankyou, but no doubt you have heard this before,.... you are excused from further participation.



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Posted 06 July 2014 - 08:57 AM

Is this the shaw750 skiff or the Shaw 750 trailer sailer? Either way, with just the two of you have a good look at boats like the i14 and other 2 man assy dinghies. Dual tail control lines led to the rail/wings, things like that. Consider who will be handling the lines, will crew be able to dump vang if you have a moment with the kite up? Will crew do kite halyard, or will skipper steer with foot or between legs and hoist/retrieve?


Not too sure, guess the trailer sailer with the big bulb. I left New Zealand almost 12 months ago, so I have only seen photos of the new toy.

My thoughts are it should be laid out like a big dinghy with controls led aft and adjustable from both sides.
Vang, outhaul, Cunningham to be within easy reach of the helm, kite halyard, tack line, pole control lines up forward.

The deck profile is similar to the new boat Toyko Trash Babe is building with a small coach roof.

Rushman,
With only 2 crew and a 300kg bulb,
Thankyou, but no doubt you have heard this before,.... you are excused from further participation.

Thanks Timmy, you have been most helpful.
Go find someone else's toy to bag, tell them they spent too much, it will never work, etc. This boat ticks all the boxes for the buyer, and that is the important thing.

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 09:27 AM

Same as this one?

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 10:16 AM

Looks very similar...

I wish I knew how to post photos here, this link is the best I can do

http://crew.org.nz/f...=24449&start=30

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 12:10 PM

Looks like the trailer sailer, the other shaw 750 type out there is animal biscuits, which would be a big ask for 2 blokes in any sort of breeze.

 

Do you have a retrieval chute? If not, Kite halyard will have to go to helm, or be accesable for both (crew hoist helm drop). Single line hoist might be worth investigating too, gets rid of the extra shit with tack line and pole out



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Posted 06 July 2014 - 12:27 PM

No retrieval chute at this stage

Single line hoist? Do you have a diagram on how this works?

I have a single hoist on my Hobie 18 (in shits and giggles mode) but the pole doesn't move.

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 06:40 PM

No retrieval chute at this stage

Single line hoist? Do you have a diagram on how this works?

I have a single hoist on my Hobie 18 (in shits and giggles mode) but the pole doesn't move.

 

Single line hoist, the google is your friend (courtesy of Ronstan's website): 

2009-System-Diagram-Spinnaker-1.gif

 

The above will require a retrieval system of some sorts though.  

 

Pole out or tack line in is pretty much the same thing, generally one or the other.



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Posted 06 July 2014 - 09:07 PM

Thanks Liquid, that is perfect.

Looks like things could be hard to move once there is pressure on.

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 10:03 PM

Thanks Liquid, that is perfect.

Looks like things could be hard to move once there is pressure on.

Yep - not a good setup once you get up that size boat



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Posted 07 July 2014 - 01:20 AM

Glad he bought that instead of trying to get Phantom, its only just got back in the water after several years worth of repairs!!



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Posted 07 July 2014 - 03:11 AM

Look at how the mini 650 set out there decks, Also how they Hoist and drop the kites.

Throw the kite halyard and tack line overboard when you come to drop, the friction of it in the water slows the drop down and gets rip of any kinks in the halyard.



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Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:48 AM

As someone who has been on the starting line at La Rochelle when the mini fleet started, I can say you don't want to rig a Shaw 750 as if its a mini transat boat.  

They aren't designed for close quarters racing.

 

 They plan their run at the start line from about 4 minutes out, canting the keel and shifting their water ballast, port/starboard, foreward/aft,  their autopilot doing all the work while he is up on the foredeck setting up the assymetrical and raking the bow pole appropriately..... 

 

Unless you 2 guys are in a fitness class of an Olympic athlete (capable and willing to freeclimb your mast solo after 3 weeks of sailing non stop) and plan to retrofit a canting keel and water ballast and widen the boat and stay away from close quarters racing, its not going to be pretty.

 

And when you do, what other doublehander  will you race against ?



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Posted 09 July 2014 - 07:58 AM

Thanks Timmy, that is the first advice you have offered... Don't rig it like a mini transat boat.

The two handed racing will be the SSANZ series held in Auckland each winter.
You might notice I am in Canberra so I will not be sailing this boat.

The rest of the time it will be based in Taranaki and I don't think a lot of keel boat sailing happens there apart from the start of the Solo Trans Tasman but I could be wrong.

So far
Separate tack line
Separate kite halyard
Separate pole out fucker

Vang back to helm

Anything else that should be considered essential?

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 07:27 AM

Don't be a fool set it up like it was building for yes it is the shaw 750T talk to old owner set it up u will be able to two hand it but if you set it up as a two hand boat he will never be able to sell it who wants a shaw 750 set up of two handed

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 09:46 AM

SA isn't the place to get advice it seems.

Thanks to those that attempted to help

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 10:31 PM

particularly when they don't know the boat, and the boat is also being confused with another better known Shaw of the same length.

 

There is no shortage of talent and knowledge in Auckland as to setting up short-handers due the the SSANZ  series.

 

why ask here where SBs are overcrewed? i.e 6 crew (for ballast) when only 3-4 needed to sail 'em?

why get a design that likes crew on the gunnel? thats like running a sportscar on 2 cylinders

 

ask Rob Shaw, or Josh from Norths AKL, who have set boats  (shaws actually) for short-handed,

or buy a F-22 tri, the floats replace all the noisy rude rum-gu$$ling SB crews 






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