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#1 JeronimoII

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 07:21 AM

Now that the fleet is complete, I suggest to start a new thread for the actual race legs. The entrants one is 22 pages long...

 

Let's start with a prediction about the final standings in Gothenburg next summer (and in Cape Town):

 

1. Azzam (this is Ian's race to loose, I reckon. Star-line-up well funded)

2. Brunel (Bouwe has unfinished business with the race. Could well end first, but he has got some youngsters on board that could be a liability)

3. Campos (great sailors on board, but coming late and with the skipper expected to miss some legs. Too many handicaps to be able to win?)

4. Vestas (same as Campos, but actually with a full dedicated skipper. Could end up mixing my prediction. Crew unknown yet)

5. Dongfeng (the frenchies are extremely strong, but are short of crew with the unexperienced chinese...)

6. Alvimedica (first time youngsters...likely to struggle while learning)

7. SCA (somehow a surprise to see them fall back so fast in the RBI and the Canaries regatta...)



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 07:52 AM

i tend to agree with your form guide, however, I think differences between the top 4 will be very small.

I also think that any of the 7 can win a leg, and like any OD regatta, taking the overall win will be about consistency.



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 09:23 AM

I think you've got it mostly right, but I'd put Brunel or Campos ahead of Azzam- Walker has never seemed to be quite the Sailor Bekking or Martinez are, and both them of them have unfinished business with the race.

 

But I think any one of the four- Brunel, Azzam, Campos or Vestas could have it



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 10:04 AM

I would put Azzam at the top, with the crew they have. Bekking is the weak point in Brunel I think, though difficult to discount Capey.

 

Agree with the top 4. This could be a really tight race!!



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 10:21 AM

I would put Azzam at the top, with the crew they have. Bekking is the weak point in Brunel I think, though difficult to discount Capey.

 

Agree with the top 4. This could be a really tight race!!

Really?  agree about Capey though.



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 03:19 PM

Now that the fleet is complete, I suggest to start a new thread for the actual race legs. The entrants one is 22 pages long...

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....fyi...yer can click on 'last post',,,and save paging-through each time  :mellow:  :rolleyes:



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 07:06 AM

Agree with your top 4 for the first leg although I think Vestas could be very fast fresh out of the box



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 09:14 AM

I think the last two races where we have seen the VO65's actually go head to head, has outlined  just how critical the navigator is going to be.  One mistake and you are out the back door; then as usual, the rich get richer as the race progresses.  The first leg will also reward the crew's offshore experience but that advantage will diminish.  I don't think we have a full list of navigators yet, but once we do, my betting will be firmly based upon that list, with all the other factors a clear second.



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 10:29 AM

I think the last two races where we have seen the VO65's actually go head to head, has outlined  just how critical the navigator is going to be.  One mistake and you are out the back door; then as usual, the rich get richer as the race progresses.  The first leg will also reward the crew's offshore experience but that advantage will diminish.  I don't think we have a full list of navigators yet, but once we do, my betting will be firmly based upon that list, with all the other factors a clear second.

 

SCA - Libby Greenhalgh

Abu Dhabi - Simon Fisher

Dongfeng - Pascal Bidégorry

Brunel - Andrew Cape

Alvimedica - Will Oxley

Campos - Nicolas Lunven

Vestas - Tom Addis



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 10:31 AM

Wasn't Libby part of the Origin PR team? Quite a step-up to go to RTW navigator!



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 10:44 AM

Wasn't Libby part of the Origin PR team? Quite a step-up to go to RTW navigator!

Probably more relevant is her experience as a weather router.



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 11:00 AM

Quite a meteorology cv.

 

http://www.rya.org.u...greenhalgh.aspx

 

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 02:18 PM

Wasn't Libby part of the Origin PR team? Quite a step-up to go to RTW navigator!

Probably more relevant is her experience as a weather router.

No offense intended- didn't know she had done all that. I sit corrected.



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 02:47 PM

Didn't think you were meaning any offence.

I know that for the coaching team finding the right experience has been really difficult. Both Sam and Dee were trialled as Navigators, but it was decided that their experience was needed on deck more. SO I think it is now a joint role with Libby and Sam.  Libby brings a wealth of different experience to the team especially on the weather front, but there is no female navigator who has the experience that those other names have (except perhaps Adrienne Cahallan, but she did not apply).

It has been made very clear by Brad Jackson that finding the relevant experience has been really difficult. The ability is there (whatever thetruth might say), but the experience is the thing that is lacking. Women just do not get the same chances to build experience outside of the VOR. After all, if you run a mini maxi, 52, MOD70, big Swan, or even a superyacht you are probably going to pick a sailor with experience and muscles...and that means picking a bloke in general.  Plus, of course, most people get their mates on board.



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 03:31 PM

I guess the earlier talk about maybe sacrificing navigational prowess for faster drivers was false. All the boats have big name navigators on them.



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 03:34 PM

I think the last two races where we have seen the VO65's actually go head to head, has outlined  just how critical the navigator is going to be.  One mistake and you are out the back door; then as usual, the rich get richer as the race progresses.  The first leg will also reward the crew's offshore experience but that advantage will diminish.  I don't think we have a full list of navigators yet, but once we do, my betting will be firmly based upon that list, with all the other factors a clear second.

 

SCA - Libby Greenhalgh

Abu Dhabi - Simon Fisher

Dongfeng - Pascal Bidégorry

Brunel - Andrew Cape

Alvimedica - Will Oxley

Campos - Nicolas Lunven

Vestas - Tom Addis

There's some big names there, be very difficult to make a call on who is at the top of the game from that list.



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 04:53 PM

I'm guessing a real battle between Vestas and Azzam - followed closely by Brunel and Campos. The others will be nipping at the heels.

 

But I am truly interested in watching SCA's progress. It's going to be a very interesting study in what the VOR really takes - and why.



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 05:04 PM

They do seem to be big name navigators, but it seems there is a lean towards navigators with shorthanded experience. I think Andrew Cape did the BWR and the figaro / shorthanded guys on Campos and Dongfeng. Seems to me to be that navigators will be needed on deck more than last time.



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 08:15 PM

 

I think the last two races where we have seen the VO65's actually go head to head, has outlined  just how critical the navigator is going to be.  One mistake and you are out the back door; then as usual, the rich get richer as the race progresses.  The first leg will also reward the crew's offshore experience but that advantage will diminish.  I don't think we have a full list of navigators yet, but once we do, my betting will be firmly based upon that list, with all the other factors a clear second.

 

SCA - Libby Greenhalgh

Abu Dhabi - Simon Fisher

Dongfeng - Pascal Bidégorry

Brunel - Andrew Cape

Alvimedica - Will Oxley

Campos - Nicolas Lunven

Vestas - Tom Addis

There's some big names there, be very difficult to make a call on who is at the top of the game from that list.

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 01:09 AM

My bias aside; I vote for the team with the only sailor to win, not one, but two, round the world races. I do not believe that Martinez stepping off for 2-3 legs will adversely impact their performance.

 

Each team has experienced an unique and unexpected issue aboard its vessel which will undoubtedly impact overall performance. The ability to solve problems quickly and recover time will win the race.



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Posted 19 August 2014 - 01:22 AM

..........Each team has experienced an unique and unexpected issue aboard its vessel which will undoubtedly impact overall performance. ....

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...it'd be interesting to hear more on this...^^.....



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Posted 19 August 2014 - 08:26 AM

They do seem to be big name navigators, but it seems there is a lean towards navigators with shorthanded experience. I think Andrew Cape did the BWR and the figaro / shorthanded guys on Campos and Dongfeng. Seems to me to be that navigators will be needed on deck more than last time.

Nicolas Lunven is a Figaro sailor - has won a bit of silver ware there including a win. Perhaps a potential Vendee sailor next go around.

 

Looked up Pascal - he has some solid Figaro results too, and was crew on BP5 when they set the Atlantic record and 24 hour record (with a day's run of 908.2 nautical miles (1,682.0 km) at an average speed of 37.84 knots (70.08 km/h) - faaaark).

 

That certainly is a pretty impressive bunch of navigators.



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Posted 19 August 2014 - 01:22 PM

I think the last two races where we have seen the VO65's actually go head to head, has outlined  just how critical the navigator is going to be. 

One mistake and you are out the back door; then as usual, the rich get richer as the race progresses.  The first leg will also reward the crew's offshore experience but that advantage will diminish.  I don't think we have a full list of navigators yet, but once we do, my betting will be firmly based upon that list, with all the other factors a clear second.

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...yes,,given that the boats are OD and they hold together......sooo much is on the navigator--to a point.

....lets not forget it's yacht racing,,,a fickle sport,always with surprises--how many times does a boat get ahead only to get becalmed and the fleet sails around!?.............shit happens on all scales  :mellow:



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Posted 19 August 2014 - 01:25 PM

The more I think about it the more I'm leaning towards Campos for the win.

In both Martinez and Desoyjeaux they've great skippers and a not too shabby team/ budget to boot.

 

 

The lack of preparation time in relation to the other boats might hurt for the first leg or two, but it'll even out from there on in.



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Posted 19 August 2014 - 01:42 PM

..yeh,,the early entries made the race look interesting in a 'B-fleet'** sort of way,then Martinez,,Nicholson,,and Bekking come in later with some Afleet action....I hope the extra effort that Alvi and SCA have put in keeps it all close.,but of course it's an ocean race--there WILL be wildcards 

 

....I hav'ta say I personally see little reason to pick teams...I guess I'm drawn to the overall spectacle,,not too long now!

 

 

 

 

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 02:07 PM

They do seem to be big name navigators, but it seems there is a lean towards navigators with shorthanded experience. I think Andrew Cape did the BWR and the figaro / shorthanded guys on Campos and Dongfeng. Seems to me to be that navigators will be needed on deck more than last time.

Nicolas Lunven is a Figaro sailor - has won a bit of silver ware there including a win. Perhaps a potential Vendee sailor next go around.

 

Looked up Pascal - he has some solid Figaro results(1st) too, and was crew(Skipper) on BP5 when they set the Atlantic record and 24 hour record (with a day's run of 908.2 nautical miles (1,682.0 km) at an average speed of 37.84 knots (70.08 km/h) - faaaark).

 

That certainly is a pretty impressive bunch of navigators.



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Posted 19 August 2014 - 02:54 PM

Pascal Bidegorry was an ORMA skipper who won the Figaro and was skipper of BP5 for a while- until they weren't so happy with him being so cautious and waiting for a perfect weather window that never arrived.

 

That cautiousness could well stand to him in the Volvo when holding the boat together could be the name of the game.

Hopefully they're much stronger and reliable this time round though



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Posted 19 August 2014 - 04:52 PM

Pascal Bidegorry was an ORMA skipper who won the Figaro and was skipper of BP5 for a while- until they weren't so happy with him being so cautious and waiting for a perfect weather window that never arrived.

 

That cautiousness could well stand to him in the Volvo when holding the boat together could be the name of the game.

Hopefully they're much stronger and reliable this time round though

.

.....indications from the roundBritain race seem positive,,,though I'm still wondering what mrKrash was referring to??

 

My bias aside; I vote for the team with the only sailor to win, not one, but two, round the world races. I do not believe that Martinez stepping off for 2-3 legs will adversely impact their performance.

 

Each team has experienced an unique and unexpected issue aboard its vessel which will undoubtedly impact overall performance. The ability to solve problems quickly and recover time will win the race.



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Posted 19 August 2014 - 08:39 PM

I think the last two races where we have seen the VO65's actually go head to head, has outlined  just how critical the navigator is going to be.  One mistake and you are out the back door; then as usual, the rich get richer as the race progresses.  The first leg will also reward the crew's offshore experience but that advantage will diminish.  I don't think we have a full list of navigators yet, but once we do, my betting will be firmly based upon that list, with all the other factors a clear second.

 

SCA - Libby Greenhalgh

Abu Dhabi - Simon Fisher

Dongfeng - Pascal Bidégorry

Brunel - Andrew Cape

Alvimedica - Will Oxley

Campos - Nicolas Lunven

Vestas - Tom Addis

Do not know Tom or Libby but you can be sure that the others on the list have helming skills (and general crew work skills) as high as all the others on their respective teams.  



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Posted 20 August 2014 - 01:43 AM

Tom has the skills as well Libby ?

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 02:42 AM

Is Libby related to rob and Pete greenhalgh the talented brothers who have won numerous events including the volvo (Rob)

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 04:18 AM

Is Libby related to rob and Pete greenhalgh the talented brothers who have won numerous events including the volvo (Rob)

Younger sister



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Posted 20 August 2014 - 11:21 PM

Is Tom addis confirmed as navigator for Vestas? Nothing on their website.

Any other crew news on Vestas?

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 02:23 AM

Is Tom addis confirmed as navigator for Vestas? Nothing on their website.

Any other crew news on Vestas?

Not confirmed.

Anyone recognise the faces in the pictures?

https://twitter.com/...1538690/photo/1



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Posted 21 August 2014 - 02:40 AM

I would guess they might be some of the shore crew



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Posted 21 August 2014 - 02:59 AM

I would guess they might be some of the shore crew

It's Nico above the "T" right?



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 03:38 PM

How are they working the sails?  Obviously some teams have many more thousands of miles than do the newer teams.  Do they all get a new suit for the start?



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 03:43 PM

How are they working the sails?  Obviously some teams have many more thousands of miles than do the newer teams.  Do they all get a new suit for the start?

 

Yes.



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 04:54 PM

How are they working the sails?  Obviously some teams have many more thousands of miles than do the newer teams.  Do they all get a new suit for the start?

 

..http://forums.sailin...23#entry4658681 ...post 2222



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Posted 02 September 2014 - 02:02 PM

Brunel

Campos

Abu Dhabi

Dongfeng

Vestas

Alvimedica

SCA



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Posted 02 September 2014 - 10:24 PM

Brunel
Campos
Abu Dhabi
Dongfeng
Vestas
Alvimedica
SCA


What odds???

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Posted 04 September 2014 - 10:22 AM

Brunel
Campos
Abu Dhabi
Dongfeng
Vestas
Alvimedica
SCA


Leg one or the race?

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Posted 04 September 2014 - 01:20 PM

Abu Dhabi
Campos
Vestas
Sca
Dongfeng
Alvimedica

Leg one

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Posted 04 September 2014 - 01:22 PM

Vestas
Campos
Abu dabi
Sca
Alva med
Dondfeng
For the race

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Posted 04 September 2014 - 10:16 PM

Leg one

 

Campos

Abu Dhabi 

Vestas

Sca
Dongfeng
Alvimedica

 

Race

 

Abu Dhabi 

Vestas

Campos
Sca
Dongfeng
Alvimedica

 

I'd like to see Vestas do even better but it'll come down to how they go in the first couple of legs while learning the boat.  If they're in the top three in both of the first two legs then I'd say they've got a shot at the win. 



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Posted 05 September 2014 - 12:19 AM

What odds???

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.....what. ever.



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Posted 05 September 2014 - 01:01 AM

Leg one

 

Campos

Abu Dhabi 

Vestas

Sca
Dongfeng
Alvimedica

 

Race

 

Abu Dhabi 

Vestas

Campos
Sca
Dongfeng
Alvimedica

 

I'd like to see Vestas do even better but it'll come down to how they go in the first couple of legs while learning the boat.  If they're in the top three in both of the first two legs then I'd say they've got a shot at the win. 

 

So you don't see Brunel featuring in the results?



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Posted 05 September 2014 - 01:12 AM

I was working with a cut and paste from whisper and didn't notice it missing.

 

First in leg one and first or second overall.



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Posted 08 September 2014 - 09:51 AM

Not really Leg 1, but I have a question about the Inport Race in Alicante, does anyone know what time it will start? I know it´s the 4th of October, and I´m guessing the race would start like 14:00 or so, but I havent been able to find a time on the Volvo site.

I want to book my flight from Alicante to London, and I would prefer to leave in the evening the 4th, so would be good to know if its possible to see the Inport race and be able to catch a flight at 20-21 some time without to much stress :P I´ll have the whole friday in the Race Village anyway, and I have other stuff to do in London on sunday, so flying out on saturday evening would be best, and also cheapest :)



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Posted 08 September 2014 - 04:13 PM

Not really Leg 1, but I have a question about the Inport Race in Alicante, does anyone know what time it will start? I know it´s the 4th of October, and I´m guessing the race would start like 14:00 or so, but I havent been able to find a time on the Volvo site.

I want to book my flight from Alicante to London, and I would prefer to leave in the evening the 4th, so would be good to know if its possible to see the Inport race and be able to catch a flight at 20-21 some time without to much stress :P I´ll have the whole friday in the Race Village anyway, and I have other stuff to do in London on sunday, so flying out on saturday evening would be best, and also cheapest :)

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.....I have no idea of details--nothing new there,,,,but why not book a mid-eve flight ,20-21 as you say,,,,then you can have a nice dinner in Ali before hitting the airport.,or grab some fastfood if things run long?

 

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 06:45 AM

Okey, thanks anyway! Yeah, it is kind of a white people problem, I agree, still a "problem" though :P

I just thougt that since people here knows everything about everything, some one could have know this ;)

 

But yeah, doesnt seem likely that I wouldnt be able to catch a 20:40 flight from ALC, doesnt seem to be very far from the VOR Village to the airport.



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Posted 09 September 2014 - 12:19 PM

I was working with a cut and paste from whisper and didn't notice it missing.

 

First in leg one and first or second overall.

sorry was drunk posting what's the odds on brunel finding a charted mountain or breaking apart







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