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#1 Lono

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 07:26 PM

Sailing the Vineyard Race this weekend for the first time. Would love some advice regarding the race, currents, tactical approach. Also, general discussion is welcome.

 

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 07:48 PM

It's like the thread title called to me....

Do whatever you want the first 230 miles. All that matters is the last 10.

Only kinda kidding

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 08:01 PM

Figured a lot came down to hoping for a gale and trying to win through attrition, or figuring out how to deal with adverse current in the Race and the Gut



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Posted 26 August 2014 - 08:07 PM

The blowhard will be hear in 10 minutes to tell you!
Lets wait of him!

Or just follow someone better than you on the tracker

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 08:53 PM

Study the Stevens institute tide projection map like it's gospel.

Prepare for restarts when you enter and exit the sound and frequently at sunset

Never sail into smith town bay no matter how good it may look or feel.

Recognize that there is no middle

Do not hit 1bi. Do not assume the race will run the long course. Do not assume the tower will be lit. Do not race in a hurricane. Do not cut the small channel buoy right before the finish. The sluiceway isn't real. Neither is fishers island sound. Do bring an electric fly swatter. Do not assume that being August means the North Atlantic will be warm at night. Do not be in the middle of the sound when breeze is transitioning. Do rock hop plum island to get to the race in foul tide. Do not do the race on anything other than a sc52, J/122 or j44 (or carina). Do not think that getting north from the south side of the sound on the trip back will be painless. Do not overthink tides between BI and the tower if you're moving well. Do go as fast as possible there. Do overthink those tides if it gets light. Do practice your stealthy anchor deployment technique. Do not think im kidding about that. When in doubt watch for a sea breeze. If it doesn't come then be glad you practiced anchoring. Do not believe that Edith when she tells you she's on the pill. Do not make plans for Sunday except to drink to excess at the party.

Do laugh at this poem. It is more truth than I care to admit.


The Buzzard

Inspired by The Raven by Edgar Allen Poe.


On stormy watches, dark and dreary,

I often ponder, weak and weary,

On why I do this race,

a race Ive done so many times before.
There I am, cold and soggy,

cant see a thing its so damn foggy.

And we know well be there hours more.

Hours more.

Invariably I must compare,

there entombed in humid air,

other Vineyards that were worse

(at least this currents not reverse!),

like the time when it was steamy,

and we were drifting off Coekoenie,

By the Norwalk Islands,

those Islands I abhor.

Another Vineyard back a score,

I heard the winds victorious roar,

as it destroyed our Number Four,

and yet that was just the start of it,

the pounding made the fuel tank split.

And there was diesel sloshing,

washing over the cabin floor.

The air acquired a certain thickness,

which leads of course to quick sea sickness.

Five guys lost it in their bunks,

which only added to the funk,

and yes there was even more we had in store.

Five guys were down below half dead,

and one them goes to the head,

And emerges from the rank latrine,

with a quart of Mr Clean.

He pours it out around the mast,

and then things happened really fast.

like mad wasps swarming from a nest,

thats how one can describe it best,

Into the night the six emerged,

as even more of their meals were purged,

and right then is when the reef gear blew,

and tore right through the mainsails clew,

and now we were in the Gut

and in very deep, deep doo-doo.

Without an engine or a sail,

and it still blowing quite a gale,

there was no other better choice,

the storm jib was then quickly hoist.

We ground it up and got it set,

but the story is not over yet.

The turning block for the halyard snapped,

the storm jib flogged and the sheets got wrapped,

It was at that very moment that I swore,

I swore it to my very core,

that I would do the Vineyard nevermore.

Nevermore.

But every Buzzard has these stories,

tales of woe and tales of glories,

and other things weve never, ever seen before.

So raise your drinks or hoist your beer,

because to the Vineyard Race well cheer.

Quoth the Buzzard. Evermore.

Quoth the Buzzard. Evermore.



Do thank the organizers. They do a great job.

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 09:07 PM

Thanks LH, very good.



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Posted 26 August 2014 - 10:17 PM

Electric fly swatter may be the most vital piece of equipment. Hats only work so well. 



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Posted 26 August 2014 - 10:43 PM

Electric fly swatter may be the most vital piece of equipment. Hats only work so well. 

 

In a pinch rubbing alcohol in a spray bottle works pretty well if you're not opposed to chemical warfare.

 

Nice poem LH.  Only one thing to disagree with, the Sluiceway is real, I've seen it...Still doesn't make it a good idea.



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Posted 26 August 2014 - 11:08 PM

i've been through the sluiceway - can't say it helped though...

 

i worry about rocks there - people say they hit "uncharted" rocks in the sluiceway, but i wonder if they are just hitting the charted rocks and don't want  to admit it.



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Posted 27 August 2014 - 12:48 AM

i've been through the sluiceway - can't say it helped though...
 
i worry about rocks there - people say they hit "uncharted" rocks in the sluiceway, but i wonder if they are just hitting the charted rocks and don't want  to admit it.

Drifted through it once. Backwards :(
Also gone thru FI Sound a few times
Seen a Couple of guys win going South of BI outbound
Maybe LH hasn't seen it all yet ???

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 01:04 AM

Seen a Couple of guys win going South of BI outbound

R d M



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Posted 27 August 2014 - 01:17 AM

Best RdM and vineyard story. 2009 or 2010 and it is a decent air start but turns out to be a light year. I don't pay attention at the start. We rip down the sound before the wind fades and then spend the night struggling across to the light. Dawn arrived and the only two boats drifting by the turning mark are us and RdM.

And that is when we found out that you really need to look at the RC boat at the start for the signal of a shortened course.

Oops. We are back for another go this year. Provided I get the starter motor repaired/replaced tomorrow so I can do the delivery.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 01:35 AM

Best RdM and vineyard story. 2009 or 2010 and it is a decent air start but turns out to be a light year. I don't pay attention at the start. We rip down the sound before the wind fades and then spend the night struggling across to the light. Dawn arrived and the only two boats drifting by the turning mark are us and RdM.
And that is when we found out that you really need to look at the RC boat at the start for the signal of a shortened course.
Oops. We are back for another go this year. Provided I get the starter motor repaired/replaced tomorrow so I can do the delivery.

Quite a few notable sailors made the same mistake that year.
One rhymes with 'cutch'.
Although don't recall it being light.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 01:59 AM

If the conditions are right, even if all your friends and neighbors and the big boys in front are all heading into Gardiners Bay and the Gut from the south end of BI, consider the Race. On occasion it pays. Big.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 03:10 PM

Best RdM and vineyard story. 2009 or 2010 and it is a decent air start but turns out to be a light year. I don't pay attention at the start. We rip down the sound before the wind fades and then spend the night struggling across to the light. Dawn arrived and the only two boats drifting by the turning mark are us and RdM.

And that is when we found out that you really need to look at the RC boat at the start for the signal of a shortened course.

Oops. We are back for another go this year. Provided I get the starter motor repaired/replaced tomorrow so I can do the delivery.

 

Sounds like 2009.  2009 was shortened for light air.  2010 was shortened for way too damn much (hurricane on the race course.)  '09 was my Vineyard cherry popper.  How I loved sitting on the south side of the Sound for four hours on beautiful mirror seas because "this is where the wind is gonna fill in from."  



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Posted 27 August 2014 - 03:21 PM

Sounds like 2009.  2009 was shortened for light air.  2010 was shortened for way too damn much (hurricane on the race course.)  '09 was my Vineyard cherry popper.  How I loved sitting on the south side of the Sound for four hours on beautiful mirror seas because "this is where the wind is gonna fill in from."  

The LIS sotherley ussualley filles in from the nothe.



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Posted 27 August 2014 - 03:28 PM

Sounds like 2009.  2009 was shortened for light air.  2010 was shortened for way too damn much (hurricane on the race course.)  '09 was my Vineyard cherry popper.  How I loved sitting on the south side of the Sound for four hours on beautiful mirror seas because "this is where the wind is gonna fill in from."  

The LIS sotherley ussualley filles in from the nothe.

You mean from the "nothing" don't you, snags?



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Posted 27 August 2014 - 03:34 PM


Best RdM and vineyard story. 2009 or 2010 and it is a decent air start but turns out to be a light year. I don't pay attention at the start. We rip down the sound before the wind fades and then spend the night struggling across to the light. Dawn arrived and the only two boats drifting by the turning mark are us and RdM.

And that is when we found out that you really need to look at the RC boat at the start for the signal of a shortened course.

Oops. We are back for another go this year. Provided I get the starter motor repaired/replaced tomorrow so I can do the delivery.

 
Sounds like 2009.  2009 was shortened for light air.  2010 was shortened for way too damn much (hurricane on the race course.)  '09 was my Vineyard cherry popper.  How I loved sitting on the south side of the Sound for four hours on beautiful mirror seas because "this is where the wind is gonna fill in from."


Yeah thats right it did go light. They all start to run together. Shortened to save the party. Boat won 2 years
in a row (only times it did the Vineyard) and still hasn't left LIS.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 03:43 PM

 

Sounds like 2009.  2009 was shortened for light air.  2010 was shortened for way too damn much (hurricane on the race course.)  '09 was my Vineyard cherry popper.  How I loved sitting on the south side of the Sound for four hours on beautiful mirror seas because "this is where the wind is gonna fill in from."  

The LIS sotherley ussualley filles in from the nothe.

You mean from the "nothing" don't you, snags?

No, ocien seabreezes bounse overt the hot littelle iland  and touches downe neare CT side LIS.  As it settelles in the touche down pointe mooves southe towardws LI.



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Posted 27 August 2014 - 06:10 PM

Sailing the Vineyard Race this weekend for the first time. Would love some advice regarding the race, currents, tactical approach. Also, general discussion is welcome.
 
L

Don't do it, is the best advise you will get.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 06:16 PM

 

 

Sounds like 2009.  2009 was shortened for light air.  2010 was shortened for way too damn much (hurricane on the race course.)  '09 was my Vineyard cherry popper.  How I loved sitting on the south side of the Sound for four hours on beautiful mirror seas because "this is where the wind is gonna fill in from."  

The LIS sotherley ussualley filles in from the nothe.

You mean from the "nothing" don't you, snags?

No, ocien seabreezes bounse overt the hot littelle iland  and touches downe neare CT side LIS.  As it settelles in the touche down pointe mooves southe towardws LI.

Yes, I got you. BTW, this is nothing new. I can remember races back in the 70's and 80's where the taller rigs just took off on the overshoot breeze and the little guys were just left holding johnson. There was once a bumper sticker in CT that said "Save the Breeze, Nuke the Island". 



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Posted 27 August 2014 - 06:47 PM


Sailing the Vineyard Race this weekend for the first time. Would love some advice regarding the race, currents, tactical approach. Also, general discussion is welcome.
 
L

Don't do it, is the best advise you will get.


Google 'Arthur Knapp' and read some books.
By any J boat with a sprit
Suck up to PHRF Comm
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Posted 27 August 2014 - 06:54 PM

They postponed a day in 2010 Cus a hurricane blew stink. Think they take 4 hours if one sucks all the breeze out!?

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 07:31 PM


 


 


Sounds like 2009.  2009 was shortened for light air.  2010 was shortened for way too damn much (hurricane on the race course.)  '09 was my Vineyard cherry popper.  How I loved sitting on the south side of the Sound for four hours on beautiful mirror seas because "this is where the wind is gonna fill in from."  

The LIS sotherley ussualley filles in from the nothe.
You mean from the "nothing" don't you, snags?
No, ocien seabreezes bounse overt the hot littelle iland  and touches downe neare CT side LIS.  As it settelles in the touche down pointe mooves southe towardws LI.
Yes, I got you. BTW, this is nothing new. I can remember races back in the 70's and 80's where the taller rigs just took off on the overshoot breeze and the little guys were just left holding johnson. There was once a bumper sticker in CT that said "Save the Breeze, Nuke the Island". 

1/2 the 420's in LIS had that written on their transoms.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 08:56 PM

"LIS where it always blows and sometimes there's wind"



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Posted 27 August 2014 - 09:29 PM

Where it always sucks and sometimes It blows

Get it right jeez

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 09:40 PM

If in doubt, work your way right.
You can get a lot closer to Tea Pot than anyone thinks.
If it is a thermal southerly, expect it to die and be replaced by a northerly at the tide change in the middle of the night.
The tower isn't where you think it is.
Don't confuse Gay Head Light for The Tower.
Buy Ray Redniss a drink.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 09:48 PM

You can get a lot closer to Tea Pot than anyone thinks.
 

I coud almoeste toche rocks width my hande.            :)



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Posted 28 August 2014 - 01:44 PM

2010 popped my cherry for that race (and was my first race on that boat). Fucking fun aside from the breakages.... Fucking wet, too. All of the vineyards I've done have been enjoyable with generally enough wind....

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 02:12 PM

Whatever you do:

 

Watch out for Heavy Metal

Do not plan on anything shoreside on Monday. 

 

Sail safe!



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Posted 28 August 2014 - 02:34 PM

Where it always sucks and sometimes It blows

Get it right jeez

Whatever it's blowin, LH thinks its 15 kts more

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 03:04 PM


Where it always sucks and sometimes It blows

Get it right jeez

Whatever it's blowin, LH thinks its 15 kts more

I predict 1000 knots this weekend.

Now can we do advice for virgins in other areas!?

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 03:05 PM

 


Where it always sucks and sometimes It blows

Get it right jeez

Whatever it's blowin, LH thinks its 15 kts more

I predict 1000 knots this weekend.

Now can we do advice for virgins in other areas!?

 

Go find a hooker in the bad part of stamford - its your only hope. 



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Posted 28 August 2014 - 06:12 PM

 

 


Where it always sucks and sometimes It blows

Get it right jeez

Whatever it's blowin, LH thinks its 15 kts more

I predict 1000 knots this weekend.

Now can we do advice for virgins in other areas!?

 

Go find a hooker in the bad part of stamford - its your only hope. 

I thouht Cameroone tooke care that??



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Posted 28 August 2014 - 06:46 PM




Where it always sucks and sometimes It blows

Get it right jeez

Whatever it's blowin, LH thinks its 15 kts more


I predict 1000 knots this weekend.

Now can we do advice for virgins in other areas!?


 
Go find a hooker in the bad part of stamford - its your only hope.


There's a bad part of Stamford?

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 08:58 PM





Where it always sucks and sometimes It blows

Get it right jeez

Whatever it's blowin, LH thinks its 15 kts more


I predict 1000 knots this weekend.

Now can we do advice for virgins in other areas!?


 
Go find a hooker in the bad part of stamford - its your only hope.


I thouht Cameroone tooke care that??


Mail Order Bride?

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 01:38 AM

2010 popped my cherry for that race (and was my first race on that boat). Fucking fun aside from the breakages.... Fucking wet, too. All of the vineyards I've done have been enjoyable with generally enough wind....


I don't know how fun it was to toss the code 0 overboard ;-)

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 02:44 AM

2010 popped my cherry for that race (and was my first race on that boat). Fucking fun aside from the breakages.... Fucking wet, too. All of the vineyards I've done have been enjoyable with generally enough wind....


I don't know how fun it was to toss the code 0 overboard ;-)

that was the second time i did the race.... never let the tactician out of the cockpit. EVER.



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 12:11 PM

Spoken like a true bowman.
Remind me to smack you next time I see you.
And if we are talking about who I think we are talking about, that little prat is no tactician.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 12:59 PM

 

 

 

Where it always sucks and sometimes It blows

Get it right jeez

Whatever it's blowin, LH thinks its 15 kts more

 

I predict 1000 knots this weekend.

Now can we do advice for virgins in other areas!?

 

 
Go find a hooker in the bad part of stamford - its your only hope.

 

There's a bad part of Stamford?

I was going to ask, "There's a good part of Stamford?"



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 01:26 PM

Spoken like a true bowman.
Remind me to smack you next time I see you.
And if we are talking about who I think we are talking about, that little prat is no tactician.

I will remind you to do no such thing - im a bowman, not an idiot.... 



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 03:33 PM

i've been through the sluiceway - can't say it helped though...
 
i worry about rocks there - people say they hit "uncharted" rocks in the sluiceway, but i wonder if they are just hitting the charted rocks and don't want  to admit it.

Drifted through it once. Backwards :(
Also gone thru FI Sound a few times
Seen a Couple of guys win going South of BI outbound
Maybe LH hasn't seen it all yet ???

I went thru the Sluice on the E-42 "Rogue" spinnaker up going about mach 5 in 20 knots of wind and rain. 

 

It was my first vineyard race, We won our class , I have not been able to talk anyone into going through  in the other 7 races i sailed since.  

 

Ed Dole was no joke!



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Posted 29 August 2014 - 09:26 PM

Has anyone had any luck with the tracker? 



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Posted 30 August 2014 - 12:08 AM

Has anyone had any luck with the tracker? 

 

This  tracker?

"Error establishing a database connection"

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 01:58 AM

Try Marine Traffic for AIS. Most of us seem to be squawking.

Coming up on the Race. We have been swapping the Class 40 lead between us and Le Coq. Ducking croissant powered speed machine.

Solent off the line in 9 knots. Wind died off Port Jeff. Like dead calm. We hooked into the new breeze first and legged out. Code five in light and highly variable wind until 1900 when ít strengthened to 10 to 15. Down to the solent.

Boat is moving well, and it is very beautiful out here.

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 07:11 AM

Really nice of the Stamford YC to use unproven and inferior tracking.   Since it is cellphone based and only Verizon has significant coverage, what happens to the boats that have (god forbid) T mobile or ATT.  Has anybody been able to track the race? not just a couple of boats. This has to be one of the stupidest decisions in recent years, since there are many proven tracking systems.  Maybe they should have charged the YRA more than $12,000 for the YRA championship and sprung for a few dollars for tracling (Kattack?,Yelloe Brick?)  Oh well!



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Posted 30 August 2014 - 12:03 PM

Tracking site came up this morning, but apparently Android is not supported.

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 12:04 PM

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 01:48 PM

Tracker loaded on Windows, then froze.

 

Meanwhile, have some pictures.

 

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 04:36 PM

Back through the Gut and headed for Stamford under the Code 5 worth 11 knots of breeze from the SW. The conditions have been far better than the forecast, apart from the windless 90 minutes Tatar afternoon.

Last night's shy reach to the light was good, although Le Coq has one slippery boat. He got 2 miles on us, which he is still hanging on to. Meanwhile the other three Class 40 ' rounded the Buzzards light with in second of each other. I managed to open a bit of a gap in them during the run along the south side of Block.

Great conditions out here. It's an awesome way to spend the last days of summer.

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 09:06 PM

Maybe 15 miles out from Cows 32 and then another mile or two from the finish. It has been blowing mid teens on a near reach / close hauled course all the way from Plum Gut, with some adverse current from the ebb most of the way. Not a lot of latitude available for tactics in this situation - more about flat out, straight line speed.

We have held the gap in Bombardini who remains about 5.7 miles in front of us. We stabilized against the Oak cliff Kerr 50 who is maybe 3 miles in front of us. But the only boats I have really cared about are the other Class 40s.

We managed to claw back only 0.2 of the 2 miles we had fallen behind Le Coq and at this point we need to start hoping they screw something up and we are ready to pounce. We have managed to gap out a bit more on Macfarlane, and Ed has not really recovered from his slow stretch from block over to LIS.

More late. Time to finish this race.

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 11:16 PM

Well, this time I managed to sail the correct course and finish a Vineyard Race. Great job by Eric Lecoq in taking first amongst the Class 40s. We sailed a clean race and he gave us a spanking.

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 11:38 PM

Welle done!  and thackes fore blowe by blowe updattes!       :)



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Posted 31 August 2014 - 07:00 AM

hey where were the files??   freakin ridiculous...............



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Posted 31 August 2014 - 08:58 AM

hey where were the files??   freakin ridiculous...............

 

 

The files?  I shredded them.



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Posted 31 August 2014 - 03:52 PM


hey where were the files??   freakin ridiculous...............

 
 
The files?  I shredded them.

Heh heh heh..if those files were ever to be seen here ;-)

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 03:53 PM

I think he meant to say flies.

There were none on our boat this go around

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 08:10 PM

saw some off block

Apparently the sluiceway is a real thing. Party time!!!

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 08:12 PM

238 miles one tack at the tower. EBYRA would have thrown it out cause if you can fetch the first mark without tacking it don't count.

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 11:03 PM

238 miles one tack at the tower. EBYRA would have thrown it out cause if you can fetch the first mark without tacking it don't count.

That is why The Vinyard Race is for wing nuts like yourself, you actually think that was a race.

Yeah lots of tactics ;)

I could have won Thin Man's division with a Mac 26, with that competition he had :lol:   



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 05:18 AM

Plenty of tactical decisions to be made. Stay on the LI OR CT side or play the middle. Go thru the gut or the race or the sluiceway. The issue of how to play the current is a bit more complex in a distance race especially going into and out of the sound. It's also done during the dark maybe that's the real issue. And if you had a Mac 26 with a kite you would you would still be out ther and TM would beat you corrected by a good 24 hours. You may be a good sailor but distance racing requires more thought and analysis than going up and down a mile or 2.

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 11:57 AM


238 miles one tack at the tower. EBYRA would have thrown it out cause if you can fetch the first mark without tacking it don't count.

That is why The Vinyard Race is for wing nuts like yourself, you actually think that was a race.
Yeah lots of tactics ;)
I could have won Thin Man's division with a Mac 26, with that competition he had :lol:   

That 50hp outboard is a j92 killer :-)

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 12:19 PM

Espo should try sailing something other than his J29 (does he even sail that any more?). Be very revealing as to how well he may do.

And Johnnie, the first steps to recovery are admitting you are afraid of the dark. Once you are able to do that, it is a series of small steps until you can enjoy distance racing again. Baby steps Johnnie, baby steps.



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 03:45 PM

Plenty of tactical decisions to be made. Stay on the LI OR CT side or play the middle. Go thru the gut or the race or the sluiceway. The issue of how to play the current is a bit more complex in a distance race especially going into and out of the sound. It's also done during the dark maybe that's the real issue. And if you had a Mac 26 with a kite you would you would still be out ther and TM would beat you corrected by a good 24 hours. You may be a good sailor but distance racing requires more thought and analysis than going up and down a mile or 2.

Idiots sail distance races ;)



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 03:48 PM

Espo should try sailing something other than his J29 (does he even sail that any more?). Be very revealing as to how well he may do.

And Johnnie, the first steps to recovery are admitting you are afraid of the dark. Once you are able to do that, it is a series of small steps until you can enjoy distance racing again. Baby steps Johnnie, baby steps.

It's not the dark i would be scared about, it would be seeing the dead cat on your face in the dark.

You and the hacks on your boat should try some day racing, to see if you could beat Whirlwind.  :P

And when was the last time you set foot on something other than a beach ball 36.7? ;)



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 03:52 PM

 You may be a good sailor but distance racing requires more thought and analysis than going up and down a mile or 2.

Askeng fore trubbelle......



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 03:55 PM

And Johnnie, the first steps to recovery are admitting you are afraid of the dark. Once you are able to do that, it is a series of small steps until you can enjoy distance racing again. Baby steps Johnnie, baby steps.

Expo issente afraide dark, ist what hidding orhappendes in it.



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 03:58 PM

 beach ball 36.7? ;)

you saye thet to?



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 04:39 PM


Espo should try sailing something other than his J29 (does he even sail that any more?). Be very revealing as to how well he may do.
And Johnnie, the first steps to recovery are admitting you are afraid of the dark. Once you are able to do that, it is a series of small steps until you can enjoy distance racing again. Baby steps Johnnie, baby steps.

It's not the dark i would be scared about, it would be seeing the dead cat on your face in the dark.
You and the hacks on your boat should try some day racing, to see if you could beat Whirlwind.  :P
And when was the last time you set foot on something other than a beach ball 36.7? ;)


Spring Series 2013.
It didn't end well.

And you should be afraid of the cat.... very afraid!

Let see, we regularly beat Breakaway fairly handily. Breakaway gives Whrilwind a run for their money. Hmmmm.

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 04:42 PM

So what happened to Weegie? They entered The Vineyard, with a stiffer rating, then they got removed from the scratch sheet. I did notice the SIs clearly stated that DH boats were racing for DH prizes and not the overalls. Anyone know the story?

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 05:10 PM

FTW!



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 09:40 PM

 Breakaway gives Whrilwind a run for their money. Hmmmm.

 

Holy shit, put that crack pipe down.



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 09:48 PM

LOL, you don't understand how this game is played, do you egon?

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 09:52 PM

LOL, you don't understand how this game is played, do you egon?

 

I don't play games.



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 09:54 PM

Now that is funny.. So yacht racing and having a bit of fun with Espo, these you take seriously?

And on another semi-related subject, what happened on SM in the Vineyard? I would have thought that boat would have enjoyed that weather.

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 10:01 PM

Commodore Espo can attest to the fact that breakaway is ahead of whirlwind this season at ebyra. Right johnnie?

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 10:07 PM

Close.  I take the racing stuff seriously.  Espo can go die in a fire.

 

As for SM, that I don't know.  I was on the boat with the floppy keel.



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 10:17 PM

So what happened to Weegie? They entered The Vineyard, with a stiffer rating, then they got removed from the scratch sheet. I did notice the SIs clearly stated that DH boats were racing for DH prizes and not the overalls. Anyone know the story?


Silent protest..

Or maybe they were skeeeeeered of match racing Six Brothers

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 10:25 PM

A

Close.  I take the racing stuff seriously.  Espo can go die in a fire.
 
As for SM, that I don't know.  I was on the boat with the floppy keel.

Ahhhh, floppy keel boat. Right.
What, you don't love Espo? I am sure he will be heart broken. Some day you will have to tell me your Espo moment.

As Bitpitch points out, Breakaway showing Whirlwind how it is done.

Wait, you take racing seriously? No shit. The things you learn about people.

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 10:41 PM

So what happened to Weegie? They entered The Vineyard, with a stiffer rating, then they got removed from the scratch sheet. I did notice the SIs clearly stated that DH boats were racing for DH prizes and not the overalls. Anyone know the story?


Silent protest..

Or maybe they were skeeeeeered of match racing Six Brothers

FTW!



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 10:47 PM

So what happened to Weegie? They entered The Vineyard, with a stiffer rating, then they got removed from the scratch sheet. I did notice the SIs clearly stated that DH boats were racing for DH prizes and not the overalls. Anyone know the story?

 

the DH boats have their own DH trophy

 

in case you are thinking that it's a disadvantage to be DH, consider the weight penalty of being fully crewed - which is faster..., a DH J/120, or a J/120 with 8 or 10 people, food, water, gear.., etc?

 

anyway, there probably shouldn't be overall prizes in the vineyard race - results depend too much on when you get to the exit/entrance, which depends on when you start, and boat size.

 

Th DH boats start an hour ahead of similar sized fully crewed boats and get to the exit an hour earlier - that can either hurt or help. the smallest IRC boats start well before the fastest, but get to the exit sometimes hours after the fastest IRC boats - how can any meaningful comparison be made?



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 10:48 PM

Heard SS took a bullet without number six. Is it true!?

Nice speech BTBOTFA

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 10:57 PM

Heard SS took a bullet without number six. Is it true!?

Nice speech BTBOTFA

 

It's true, so we all took turns reminding the rest of the crew that "We're trying to win a fucking yacht race here."

 

Sad I missed the party, if the pics on FB are any indication it was a pretty good time.



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 11:00 PM

Did you take turns insulting one another?

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 11:02 PM

Did you take turns insulting one another?

 

No, we're happy to do that full time.  After all, isn't calling someone an incompetent asshole really just a way to say I love you but I want you to sail faster?



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Posted 01 September 2014 - 11:53 PM

"Roast the ones you love"

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:03 AM

"Roast the ones you love"

Dahmere quote?



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Posted 02 September 2014 - 12:47 AM

Everyone on SS picked up their game. Besides not having number 6 aboard we were one man short. All worked hard constant trimming, taking turns driving even tho I did come up from doing some navigating about 10 miles from the finish and had to say. "Hike hard bitches we are trying to win a fuckin yacht race" something I may have heard number 6 utter once

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 01:58 PM

Heard SS took a bullet without number six. Is it true!?

Nice speech BTBOTFA

Thanks LH, talking with the wife and son of the original Cotton Blossom skipper was a special treat --and they were wonderfully appreciative that I actually knew the history of the rivalry and how wonderful  that period of yacht-racing was.....now where's my response re:youth sailing initiatives etc. Time to go to school and re-engage your brain. By the way, awesome photobombing on all the Honahlee pics...that's a great crew on that boat, bunch of Shields guys who know their way around a Montesano.....



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Posted 02 September 2014 - 01:58 PM



Espo should try sailing something other than his J29 (does he even sail that any more?). Be very revealing as to how well he may do.
And Johnnie, the first steps to recovery are admitting you are afraid of the dark. Once you are able to do that, it is a series of small steps until you can enjoy distance racing again. Baby steps Johnnie, baby steps.

It's not the dark i would be scared about, it would be seeing the dead cat on your face in the dark.
You and the hacks on your boat should try some day racing, to see if you could beat Whirlwind.  :P
And when was the last time you set foot on something other than a beach ball 36.7? ;)


Spring Series 2013.
It didn't end well.

And you should be afraid of the cat.... very afraid!

Let see, we regularly beat Breakaway fairly handily. Breakaway gives Whrilwind a run for their money. Hmmmm.


and yet no Shooting Star on the 36.7 North Amercian Championship which is being held locally. Hmmmmm.

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 02:03 PM

The boat is not one design compliant.

 

Not everyone can pull a Jim Bishop and maintain two separate boats, one for OD and the other for handicap.  I will say though that was interesting to see how a number of 36.7s sporting a number of different concepts stacked up in the Vineyard.  I think we had at least three different configurations but thanks to ratings math we all came out to the same number which made things fun.



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Posted 02 September 2014 - 02:25 PM

 

 

Espo should try sailing something other than his J29 (does he even sail that any more?). Be very revealing as to how well he may do.
And Johnnie, the first steps to recovery are admitting you are afraid of the dark. Once you are able to do that, it is a series of small steps until you can enjoy distance racing again. Baby steps Johnnie, baby steps.

It's not the dark i would be scared about, it would be seeing the dead cat on your face in the dark.
You and the hacks on your boat should try some day racing, to see if you could beat Whirlwind.  :P
And when was the last time you set foot on something other than a beach ball 36.7? ;)

 

Spring Series 2013.
It didn't end well.

And you should be afraid of the cat.... very afraid!

Let see, we regularly beat Breakaway fairly handily. Breakaway gives Whrilwind a run for their money. Hmmmm.

 

and yet no Shooting Star on the 36.7 North Amercian Championship which is being held locally. Hmmmmm.

Last time we had one design sails was for a NOOD back in 2006 or 7 or something--I sold my old North one design 3/4 spinnaker to a guy who just bought a 36.7 on Long Island and the rest of my old 3dl's with buttons on them  have been in the basement delaminating further for years now. So not fair to the guys who are doing the race in compliance to try and get some special dispensation for using out of spec sails and not fair to the crew to go there with non-competitive arrows in the quiver. We don't have a 153 or 155 no. 1 and we don't have anything close to a compliant symmetrical kite. Would it be fun to mix it up, even though its that boring up-down, up-down race track, yah, but....



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Posted 02 September 2014 - 05:27 PM

LOL, you don't understand how this game is played, do you egon?

 
I don't play games.
You don't play games and you suck at sailing.
What do you do??

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 05:29 PM

Bitpitch, on 01 Sept 2014 - 18:05, said:
Commodore Espo can attest to the fact that breakaway is ahead of whirlwind this season at ebyra. Right johnnie?

Yes that is true, but Billy has been away the last 2 weeks.
I don't think that will stay like that over the next 3 weeks.
Both Bene's need to worry about Andiamo

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 05:30 PM

egon, on 01 Sept 2014 - 18:11, said:
Close. I take the racing stuff seriously. Espo can go die in a fire.

As for SM, that I don't know. I was on the boat with the floppy keel.

Pussy,
Would you care to tell me that to my face?

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 05:32 PM

No.6, on 01 Sept 2014 - 18:29, said:
A

egon, on 01 Sept 2014 - 18:11, said:
Close. I take the racing stuff seriously. Espo can go die in a fire.

As for SM, that I don't know. I was on the boat with the floppy keel.

Ahhhh, floppy keel boat. Right.
What, you don't love Espo? I am sure he will be heart broken. Some day you will have to tell me your Espo moment.

As Bitpitch points out, Breakaway showing Whirlwind how it is done.

Wait, you take racing seriously? No shit. The things you learn about people.
He takes racing seriously, but sucks at it.
Can't sail his way out of a paper bag with both ends open

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 09:20 PM

This thread is showing some second wind potential.

 

I have sailed with Egon.... reference my comment about spring series 2013. That is neither here nor there.

 

Oh and Espo, you suck (typed with a chuckle) and I would gladly say that to your face.... so long as I knew who was lurking behind me! :D

 

Now, back to my questions about Weegie. Why did they pull out prematurely?



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Posted 02 September 2014 - 10:47 PM

Plenty of tactical decisions to be made. Stay on the LI OR CT side or play the middle. Go thru the gut or the race or the sluiceway. The issue of how to play the current is a bit more complex in a distance race especially going into and out of the sound. It's also done during the dark maybe that's the real issue. And if you had a Mac 26 with a kite you would you would still be out ther and TM would beat you corrected by a good 24 hours. You may be a good sailor but distance racing requires more thought and analysis than going up and down a mile or 2.

Idiots sail distance races ;)

This espo dude seems perfectly suited for distance races... SH of course.

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 10:56 PM

This thread is showing some second wind potential.
 
I have sailed with Egon.... reference my comment about spring series 2013. That is neither here nor there.
 
Oh and Espo, you suck (typed with a chuckle) and I would gladly say that to your face.... so long as I knew who was lurking behind me! :D
 
Now, back to my questions about Weegie. Why did they pull out prematurely?

Since none of us seen to a) know, or b ) give a shit, why dont you call Weegie and ask him yourself? Maybe they have a life!

Let's move on. This event is history.

More interesting is who will Espo get to replace his crew at 2015 BIRW who has promised never to sail in an STC event again? LH? Are there tryouts? Hustlers Got Talent competition?

Lovely sunset at Menemaha tonight!

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 11:10 PM

Edith and all along I thought you were saying in your inimitable British way Fuck The Widget.....oh well btw wtf is a weegie?




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