[Madmax]

Sailed to Hawaii with a great crew. Everyone got along well. Peter Heck and Jay Crum were excellent watch captains and Dave Janes and Bill Turpin are great leaders. Excellent preparation and a good fun boat.

My first Transpac. Sort of a special trip. F**k, to me, a very special trip.

Great Crew 'feng shui' overall. Really a good time.

Being the new un-paid sailor, I was at times not exactly perfect. But I tried and did my best. As a designated driver and general weather guy I contributed my grunt on the handles too. This was a killer trip and I have awesome memories.

Segway

Bow guy is a raving egotistical egomaniac. He is VERY good at bow and was probably one of the best I have ever sailed with. Shit, he is the best I have ever sailed with.


I won't mention his name, but anyone who knows our bow guy either likes him or hates him. I think I tried to get along with him and he chose to try and ferret me out because I was one of the only non paid sailors. Using all means to divide, he never broke me. But what a fucking asshole for trying! Kid humour is very childish.

[Colin]

what boat?

and its "feng shui" but nice try.

[LateNite]

He's already posted the boat's name on another thread.

[Great Red Shark]

Don't know him or what he sailed on, or even the alleged bowman, but we ALL know the type. Eventually he will reap what he sows. Meanwhile, take the high road, and plan your pranks carefully.

[Pete M]

buzz him at 450 kts, he can't do that - - all in fun of course

[coyote]

If you are refering to whom I think you are (hold on I'm just opening a beer), he is a mediocre bowman at best. Dont let all the hype and bluster fool you. A truly annoying person the sail with.

[Right Coast]

I have seen similar behavior on numerous occasions and have noticed a trend:

The really good guys aren't egomaniacs, while they may be intense, they are not hung up on putting those around them down, instead, they teach.

It seems to be the mediocre guys who feel that they must make others look bad (especially in front of the owner) to justify their existance. Likely it is because they are insecure and somehow feel threatened by the amateurs on the boat. They figure that the only way they will continue to get paid is make a point of showing everyone how much "better" they are. While they may be talented, their presence onboard will usually detract from the program not add to it.

[jdougherty]

Right Coast, on Jul 27 2005, 09:54 AM, said:

I have seen similar behavior on numerous occasions and have noticed a trend:

The really good guys aren't egomaniacs, while they may be intense they are not hung up on putting those around them down, instead, they teach.

It seems to be the mediocre guys who feel that they must make others look bad (especially in front of the owner) to justify their existance. Likely it is because they are insecure and somehow feel threatened by the amateurs on the boat. They figure that the only way they will continue to get paid is make a point of showing everyone how much "better" they are. While thay may be talented, their presence on onboard will usually detract from the program not add to it.

Spot on.

[Ron Burgundy]

Right Coast, on Jul 27 2005, 06:54 AM, said:

I have seen similar behavior on numerous occasions and have noticed a trend:

The really good guys aren't egomaniacs, while they may be intense, they are not hung up on putting those around them down, instead, they teach.

It seems to be the mediocre guys who feel that they must make others look bad (especially in front of the owner) to justify their existance. Likely it is because they are insecure and somehow feel threatened by the amateurs on the boat. They figure that the only way they will continue to get paid is make a point of showing everyone how much "better" they are. While they may be talented, their presence onboard will usually detract from the program not add to it.

Yup.

I had a guy that I considered a complete jackass and egomaniac. Then I got to sail with him and he taught me tons about not only the bow, but about strategy, etc. The key for me was to leave my preconceived notions at the dock. Sure am glad I did. He turned out to be a really cool guy that was really interested in educating.

[cside]

Right Coast, on Jul 27 2005, 06:54 AM, said:

The really good guys aren't egomaniacs, while they may be intense, they are not hung up on putting those around them down, instead, they teach.

It seems to be the mediocre guys who feel that they must make others look bad (especially in front of the owner) to justify their existance. Likely it is because they are insecure and somehow feel threatened by the amateurs on the boat. They figure that the only way they will continue to get paid is make a point of showing everyone how much "better" they are. While they may be talented, their presence onboard will usually detract from the program not add to it.

AMEN!!!

I have sailed with some of the most egotistical bastards ever. But the ones that have helped the boat go fast, are the ones that taught while they criticized. This is a common thread on this site.

Right on Right Coast!!

[Black Spot]

Bow guys are aggressive and egocentrical because of all the team, they stand alone, forward, on stage, where the boat pounds, bow sounds, sheets whip and the water flies.

I love the bow.

[coyote]

Black Spot, on Jul 27 2005, 07:49 AM, said:

Bow guys are aggressive and egocentrical because of all the team, they stand alone, forward, on stage, where the boat pounds, bow sounds, sheets whip and the water flies.

I love the bow.

Get over yourself, please.

[cbags]

coyote, on Jul 27 2005, 10:51 AM, said:

Black Spot, on Jul 27 2005, 07:49 AM, said:

Bow guys are aggressive and egocentrical because of all the team, they stand alone, forward, on stage, where the boat pounds, bow sounds, sheets whip and the water flies.

I love the bow.

Get over yourself, please.

Soon as he does he'll be a better foredeck

[cbags]

Good foredeck shouldn't have to TELL everyoe about how good they are. Thats what the guys in the BACK of the boat are for.

[Jem]

Right Coast, on Jul 27 2005, 02:54 PM, said:

I have seen similar behavior on numerous occasions and have noticed a trend:

The really good guys aren't egomaniacs, while they may be intense, they are not hung up on putting those around them down, instead, they teach.

It seems to be the mediocre guys who feel that they must make others look bad (especially in front of the owner) to justify their existance. Likely it is because they are insecure and somehow feel threatened by the amateurs on the boat. They figure that the only way they will continue to get paid is make a point of showing everyone how much "better" they are. While they may be talented, their presence onboard will usually detract from the program not add to it.

here, here

J

[Jem]

Black Spot, on Jul 27 2005, 03:49 PM, said:

Bow guys are aggressive and egocentrical because of all the team, they stand alone, forward, on stage, where the boat pounds, bow sounds, sheets whip and the water flies.

I love the bow.

yawn

[Test]

Right Coast, on Jul 27 2005, 06:54 AM, said:

It seems to be the mediocre guys who feel that they must make others look bad (especially in front of the owner) to justify their existance. Likely it is because they are insecure and somehow feel threatened by the amateurs on the boat. They figure that the only way they will continue to get paid is make a point of showing everyone how much "better" they are. While they may be talented, their presence onboard will usually detract from the program not add to it.

I've found the behavior noted below true for many of the our local "Club Pro's." There are a few good apples, but the pro's and the wannabe's seem to want to impress, demean and scapegoat. And the mean time, they miss the basics. It's been my expereince, once you get into the ranks of "World Class," attitudes change completely.

Just my observations from slumin around the docks.

[Rusty]

A sign of a truly talented (fill in the sport here) is that they raise the level of performance of their teammates.

Egomaniacs may have the skills to deliver solid individual performances...but that can only take a crew/boat so far.

[suider]

Q-, on Jul 27 2005, 08:33 AM, said:

News Flash: Some Bow Guys Have Egos.

remember... Nil illegitimis carborundum

-- Q

News Flash: Some Tacticians Have Egos.
Follow Up Story: Some Skippers Have Egos.
Your Local Weather: A cold front coming in, and a 25%chance your owner will have an ego.

Not trying to be too much of a devil's advocate, but......

[Right Coast]

suider, on Jul 27 2005, 11:56 AM, said:

Your Local Weather: A cold front coming in, and a 25%chance your owner will have an ego.

And soiled britches.

[pbfxst]

I'm curious about the 'PRO' part. How much is a good bow man paid for the transpac?

Is this a full time career, or just income to suppliment their day job?

sign me 'day dreaming at the office'

[suider]

Right Coast, on Jul 27 2005, 08:59 AM, said:

suider, on Jul 27 2005, 11:56 AM, said:

Your Local Weather: A cold front coming in, and a 25%chance your owner will have an ego.

And soiled britches.

Oh, no...
THAT'S more like 65%

:lol:

[Captain Bastard]

I have a catapult. Give me all the money, or I will fling an enormous rock at your head.

Is that what Q is saying in his signature?

Peritissimos semper praevidere possumus, rudi autem periculosi sunt. Might be more suitable to this thread?

[d'ranger]

Best bow guy I ever sailed with (I did bow for many years myself) was very, very quiet. never fvcked up. When he did speak everyone listened. And while I don't sail with Pros, unless you count sailmakers, the best ones are also the best teachers. When they say something it is to make the team better. or as they say, there is no I in Team, but there is in Dick.