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[sshow bob]

what is the fastest c boat and what is the slowest d boat?

how much of a range

Currently, C begins at 103 and D begins at 141. You'd have a couple of the Olsons right at or near 105 through a boats in the 190's. I think that's too broad. I haven't done a scatter of them though, so I don't know where the heaviest concentrations of boats fall. I do know that if I get my frigging boat launched we'll have five boats or so right around 165-170, which will make for good racing in that band.

[Kitty in Drag]

December 6,2005

Freeport- It is with great sadness that I report the passing of Kitty's red Nantucket Shorts. In a freak industrial accident this weekend the shorts were lost when the whole crotch experienced a massive structural failure.

The shorts, once designated by Mrs. Kitty "for dress up occasions", were the veteran of two Marblehead to Halifaxs, several Monhegans, several YtoYs and various GOMRA races.

In lew of flowers please pay tribute to the pants by attaching drink swizzle sticks to the Kitty truck located at Handys.

It is a very emotional time for all.

[TheBoathouse]

December 6,2005

In lew of flowers please pay tribute to the pants by attaching drink swizzle sticks to the Kitty truck located at Handys.

Ahh to you mean the truck I saw G doing brodies with then flipping over several times in the aforementioned red sled owners back yard?? He was yelling something about drunken fried chicken heads...

[Soggy]

December 6,2005

Freeport- It is with great sadness that I report the passing of Kitty's red Nantucket Shorts. In a freak industrial accident this weekend the shorts were lost when the whole crotch experienced a massive structural failure.

The shorts, once designated by Mrs. Kitty "for dress up occasions", were the veteran of two Marblehead to Halifaxs, several Monhegans, several YtoYs and various GOMRA races.

In lew of flowers please pay tribute to the pants by attaching drink swizzle sticks to the Kitty truck located at Handys.

It is a very emotional time for all.

Dear Kitty,

My sincere condolence to you and your family. I know what a difficult time you must be having with this especially at this time of year.

I think what we need is a good old fashion wake. And I can’t think of a better place than “Mark’s” at exit 8. We can all raise a glass of grog to those old Nantucket red’s that got blown out by a big dog.

Then we can get down to business and discuss (OK dream about) racing GMORA next summer. How about starting the wake next Thursday night @ 8:30? If your significant other will not understand you skipping out on a week night for this mournful event…you can always say that you’re doing a little xmas shopping (wink wink).

For the female SA’s out there I understand that it will be amateur night, so please feel free to attend you might be able to win some holiday bling.

My thoughts and prayers are with you,

Soggy

P.S. Kitty any chance of getting those reds re-cut into a .5oz runner??

[Kitty in Drag]

Nice!!!
Combo Gulf of Maine Anarchy X-mas Party and Irish wake for kittys shorts!!!
think we can get a stripper to wear them?
I'm in!!!
Kitty out

[Reckon Dead]

December 6,2005

Freeport- It is with great sadness that I report the passing of Kitty's red Nantucket Shorts. In a freak industrial accident this weekend the shorts were lost when the whole crotch experienced a massive structural failure.

The shorts, once designated by Mrs. Kitty "for dress up occasions", were the veteran of two Marblehead to Halifaxs, several Monhegans, several YtoYs and various GOMRA races.

In lew of flowers please pay tribute to the pants by attaching drink swizzle sticks to the Kitty truck located at Handys.

It is a very emotional time for all.

Kitty: Those who have traveled the water with your Nantucket Red Shorts, including the modifications and upgrades to keep their structural integrity under conditions of Pressure, Chafe and various levels of water Penetration; will sincerely miss those rear end rags; complete with the skidmark brownish patches and various barrier breaches exposing certain physical parts....

...they should be burned in a pyre and sent to sea. God help us not to return.

Swizzle sticks on the truck, I'm in.

Cheers mate.
RD

[stickboy]

what is the fastest c boat and what is the slowest d boat?

how much of a range

Currently, C begins at 103 and D begins at 141. You'd have a couple of the Olsons right at or near 105 through a boats in the 190's. I think that's too broad. I haven't done a scatter of them though, so I don't know where the heaviest concentrations of boats fall. I do know that if I get my frigging boat launched we'll have five boats or so right around 165-170, which will make for good racing in that band.

Here's the ratings of the boats that raced enough races last year to qualify for a trophy in any region.
15
33
42
45
46
48
60
60
69
72
72
75
87
90
90
90
90
90
102
105
107
117
117
126
135
144
177

I guess if you exclude the 105s and target about 6 boats per class it breaks around 50, 90, 130. 'Course with so many new boats this year everything is subject to change.

[sshow bob]

Thanks Sticky. I assume that the 90's are the 105's?

[Jerk]

Dear Mr. Drag-

The Jerk family extends its deepest condolence to you and your red shorts. It goes without saying they’ll be missed by you and probably you only. While they will probably never be able to be replaced one suggestion I have for you is to re-cut them into a snazzy little halter top that you or some of your crew could wear on warm summer days. It’s just a suggestion but it might be a way to immortalize something not so great.

Much love,

Jerk

[Soggy]

Dear Mr. Drag-

The Jerk family extends its deepest condolence to you and your red shorts. It goes without saying they’ll be missed by you and probably you only. While they will probably never be able to be replaced one suggestion I have for you is to re-cut them into a snazzy little halter top that you or some of your crew could wear on warm summer days. It’s just a suggestion but it might be a way to immortalize something not so great.

Much love,

Jerk

Think there's enough material left to make a "tube top"?

[stickboy]

Thanks Sticky. I assume that the 90's are the 105's?

Roger. Got this right off GMORA. Don't know how trustworthy that is though

[whipper]

Whiplash next year. Still a J-35? honestly, no clue. I heard from the "higher ups" the night before their "brainstorming meeting" but I don't think any decisions have yet been made. We want to stay in class A but being waterlined on long beam reaches sucks. Honestly, I don't really care either way, as long as I get to sail this summer.
The skiing in Colorado is epic but i'm already looking forward to some sweet rainy windless sailing at the Pilots in June. Cat sailor, I miss you honey.

[Kitty in Drag]

thanks for the report in Whipper...
now that's good info... the skiing is epic where in Colorado? Who told you it was going to rain at the Pilot races?

[whipper]

Arapahoe Basin. 100" so far this year. as in really damn epic. Livin right down the road from a bunch of shrink wrapped j80s and j24s at Dillon yacht club "the highest yacht club in the US". Can't seem to get away from sailors, even in the damn rockies. Any Maine SAers who want to get out and ski some pow this year, send me a PM and I'll get you some cheap ski tix. It's beautiful here...."that's why I come here....nature. Goulet!"

[whipper]

.....my mom said it was gonna rain at pilot. And my mom is always right.

[stickboy]

Arapahoe Basin. 100" so far this year. as in really damn epic. Livin right down the road from a bunch of shrink wrapped j80s and j24s at Dillon yacht club "the highest yacht club in the US". Can't seem to get away from sailors, even in the damn rockies. Any Maine SAers who want to get out and ski some pow this year, send me a PM and I'll get you some cheap ski tix. It's beautiful here...."that's why I come here....nature. Goulet!"

A Basin is sweet but if there's 100" already keep your guard up. I was there when the Professor slid and took out the bottom of Molly Hogan lift. Snowed 7' in a week. Great area.

[whipper]

Big slide on the Prof today, all the way down to route 6. I was working at the Exhibition lift. Scary shit seeing that thing come straight at me, not to mention follow a fellow A-basin employee for about 300' before he cut skiers right.

[Jerk]

becareful whipper....

[maxluff]

December 6,2005

In lew of flowers please pay tribute to the pants by attaching drink swizzle sticks to the Kitty truck located at Handys.

Ahh to you mean the truck I saw G doing brodies with then flipping over several times in the aforementioned red sled owners back yard?? He was yelling something about drunken fried chicken heads...

Sadly G was not eating these as he had hurled explosively in D's previously smartly clean Saab:


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[alteredst88]

December 6,2005

In lew of flowers please pay tribute to the pants by attaching drink swizzle sticks to the Kitty truck located at Handys.

Ahh to you mean the truck I saw G doing brodies with then flipping over several times in the aforementioned red sled owners back yard?? He was yelling something about drunken fried chicken heads...

Sadly G was not eating these as he had hurled explosively in D's previously smartly clean Volvo:


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Be fair... It's a Saab and I got at least some of it out of the car. Granted, lumpy racing stripes aren't to everyone's personal style, but I thought they looked ok. As a side note, we actually had to start the Kittymobile today. Had to dump so much starting fluid in the thing I think I'll be high for a week.

G

[Kitty in Drag]

G-
The kittymobile is like a swiss watch isn't she???

[Jerk]

4 mpg...

[Soggy]

Back to the rating discussion.....It would be nice to get a certian 75 rater into another class (. That should give the boats in class A a nice insurance rate drop.

If the rating cutoff goes to a 65...it would really suck not racing against Kaos, Whipper and Wylie. I personally like the competition. If those 3 boats moved into class B they'd be racking up a ton of GMORA points for the season...If anything we should have Nip Tuck race in class B :-)

Whipper, I'm jealous!! I spent a bit of time working out in Silverthorne...love Summit County and have some friends working at Copper. I was surprised at the number of Kiwi's working out there. We're supposed to be picking up 6 - 10" today...but only a couple of inches in the mountians :-(

[sshow bob]

Nipantuck in class B? You have my vote, and I'll assume Stickboy and C Koch's as well!

[maxluff]

"Back to the rating discussion.....It would be nice to get a certian 75 rater into another class (. That should give the boats in class A a nice insurance rate drop.

If the rating cutoff goes to a 65...it would really suck not racing against Kaos, Whipper and Wylie. I personally like the competition. If those 3 boats moved into class B they'd be racking up a ton of GMORA points for the season...If anything we should have Nip Tuck race in class B :-)"






Well, I certainly agree that the current A class break at 75 needs to be changed.


65 would make the most realistic sense with the fact of there being quite a few 60 raters in this class.


(In addition with the political powerhouse of MH would not care to see the 'mouche' in B class)











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[alteredst88]

Screw the ratings... Everyone starts on one line, at one time. Three finish lines, getting shorter as you go from A to C. Should make it exciting...

G

[C Koch]

Nipantuck in class B? You have my vote, and I'll assume Stickboy and C Koch's as well!

Like we need his rating to go up even more??? Check out PHRFNE's web site. Can someone explain why his racing rating is 171 while his cruising rating is 168? A three-second CREDIT for flying a chute? No wonder he's been toying with a move to racing class. He gets a better rating for it.

[whipper]

So if reviving class B is the ultimate goal of dropping the Class A max rating to 60 or 65, who would be in it? After Madcap and a couple others got bigger boats, Class B sucked in 2004. I don't think pulling boats that were originally in Class C up to class B solves much. The classes were made so that there are a bunch of boats that could race each other with "similar" speeds. Putting J-35's and boats like Kaos against boats like commotion and Snowbird doesn't make sense. It's not interesting racing. If class A did get moved to an under 60 rating cap, the 35's, kaos, MH, and perhaps one other would be racing each other while commotion, snowbird, nipantuck duke it out miles behind. It would be as if there were two classes within B class. Also, class A racing has been some of the best I've ever seen since I started racing GMORA when I was 15 on suivez-moi. Would the rest of class A really want to lose the competition that mh, kaos, the 35's and others bring to the class? Even if whiplash is not a j35 next year, I wouldn't want to be without that competition and numbers in A. The more boats in A class, the more challenging and rewarding the racing in the class.

Ideas?

[maxluff]

Screw the ratings... Everyone starts on one line, at one time. Three finish lines, getting shorter as you go from A to C. Should make it exciting...

G

I love mass starts!
(It harkens back to my days or nordic ski racing)

Let it happen.

[Soggy]

Whipper, I could not agree more. I love the competition, and having a lot of boats on the line at the start. Class A would miss racing against the talent on board the 35's, MH, and Kaos. I really hated only seeing Hot Numbers sail for 2 weekends. They had the boat dialed in!

The tough nut is going to be racing around the govt marks on the bay with a rating spread from 6 to 75. You know the feeling of being on a reach owing Kaos 30 sec/mile and not being able to shake him :lol In an ideal world we'd trade all of our boats in for FT 10's and race OD, but that's not in the cards.

I'd still like to see a certian 75 rater get dropped back to B or have his cert pulled for what happened to Witch. In the mean time, I'm working like crazy prepping the boat for next year. Ok, I've been told that I hold a grudge;) No matter how the class breaks, PK will be ready to roll.

[catsailor]

The skiing in Colorado is epic but i'm already looking forward to some sweet rainy windless sailing at the Pilots in June. Cat sailor, I miss you honey.
[/quote]

Don't tease me Whipper

So how was life in the hut??

[Savage 17]

How about these boats for racing against the new ILC 40? Who is going to step up?

N/M 43
http://www.yachtworl...566&slim=quick

CML 1200
http://www.yachtworl...475&slim=quick

1D35
http://www.yachtworl...403&slim=quick

N/M 50
http://www.yachtworl...347&slim=quick

N/M 43
http://www.yachtworl...892&slim=quick

N/M 36
http://www.yachtworl...274&slim=quick

[maxluff]

How about these boats for racing against the new ILC 40? Who is going to step up?

N/M 43
http://www.yachtworl...566&slim=quick

CML 1200
http://www.yachtworl...475&slim=quick

1D35
http://www.yachtworl...403&slim=quick

N/M 50
http://www.yachtworl...347&slim=quick

N/M 43
http://www.yachtworl...892&slim=quick

N/M 36
http://www.yachtworl...274&slim=quick

Wow, just an observation.
Look at all those Bruce Nelson boats on this list.
Wonder why there are so many N/M boats on the market?

[trane]

Maybe you'all could have a PHRF rule that says if you finish in the top 3 of a class you get bumped down to the next class!
gotta love local PHRF.

[C Koch]

Whipper, I could not agree more. I love the competition, and having a lot of boats on the line at the start. Class A would miss racing against the talent on board the 35's, MH, and Kaos. I really hated only seeing Hot Numbers sail for 2 weekends. They had the boat dialed in!

The tough nut is going to be racing around the govt marks on the bay with a rating spread from 6 to 75. You know the feeling of being on a reach owing Kaos 30 sec/mile and not being able to shake him :lol In an ideal world we'd trade all of our boats in for FT 10's and race OD, but that's not in the cards.

I'd still like to see a certian 75 rater get dropped back to B or have his cert pulled for what happened to Witch. In the mean time, I'm working like crazy prepping the boat for next year. Ok, I've been told that I hold a grudge;) No matter how the class breaks, PK will be ready to roll.

Keeping the class breaks where they are might be great for keeping numbers and competition up in class A, but keep in mind it's happening at the expense of other classes, particularly class B. And while some of the A racers might enjoy sailing against Whipper and the other J/35s, there are others (we all know who they are) who don't want the J/35s to race in class A and who were pissed that they were moved into that class this past season.

IOW, class B needs a rating break change more than A needs for it not to be done (if that makes any sense).

The 75 rater? Yeah, it's a problem. He's scared us a few times and we don't even sail in the same class.

[whipper]

"Keeping the class breaks where they are might be great for keeping numbers and competition up in class A, but keep in mind it's happening at the expense of other classes, particularly class B. And while some of the A racers might enjoy sailing against Whipper and the other J/35s, there are others (we all know who they are) who don't want the J/35s to race in class A and who were pissed that they were moved into that class this past season."

I understand that some people don't want the 35's in the class but this isn't the first time they were put in class A. About 5 years ago, the 35's were in class A and there didn't seem to be a whole lot of complaining. Now that the 35's are racing competitively in Class A, people are making a fuss. I don't think that having the 35's in A class is costing racing in other classes. The 35's were moved to class A this past year because there was noone else in class B but the 35's. If there are enough other boats that rate between 72 and around 130, the race committee creates a class B (ie PHRF Maine champs 2005). The 35's aren't abandoning another class, they were forced into another class because there aren't enough boats racing GMORA with traditional GMORA Class B phrf ratings. two years ago we raced laurentide......laurentide.....and laurentide. Now, laurentide is not racing. There aren't enough 35's for a one design class.

Honestly, I think focusing on the idea that the 35's have an unfair advantage in Class A is simply a way of ignoring how your own boat could go faster. We didn't always go fast. 3, 4 years ago, we sucked. We couldn't beat any of the other 35's in class B and beating the old Kaos, which had a higher rating, usually was out of the question. Instead of pointing fingers at other boats ratings (though tempting at times) we bought new sails, had a bunch of bottom work done, but most importantly changed the way the boat was sailed. Instead of one person trying to do everything, the tasks were split up and everyone could give imput on tactical decisions. It's time that certain sailors stop bitching about 35 ratings and pay more attention to their own boat. The more you do it, the more its gonna suck for you.

That said, I understand that in light wind conditions, the 35's do very well for their ratings. But that's PHRF. In heavy breeze and high seas, the 35's get their asses whooped. PHRF Ratings can't be perfect for every wind and seas conditions. This past summer was light and flat, which was good for the 35's.

I'm sorry if many class A sailors don't want us in class A buuuuuuuuut, too bad. Unless there are more boats within the class B rating, I think the 35's should stay where they are.

"IOW, class B needs a rating break change more than A needs for it not to be done (if that makes any sense)." -Maybe, but not if that means creating a B class point spread that is larger than the one already in place in A class.


I certainly have a bias but if anyone comes up with other ways to revive class B other than just saying the 35's should get out of A, I'm all ears.

[maxluff]

"Keeping the class breaks where they are might be great for keeping numbers and competition up in class A, but keep in mind it's happening at the expense of other classes, particularly class B. And while some of the A racers might enjoy sailing against Whipper and the other J/35s, there are others (we all know who they are) who don't want the J/35s to race in class A and who were pissed that they were moved into that class this past season."

I understand that some people don't want the 35's in the class but this isn't the first time they were put in class A. About 5 years ago, the 35's were in class A and there didn't seem to be a whole lot of complaining. Now that the 35's are racing competitively in Class A, people are making a fuss. I don't think that having the 35's in A class is costing racing in other classes. The 35's were moved to class A this past year because there was noone else in class B but the 35's. If there are enough other boats that rate between 72 and around 130, the race committee creates a class B (ie PHRF Maine champs 2005). The 35's aren't abandoning another class, they were forced into another class because there aren't enough boats racing GMORA with traditional GMORA Class B phrf ratings. two years ago we raced laurentide......laurentide.....and laurentide. Now, laurentide is not racing. There aren't enough 35's for a one design class.

Honestly, I think focusing on the idea that the 35's have an unfair advantage in Class A is simply a way of ignoring how your own boat could go faster. We didn't always go fast. 3, 4 years ago, we sucked. We couldn't beat any of the other 35's in class B and beating the old Kaos, which had a higher rating, usually was out of the question. Instead of pointing fingers at other boats ratings (though tempting at times) we bought new sails, had a bunch of bottom work done, but most importantly changed the way the boat was sailed. Instead of one person trying to do everything, the tasks were split up and everyone could give imput on tactical decisions. It's time that certain sailors stop bitching about 35 ratings and pay more attention to their own boat. The more you do it, the more its gonna suck for you.

That said, I understand that in light wind conditions, the 35's do very well for their ratings. But that's PHRF. In heavy breeze and high seas, the 35's get their asses whooped. PHRF Ratings can't be perfect for every wind and seas conditions. This past summer was light and flat, which was good for the 35's.

I'm sorry if many class A sailors don't want us in class A buuuuuuuuut, too bad. Unless there are more boats within the class B rating, I think the 35's should stay where they are.

"IOW, class B needs a rating break change more than A needs for it not to be done (if that makes any sense)." -Maybe, but not if that means creating a B class point spread that is larger than the one already in place in A class.


I certainly have a bias but if anyone comes up with other ways to revive class B other than just saying the 35's should get out of A, I'm all ears.

This is great. Just the type of intelligent discusion that is needed as it concerns PHRF in the Gulf of Maine.
It is the only rating rule we got. Gotta' make it work.


Still, the class break for A needs to be less than 75...

[maxluff]

How about these boats for racing against the new ILC 40? Who is going to step up?

N/M 43
http://www.yachtworl...566&slim=quick

CML 1200
http://www.yachtworl...475&slim=quick

1D35
http://www.yachtworl...403&slim=quick

N/M 50
http://www.yachtworl...347&slim=quick

N/M 43
http://www.yachtworl...892&slim=quick

N/M 36
http://www.yachtworl...274&slim=quick

For that matter, check out SA classified used boat listings.
Here are 2 boats that would be a good choice for GMORA:

The Henderson 30.

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The Mumm 36.

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[C Koch]

"Keeping the class breaks where they are might be great for keeping numbers and competition up in class A, but keep in mind it's happening at the expense of other classes, particularly class B. And while some of the A racers might enjoy sailing against Whipper and the other J/35s, there are others (we all know who they are) who don't want the J/35s to race in class A and who were pissed that they were moved into that class this past season."

I understand that some people don't want the 35's in the class but this isn't the first time they were put in class A. About 5 years ago, the 35's were in class A and there didn't seem to be a whole lot of complaining. Now that the 35's are racing competitively in Class A, people are making a fuss. I don't think that having the 35's in A class is costing racing in other classes. The 35's were moved to class A this past year because there was noone else in class B but the 35's. If there are enough other boats that rate between 72 and around 130, the race committee creates a class B (ie PHRF Maine champs 2005). The 35's aren't abandoning another class, they were forced into another class because there aren't enough boats racing GMORA with traditional GMORA Class B phrf ratings. two years ago we raced laurentide......laurentide.....and laurentide. Now, laurentide is not racing. There aren't enough 35's for a one design class.

Honestly, I think focusing on the idea that the 35's have an unfair advantage in Class A is simply a way of ignoring how your own boat could go faster. We didn't always go fast. 3, 4 years ago, we sucked. We couldn't beat any of the other 35's in class B and beating the old Kaos, which had a higher rating, usually was out of the question. Instead of pointing fingers at other boats ratings (though tempting at times) we bought new sails, had a bunch of bottom work done, but most importantly changed the way the boat was sailed. Instead of one person trying to do everything, the tasks were split up and everyone could give imput on tactical decisions. It's time that certain sailors stop bitching about 35 ratings and pay more attention to their own boat. The more you do it, the more its gonna suck for you.

That said, I understand that in light wind conditions, the 35's do very well for their ratings. But that's PHRF. In heavy breeze and high seas, the 35's get their asses whooped. PHRF Ratings can't be perfect for every wind and seas conditions. This past summer was light and flat, which was good for the 35's.

I'm sorry if many class A sailors don't want us in class A buuuuuuuuut, too bad. Unless there are more boats within the class B rating, I think the 35's should stay where they are.

"IOW, class B needs a rating break change more than A needs for it not to be done (if that makes any sense)." -Maybe, but not if that means creating a B class point spread that is larger than the one already in place in A class.


I certainly have a bias but if anyone comes up with other ways to revive class B other than just saying the 35's should get out of A, I'm all ears.

Whipper, you make some great points about other A boats bitching about the J/35s sailing in their class. And I'm fully aware of the history of the J/35s racing class A. I crewed on one of several J/35 racing in the A fleet back in the late 1908s/early 1990s. But back then, the fastest boat in the class had a rating in the 50s or 60s, not a 15 like BDP or a 6 like the newest Revo.

I know everyone wants to be an A boat, but the hard and fast truth is that we can't all be A boats. And look at the bright side -- pushing the rating break below 75 will make A fleet sailing at least a little safer, no?

[Soggy]

If GMORA moves the top 3 class A finishers into class B...well IMHO whoever wins class A in 2006 will feel gyped. As you were not racing against the defending winners. Those top 3 boats just plain sail smart which can be worth 15 sec/mile.

I'm all for having 3 strong classes, but I'm also greedy about sailing aginst the best...it's all about the competition. That's why I really like going to PHRF NE, even though the boys in MH kicked my ass...it was great competition, and good racing.

Let the flames begin.

[stealingisacrime]

Instead of worrying about scoring - you guys may want to look at the actual "on-the-water" racing. We break things up down here based on rating, waterline and SA/D.

For Example, I find it hard to believe that your Farr 39 and J 35 actually race against each other - they may get scored against each other in a race, but it is unlike they are going head to head on the water. It is more likely that 2 minutes after the start, they don't see to much of each other and both duke it out with boats closer to their own ratings. The racing fleets should be broken up so people compete with the boats the race closest to - in the end that is actually what is happening anyway.

Based on the numbers above, you could also pick arbitrary breaks - 50, 100, 150. 0-51, 54 - 99, 102 to 150, 150 and up. That splits you all up evenly - except for the 177 - screw that boat, they won PHRF's and deserve some slapping!!!! - Just kidding :-)) - they could hop on with the next group up.

[C Koch]

If GMORA moves the top 3 class A finishers into class B...well IMHO whoever wins class A in 2006 will feel gyped. As you were not racing against the defending winners. Those top 3 boats just plain sail smart which can be worth 15 sec/mile.

I'm all for having 3 strong classes, but I'm also greedy about sailing aginst the best...it's all about the competition. That's why I really like going to PHRF NE, even though the boys in MH kicked my ass...it was great competition, and good racing.

Let the flames begin.

Yup. It's too bad that some people (not referring to anyone in particular here) can't just check their ego and greed at the door and simply go out and race for the fun of it. IMHO, making it all about bragging rights takes some of the fun out of it.

Just trying to fan the flames a bit.

[Savage 17]

How about these boats for racing against the new ILC 40? Who is going to step up?

N/M 43
http://www.yachtworl...566&slim=quick

CML 1200
http://www.yachtworl...475&slim=quick

1D35
http://www.yachtworl...403&slim=quick

N/M 50
http://www.yachtworl...347&slim=quick

N/M 43
http://www.yachtworl...892&slim=quick

N/M 36
http://www.yachtworl...274&slim=quick

For that matter, check out SA classified used boat listings.
Here are 2 boats that would be a good choice for GMORA:

The Henderson 30.

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The Mumm 36.

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maxluff,

I'm now dealing with the same situation as you in RI. USA 62 puts me in A class, but it looks like A class is going to only have 5 boats. (2 Ben 40.7, 2 Ben 36.7 and J-105). USA 62 will have me at scratch boat with the Benny 40.7. B class has 13 boats, but the scratch boat is 102. So, I would owe them 51 seconds a mile if they moved him up (Cork 1720).

A Class used to have:
Mumm 36 (Sold) Rumor 1D35 on way, but not confirmed
4 Ben 40.7 (3 for sale, 1 at different yacht club)
2 Ben 36.7 (1 won't show up)
J-105
IMX 40 (Sold) X-35 on the way, but not till 07
395 (Sold) Cork 1720 now

B Class
Cork 1720 (102)
2 J-29 (111)
3 J-80 (123)
X-99 (108)
J-27 (12?)
J-34 (120)
Petersen 34 (120)

Now it is just the Benteau's , a J-105 and me in A class

[maxluff]

To sum up this GMORA rating discussion:





We need to rebuild B fleets in the Northeast.

I guess this means getting more people to sail in boats rated between PHRF 80 to 110.
Does anyone know of any reasonably priced boats of that rating also that offer high sailing performance?

(Personally I think the Melges 24 is a good choice for B fleet this area with a rating at 102)

[alteredst88]

If GMORA moves the top 3 class A finishers into class B...well IMHO whoever wins class A in 2006 will feel gyped. As you were not racing against the defending winners. Those top 3 boats just plain sail smart which can be worth 15 sec/mile.

I'm all for having 3 strong classes, but I'm also greedy about sailing aginst the best...it's all about the competition. That's why I really like going to PHRF NE, even though the boys in MH kicked my ass...it was great competition, and good racing.

Let the flames begin.

Yup. It's too bad that some people (not referring to anyone in particular here) can't just check their ego and greed at the door and simply go out and race for the fun of it. IMHO, making it all about bragging rights takes some of the fun out of it.

Just trying to fan the flames a bit.

I think that was meant the other way... Either move the top three B finishers to A, or the bottom three A finishers to B. Perhaps not a bad idea... It would create a sort of PHRF "Gold" fleet after a bit.

G

[maxluff]

Attention : GMORA website now has it's own forum:
(Let the powers that be know what we think about PHRF class breaks!)





http://www.gmora.org/forum/policy.asp

[Soggy]

G - That wasn't where I was headed, but an interesting idea. What I meant was that if Kaos, MH, and Whipper were put into class B. The boats left in class A would not get a chance to sail against the defending champs. P.S. Not about bragging rights :-)

In any event, I believe that this is a good dicussion. Should be an interesting GMORA meeting in Jan.

[TheBoathouse]

To sum up this GMORA rating discussion:
We need to rebuild B fleets in the Northeast. guess this means getting more people to sail in boats rated between PHRF 80 to 110. Does anyone know of any reasonably priced boats of that rating also that offer high sailing performance? Personally I think the Melges 24 is a good choice for B fleet this area with a rating at 102)

Why rebuild, just consolidate. Find a happy number for A cutoff (70?) then everyone else is in B. Two fleets with lots of boats in each is better then 3 thin fleets....

[C Koch]

To sum up this GMORA rating discussion:
We need to rebuild B fleets in the Northeast. guess this means getting more people to sail in boats rated between PHRF 80 to 110. Does anyone know of any reasonably priced boats of that rating also that offer high sailing performance? Personally I think the Melges 24 is a good choice for B fleet this area with a rating at 102)

Why rebuild, just consolidate. Find a happy number for A cutoff (70?) then everyone else is in B. Two fleets with lots of boats in each is better then 3 thin fleets....

Boathouse, do you seriously think that pitting boats that rate 72 against boats that rate 170+ will make for a fun, competitive fleet?

[sshow bob]

Attention : GMORA website now has it's own forum:
(Let the powers that be know what we think about PHRF class breaks!)





http://www.gmora.org/forum/policy.asp

Please do let the board know what you're thinking!

[C Koch]

Attention : GMORA website now has it's own forum:
(Let the powers that be know what we think about PHRF class breaks!)

http://www.gmora.org/forum/policy.asp

Please do let the board know what you're thinking!

Hey, sshow, I don't see that you've even signed up. At least I registered.

[Jerk]

I don't think it matters where the a/b cut off is as long as GMORA doesn't put one boat that rates 75 in A and a bunch of other boats that rate 72 in B. Its really frustrating...and drives people away.

I'd be interested to find out what other sub 50 boats are coming to GMORA....

[TheBoathouse]

Boathouse, do you seriously think that pitting boats that rate 72 against boats that rate 170+ will make for a fun, competitive fleet?

Oaky go 5-70 in A (65 sec difference top to bottom) then 76-141 B (65 sec) and 142 to infinity in C....

[whipper]

Yeah, but that doesn't really fix the spread some people were complaining about in class A.

[Soggy]

Yeah, but that doesn't really fix the spread some people were complaining about in class A.

It also puts anyone rating 71-75 in a class by themselves

[Jerk]

Its never going to be perfect, GMORA doesn't have enough boats.

Class B would be plenty strong if the 105s didn't sail one-design.

Didn't Class A break at 90 several years back?

[maxluff]

The GMORA site thread has some good points made as it concerns Maine Club Interaction to promote better racing:


"Posted - 12/09/2005 : 13:01:56
To make any significant impact in numbers, all the organizations - fleets, clubs, host clubs, need to work together as a community, not as separate entities.

We are losing numbers due to a lack of sailing community, something that existed when CBSA ran the show in the 80's.

When was the last time the PYC Race Committee Chairman went to CYC and invited their members to come to the PHRF Maine Champs or Pilot Race?
maxluff



Posted - 12/12/2005 : 08:25:54
Good point! HYC should be included. A healthy interclub competition could result. Many clubs on the Great Lakes have cruise oriented race to neighboring Yacht Clubs followed by post regatta parties. Casco Bay is perfect for this!

thall

USA


Posted - 12/12/2005 : 16:04:40
Look around - there is a ton of sailing going on and plenty of tuned up boats that do not race GMORA events - Mostly because no one has invited them.

Did you know?

HYC Regatta was the largest PHRF fleet day race last year in the Casco Bay.

One of the largest one design weekend events in Casco Bay was the Chebeague Island 'Round the Island Race - Ensign Fleet.

Of all the one design fleets in our area the Sonar was the most active?

I raced Harraseeket Wednesday nights last year and sailed against several well prepared and well sailed boats - none sailed by GMORA members or who sailed on weekends - ratings 75 to 135 PHRF. With Fancy Carbon sails and the like...

CKoch


Posted - 12/13/2005 : 10:00:40
THall... I think my husband and I are the only HYC members that don't do Wednesday nights (no cruising class) but do race on weekends. I've always thought it a shame that not more HYC boats get out on weekends. Did you ask any of the Wed. night participants why they don't race outside Wed. nights? My thought has been that it's lack of time (kids sports schedules/family obligations) more than lack of knowledge of the schedule. My husband and I have tried to encourage more participation and haven't had much luck.

It's also been my understanding that NORs are sent to anyone with a certificate, but I could be wrong on that.

As for cross-promotion among clubs, yes, more needs to be done. I've seen some, such as promotion of HYC race at the Pilots, and promotion of Southport races at HYC, but I don't think it gets done as often or as well as it could be.

thall

USA


Posted - 12/13/2005 : 14:40:43
The issue is that HYC has turned inside to serve their members better and really don't promote a culture of sailing outside the river - and who can blame them.

I think if someone invited them all to come and told them their presence would be appreciated they would show up. Some people think they are not welcome, need to be measured or just have no idea when the events are.

I plan to make sure everyone is physically asked to come sail.



Soggy


Posted - 12/14/2005 : 11:47:42

I'm with you and agree that we need to increase participation. I remember the size of the fleets in the 80's, but I'm confused; if I look at the members on GMORA's board it has representatives from every yacht club from Portland to Camden. Shouldn't the GMORA board members associated with a club be promoting GMORA events? If not why?

Instead of starting a "grass roots" campaign to have discussion between the clubs I think that GMORA should be taking the lead on this. I'd be surprised if GE did not talk to the other board members and yacht clubs to promote GMORA events.

So I guess I'd like to know what's currently being, done and how we can improve it. Maybe we can get this put on the agenda for the January meeting?

thall

USA

Posted - 12/15/2005 : 08:47:52
I am providing leadership on this through GMORA.

Let me address a few of your comments:

1. Relationships between clubs have been strained over the years and need to be rebuilt. We need to look at the big picture and understand that the A-fleet in GMORA is tied to the success of the CYC Wednesday night cruising class racing, for example. We are all part of a community that needs to grow at all levels to increase participation. GMORA has agreed, in principle to provide community leadership in the area.

2. Clubs to have a seat on the board, but do not often attend the meetings. So we will go to them.

3. We need to let every clubs and evey boat owner know that they are welcome again. That we are accepting community focused on everyone having fun sailing - and that is all.

Our initiatives include reaching out to clubs and inviting members in a personal and passionate way - selling each event and the season. I call it, Inform, Invite and Inspire.

I brought this up with the GMORA board in November and, to be honest, not a single person thought I was off base - I received a very positive response.

thall

USA

Posted - 12/15/2005 : 08:49:14
One more thing I missed. This is going to be done through race officers at clubs - not just a grass roots appeal, but make sure we have all organizations on board and work through existing chains of command."

[maxluff]

Hmmm...

The class breaks for A/B are almost certain to stick at 75...




Here is a great boat for light air sailing that rates 75 to 78 PHRF:

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For less than 20K that should shake the B fleet up a bit...

[maxluff]

Giant Killer:



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Rates 78 PHRF

[C Koch]

Hmmm...

The class breaks for A/B are almost certain to stick at 75...




Here is a great boat for light air sailing that rates 75 to 78 PHRF:

 1384058_3.jpg   38.34K   46 downloads

For less than 20K that should shake the B fleet up a bit...

Looks fast but what's that big red circle on the topsides - looks like a target, or something someone might consider a target.

[Jerk]

Hmmm...

The class breaks for A/B are almost certain to stick at 75...




Here is a great boat for light air sailing that rates 75 to 78 PHRF:

 1384058_3.jpg   38.34K   46 downloads

For less than 20K that should shake the B fleet up a bit...

Looks fast but what's that big red circle on the topsides - looks like a target, or something someone might consider a target.

Brown stripes, three of them is what that boat needs....

[maxluff]

Hmmm...

The class breaks for A/B are almost certain to stick at 75...




Here is a great boat for light air sailing that rates 75 to 78 PHRF:

 1384058_3.jpg   38.34K   46 downloads

For less than 20K that should shake the B fleet up a bit...

Looks fast but what's that big red circle on the topsides - looks like a target, or something someone might consider a target.

Brown stripes, three of them is what that boat needs....

That should be no problem with G aboard!
No, wait that was not brown stripes but puke speed stripes down the side of Mr. D's car the other night

[TheBoathouse]

Hmmm...

The class breaks for A/B are almost certain to stick at 75...
Here is a great boat for light air sailing that rates 75 to 78 PHRF:
 1384058_3.jpg   38.34K   46 downloads
For less than 20K that should shake the B fleet up a bit...

No lifelines, no bowpulpit....does GMORA care???

[Kitty in Drag]

Next Thursday night At Marks-
Kitty's red shorts retirement party and SA/Gmora X-mas Party...
1800hrs

Who's in???

Kittys in.

[maxluff]

Next Thursday night At Marks-
Kitty's red shorts retirement party and SA/Gmora X-mas Party...
1800hrs

Who's in???

Kittys in.

Maxluff is all over that noise!
I am sure G is in...

[Soggy]

Next Thursday night At Marks-
Kitty's red shorts retirement party and SA/Gmora X-mas Party...
1800hrs

Who's in???

Kittys in.

Maxluff is all over that noise!
I am sure G is in...

I'm in...

[Kitty in Drag]

We've got three...
its a start!!!!!

[catsailor]

Hey Jerk, this room is a little slow eh? How quickly they forget about that 80's paintjob. Then again, the transom was white so no wonder that's all they remember JH would be scary on that TOM. Doesn't PHRF allow Melges 24s to race in "one design" config (no pulpit)... I'm sure it would be easy to gin up some one design rules if they don't exist already for the TOMs.


Here is a great boat for light air sailing that rates 75 to 78 PHRF:

 1384058_3.jpg   38.34K   46 downloads

For less than 20K that should shake the B fleet up a bit...

Looks fast but what's that big red circle on the topsides - looks like a target, or something someone might consider a target.

Brown stripes, three of them is what that boat needs....

[alteredst88]

Next Thursday night At Marks-
Kitty's red shorts retirement party and SA/Gmora X-mas Party...
1800hrs

Who's in???

Kittys in.

Well, I do have some knitting that I was going to catch up on that night, but, what the heck!

G

ps - 1800 hours seems like a long time for some of you to commit to drinking (at least off season)... But it sounds good to me. What time should we start?

[maxluff]

Next Thursday night At Marks-
Kitty's red shorts retirement party and SA/Gmora X-mas Party...
1800hrs

Who's in???

Kittys in.

Well, I do have some knitting that I was going to catch up on that night, but, what the heck!

G

ps - 1800 hours seems like a long time for some of you to commit to drinking (at least off season)... But it sounds good to me. What time should we start?

Hang in there until 1800..

Word up G!
Gota' get Suider and Super Joe aboard on this one!
Mr D. stated "No way can I go"

[maxluff]

BTW, Interesting feedback on the GMORA forum about Sailing Anarchy:

"For the last couple months a number of good things were discussed on Sailing Anarchy Forums as it relates to PHRF class breaks in GMORA:

The link is: http://www.sailingan...showtopic=24561"

Reply:

"I just checked that out - I had no idea.

I am working through GMORA to increase participation and have found great support from everyone I talk to. We need to increase communication, physically invite people to come, and support all the local clubs and fleets from Mere Point Yacht Club to Chebeague to Centerboard...

There are more than enough boats and sailors, most just have never been told how great it would be if they came out and sailed."

Comments?

[suider]

Gota' get Suider and Super Joe aboard on this one!

i guess it is never too early to start shopping for a new wife....

i'm in...

[Kitty in Drag]

Jerk-
You in??

[Jerk]

Jerk-
You in??

dunno...that would require some aggresive time management.

Kitty...where is your j35?

[maxluff]

Gota' get Suider and Super Joe aboard on this one!

i guess it is never too early to start shopping for a new wife....

i'm in...

Well this should get the process started: http://www.divorcepl...com/process.asp

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[suider]

Gota' get Suider and Super Joe aboard on this one!

i guess it is never too early to start shopping for a new wife....

i'm in...

Well this should get the process started: http://www.divorcepl...com/process.asp

 t_divorceprocess.gif   3.44K   33 downloads

c'mon! i'm still not sure.... i just said it is never too early to start shopping....!!

[C Koch]

Gota' get Suider and Super Joe aboard on this one!

i guess it is never too early to start shopping for a new wife....

i'm in...

Well this should get the process started: http://www.divorcepl...com/process.asp

 t_divorceprocess.gif   3.44K   33 downloads

c'mon! i'm still not sure.... i just said it is never too early to start shopping....!!

Didn't someone say earlier that it's amateur night and the ladies (or "girls," as one of our esteemed skippers calls them) might have a chance to win some holiday bling? Bring her along!

[suider]

Gota' get Suider and Super Joe aboard on this one!

i guess it is never too early to start shopping for a new wife....

i'm in...

Well this should get the process started: http://www.divorcepl...com/process.asp

 t_divorceprocess.gif   3.44K   33 downloads

c'mon! i'm still not sure.... i just said it is never too early to start shopping....!!

Didn't someone say earlier that it's amateur night and the ladies (or "girls," as one of our esteemed skippers calls them) might have a chance to win some holiday bling? Bring her along!

oh, this is going to get bad, i can tell...

[maxluff]

Food for thought as it relates to GMORA regatta format:

1. Format

A one day event format for some races may be more enticing to people.
Unless it is the PHRF Champs or other 'major' GMORA event sail on Saturday and you may see more participation. I see the lack of time that most people have equates to a lack of commitment to racing. Focus on trying to get Classes A/B/OD to get in three solid windward leewards in one day. Maybe Classes C and D focus on a more traditional around the cans format. Get C and D in a little early. Who cares if A/B/OD get in at 6pm. So the post regatta party starts at 6 instead of 4pm. There is still plenty of light out for racing and partying summer!

2. Starts

We are all sick and tired of going out for 11 am starts and sitting there until 12:30 when the breeze fills. Start the sequence at Noon! Many yacht Clubs in Long Island Sound start at 1 pm. and they sail till 5pm. It works for them.

3. C and D fleets.

Get them in a little early so they can enjoy the party before being 'swallowed up' by the racing throngs.

Comments?

[Savage 17]

Maxluff:

I see a N/M 1200 is now for sale on Yachtworld. It would rate very close to your new ride.

http://yachtworld.co...475&slim=quick

And 7 1D35 for sale

http://yachtworld.co...&toPrice=&cint=

[alteredst88]

Food for thought as it relates to GMORA regatta format:

1. Format

A one day event format for some races may be more enticing to people.
Unless it is the PHRF Champs or other 'major' GMORA event sail on Saturday and you may see more participation. I see the lack of time that most people have equates to a lack of commitment to racing. Focus on trying to get Classes A/B/OD to get in three solid windward leewards in one day. Maybe Classes C and D focus on a more traditional around the cans format. Get C and D in a little early. Who cares if A/B/OD get in at 6pm. So the post regatta party starts at 6 instead of 4pm. There is still plenty of light out for racing and partying summer!

2. Starts

We are all sick and tired of going out for 11 am starts and sitting there until 12:30 when the breeze fills. Start the sequence at Noon! Many yacht Clubs in Long Island Sound start at 1 pm. and they sail till 5pm. It works for them.

3. C and D fleets.

Get them in a little early so they can enjoy the party before being 'swallowed up' by the racing throngs.

Comments?

1. I lament to agree with you. It would be nice to have more, longer, point to point races but...

2. 11am until start is sober up time. Generally by the time I get to the boat, someone has taken all malty beverages from me. Were I (and I suspect a great deal of the fleet) to be allowed to remain within shouting distance of a bar, store, fridgerador, or cooler right up until the start, all hell might ensue. Plus, when else are we supposed to eat lunch.

3. Hell yes. Some one has to cook (haha).

4. I was halfway out the driveway tonight when I realized it wasn't, in fact, Thursday, and I wasn't late. I was disappointed as I have been requesting all holiday present shopping change in singles. Oh, am I going to be popular.

G

[Jerk]

Today is $2 bill and glitter day....

[maxluff]

Maxluff:

I see a N/M 1200 is now for sale on Yachtworld. It would rate very close to your new ride.

http://yachtworld.co...475&slim=quick

And 7 1D35 for sale

http://yachtworld.co...&toPrice=&cint=

Airwaves?

Wow that name is a blast from the past.
(Anyone know what TP is up to now a days?)

Someone here in the Gulf of MAine could probably grab this boat for about 70K:

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[alteredst88]

Today is $2 bill and glitter day....

Mmmm... Glitter...

G

[St.Jean Machine]

Let's debate Camden Castine vs. Merle's Midsummer:

I miss the days when all of GMORA did Camden Castine. Those were the days, huh?

Any takers?

(Yes, I erroneously posted this same entry in the main "sailing" forum for the whole world to see....oops.)

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[St.Jean Machine]

Food for thought as it relates to GMORA regatta format:

1. Format

A one day event format for some races may be more enticing to people.
Unless it is the PHRF Champs or other 'major' GMORA event sail on Saturday and you may see more participation. I see the lack of time that most people have equates to a lack of commitment to racing. Focus on trying to get Classes A/B/OD to get in three solid windward leewards in one day. Maybe Classes C and D focus on a more traditional around the cans format. Get C and D in a little early. Who cares if A/B/OD get in at 6pm. So the post regatta party starts at 6 instead of 4pm. There is still plenty of light out for racing and partying summer!

2. Starts

We are all sick and tired of going out for 11 am starts and sitting there until 12:30 when the breeze fills. Start the sequence at Noon! Many yacht Clubs in Long Island Sound start at 1 pm. and they sail till 5pm. It works for them.

3. C and D fleets.

Get them in a little early so they can enjoy the party before being 'swallowed up' by the racing throngs.

Comments?

1. I lament to agree with you. It would be nice to have more, longer, point to point races but...

2. 11am until start is sober up time. Generally by the time I get to the boat, someone has taken all malty beverages from me. Were I (and I suspect a great deal of the fleet) to be allowed to remain within shouting distance of a bar, store, fridgerador, or cooler right up until the start, all hell might ensue. Plus, when else are we supposed to eat lunch.

3. Hell yes. Some one has to cook (haha).

4. I was halfway out the driveway tonight when I realized it wasn't, in fact, Thursday, and I wasn't late. I was disappointed as I have been requesting all holiday present shopping change in singles. Oh, am I going to be popular.

G

The "sober up time" point doesn't really apply to our boat (Revolution II) because none of the crew are heavy drinkers, but it's a valid point.

Steve

[Jerk]

The "sober up time" point doesn't really apply to our boat (Revolution II) because none of the crew are heavy drinkers, but it's a valid point.

Steve

umm... i recommend you sober up before posting something like that again....keeee-riest...

[maxluff]

Food for thought as it relates to GMORA regatta format:

1. Format

A one day event format for some races may be more enticing to people.
Unless it is the PHRF Champs or other 'major' GMORA event sail on Saturday and you may see more participation. I see the lack of time that most people have equates to a lack of commitment to racing. Focus on trying to get Classes A/B/OD to get in three solid windward leewards in one day. Maybe Classes C and D focus on a more traditional around the cans format. Get C and D in a little early. Who cares if A/B/OD get in at 6pm. So the post regatta party starts at 6 instead of 4pm. There is still plenty of light out for racing and partying summer!

2. Starts

We are all sick and tired of going out for 11 am starts and sitting there until 12:30 when the breeze fills. Start the sequence at Noon! Many yacht Clubs in Long Island Sound start at 1 pm. and they sail till 5pm. It works for them.

3. C and D fleets.

Get them in a little early so they can enjoy the party before being 'swallowed up' by the racing throngs.

Comments?

1. I lament to agree with you. It would be nice to have more, longer, point to point races but...

2. 11am until start is sober up time. Generally by the time I get to the boat, someone has taken all malty beverages from me. Were I (and I suspect a great deal of the fleet) to be allowed to remain within shouting distance of a bar, store, fridgerador, or cooler right up until the start, all hell might ensue. Plus, when else are we supposed to eat lunch.

3. Hell yes. Some one has to cook (haha).

4. I was halfway out the driveway tonight when I realized it wasn't, in fact, Thursday, and I wasn't late. I was disappointed as I have been requesting all holiday present shopping change in singles. Oh, am I going to be popular.

G

The "sober up time" point doesn't really apply to our boat (Revolution II) because none of the crew are heavy drinkers, but it's a valid point.

Steve

Ha Ha Ha! That's the most f*cking hilarious thing that I have heard all week!

[Jerk]

seriously...

[St.Jean Machine]

seriously...

OK, OK.... New topic:

Who from GMORA is gonna be down at KWRW? I didn't see Spanker on the roster....

"Anyone?........Buehler?"

[maxluff]

seriously...

OK, OK.... New topic:

Who from GMORA is gonna be down at KWRW? I didn't see Spanker on the roster....

"Anyone?........Buehler?"

RH is bringing 'the wagon' down...

4C PHRF 4 In Theory Kiwi 35 35 63 35 M. Kehew/M.Nannini
4C PHRF 4 Temptress SR 33 33 66 108 27.29 Robert Hibdon
4C PHRF 4 Bottle Rocket Cheetah 30 28 52 33.23 Bill Jennings
4C PHRF 4 Hot Stuff Hobie 33 33 70 25.5 Matt Petrat
4C PHRF 4 The Wagon Evelyn 32 32 94 25.5 Richard Hallett
4C PHRF 4 Tsunami Evelyn 32-2 32 94 25.5 James Wilson
4C PHRF 4 Kokopelli Olson 29 29 77 25.43 Fred McConnel
4C PHRF 4 Jack A Roe Olson 30 30 78 25.9 John Dybas

[maxluff]

More of you guys gotta post on the GMORA thread.
(Thanks out for those who have done so!)

T. Hall is taking the whole thing over!

http://www.gmora.org/forum/default.asp

[maxluff]

More of you guys gotta post on the GMORA thread.
(Thanks out for those who have done so!)

T. Hall is taking the whole thing over!

http://www.gmora.org/forum/default.asp

Nice!

(I think we just 'crashed' the site)

[alteredst88]

The "sober up time" point doesn't really apply to our boat (Revolution II) because none of the crew are heavy drinkers, but it's a valid point.

Steve

Right. I seem to sort of remember waking up on your couch on morning last summer... Vaguely recall most of the crew putting the hurting on that night. Might have to call shenanigans on this one.

G

[maxluff]

Last night at Mark's Showplace the first annual SA GMORA christmas party took place.

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Much was discussed.
Suider conducted an 'interview' for a possible second wife.
Many test tube shots were done from the breasts of babes.
Alas it appears that the girls do not use much glitter anymore.
Many a toast was made to bid farewell to Kitty's Nantucket Red shorts!

Kudos to Kitty, Jerk, Suider,Soggy and alteredst88s and one unnamed but highly placed GMORA officer for a good time!

[suider]

Suider conducted an 'interview' for a possible second wife.

wait, let's clear this up...

the interview was for a NEW future ex-wife, not a second future ex-wife.... i can really only afford one crazy stripper wife at a time

[xstrapolator]

Any room for a Capri 25 with a PHRF of 174 to join this?

[maxluff]

Any room for a Capri 25 with a PHRF of 174 to join this?

I think I stand for all:

Welcome.

[alteredst88]

Merry Xmas to all of you... Whether you deserve it or not. Happy whatever to you if you are not an xtian.

G

[C Koch]

Any room for a Capri 25 with a PHRF of 174 to join this?

Absolutely... would love to see more going on in the C/D fleet. Like you had to ask?