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#1 Heaven can wait

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Posted 03 January 2006 - 02:59 AM

Well guys, it's gone a little quite here on SBA, thought I'd stick this thread in a see what we here in OZ are up to over the Christmas period?

Scandels, New Boats, Club info, Pork Chops whatever? :rolleyes:

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Posted 03 January 2006 - 04:24 AM

Went to Hobart,but thats already covered.

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Posted 03 January 2006 - 05:04 AM

Went to Hobart,but thats already covered.



So it has there Phil, but you had fun though didn't you?

Standard reply, Had a great Start, Got Pasted, had a great finish and got wasted!

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Posted 03 January 2006 - 11:37 AM

I Turkey Slapped the missus for christmas, does that count?

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Posted 03 January 2006 - 12:09 PM

I spanked tha monkey maybe twice does that count too?

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Posted 03 January 2006 - 01:38 PM

The Big Dog and I took out a couple of Lasers, there ain't nothin he wont give a go. The Sabot beckons!

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Posted 03 January 2006 - 02:17 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Seriously?

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 01:45 AM

Latest rumor is that there will be 27, 79ers and 32 Stealth 7's at Hogs this year.

I better start turboing the neibours Clipper 21 then. :lol:

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 12:28 PM

Latest rumor is that there will be 27, 79ers and 32 Stealth 7's at Hogs this year.

I better start turboing the neibours Clipper 21 then. :lol:



Farrrk TS, you mean, yeah right? lol: :lol: :lol: :ph34r:

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 09:01 PM

Fair go, HCW. Kerli had nothing to do with the handicapping at Hogs. And in fact, the system unfairly DISadvantaged the T7s, none of us were happy with the system. Even so, Heysey won that series anyway - and fair and square. The T7s held together when most of the other boats either fell apart or stayed at the dock. Heysey had the most consistent results and the most committed team. Credit where it is due.

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 09:03 PM

Credit where due,Kerli and Ali are doing ok in the Hobies at present.

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Posted 07 January 2006 - 11:39 AM

I am reliably informed that one of the German crews at the J24 Worlds were overheard negotiating with the SYC Office staff for the use of the 40 tonne travel lift to enable them to do some work on the underside of the keel.
J24s' rate as Sportsboats in Germany don't they.

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Posted 07 January 2006 - 11:47 AM

It's OK guys, known Kerli for a lotta years, and as we've always known T7's are great boats.

Merely following the gist of the "Blown out of proportion" posting made by TS. All humor intended - not dis, as noted in the miss-spelling of his name.

Sorry boys....

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Posted 07 January 2006 - 04:23 PM

GnT, how did the TopYacht help any design over another one ?

as it's only looking at numbers, and is basically maths it can only favour either a consistent performer , or an inconsistent. (weather dependant say)

HOW did it apply re Hog's or partic. design.

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Posted 08 January 2006 - 12:37 PM

Avid and l broke the stick in Diva and are now waiting to see what happens .. putting a mumm 36 together Will either have 36 or the Boatspeed to line up at hogs again this year.

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Posted 08 January 2006 - 01:05 PM

Hey Steve

Been out in the lasers again with my 11 year old. Bet you can't wait till yours are a bit older! The boat really isn't made for my size!

And the delivery on Oats was fantastic sailing with 15 knots from the NE and a nice swell coming back to Syd. Beat the race time by 8 hours with only one or two on deck most of the time. Nice to have constant wind.

Amazing how they are all just sail boats at the end of the day

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Posted 09 January 2006 - 02:53 AM

Hey Steve

Been out in the lasers again with my 11 year old. Bet you can't wait till yours are a bit older! The boat really isn't made for my size!

And the delivery on Oats was fantastic sailing with 15 knots from the NE and a nice swell coming back to Syd. Beat the race time by 8 hours with only one or two on deck most of the time. Nice to have constant wind.

Amazing how they are all just sail boats at the end of the day


Cool! And yep, looking forward to getting the kids in dinghys, C and I in Mirrors next season!

Did you get the main on?

Yeah, that's why you can enjoy Lasers/Waves to WO, because you love it!!

We need to do a bit of FDing while Ruffy isn't.

Oh, and the Fun has gone :(

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 01:02 PM

Latest rumor is that there will be 27, 79ers and 32 Stealth 7's at Hogs this year.

I better start turboing the neibours Clipper 21 then. :lol:


Well I am not going then. You promised me at least 50 Stealth 7's.
On the boat building my hull is finished, painted and fit out. I have to finish building the rudder and bulb, the rig and sails will be getting built while I do that. We should be good to go sometime in Feb. Hull #2 is started and the mould for #3 is being setup. Mould for #4 has been setup for a few months now but still no building.

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 01:43 PM

I am reliably informed that one of the German crews at the J24 Worlds were overheard negotiating with the SYC Office staff for the use of the 40 tonne travel lift to enable them to do some work on the underside of the keel.
J24s' rate as Sportsboats in Germany don't they.


nowhere , bout three decades ago they were thought of as sportsyachts but not since , even in the US

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 09:23 PM

Stealth 7 pictures! Stealth 7 pictures! Everybody wants these.

If I'm not mistaken, Stealth 8 used E780 as a jumping off point,
does the Stealth 7 look like anything like an E7 with wings?

I've got a new avatar. It's a coracle now isn't it?

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 01:32 PM

Yeah, same as E7, its 7m long and a mono.

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Posted 05 February 2006 - 10:58 AM

Today we had the biggest sportboat fleet for a while out on the race track, 6 all up (if an ultimate 30 counts) in a good breese and all finished. Not one sportboat beaten by a keeler over a 20 mile race. Oh and for the record we came last across line and on hcp in the sportboat div.

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Posted 05 February 2006 - 11:40 AM

anyone else see the shark in Lake Macquarie this weekend?



Glad I'm not on a trapeze... :blink:

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Posted 05 February 2006 - 11:58 AM

Good work Turks did cover the leading lead-walloper to keep-em behind all the trailables?

what were you sailing ?


any results URL or ... pics or it didn't happen?

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 12:16 AM

Not copmuter litterate enough to work out how to post results ect.

Guided Missile the stealth 8 1st across line then Attitude ultimate 30, 3rd Stage 3 Elliot 780, 4th So What stealth 780, 5th Rice Rocket T650, then us on Gone Troppo which had a mixed fortune as at start getting squeesed out by adams 10 shitter we pulled in behind him and he bloody dropped his rig about 6foot from the start boat which left us with a 30 odd foot wide adams in front of us and a start boat to miss as well (which the start boat appreciated as they couldnt thank us enough after the race, we got bloody close).. Once started again in about 30th row had to deal with every overweight lead walloper amusing themselfs with taking us to hell on a cracked leg including the T650 once we pulled them in, then the course headed north to mud is about 8mile beam reach which Guided just bolted away with troppo getting up to 4th with small bag on to only have the boat nose dive and break the bow pole holding out thingy which had to be jury rigged which kept us ahead of yachts but not enough time to pull in the other sporties. Oh and the new rig looked like shit, will have to get busy with that. Every one had great rides we were so busy fixing things we didnt even run out of Rum.

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 03:23 AM

CONGRATULTIONS

'Gone Troppo' back on the water !! I hope the Anarchy technical advice on getting the mast re-stepped did help !
you know the tips after 14 months of 'issues' re-stepping that baby.

Was she the last Alby built e780 ? all carbon ? Als raced it?
Fella must be happy with his 'rice rocket'. Would it be much slower than a T7? less rig mebbe

You would think this fleet would flush out the other 6mtrs ? ie Egan etc, and lambourne?

Whens the next 'big meet'? coming together?

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 04:38 AM

CONGRATULTIONS

'Gone Troppo' back on the water !! I hope the Anarchy technical advice on getting the mast re-stepped did help !
you know the one after 14 months of problems re-stepping that baby.

Was she the last caw. build e780 ? all carbon Als raced it?
Fella must be happy with his 'rice rocket'. Would it be much slower than a T7? less rig ?

You woild think this fleet would flush out the other 6mtrs ? ie Egan etc, and lambourne?

Whens the next 'big meet'? coming together?




the owner of the egan 6 is currently overseas working on a big boat and the boat is still at the workshop getting fixed from when the tri t boned us so it well be back on the water in about 6 months time when the owner gets back and well hopefully heading to hogs.

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 04:46 AM

I think troppo was one of the first lot, all glass boat and bloody heavy alloy rig, stage three has a carbon hull and rig and no interior and is the boat we won the last bay to bay on. Bugger the boat broke a couple of bits as even with the shitter hampering our start i think we would have had all the non winged boats. Hopefully we can get a good number out there more often as they have given the sporties a div numbers permiting. 60 plus boats out there for a combined club rase was great.

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 07:58 AM

The rice rocket went rely well for it"s first race. Don"t know if the log is correct or not but we had a few rides of 17.5 knots fuck it was fun and bloody wet . Good for the hangover. I think all the sportzboats hope it blows like again.So we can piss of all the keelboats with the hell kite ride we had except for you slapper maybe next time . :P :P :P :D :D

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 10:21 AM

which/where are the carbon ones ?

Tropical Son mebbe one ?

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on the same subject the Airlie carbon 780 " X2 " sold. where to?

also the Scorpion8000 Shot in the Dark sold on, any gossip

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 11:18 AM

Stealthy was out for a run again on the weekend in the R.K inter-club. Not sure if like some of the other hot shots, they went the wrong way at some stage, but were beaten over the line by the Radford 40. When I say them on the run to the finish, they didn'y appear to be flying a very big kite, although they did sail underneath and out the otherside of a E7.

The rest of the lake sports boats were Missing In Action??????

Place Boat Name Elapsd BCH CHC Class Fin Tim ETOrd
1 Force 12 1:55:52 0.954 0.929 Radford12 15:25:52 1
2 For Play 2:06:10 0.876 0.863 Adams10 15:36:10 16
3 Gladiator 1:59:08 0.928 0.907 Thompson980 15:29:08 5
4 Rossco 1:59:07 0.928 0.914 Ross35 15:29:07 4
5 Justus 2:03:33 0.895 0.88 Davidson36 15:33:33 11
5 Kerinda 2:02:59 0.899 0.881 Lidgard10.6 15:32:59 10
7 Uncle Fe 2:01:51 0.907 0.897 Adams10.6 15:31:51 8
8 Mitchell 2:03:59 0.892 0.881 Adams10_C 15:33:59 12
9 Fred 2:09:06 0.856 0.848 S111ext 15:39:06 19
10 Cathay III 2:09:46 0.852 0.856 Adams10 15:39:46 21
11 Jungle 2:08:51 0.858 0.86 Adams10_Mod 15:38:51 17
12 Stealthy 1:57:07 0.944 0.948 Stealth8 15:27:07 2
13 Wednzday 2:00:50 0.915 0.909 Adams10.6 15:30:50 7
14 High Anx 2:04:11 0.89 0.897 Elliot10.5 15:34:11 13
15 Squid 1:59:21 0.926 0.935 Radfordsprint 15:29:21 6
16 Austral 2:08:56 0.858 0.867 Davidson36 15:38:56 18
17 Fathom 1:58:53 0.93 0.94 Sydney39 15:28:53 3
18 Addiction 2:05:18 0.882 0.89 Bavaria38 15:35:18 14
19 Sharkface 2:05:55 0.878 0.886 Phillips11.1 15:35:55 15
20 Ciao 2:19:35 0.792 0.826 Dubois34 15:49:35 23
21 Rum Run 2:09:31 0.854 0.879 Elliot31 15:39:31 20
22 Anarchy 2:14:35 0.822 0.847 Ns380 15:44:35 22
23 Wallop 2:02:21 0.904 1.003 Bh41 15:32:21 9
DNC SRB JS36
DNC Buckle Up Boatspeed23
DNC Spank Magic25
DNC BeerBalast Magic25
DNC ZeroToZero Magic25
DNC Achillis Magic25
DNC Men in Black Boatspeed23
DNC Ex-Tension Davidson36_IOR
DNC Excapade Nsx38
DNC Yes Dear Beneteau47.3
DNC Full Frontal Northshore380
DNC Bohica Boatspeed23
DNF Quiver Dufour44

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 01:31 AM

pretty good mixed field up to 40' BB, like the brissy Combined C's, plenty entries
is the phillips design yours ?

all sydney clubs note,
LM, Bris, Audi, BMW divE and Geelong allow entries that pass the Cat safeties

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 06:27 AM

pretty good mixed field up to 40' BB, like the brissy Combined C's, plenty entries
is the phillips design yours ?

all sydney clubs note,
LM, Bris, Audi, BMW divE and Geelong allow entries that pass the Cat safeties



Gybe, no the phillips isn't mine, but good point on the eligability. At LM, if you pass cat 7 your in. Whether you'll get a handicap you can sail to, now that's a different kettle of fish. With the tragics, we couldn't really give a stuff about the divisional result, we were really only racing ourselves.

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 11:26 AM

[quote name='GybeSet' date='Feb 6 2006, 02:21 AM' post='616777']
which/where are the carbon ones ?

Tropical Son mebbe one ?

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on the same subject the Airlie carbon 780 " X2 " sold. where to?


X2 is not an E780 its an ESPX as well as game over that was at Airlie, they just tried to scam the race comity for the hcp break.

Tropical son was after Troppo out of Al's jig so the same low tec. Troppo was launched i think 94 which was after the Schofields and Hot to Trot. Hot to Trot and another girl another planet(different name now in geelong week) are the 780's with the E7 cabins ie racing version with no interior. Stage 3 is somewhere in between. Gone Troppo is the full cruising version with poptop, sink, shitter electric keel winch, 5 bunks ect.

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 01:09 PM

Hope SA counts HCW. Guess it should since we had more sports boats at Geelong than any other state, or thereabouts anyway. News down south is that Pt Lincoln has been asked by to host nationals next February. I suspect that's good for WA lads but won't be great for the east coasters. Only other news is that the Elliot 7.8 moulds have been bought and are likely to result in the ESPX going back into production. Already 2 in SA. Looks like the SA contingent is on a bit of a surge at present.

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 03:38 PM

I reckon the hog's - racers know it. Turks . I was the one that said X2 was a ESPX at airlie and someone here said (you ?) the owner 'thought' it was a e780 and therefore was looking for a e780 tcf handicap, despite the fact the decals on his cab said ESPX, This is cheating

now when he goes to sell on yachthub.com all of a sudden it's a ESPX

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 09:53 PM

Hey Slapper, Has Troppo got the Escape cabin/cockpit arangement or the standard 780 coachroof ?

I'm would love to own a espx or standad 780 for that matter but the family ( wife ) wants something with a bit more space i.e. "Escape". I don't know anything about these so any info would be appreciated.

How much slower would the Escape be to a Standard 780 ?
what are the weight differences ?
does any one know of any for sale?




regards G.U

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 11:43 PM

Troppo and out of exile were built by Al Carwardine so are different than the escape but they both have simmalar interior volume (lots and your missus would love em) but the ESPX has only a hollow shell and 2 pipecots (not wife friendly) as for being slower i have never seen an escape but should be roughly same as al's boats i would think. Have seen one for sale down south in the latest trade a boat mag,

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 12:16 AM

the Escape was in one hammo ('00, '01?)
its definitely downtuned, rig smaller, and LAAARRGE cab

http://www.sailingsc...SCAPE [/color]

looks like a great dual purpose boat - slower

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 12:21 AM

wonder how they would go with a sportier rig?....whats your thoughts Gybe Set?

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 12:34 AM

put any e780/espx rig on ?

well the long cabin Cawardine 780's were not at all slower if you check 'Out of Exiles' older results ( '00 ~> '03), sailed right up to cbh 0.880, and beat T7's.

These boats were designated 780c for 'cruising' but were not compromised as a racer. Someone may know how many were built, and what/where they are now. OoE is in South Aus.

So the only difference with a turbo'd Escape would be, less cockpit , and
the weights (Escape=)1000kg/390kg in the Bulb , not sure exactly how that stacks up against a 'normal' (not a special) e780. Someone should know ! turks ? links on G Elliots site of earlier e780 seem to indicate between 900 up to 1000kgs

check keel is same depth !!! (2.1m ?)

shouldn't be too far behind, ? ................if weights match not much differnce at all.
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Posted 08 February 2006 - 01:14 AM

Hope SA counts HCW. Guess it should since we had more sports boats at Geelong than any other state, or thereabouts anyway. News down south is that Pt Lincoln has been asked by to host nationals next February. I suspect that's good for WA lads but won't be great for the east coasters. Only other news is that the Elliot 7.8 moulds have been bought and are likely to result in the ESPX going back into production. Already 2 in SA. Looks like the SA contingent is on a bit of a surge at present.





Go for it GB, afterall you are an Aussie too, I was hoping that this thread was going to be about all Aussie Sportsboat stuff.

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 01:32 AM

So, has MarkB's Stealth 7 seen the light of day yet?

He claims he's got photos, but I've yet to see any on SBA.

Any news of the others?

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 04:21 AM

Just ab bit of goss you may already know about, Sharocks Magic got ran over bye Hallies match 38 on the w/e, i can't post pics but hcw may be able to, magic came luffing up underneath and the bavaria just mowed down on the stern, both with kites up, meanwhile 2 etchells had a major collision, fast eddy smashing into max power just in front of the chain plates leaving a gaping hole 1/2 metre x 1/2 metre almost poking her bow out the other side of the boat, neither happy campers i imagine.

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 04:31 AM

Just ab bit of goss you may already know about, Sharocks Magic got ran over bye Hallies match 38 on the w/e, i can't post pics but hcw may be able to, magic came luffing up underneath and the bavaria just mowed down on the stern, both with kites up, meanwhile 2 etchells had a major collision, fast eddy smashing into max power just in front of the chain plates leaving a gaping hole 1/2 metre x 1/2 metre almost poking her bow out the other side of the boat, neither happy campers i imagine.




One of the E's wasn't boxhead's was it, he's got a habit of running into things.

Sharrow and the boys OK. Bavaria's have a lot of the polished silver stuff hanging off their bows?

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 04:33 AM

in the RK Robertson ?

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 04:48 AM

Already 2 in SA. Looks like the SA contingent is on a bit of a surge at present.

not only that but S.A. won the unofficial OPEN SB Championship at Geelong.
next round of OPEN class would be Airlie (hog's)

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 06:19 AM

Yes, the match 38 hit the magic in the RK Robinson. Nice hole underneath on the starboard side. The magic must have been heeled over when the match got it. From what I've heard it happened at the last mark. The magic boys were having trouble with getting the kite down. Somehow when the went to drop, the kite lifted and wrapped itself around the top of the mast?????? Farrrk knows how you'd manage to do that. Lucky for Gav & Sharo they've currently got two magic's (or unlucky depending on how you look at it) so they shouldn't miss any time on the water.
I'm not surprised that the magic got holed. It was only a matter of time. The lead bellies treated us with contempt from day one, refusing to give way down hill as I've already stated in other posts. It gets a little boring after a while. One of the reasons mines sitting packed up in the driveway.

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 12:59 PM


Already 2 in SA. Looks like the SA contingent is on a bit of a surge at present.

not only that but S.A. won the unofficial OPEN SB Championship at Geelong.
next round of OPEN class would be Airlie (hog's)


1st and 2nd.

perhaps last hogs trailable nationals for while if pt lincoln hosting next year.

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 06:41 PM

Grizzly

I posted OPEN Sportsboat nats (unoff.) , not the trailer sailer jamboree

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 12:14 AM

put any e780/espx rig on ?

well the long cabin Cawardine 780's were not at all slower if you check 'Out of Exiles' older results ( '00 ~> '03), sailed right up to cbh 0.880, and beat T7's.

These boats were designated 780c for 'cruising' but were not compromised as a racer. Someone may know how many were built, and what/where they are now. OoE is in South Aus.

So the only difference with a turbo'd Escape would be, less cockpit , and
the weights (Escape=)1000kg/390kg in the Bulb , not sure exactly how that stacks up against a 'normal' (not a special) e780. Someone should know ! turks ? links on G Elliots site of earlier e780 seem to indicate between 900 up to 1000kgs

check keel is same depth !!! (2.1m ?)

shouldn't be too far behind, ? ................if weights match not much differnce at all.
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.get a cawardine 'C' boat ??
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Inside the escape looks the roughly the same as Troppo ect but looks like cabin might be about 300mm longer but same hight and inside bits, keel sounds a bit heavy as most E780's are around 300kg lead i think and mast head shutes.

Are the national sportboat titles at Hogs this year? Not on the Hogs web site yet! Hope so as there sounds like a few more Brisbane boats could be going this year.

Check out of exiles results from hogs 04 and didnt come close to T7 across line and didnt worry there dominance on hcp either on .860 i think.

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 05:30 AM


put any e780/espx rig on ?

well the long cabin Cawardine 780's were not at all slower if you check 'Out of Exiles' older results ( '00 ~> '03), sailed right up to cbh 0.880, and beat T7's.

These boats were designated 780c for 'cruising' but were not compromised as a racer. Someone may know how many were built, and what/where they are now. OoE is in South Aus.

So the only difference with a turbo'd Escape would be, less cockpit , and
the weights (Escape=)1000kg/390kg in the Bulb , not sure exactly how that stacks up against a 'normal' (not a special) e780. Someone should know ! turks ? links on G Elliots site of earlier e780 seem to indicate between 900 up to 1000kgs

check keel is same depth !!! (2.1m ?)

shouldn't be too far behind, ? ................if weights match not much differnce at all.
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Inside the escape looks the roughly the same as Troppo ect but looks like cabin might be about 300mm longer but same hight and inside bits, keel sounds a bit heavy as most E780's are around 300kg lead i think and mast head shutes.

Are the national sportboat titles at Hogs this year? Not on the Hogs web site yet! Hope so as there sounds like a few more Brisbane boats could be going this year.

Check out of exiles results from hogs 04 and didnt come close to T7 across line and didnt worry there dominance on hcp either on .860 i think.


Turks i qualified 'Exile' times as 'older' , that is Mal Thompson owned it (NSW) did '00 Hammo and NSW touring circuit, coupla a Marlay Points, definitely T7 speed or better, always sailed up to it's 0.880 with that outfit. fast

The webpage that the thumbnail of your boat is on shows articles on the original boats specs (edge,purple haze etc) way back then 400kg keel which i'm thinking is maybe same bulb as the Escape ?? we know Alby doesn't like lead tho.
Escape would need the same Draft tho to emulate 780 performance.

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 05:58 AM

Grizzly

I posted OPEN Sportsboat nats (unoff.) , not the trailer sailer jamboree



Sorry GS not following

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 06:21 PM

I was thinking that the event you are referring to is not the OPEN entry meet, it's restricted. Includes Trailer Sailers.



The events I was referring to is the OPEN entry meets. of which Geelong and Hogs are the unofficial champs. These are sportsboat divisions

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 10:24 PM

I was thinking that the event you are referring to is not the OPEN entry meet, it's restricted. Includes Trailer Sailers.



The events I was referring to is the OPEN entry meets. of which Geelong and Hogs are the unofficial champs. These are sportsboat divisions



That's what I thought you meant. I have been told, whether its right or wrong I can't say, that Pt Lincoln has been asked to host an open sportsboat event, which the organisers in Pt Lincoln thought meant in lieu of Hogs

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 10:24 AM

Hope SA counts HCW. Guess it should since we had more sports boats at Geelong than any other state, or thereabouts anyway. News down south is that Pt Lincoln has been asked by to host nationals next February. I suspect that's good for WA lads but won't be great for the east coasters. Only other news is that the Elliot 7.8 moulds have been bought and are likely to result in the ESPX going back into production. Already 2 in SA. Looks like the SA contingent is on a bit of a surge at present.



Grizzly ,

who has bought the moulds? I would like to get in contact with them if you know.

Does anyone know whether the Escape deck mould still exists? ifso where??


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Posted 19 February 2006 - 10:46 AM

I think al still has the troppo deck mould which i think he used on So What, Stealthy if that helps! If they have the E780 moulds i dont know if they are the same as the ESPX.

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 10:48 AM

The espx has its keel 300mm further back by memory.

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 12:16 PM

the shorter cabin (e7 one?) might do that

not too may designs could do that without the mast step, or at least the CoE coming back a similar distance ?

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 12:15 AM


Hope SA counts HCW. Guess it should since we had more sports boats at Geelong than any other state, or thereabouts anyway. News down south is that Pt Lincoln has been asked by to host nationals next February. I suspect that's good for WA lads but won't be great for the east coasters. Only other news is that the Elliot 7.8 moulds have been bought and are likely to result in the ESPX going back into production. Already 2 in SA. Looks like the SA contingent is on a bit of a surge at present.



Grizzly ,

who has bought the moulds? I would like to get in contact with them if you know.

Does anyone know whether the Escape deck mould still exists? ifso where??


G.U





Dave Alexander, sail maker in Adelaide

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 03:40 AM

Lake Macquarie

nr Toronto or Fennell bay there is a smaller (bright?) YELLOW boat with 'TAXI' on the topsides, anyone know what it is ???

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 03:56 AM

If it is the one I think it is. A bloke I know was looking at buying it a few years back. All I can remember is that it is an ex JOG boat. Supposed to be pretty quick for its age. Thats all I know about it. I wish he had bought it as the boat he ended up buying was a boomaroo 25. Just a slight speed difference there.

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 06:21 AM

If it is the one I think it is. A bloke I know was looking at buying it a few years back. All I can remember is that it is an ex JOG boat. Supposed to be pretty quick for its age. Thats all I know about it. I wish he had bought it as the boat he ended up buying was a boomaroo 25. Just a slight speed difference there.



A mate of mine was, decaf I'm getting concerned here was looking at buying it also, turns out Taxi is a french design, with at the time heaps of top gear including electronic's for, get this $8000.

From what I know Taxi is a composite job, fairly Hitech too, 24 footer with at the time a triple spreader inline rig with runners (Yuk).

The boat was fast back then, and no reason why it wouldn't be today, it was pretty extreme as a design back when it was built.

Dave was looking to sail it single handed as he put it (He's only got one arm), how ever he got all sensible and bought a Compass 25 shitter.

Sure it's not the same Gentleman we are both talking about there Decaf ?

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 08:41 AM

Recently a boat up here in NT was sold down to some bloke at RQYS, anyone seen it out sailing yet. T650 with a yellow stick and yellow rudder. Quick boat with a huge FOA (F*** off assymetrical) Anyone seen it out yet??

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 09:26 AM

Had it out a couple of weeks ago . It was about 20 to25knts had a blast handover and all we hit about 18knts with the hounds kite up. Getting some new rags for it hopefully it might go up wind a bit quicker? The race was 20nm we did it in about 2h25m with was ok i guess. got another race next weekend then getting ready for the b2b. Carn"t wait.
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Posted 10 March 2006 - 09:57 AM

Here some pictures off the modified 18. Looks like he cut the deck off and added in about 250-300mm and glued it back on. Bulb looks pretty big to. maybe 100kgs. hard to tell it is a funny shape.

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 10:09 AM

The cabin top off the modified 18 is the hull off a 16ft skiff & the bulb is 100kg. Good guess Mark the rig in it is the old Orphans one & has a no2 18teens rig aswell. Has 2 sets of wings aswell . Looking forward to having a sail on it . Should be a bit of fun one way or another. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 10:15 AM

I agree speed should be great fun for not much coin. He has done a good job on it it looks unreal up close.

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 10:20 AM

Didn't a Modified 18 win the Marlay one year?

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 10:22 AM

Trying to talk him into doing the b2b . So he can race against us. Will your boat be ready for the race ? Has Alby finished your bulb yet? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 10:28 AM

Not sure at this stage. Going to see Alby in the morning I pulled my rudder box off the rudder today so I have to take it over to the boat to see if it fits. See how the bulb looks then. Plug was finished a few weeks ago so you never know but he has got a bit on at the moment with his cat so I am not rushing him.

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 10:39 AM

You might have to hound him abit . Every thing is done in Albys time but might not be in your time frame. Last time i saw him he was repairing someone"s carbon rig .

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 10:54 AM

Nah he is good. I had a beer with him on Monday and everything is going sweet.
Speaking off modified 18's there is the one on ebay for $900 see the Dinghy Anarchy. Add another 1000 and you could the same boat.

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 11:10 AM

The cabin top off the modified 18 is the hull off a 16ft skiff & the bulb is 100kg. Good guess Mark the rig in it is the old Orphans one & has a no2 18teens rig aswell. Has 2 sets of wings aswell . Looking forward to having a sail on it . Should be a bit of fun one way or another. :lol: :lol: :lol:



If it has the old mighty "Orphan" rig it will be way to small, especially with the wings on and 100kgs in the keel. That rig was an old 505 mast with masthead stays and kite halyard, bloody strong but as i have seen the whole boat out of the water as the rig was stuck in the mud and the boat rolled over it till some thing let go. Ahhh the good old days

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 10:51 PM


If it is the one I think it is. A bloke I know was looking at buying it a few years back. All I can remember is that it is an ex JOG boat. Supposed to be pretty quick for its age. Thats all I know about it. I wish he had bought it as the boat he ended up buying was a boomaroo 25. Just a slight speed difference there.



A mate of mine was, decaf I'm getting concerned here was looking at buying it also, turns out Taxi is a french design, with at the time heaps of top gear including electronic's for, get this $8000.

From what I know Taxi is a composite job, fairly Hitech too, 24 footer with at the time a triple spreader inline rig with runners (Yuk).

The boat was fast back then, and no reason why it wouldn't be today, it was pretty extreme as a design back when it was built.

Dave was looking to sail it single handed as he put it (He's only got one arm), how ever he got all sensible and bought a Compass 25 shitter.

Sure it's not the same Gentleman we are both talking about there Decaf ?


Definately not the same person HCW. The guy I know was looking at buying it back in 98 I think, to be sailed on Port Stephens. He is more of a cruising type so wanted to be able to get up the myall river which is why he went with the boomaroo.

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 09:35 AM

Had it out a couple of weeks ago . It was about 20 to25knts had a blast handover and all we hit about 18knts with the hounds kite up. Getting some new rags for it hopefully it might go up wind a bit quicker? The race was 20nm we did it in about 2h25m with was ok i guess. got another race next weekend then getting ready for the b2b. Carn"t wait.
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wicked. she was never as quick as i thought it would be upwind. Had the big blue kite up in about 20-22 knots once and hit about 25, gps reading. I was crapping even with all that bouyancy up there i still didn't feel comfortable. Do you own it or do you crew on it?

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 10:20 AM

I own the boat . Everything was under control & the boat was very stable Farken wet boat i bailed 14 buckets of water out of the boat when we got back in . Carn"t wait to use the blue kite in a bit of breeze. How"s Cameron going still looking after the top end from those illegal fishermen???????
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Posted 13 March 2006 - 07:54 AM

Lake Macquarie guys, what was the go with the Handicapping for the Sunsail over the weekend, Rayo a Mumm 36 giving Wallop a BH 41 Time?

What, don't they want people to sail up there, they will certainly lose heaps if they keep doing that.

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Posted 13 March 2006 - 10:03 AM

"Lake Macquarie guys, what was the go with the Handicapping for the Sunsail over the weekend, Rayo a Mumm 36 giving Wallop a BH 41 Time?

What, don't they want people to sail up there, they will certainly lose heaps if they keep doing that."



"H", just more typical arrogant LMYC B.S. It would appear that boats are handicapped based on personalities and not much else. The mumm was entered by Nigel (read Boatspeed 23) and had Davo on board. They were made scratch boat which is total crap, especially when the boat doesn't even carry mast head kites. From the outside it would appear that those who do not conform to the prehistoric views of the establishment will not be afforded the oppertunity to win. Look at how far Stealthy won by on Saturday in less than ideal conditions for it. The boys were packed up before the second boat (the Radford 35) finished. I thought they had to be a real show for the double, but like usual I was wrong. The sprint on the other hand took out the weekend!!! Funny how the "brand new" main never got them a handicap penalty?

Maybe they really don't want people to sail there? The place has long had a reputation of being full of arrogant ass wipes, and unfortunately of late I haven't seen much to change that stereo type. Unfortunate, because there are some great blokes there. If there was a club that offered hard stand facilities the magics would be there. As it is now, there's lucky to be one out every week, we had six at the start of the season! Had they been given a handicap they could sail to things may have been different, but people get degected real quick when they come out and have a blinder, over achieving against the lead bellies and still finishing near the rear on handicap.

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Posted 13 March 2006 - 10:10 AM

theres not really that many more to lose is there??

according to the results there were only 39 boats overall for the whole regatta, and only 33 boats for the supposed premier event for the club which is the 50miler, there was an article on the front page here a few months ago that im trying to track down about the decline of big boat racing in San Diego, due to boring courses with lack of variety, piss poor race management, if any1 has that article send me a copy plz, it will be going on the club notice board with highlighted points and also being emailed to the Sailing Secretary and GM of the club.

HCW re Rayo giving Wallop time, thats obviously the order that the boat names were either drawn from the hat or the order in which they landed on the stairs when they were thrown down them to determine whos turn it was to win this year,

how original and exciting were the courses for the Sunsail regatta, a Pulbah island race on saterday and a bay course for sunday, give the ppl sumthing different, y not have 3 short sprint type W/L races each day...but i spose that will never happen in a club that is run by and caters for the weekend warriors who like long single tack legs and runs with no gybes so there is no thinking for them to do and they can get on with the important task of drinking 3 cases of piss per race

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Posted 13 March 2006 - 12:22 PM

A mate of mine was on Rayo for the Sunday race, just keep an eye on that Mumm guys they are praying for the Rig to come down, so there could be a bit of action for you to watch.

My mate was googled at the Handicapp they were given, and protested about the 3/4 kite issue.

Didn't realise Nigel had the reigns, geeze that must have hurt him to go from ultra tippy BS23 to lead bellie - ouch?

I think from memory Rayo had to give Stealthy 10minutes, that's Farrked up.

Looks like you guys certainly need a changing of the guard, it's killing your Club.

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 11:03 AM

Lake Macquarie

nr Toronto or Fennell bay there is a smaller (bright?) YELLOW boat with 'TAXI' on the topsides, anyone know what it is ???



it's a one off and looks faster than it is...It's sailing twighlight races at Toronto of a pretty genourous handicap. The Mungral gives it about 8 minutes per hour :blink:

Supposedly high tech construction (kevlar/carbon/bi-cloth) or so I was told by a dealer in Pittwater when I was looking for a boat but it had just been sold so didn't get a look.

For some reason the owner has put a big wheel steering on it that looks a bit too sensitive and the boat looks trimmed down at the stern.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 04:52 AM


Lake Macquarie

nr Toronto or Fennell bay there is a smaller (bright?) YELLOW boat with 'TAXI' on the topsides, anyone know what it is ???



it's a one off and looks faster than it is...It's sailing twighlight races at Toronto of a pretty genourous handicap. The Mungral gives it about 8 minutes per hour :blink:

Supposedly high tech construction (kevlar/carbon/bi-cloth) or so I was told by a dealer in Pittwater when I was looking for a boat but it had just been sold so didn't get a look.

For some reason the owner has put a big wheel steering on it that looks a bit too sensitive and the boat looks trimmed down at the stern.



Farrr out the boats only what 24foot long, the wheel would look kinda well "DumB" wouldn't it. You'll probably find the quadrant weighs more than the keel. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 08:27 AM

"Lake Macquarie guys, what was the go with the Handicapping for the Sunsail over the weekend, Rayo a Mumm 36 giving Wallop a BH 41 Time?

, over achieving against the lead bellies and still finishing near the rear on handicap.


Could not agree more!! we had an absolute blinder saturady, finishing within minutes behind kerinda a lidghaurd 35 and not long at all behind the big boys, to finsh well back on handicapp,Davo thought we should have won, so did wally and justin, but just goes to show that even when a boat gets a good start does well and finishes up there the handicapp will scew you every time, There is no way on earth that our oar boat could of done any better on saturday, and we get a slap from our handicap

Also (thoughts pls) does a masthead boat seem right only giving a fractional boat 54 secs per 100 min??? i would of thought a bit more but apparently not(both same type of boat)especially on a 6 hr downhill slide
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Posted 15 March 2006 - 11:13 AM

So it sounds like the new owner has Stealthy going alright then? Anyone been for a ride yet.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 11:29 AM


If it is the one I think it is. A bloke I know was looking at buying it a few years back. All I can remember is that it is an ex JOG boat. Supposed to be pretty quick for its age. Thats all I know about it. I wish he had bought it as the boat he ended up buying was a boomaroo 25. Just a slight speed difference there.



A mate of mine was, decaf I'm getting concerned here was looking at buying it also, turns out Taxi is a french design, with at the time heaps of top gear including electronic's for, get this $8000.

From what I know Taxi is a composite job, fairly Hitech too, 24 footer with at the time a triple spreader inline rig with runners (Yuk).

The boat was fast back then, and no reason why it wouldn't be today, it was pretty extreme as a design back when it was built.

Dave was looking to sail it single handed as he put it (He's only got one arm), how ever he got all sensible and bought a Compass 25 shitter.

Sure it's not the same Gentleman we are both talking about there Decaf ?


Taxi was finished by a mate of mine Tony. He bought it as a bare cedar hull with no deck. I can track him down if you'd like

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 11:36 AM

Lake Macquarie

nr Toronto or Fennell bay there is a smaller (bright?) YELLOW boat with 'TAXI' on the topsides, anyone know what it is ???

Sooo, anyone know what it is ???

alot of detail here for a 'mystery' design.

More modern than a 'quarter' then , but in-line and runners. Does it not race, or a LMacq. seagull bombing range?

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 12:32 PM

So it sounds like the new owner has Stealthy going alright then? Anyone been for a ride yet.



Bob won the last Sportsboat Nationals with Penguins, so I'd say he'll do just as well with Stealthy, I know the boys who sail on it are having a ball. And I guess the concerning bit it is in the limited time they've had the boat they can only get faster from here on in.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 12:36 PM

Sorro awaits with a noo BIG mainsail.

pick a cyca winter heat if cannot match up before on a regatta date?

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 12:39 PM


Lake Macquarie

nr Toronto or Fennell bay there is a smaller (bright?) YELLOW boat with 'TAXI' on the topsides, anyone know what it is ???

Sooo, anyone know what it is ???

alot of detail here for a 'mystery' design.

More modern than a 'quarter' then , but in-line and runners. Does it not race, or a LMacq. seagull bombing range?



GS, I think if the dude who owns it now fronted with a huge steering wheel, I know he'll win the start because everyone else will be tooo busy laughing.

I think the old TAXI is gooone out to pasture, I haven't heard nor seen it race anywhere up here. Bit like the T750 rip off down my end of the Lake, the owner took it out for a sail, scared the crap out of himself then parked the boat, not seen again.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 01:56 PM

which 750 rip off ?

actually reading the clues, Hair OTD says it doing some toronto twilighters, ChrisT (lyons wicked) says a mate bought it 8k and finished there cedar hull off , and another says a JOG boat. mebbe a GBM ?

look bloody funny with a li'l chrome wheel, huh

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 01:16 AM

which 750 rip off ?

actually reading the clues, Hair OTD says it doing some toronto twilighters, ChrisT (lyons wicked) says a mate bought it 8k and finished there cedar hull off , and another says a JOG boat. mebbe a GBM ?

look bloody funny with a li'l chrome wheel, huh


We use to race against Tony and his Dad "Fossil" way back in RPAYC Div4. They had a 1/4 tonner called "Between the Sheets" which was scratch Boat. When we evetually learned how to sail a Spider 22, we became scratch boat.

One of the reason Tony purchased the bare hull, was because they didn't like being beaten. The first name they came up with was "Baygon"

By The time Taxi was launched , we were in the middle of building Wicked, so he never got his revenge, but went and played JOG instead.

It was named Taxi, because of the colour, and The instrument pod mounted on the cabin looked like a taxi sign.

By the way, I think it had a carbon dunny seat.

I'm sure it is the same boat you're talking about, as I have seen it swinging on a mooring at Lake Mac

Remembering more stuff now. It has a Spider 24 keel in it, and I think the rig was an old Etchells rig.

It originally had a tiller, and stern hung rudder.

The Hitec layup must be the toilet seat....... : )

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 11:49 AM

Another combined fleet race on sunday and hopefully a few sportboats are going out, Guided and Troppo that i know of. Any one else? Will up date on how it went tomorow.

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Posted 20 March 2006 - 02:32 PM

Not as big fleet this week in the sportboat div, Guided Missile (Stealth 8) , Rice Rocket (T650), Attitude (Ultimate 30) and the Troppo, around 2 large triangle races, in approx 15-18 knots saw Guided first then Troppo a few mins back and Rice approx 5 mins back chased by Attitude. Race 2 and the non winged/Flared boats came home with the money, Troppo 1 , Rice 2, Attude 3 and Guided with broken rudder. Lead bellies beat us in both races as with only 4 crew we found going upwind was a bit painfull, but the well provisioned esky took a little of the pain away.

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Posted 20 March 2006 - 02:39 PM

Attitude and Guided aren't trying hard enuf then !! beaten by what size bellies?

IMO that means Attitude will never get the money they are asking ??

goodonyu , speed and tubs for getting out there,

makes for alot of sorry bastards out of those with good fast SB's on trailers i reckon

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Posted 20 March 2006 - 10:12 PM

Attitude and Guided aren't trying hard enuf then !! beaten by what size bellies?

Must be a Winged thing! :lol:

Lead bellies were around 40 foot, will try and get some results when the club gets its shit together and puts them on site.

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Posted 22 March 2006 - 10:22 AM

Bit of a NEWSFLASH here boys and girls not sure if it good or bad yet.

- YA Cat 5 Certificate found to be ambiguous in it's Stability request.

Rule 3.01.1 Yachts must be self righting and comply with stability requirements
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Rule 3.01.2 Yachts not complying with 3.01.1 must have bouyancy.

(Yachts not complying with either don't worry about it apparently)

Anyway it looks like we've stumbled across an anomily that has sent the powers that be off to reconsider.

The bit that interests me is the HSF factor, which has been the subject of much conjecture is to be modified.

Instead of either lifting the keel or pulling the boat down via the hounds, an abbreviated rule is being sought that TS's, can lift their keels up to the fully up position, then pulling down on the spinnaker or headsail halyard till then boat is approximately 50 degrees.

If once the halyard is released, the boat returns to upright, you pass, if your boat keeps going you fail unless you have adequate buoyancy.

This is what is being thrashed around at moment, which is also including one of Australia's Premier yacht designers.

Second topic that was discussed was the amount of trouble Yachting Victoria finds itself in at the moment following 4 deaths recently.

Apparently Yachting Victoria in their efforts moreso hast to grant dispensation to various Classes, have indirectly resulted in the deaths of 4 sailors.

I guess stand by and watch the shite hit the fan on that one, Adams 10 sailors apparently.

Mmmmm....

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Posted 22 March 2006 - 01:06 PM

A10 and we don't know of it ?

A10's have been to Hobart !, Belmont ones, is it even possible they have a stability issue ?

I ran out of salt long long ago, no matter, topic(s) discussed where ?

the two clauses mentioned don't have an anonomoly, it says if you don't have self-right you must have buoyancy.

Yachts not complying with either don't worry about it apparently

not true , If you have neither you are not to race.

Thats how they have always been and is what we've been discussing here for years

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Posted 22 March 2006 - 01:45 PM

GS,

Victorian issue that involved A10's, I heard it very second hand, however the YV has to front a coronial inquiry and apparently the Loooong list of Dispensations that YV granted, they've either forgotten about them or they've come back to bite them.

Definately NOT happy days for some Yachting Officials down South at present.

On the Cat 5 3.01 issue it was moreso with reference to Stealthy and 1 off boats trying to comply with something.

I know we've had discussions about this issue previously, however I think given the direction the NSW powers that be have gone, more boats (and that's Sportsboats) can comply to a modified HSF test if that indeed is what could be accepted.

Also would mean that it's probably easier to Police if you really had to, there's no need for a crane and not a lot of effort needed.

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Posted 22 March 2006 - 02:46 PM

but theres no anonomaly in the wording/text is there.

It's the designs problem if it neither rights or has bouyancy. I don't think this has changed or is news?

The problem is the physical testing itself, or proof of.

OF COURSE it would be great if a simple method like you describe would work, but it's too unscientific for a designer to risk a coroner over,
Make it a requirement on your NOR, must have bouyancy unless ........dadadah...dadadah.............., entrants signs off on this claiming compliance of his boat and absolves you and your org of ALL responsibility.

Liabilty is obviously the REAL problem. Get a lawyer to write up your disclaimer-owner relieves organiser of fault statement.
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