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[Elliott780]

New Phuket 10 seen at RQYS.

The owner of the boat is the owner of the phuket 8 (don't know if he still is) he built the boat in his shed out at rocklea and has something to do with building helicopter's, The son in law sailed on my boat a few months back.

[Heaven can wait]

Ummm she's certainly not the prettiest 33'er I ever saw. Sorry.

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[Turkey Slapper]

Anyone have the dates for the State titles in April i think? Looked but cant find them!

[bakers dough]

Anyone have the dates for the State titles in April i think? Looked but cant find them!

Does anyone know when the state titles are going to be on. And if they are being held at yeppoon again. Some people need to plan early for these things.

[Speed]

Does anyone know when the state titles are going to be on. And if they are being held at yeppoon again. Some people need to plan early for these things.

Last years States where on the June long weekend .

[mattchew]

Last years States where on the June long weekend .

yea that was last year, wasnt there talk of making them earlier this year?

[Turkey Slapper]

I did hear they were to be in Yeppon again, but i just dont know when if anyone can give a date!

[Rolls Ross]

I did hear they were to be in Yeppon again, but i just dont know when if anyone can give a date!

June long weekend in Yeppoon.

April has the State IRC titles at RQYS - early money would have to be on barman or Ox

[on the breeze]

June long weekend in Yeppoon.

April has the State IRC titles at RQYS - early money would have to be on barman or Ox

Rolls are the States definetly confirmed on these dates and Location. Both sorts

[waterbouy101]

I did hear they were to be in Yeppon again, but i just dont know when if anyone can give a date!

Hey TS when is the bay to bay ? am thinking of having a crack at it ? might see if we can get a few T7's together for it

[Markb]

Hey TS when is the bay to bay ? am thinking of having a crack at it ? might see if we can get a few T7's together for it

First Weekend in May

[Barman]

Slappers not keen for the b2b

[Rolls Ross]

Rolls are the States definetly confirmed on these dates and Location. Both sorts

Yep. IRC is Anzac weekend.
Trailables June Weekend.

Blazer getting an IRC rating? if not you could always race on RR

[Elliott780]

June long weekend in Yeppoon.

April has the State IRC titles at RQYS - early money would have to be on barman or Ox

Rolls whos hosting the IRC states.

Might have to get me a melges for it

[Tokyo Trash Baby]

RQYS

[bakers dough]

June long weekend in Yeppoon.

April has the State IRC titles at RQYS - early money would have to be on barman or Ox

Excellent thats what i thought. Now to sort the crew and accomodation out.

[on the breeze]

Yep. IRC is Anzac weekend.
Trailables June Weekend.

Blazer getting an IRC rating? if not you could always race on RR

Yeah I think so Just hope we have the boat finished and rated by 25 april. should be right. Might start my own post shortly.

[Rum Monkey]

Hi All

I know this is early but we need to sort out accommodation, airfares, roadtrips, dogs and babies.
Does anyone know what the dates are for Airlie Beach Race Week 2008?

Thanks from Donna

[mattchew]

Excellent thats what i thought. Now to sort the crew and accomodation out.

lookin 4 crew eh...

[Markb]

Hi All

I know this is early but we need to sort out accommodation, airfares, roadtrips, dogs and babies.
Does anyone know what the dates are for Airlie Beach Race Week 2008?

Thanks from Donna

Hammo starts on the 22nd. It is the week before probably the 13th or 14th

[Rolls Ross]

Yeah I think so Just hope we have the boat finished and rated by 25 april. should be right. Might start my own post shortly.

GOOD IDEA! I would love to see what see looked like on her first launch.

Hi All

I know this is early but we need to sort out accommodation, airfares, roadtrips, dogs and babies.
Does anyone know what the dates are for Airlie Beach Race Week 2008?

Thanks from Donna

What boat you racing on?

[Angry Chair]

Excellent thats what i thought. Now to sort the crew and accomodation out.

You mean you don't sleep on the spider anymore?? goin soft in your old age man...

[thirsty camel]

Hi All

I know this is early but we need to sort out accommodation, airfares, roadtrips, dogs and babies.
Does anyone know what the dates are for Airlie Beach Race Week 2008?

Thanks from Donna

We just had an email from them. 14th to 21st august

[bakers dough]

You mean you don't sleep on the spider anymore?? goin soft in your old age man...

We still sleep on the boat. Just thought i might look after the crew on this one an we might do ok.

[Rum Monkey]

We just had an email from them. 14th to 21st august

Thanks for the information

[Barman]

NEWS FLASH.......


5 Elliott 7's for the first race in the MCC series on the 17th FEB.

The Class is building up here!

[TD Floater]

How's the rumour going about the Nats next Easter up there?

[Barman]

June long weekend in Yeppoon.

April has the State IRC titles at RQYS - early money would have to be on barman or Ox

Ox won't be there but you go alright all. Depends on weather I guess. Would be nice to touch up the big boats

[Markb]

Combined clubs Race 1 this Sunday at RQ.
We are in and so is Magoo. Lets see if Magoo holds together for 2 weeks in a row

[Tommy Tipout]

New Phuket 10 seen at RQYS.

Isn't that Ugly.... Was Roberts involved??

[Tokyo Trash Baby]

TODAY I SAILED ON THE MAGOO.......THE REEF AT PEEL WAS NICE TOO!!!

[Turkey Slapper]

TODAY I SAILED ON THE MAGOO.......THE REEF AT PEEL WAS NICE TOO!!!

The water was even better, you should have jumped in as well!

[Tokyo Trash Baby]

The water was even better, you should have jumped in as well!

!!!!SHARK ALLEY!!!!

[Turkey Slapper]

!!!!SHARK ALLEY!!!!

To shallow where i was standing for Sharks!

[Tokyo Trash Baby]

haha keep telling yourself that! haha.......i had no shoes thats my excuse

[Christian]

New Phuket 10 seen at RQYS.

I hope it goes better than it looks.................damn

[Barman]

TODAY I SAILED ON THE MAGOO.......THE REEF AT PEEL WAS NICE TOO!!!

She was flying upwind too, pacing well with an Elliott 7

Must admit though looked awful as we sailed passed watching the Bogan in waist deep water trying to pull her over while Slapper tried valiantly to motor her out to sea!. Bad luck boys, buy a depth sounder!!!

[pulpit]

Bad luck boys, buy a depth sounder!!!

Barman

Is that before or after they buy a fixed radio ?

pulpit

[millerbeer]

Barman

Is that before or after they buy a fixed radio ?

pulpit

I heard them on the radio saying " We've run aground. Can you pull us off!!!!!"

[on the breeze]

So what is the next race for trailerables

[pulpit]

I heard them on the radio saying " We've run aground. Can you pull us off!!!!!"

millerbeer

I bet it was on the hand held and not the fixed radio.

pulpit

[Barman]

9th March is the next Combined Clubs race. Triangles!

[Barman]

millerbeer

I bet it was on the hand held and not the fixed radio.

pulpit

Well, the hand held worked well enough to call for assistance. Give it a f#cken rest heh!

[Turkey Slapper]

Must thank the guys off the boats "The Point" and "Logistics" for there attempt to pull us off the reef, there motors just wernt quite big enough to do the job, and combined with big tide flow and there lack of manuvering ability made it a bit hard, but at least they stopped, and stood by till the Air Sea Rescue turned up. One of them had to motor out into the channel to radio Raby Bay air sea rescue as none of us could contact them from where we were stuck as we were right in close to the headland.

Does anyone know if there is still a rescue service at Dunwich?

No real damage done to the boat, only took the gelcoat of the starboard side of the bulb, sailed home after with no problems, went the kite and had a ball sitting on around 13-15 knots topping out at over 16 in waterloo bay, the good kite run changed my mind to selling the thing!

[Tommy Tipout]

Why didn't you pull the board up?

[Tokyo Trash Baby]

Why didn't you pull the board up?

something about those T7 cases that dont let you just push a button or pull a rope to make it come up!!

[Tommy Tipout]

hahahahahaha thats right - you just about need a crane to pull those up

Sounds like someone was too close to the island...... Which side of peel???

[Tokyo Trash Baby]

hahahahahaha thats right - you just about need a crane to pull those up

Sounds like someone was too close to the island...... Which side of peel???

eastern side near dunwich. between the last red heading south and the wreck. it must scallop out a bit there as we thought we were still in the channel. it was one of those "sneaky bits"

[Tommy Tipout]

Hahah,
It comes up fast there....

Any photos??

[Tokyo Trash Baby]

Hahah,
It comes up fast there....

Any photos??

nah, there was too much fun to be had.

[Turkey Slapper]

So what were the linehonours placings in the end?

Everyone seemed to be finished when we got in!

[Rolls Ross]

So what were the linehonours placings in the end?

Everyone seemed to be finished when we got in!

raptor 1st coz Ox dropped the rig...........

[Barman]

MBTBC Results

[Barman]

One word. Holy shite!!!

[r i p it up crew]

One word. Holy shite!!!

Yeah one way of describing it barney... Went out on the old AAPT grundig today for a yacht today, Started with the guys that were heading to caloundra and back. Got half way with the NE's and thought we would head back, set the shute and sat around 14 knts. Seen the breeeze line coming straight for us so we dropped the kite by the time we got the head in the bag we had a good 28 knts on the nose, hit 34 not long after. Sailed back to river gate with just number 2 headie sitting around 12 knts. Was a great day and great experience for myself,hopefully get another ride on the boat soon.

[thirsty camel]

Yeah one way of describing it barney... Went out on the old AAPT grundig today for a yacht today, Started with the guys that were heading to caloundra and back. Got half way with the NE's and thought we would head back, set the shute and sat around 14 knts. Seen the breeeze line coming straight for us so we dropped the kite by the time we got the head in the bag we had a good 28 knts on the nose, hit 34 not long after. Sailed back to river gate with just number 2 headie sitting around 12 knts. Was a great day and great experience for myself,hopefully get another ride on the boat soon.

Yeah nice work there. It was great to have a big boat that wasn't racing "shadowing" the fleet at the start.

[r i p it up crew]

Yeah nice work there. It was great to have a big boat that wasn't racing "shadowing" the fleet at the start.

Sorry bout that wasnt my call.we tried to keep away as much as possibly but still wanted to see how we were goin... what were you on? did you punch back into it?

[bakers dough]

Sorry bout that wasnt my call.we tried to keep away as much as possibly but still wanted to see how we were goin... what were you on? did you punch back into it?

PUNCH BACK INTO IT. How often in a yacht race do you do 180 degree turn at a mark and not either put a spinnaker up or take one down. Bloody paiful race worked all the way out there to turn around and work all the way back.

[thirsty camel]

Sorry bout that wasnt my call.we tried to keep away as much as possibly but still wanted to see how we were goin... what were you on? did you punch back into it?

I was on the beneteau Onyava. The change hit us rounding the fairway mark so after beating all the way there we had to beat all the way back.

[Turkey Slapper]

Looking at RQ's results for the weekend combined clubs race and no speed turtle! Were they the ones over at the start or something? There was an individual recall but didnt see any go back!

[Barman]

Looking at RQ's results for the weekend combined clubs race and no speed turtle! Were they the ones over at the start or something? There was an individual recall but didnt see any go back!

They failed to sign on!

[Turkey Slapper]

Buggar! Did anyone get a finish time on them? They beat As If ect accross the line didnt they?

[Barman]

Buggar! Did anyone get a finish time on them? They beat As If ect accross the line didnt they?

Try MBTBC results

[Turkey Slapper]

As if is an Elliot as well now!





1 RQ777 RAPTOR 3 11 22 10 201 22 201.366667 1.1190 225.3293 1.1220 RQYS Y Stealth 7
2 RQ730 AS IF 3 47 38 10 237 38 237.633333 0.9500 225.75167 0.9520 RQYS Y Elliott
3 13 BARNEY ARMY 3 49 22 10 239 22 239.366667 0.9990 239.1273 1.0000 WMSC Y Elliott 7
4 555 STAGE 111 3 55 42 10 245 42 245.7 1.0000 245.7 0.9990 RQYS Y Elliott 7.8
5 4114 SPEED TURTLE 3 40 03 10 230 03 230.05 1.0690 245.92345 1.0670 RQYS Y
6 29 FULL FRONTAL 4 15 04 10 265 04 265.066667 0.9300 246.512 0.9270 WMSC Y Elliott 7
4952 ATTITUDE D N F 10 #VALUE! F #VALUE! 1.2140 #VALUE! RQYS Y
7002 MR MAGOO D N F 10 #VALUE! F #VALUE! 1.1010 #VALUE! RQYS Y Thompson 7

[Speed]

Looking at RQ's results for the weekend combined clubs race and no speed turtle! Were they the ones over at the start or something? There was an individual recall but didnt see any go back!

We signed on & they gladly took my money aswell . We got a result on the MBTBC sight

[Heaven can wait]

A little Birdie has told me that a certain Kiwi 30 footer could be coming over to play later this year.

I like it.

[jonsailor]

I heard someone on the sunshine coast has purchased the moulds for the little Van De Stadt 18??
Status or tippiny 8.5 or what ever you call it.
Does anyone have a contact for the owners of this mould??

[Barman]

As if is an Elliot as well now!





1 RQ777 RAPTOR 3 11 22 10 201 22 201.366667 1.1190 225.3293 1.1220 RQYS Y Stealth 7
2 RQ730 AS IF 3 47 38 10 237 38 237.633333 0.9500 225.75167 0.9520 RQYS Y Elliott
3 13 BARNEY ARMY 3 49 22 10 239 22 239.366667 0.9990 239.1273 1.0000 WMSC Y Elliott 7
4 555 STAGE 111 3 55 42 10 245 42 245.7 1.0000 245.7 0.9990 RQYS Y Elliott 7.8
5 4114 SPEED TURTLE 3 40 03 10 230 03 230.05 1.0690 245.92345 1.0670 RQYS Y
6 29 FULL FRONTAL 4 15 04 10 265 04 265.066667 0.9300 246.512 0.9270 WMSC Y Elliott 7
4952 ATTITUDE D N F 10 #VALUE! F #VALUE! 1.2140 #VALUE! RQYS Y
7002 MR MAGOO D N F 10 #VALUE! F #VALUE! 1.1010 #VALUE! RQYS Y Thompson 7

If you relate these to CBH with my boat as a guide
Raptor .93 .97
Speed .89 .85
Barney Army .835
Stage 3 .836 .88?



No wonder Raptor wins every thing!

[Barman]

Got an email last night saying there was another bloke looking at buying an E7 in Brisbane. With the possibility of 6 racing on Sunday 9th March and 3 boats still not that keen to go sailing, makes for good fleet racing.

Manly CC Race 2 & 3 Sunday 9th.
On Saturday 8th is the 2008 Ultimate Sails Sir Ellis Murphy night race Series. Race Starts at 1600. Cat 5N. All boats welcome.

[Barman]

Any chance of organising SMS measurement soon? Markb you interested? Slapper, Speed? Us, Ox(After New Rig) Lets go its working down south.

[furcoat]

Any chance of organising SMS measurement soon? Markb you interested? Slapper, Speed? Us, Ox(After New Rig) Lets go its working down south.

Yeah - elixir would be in that if we get a bit of notice. Good to give it a run in some races before Airlie.

[Turkey Slapper]

Sounds good, especially if Airlie is going to run it!

Now where are my sissors!

[smuty]

Hey slapper, what is sms measurement and do we have to get Vivace measeured before Airlie Beach Race Week.

[oomummado]

Any chance of organising SMS measurement soon? Markb you interested? Slapper, Speed? Us, Ox(After New Rig) Lets go its working down south.

What do they measure? Can you use measurements off your IRC certificate?

[Tokyo Trash Baby]

sorry to sound a little dumb, but can anyone direct me to somewhere that actually explains SMS?? what is measured, how everything is calculated??

[Turkey Slapper]

Hey slapper, what is sms measurement and do we have to get Vivace measeured before Airlie Beach Race Week.

Not sure about Airlie yet, they will probably do there own thing as its not an australian sportboat assoc event, i think a few would baulk at the extra fee as well. Just keen to get something going up here and see if a decent system can be eveloved to get away from the biased shitfight the clubs have running up here at the moment. Check the ASBA website for the measurement details and info on the rule/assoc ect!

[Turkey Slapper]

Any ideas of who is doing the combined clubs triangles this sunday?

We will be in with the "old band" back together again! Should be worth a good deductions in hcp points having all the old Orphan crew on board!

[Tommy Tipout]

 Orphan.bmp   109.48K   28 downloadsYou could almost climb the mast on the Magoo without her falling over and sinking?????

Long live the Orphan

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[Tokyo Trash Baby]

 Orphan.bmp   109.48K   28 downloadsYou could almost climb the mast on the Magoo without her falling over and sinking?????

Long live the Orphan

look at that tough as nails kite on her!!! and to think it is still going!

[rodlaser]

does anyone know who owns the E7 "Twister" in the yard at Scarborough?

[Barman]

does anyone know who owns the E7 "Twister" in the yard at Scarborough?

Yep, I have his number PM me if you want!

[Turkey Slapper]

Might be a quiet weekend on the sportboat front eh Barman?

Only the 2, 7m boats that scratch there bottoms on peel in so far!

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[Barman]

5 E7's
As If
Speed Turtle
Magoo
Stage 3


Thats a fleet.

[ntman]

and raptor

[Turkey Slapper]

5 E7's
As If
Speed Turtle
Magoo
Stage 3
Thats a fleet.

Beauty! Any E7's from up the coast for a rematch?

[Barman]

Beauty! Any E7's from up the coast for a rematch?

After the Gladstone, I reckon we can get him down.

[TD Floater]

Go the E's!

[Turkey Slapper]

No T650 now, looks like it will be still windy! Again!!!!

[Turkey Slapper]

Was it fucking windy today or what!

Postponed the race start till the breese built a bit more than started it in about 20-25knots then after about 10 minutes abondoned the bloody thing! But only by radio, not by putting a boat at one of the rounding marks! So us and a few Mumm 30's and a couple of lead belly's ect (which have the crew outside the boat on the rail away from the radio) kept racing, and it got windier! Archmbult 30 dropped its rig, a couple of good wipe outs by the mumms under kite, we wiped out when the snotter let go but a preety quick downwind run the first time. Got even windier for the 2nd lap (reports of 37 knots, but who knows?), and of course, No finish boat!

The Velocitek Phil has lent us was showing some good numbers downwind but was proving just how much we were going sideways when the breese really was in upwind, great little bit of kit, if i can work out how to download the track i will!

No results obviously and no other sportboats of the 5 that we saw venturing out came for a sail out of waterloo bay.

Bring on a daisy day!

[Barman]

Was it fucking windy today or what!

Postponed the race start till the breese built a bit more than started it in about 20-25knots then after about 10 minutes abondoned the bloody thing! But only by radio, not by putting a boat at one of the rounding marks! So us and a few Mumm 30's and a couple of lead belly's ect (which have the crew outside the boat on the rail away from the radio) kept racing, and it got windier! Archmbult 30 dropped its rig, a couple of good wipe outs by the mumms under kite, we wiped out when the snotter let go but a preety quick downwind run the first time. Got even windier for the 2nd lap (reports of 37 knots, but who knows?), and of course, No finish boat!

The Velocitek Phil has lent us was showing some good numbers downwind but was proving just how much we were going sideways when the breese really was in upwind, great little bit of kit, if i can work out how to download the track i will!

No results obviously and no other sportboats of the 5 that we saw venturing out came for a sail out of waterloo bay.

Bring on a daisy day!

There were 60 boats and 12 kept racing, you are a dill. We have a tiny fixed radio well away from the crew and we heard what was going even though we don't have a hand held radio which is accessible in the cockpit.(Have a look around to decide your fate) There were no results because the race was called off. We lost the top batten out of the main which meant we were flogging it to death as much as the Magoo does! We decided that a full esky was beckoning so ran for the comfort of the harbour. I wish I had you income Slapper!!! We have brains dude to save our gear for races that count!!!


Best of luck to you you rockstar!!!

[Barman]

Was it fucking windy today or what!

Postponed the race start till the breese built a bit more than started it in about 20-25knots then after about 10 minutes abondoned the bloody thing! But only by radio, not by putting a boat at one of the rounding marks! So us and a few Mumm 30's and a couple of lead belly's ect (which have the crew outside the boat on the rail away from the radio) kept racing, and it got windier! Archmbult 30 dropped its rig, a couple of good wipe outs by the mumms under kite, we wiped out when the snotter let go but a preety quick downwind run the first time. Got even windier for the 2nd lap (reports of 37 knots, but who knows?), and of course, No finish boat!

The Velocitek Phil has lent us was showing some good numbers downwind but was proving just how much we were going sideways when the breese really was in upwind, great little bit of kit, if i can work out how to download the track i will!

No results obviously and no other sportboats of the 5 that we saw venturing out came for a sail out of waterloo bay.

Bring on a daisy day!

They postponed the start from triangle to a passage race because it was hard work out there to even lay a coarse let alone sail around it. Volunteer your boat to lay a better coarse or stop dissing the guys who put in the time to allow you the luxury of racing.


Rant over, Goggs your loosing it dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Turkey Slapper]

Fuckn hell! You been hanging out with Rolls?

Not dissing anyone, i didnt think i mentioned having a problem with the course either, we kept sailing and could have also come in but decided to have a day out! No problem there either i thought! And by the way, we had brains and saved our sails for the races that count, a 6 yo set isnt really the set i would be using in the races that count!

Sorry if i offended you, somehow!

[Rolls Ross]

Fuckn hell! You been hanging out with Rolls?

FUCKWIT - SO WHO YOU GOING TO ACCUSE OF CHEATING THIS WEEK - I WASN'T THERE AND MARKB DIDN'T WIN.....

[Tokyo Trash Baby]

keep going guys your doing well......

[Turkey Slapper]

FUCKWIT - SO WHO YOU GOING TO ACCUSE OF CHEATING THIS WEEK - I WASN'T THERE AND MARKB DIDN'T WIN.....

Ahh, Gybe sets alias is back! Where the fuck were you when others were questioning the yardsticks? Or you only brave enough to reply to certain sailors posts eh? Sleeping with the enemy now?

Keep up with the insults, afterall you are the only Adult here apperently!

[Rolls Ross]

Ahh, Gybe sets alias is back! Where the fuck were you when others were questioning the yardsticks? Or you only brave enough to reply to certain sailors posts eh? Sleeping with the enemy now?
Keep up with the insults, afterall you are the only Adult here apperently!

Believe it or not we don't all have anarchy on 24/7, if you want me to comment on yardsticks (my that was a big word for you to type all on your own) I am happy to. Post away your latest whinge - i have had plenty of discussion about this with Barman face to face and I am happy to be entertained by your thoughts on the matter. Why don't you start with a full listing of all the regattas that the boat in question has won, then follow it up with the results that it has the boat winning on PBH in the same race that Barman (compare against a well sailed SB) has won on IRC - or is IRC a cheat's rating system also? When you have analysed that data then advise everyone what time you are investing/volunteering to get SMS up and running in Qld.

BTW what happened on the weekend, were you 'unlucky' again?

As for name calling I refer to it more as "stating a fact".

[GybeSet®]

ahhh Qlders,

pumpkin scones anyone ?
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they are gonna need a VERY reliable measurer, dat fo' sho

[Turkey Slapper]

Believe it or not we don't all have anarchy on 24/7, if you want me to comment on yardsticks (my that was a big word for you to type all on your own) I am happy to. Post away your latest whinge - i have had plenty of discussion about this with Barman face to face and I am happy to be entertained by your thoughts on the matter. Why don't you start with a full listing of all the regattas that the boat in question has won, then follow it up with the results that it has the boat winning on PBH in the same race that Barman (compare against a well sailed SB) has won on IRC - or is IRC a cheat's rating system also? When you have analysed that data then advise everyone what time you are investing/volunteering to get SMS up and running in Qld.

BTW what happened on the weekend, were you 'unlucky' again?

As for name calling I refer to it more as "stating a fact".

Yawn! Keep going, im the only one with a concern obviously eh? Where is the name calling to the others with the same concerns, but thats right we are all Adults here!

Keep the "Talk it Up", others have also "Stated a Fact" and you insinuated violence, so where is this going?

[Rolls Ross]

Yawn! Keep going, im the only one with a concern obviously eh? Where is the name calling to the others with the same concerns, but thats right we are all Adults here!

Keep the "Talk it Up", others have also "Stated a Fact" and you insinuated violence, so where is this going?

As expected - you have nothing but a whinge.

Carry on then.

[r i p it up crew]

As expected - you have nothing but a whinge.

Carry on then.

And as expected another stupid reply to aggrevate him and make this go on even longer.. F**k guys just get over it..