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Posted 20 June 2006 - 06:18 AM

i've never seen it do anything impressive either. and yeah seems to get flogged.

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Posted 20 June 2006 - 06:55 AM

The scow at LMYC I always took to be the ex Fred Williams one, which I recall was a 38'er, not a 28'.

Sounds like the same boat? was the Drummoyne one orangey red?

There is another 'thing' on the shore at LM, not a US scow

The LM guys know the last owner, he would know if it went Sydeny way. I am assuming it is the same one
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TS, that SAm750 must be heavy I can't see why it wouldn't go ? Who is the designer? and are there other SAMs ?


The one in the yard in the Shire is definitely the old Williams one; Melges production A Scow from memory. I'm in contact with the old owner 'cause he may be helping get the WIndsurfer Junior class going at Belmont but I don't think the identity of the big scow is in doubt.

I thought there was a smaller scow on the lake owned by an ex F15 sailor, but I may be getting confused with a radical 28'ish trap and wing (?) boat which may be the Noel Davies boat. What does Noel's boat look like, Geeaahhh? It won the 50 miler years ago on scratch didn';t it??

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Posted 21 June 2006 - 02:23 AM

I guess it is a bit like a big 49er but it's been years since i've seen it afloat. The scow was renamed The Beast!! I believe before Sharro got hold of it.

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 04:01 AM

Another big fleet out this weekend of mixed lead bellies and sportboats on a 21 mile race. The winged shitter guided missile was first home with to 40 foot tubs next followed by "Gone Troppo" and cause of the distance back can only tell you who were the sportboats as there were heaps of heavy shitters ect in there, Stage 3 the E780 next then the T650 and about an hour back "Liquid Tactics" who had a shocker (the crew had there thoughts on tipouts girlfriend which was on board :lol: ) oh and the Sea Boagan allegedly fell over the side as well :lol: . Another beautifull day in the bay with of course a few RUMS as well. The barman should have some photos soon.

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 05:09 AM



Sorry about the Lead Belly in foreground but the T650 is in the background.
The photos are taken with my phone so they are pretty crap.

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 05:11 AM

Another big fleet out this weekend of mixed lead bellies and sportboats on a 21 mile race. The winged shitter guided missile was first home with to 40 foot tubs next followed by "Gone Troppo" and cause of the distance back can only tell you who were the sportboats as there were heaps of heavy shitters ect in there, Stage 3 the E780 next then the T650 and about an hour back "Liquid Tactics" who had a shocker (the crew had there thoughts on tipouts girlfriend which was on board :lol: ) oh and the Sea Boagan allegedly fell over the side as well :lol: . Another beautifull day in the bay with of course a few RUMS as well. The barman should have some photos soon.


Awesome day for it TS. Rock seemed to get a reasonable lead over the Green boat in the light stuff and Pitty looked a long way back again. I saw the Liquid Tacti boys finish, I was out there on a Young 11 for a booze crooze around the SAGS course, I thought we were going to have to lend our emergency nav lights to them to get back into the marina............looked a bit crowded with the extra passenger

Hopefully the Sea Bogan had his PFD on.........

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 09:26 AM

Rolls, as it has been explained before the 2.5 boat on a passage race cant compete with a winged shitter (even when they have slow sets and loose gybes) that boat isnt that much heavier and has the potential to be as quick as the other one once they get it sorted.

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 09:29 AM

pitty has been off the pace l8ly. shouldn't he be up with or infront of "the troppo" turkey?? since he is carbon and all that jazz?

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 11:48 AM

I think he should be, dosnt a rig that weighs less than half the weight of an alloy one supposed to help as well? The only thing i can put it down to is that he dosnt take RUMS out racing with him.

Once he learns this i think we will be in trouble! :lol:

I think he should be, dosnt a rig that weighs less than half the weight of an alloy one supposed to help as well? The only thing i can put it down to is that he dosnt take RUMS out racing with him.

Once he learns this i think we will be in trouble! :lol:

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 09:40 PM

TS,

Who is putting the trailer together for the green boat?

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 10:01 PM

No idea, glenys is sorting that out. Steery is doing the missing bit from the centre case this week so that should help with the pace a bit as well.

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Posted 29 June 2006 - 06:43 AM

No idea, glenys is sorting that out. Steery is doing the missing bit from the centre case this week so that should help with the pace a bit as well.

Don't know about Glenys's idea on the "fast boat training" could mean that the boat gets a bit more stress on it and might be a bit tired when you take it out on the race track

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Posted 29 June 2006 - 11:06 AM

Yes, will be interesting what comes of that as they can be fragile in the wrong hands.

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 10:54 AM

that could be really scary if you are the instructor on board. ae you going to do that ts that would be funny stuff you in your orange shirt and a boat full of learners teaching the how to drink rum and race at the same time.

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 11:03 AM

how did Elixer bend the masthead crane? im assuming they did it when they last raced? we got it at work atm

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 11:05 AM

big chute on and a lot of backstay tention and it just compressed

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 11:06 AM

what is a "chut" bogan???........ha ha just playing. be interested to see if he makes it to airlie

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 11:08 AM

now who looks like a dick ttb

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 11:10 AM

nice edit u fockhead.

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 12:05 PM

big chute on and a lot of backstay tention and it just compressed


On the Saturday of XXXX Gold Cup they had masthead bag and no back stay at the start - rig was inverted badly, Somsy was waiting for a "snap" so they had some extra work at All Yachts ...............

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 01:10 AM

to prevent a hi-jack of rosscos Phuket thread, posted here

the Victorian State Championship awards for Sportsboats - yes won it in our Winner Baago.....

that is intriguing news, a precedent of sorts.

1. how was the cutoff worked out ?

2. what sportsboats were you racing, completed all races ?

3. were you allowed dual citizenship to compete for the slower division, or shunted up? your call or organisers
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This is the first news of such a competition, and this is 'Sportsboat Central'.
We need to know of 'all models' in considering a setup that suits all states.

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 01:50 AM

to prevent a hi-jack of rosscos Phuket thread, posted here


the Victorian State Championship awards for Sportsboats - yes won it in our Winner Baago.....

that is intriguing news, a precedent of sorts.

1. how was the cutoff worked out ?

2. what sportsboats were you racing, completed all races ?

3. were you allowed dual citizenship to compete for the slower division, or shunted up? your call or organisers
?


This is the first news of such a competition, and this is 'Sportsboat Central'.
We need to know of 'all models' in considering a setup that suits all states.


This is Saiing Anarchy wiht a few members who own sportsboats - it ain't Sportsboat Central........

The whole event was a bit of a debarcle, each year they have the Victorian Sportsboat and trailable titles around February. Only problem is they try to have too many divisions, Heyesy didn't make it this year but has competed inthe previous couple of events. We never know what division we are going to be racing in until we get there as the committee reserve the right to chanage the CBH cut-offs. Cut off for Sportsboat division ended up being 770 and we ended up in a Sportsboat Division that had Clubmans, Ross 780's, Blazers, E780s etc. No real participation from anything faster, in fact we got line honours in the majority of races, the E780 got us once in the light (it is an old boat Too Hot to Trot I think it was, I have raced a lot since Feb).

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 02:21 AM

So not a good precedent, your'e right TCF .770 'class split' won't cut it, in a national sense.
Any 'current' examples' need to be considered, or 'sanity checked' tho.

'SB Central'? this is actually "Sportsboat Anarchy", much more specific than 'Sailing An..' As far as 'news' and communication is concerned YES it IS, unrivalled. It's where things are aired and exposed.

The largest AUS sportsboat class endorsed 'Sportsboat Anarchy' as their MSG board.

The National committee 'news' was broken here, even the "Vic Sportsboat Title', the aus Phuket, the 79er, the canters, the W.A. t750's. The NZ Shaws and Dibleys are sent all over the world thru news here, and a thouand other headlines, it may not be considered majorly of interest to the wider trailer sailer crews.

However if you say it's not !!
you are the current largest-fleet 'Sportsboat Champion'. 'king of the castle'. As such your mandate must be taken into account regarding "things SB", in much the same way Alinghi's Ernesto Berterelli won the Americas Cup, and gained the prerogative to change/choose everything about AC racing and AC class rules?

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 11:24 AM

However if you say it's not !!
you are the current largest-fleet 'Sportsboat Champion'. 'king of the castle' As such your mandate must be taken into account regarding "things SB", in much the same way Alinghi's Ernesto Berterelli won the Americas Cup, and gained the prerogative to change/choose everything about AC racing and AC class rules?


Here we go again ladies and gentleman, he hasn't proved to everyone for a while how much of a tosser he really is, sad thing is he believes the crap he writes.

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 11:46 AM


However if you say it's not !!
you are the current largest-fleet 'Sportsboat Champion'. 'king of the castle' As such your mandate must be taken into account regarding "things SB", in much the same way Alinghi's Ernesto Berterelli won the Americas Cup, and gained the prerogative to change/choose everything about AC racing and AC class rules?


Here we go again ladies and gentleman, he hasn't proved to everyone for a while how much of a tosser he really is, sad thing is he believes the crap he writes.



Rolls, I'd have to agree with GS to a point on this, without SBA I wouldn't know what was going on in the Aust Sportsboat scene. SBA is a hugely valuable resourse for us less outwardly mobile SB lovers, and for that I'm grateful to all and sundry that keep this joint and our Class alive.

To put a different spin on things, the HcW 24-hour will have one of the largest fleets of Sportsboats in Oz later this year, together in one place. This would not happen without SBA.

More often than anywhere else we find out who did what to who, faster than any other medium here in Oz, so for that it is Sportsboat Central.

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 12:48 PM

On a similar note it reported the VOR faster than Volvo.

RR, What medium did you just post you last comment via ? Sports Boat Anarchy !. Yessiree Bob, you are endorsing it with your time and input,

Trouble is the transparency it allows does not help your TY pals quest to 'lord over' AUS trailable racing, or continue a 'handicap hi-jack' of events by governing the CBH? transparency sucks 'eh, on the other hand you could keep trying to cast doubt on those who threaten the 'status quo'

RR , a belated welcome to Sports Boat Anarchy, go to the Front page and count the world's MAJOR sail-racing advertisers that disagree with you that this is not 'CENTRAL', world leader in it's genre.

When are you gonna address the reality and step up to the SPORTSBOAT plate, and stop casting the shadow of your cawardine Carbon mast over the Carbon-fired pushpit barbeques of the Trailer Sailer fleet ? or charter boats.

You are arguably over 0.800, beat SBs' and participate and administrate performance trailables, and can't stay away from sportsboat central here.

Funny thing is, even when you try to stay the 'Big Fish in a very slowsmall Pond" of trailer sailing, they deem you A SPORTSBOAT and crown you the Champion Sportsboat GONG ! not getting the message ?? They reckon you are too quick-hitech. hint hint

Are you in denial about this as well as Anarchy ? Blinkers ??
You're a good boat and sailor, with more resources than most. stop beatin' up on Plonkers and "race the racers" like yourself !

step up to Sportsboat, stop fencesitting? co'mon, you've got one foot over the line. I'll be your friend ?
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 03:12 AM

Can't believe how much dribble you have in reserve.

Only reason Vic put us inthe sportsboat divsion is becasue no Sportsboats turned up!!!!!!!!!

You really miss the fact htat I participate in this "chat forum" to establish what some of the representatives of the sportsboats fraternity are thinking so that when I am asked by my " TY pals quest to 'lord over' AUS trailable racing, or continue a 'handicap hi-jack' of events by governing the CBH? transparency sucks 'eh, on the other hand you could keep trying to cast doubt on those who threaten the 'status quo'"
I can offer some feedback.

You have an inherrent lack of knowledge in the efforts being made to re-establish a "trailable/sportsboat scene" in Australia and you offer no real value to "getting things happening". Wiht so much to say (and onviously plenty of time on your hands" you should be pushing Yachting NSW for a sportsboat divsion if you can't co-operate with the local TYA.

People like you just piss off those who are getting off their arses and "getting on with building interest" and i the end they will just say "Fuck YOU", you are such an expert do it your fucking self. But you won't.

Ross 780's, Clubman's, Beales etc never have and never will be defined as a Sportsboat. Get that into your thick skull.

In summary, you have lot's of knowlege, are extremely confident at using Google and other search engeines but at the end of the day you are a fuckwit that needs to get a life.

GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 03:45 AM

Hear Hear!

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 10:42 AM

[quote name='Rolls Ross' date='Jul 6 2006, 01:12 PM' post='793423']
Can't believe how much dribble you have in reserve.

How about contradictions; and assumptions of me, let alone to resorting to abuse?
Can't this be discussed in a measured,logical and cordial fashion.
You wonder why we don't want to meet and fight with TY types? This is why (GrumpyOldMen or merely abusive?)


"Ross 780's, Clubman's, Beales etc never have and never will be defined as a Sportsboat. Get that into your thick skull."
Only reason Vic put us inthe sportsboat divsion is becasue no Sportsboats turned up!!!!!!!!!
Well they defined you that time, you have the trophy,
btw you said an e780 turned up.


This, with the nsw event numbers and lack of publicity, is only supporting argument that TYa's are not very good, or successful at overseeing sportsboat racing.

You really miss the fact htat I participate in this "chat forum" to establish what some of the representatives of the sportsboats fraternity are thinking so that when I am asked by my " TY pals quest to 'lord over' AUS trailable racing, or continue a 'handicap hi-jack' of events by governing the CBH? transparency sucks 'eh, on the other hand you could keep trying to cast doubt on those who threaten the 'status quo'"
I can offer some feedback.
the TY pals who are attempting the 'national' hi-jack and intend to run the national show? I agree you are collating feedback for sure, a plant?

People like you just piss off those who are getting off their arses and "getting on with building interest" and i the end they will just say "Fuck YOU", you are such an expert do it your fucking self. But you won't.
In summary, you have lot's of knowlege, are extremely confident at using Google and other search engeines but at the end of the day you are a fuckwit that needs to get a life.
GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!

you pre-empted yourself, you've 'just said' F.. GS twice, self fulfilling prophecy. I fumble with google and use no other search engine, but persevere. you do not know me.

You have an inherrent lack of knowledge in the efforts being made to re-establish a "trailable/sportsboat scene" in Australia and you offer no real value to "getting things happening". Wiht so much to say (and onviously plenty of time on your hands" you should be pushing Yachting NSW for a sportsboat divsion if you can't co-operate with the local TYA.
Rubbish, I have plenty, why I broke the news here, and will continue to do so, on a organisation which has unfortunately not made press releases, or made itself known to those outside of the 'inside running', it may need a PR focus. Why is TS asking questions here, you could have 'let him in' on the 'National' secret.

Also what I "should be doing" , and what I am actually doing are two 'not dissimilar' methods of arriving at the same result,
Highlighting a need for trailables that do not fit, and won't be able to compete in the attempted TY 'model' i.e canters, non or small cabin, winged and the <20'er with lighter ballast etc , lucky for them nswTY failed at getting it through at the opening of the first Nat meeting, when they tried to impose it, Others there were open to the idea that there was more to the AUS trailable scene.

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 11:40 AM

Here we go again, don't you just love a good slug fest :D :D

In the blue corner, the bloke without a boat but an opinion on everything :blink:

In the red corner, the Vic sportsboat champion sailing a Winnebago :rolleyes:

Clean Fight Guys

Ding Ding Ding

Round 2

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 11:50 AM

Where is the round 1 girl?

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 11:53 AM

I thought you were looking at her chest when she was talking to you!

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 12:01 PM

I only had a bad photo of round 1 girl as you couldnt see her card so didnt think you lot would want to see it! :D :P

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 12:53 PM

skint , can you expand on your theory that boat ownership equals knowledge or cred? a new Bene owner just for starters ?

There is a parellel angle that sailing other peoples boats indicates greater intelligence than owning, that one implies that you'd have to be an f 'idiot' to choose to be the one paying the bills?

neither means shit really.
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the 'bloke' has had plenty of boats since 1971, constantly as helm, and at more than competitve level.

he will have them again, particularly when it is apparent what is allowed to race.

Even a pure racer like a e22 or JS has more attraction than a floating dunny to some racers, and may be preferable to a compromised Sportsboat/caravan hybrid.

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 01:10 PM

the 'bloke' has had plenty of boats since 1971, constantly as helm, and at more than competitve level.

he will have them again, particularly when it is apparent what is allowed to compete.

Even a pure racer like a e22 or JS has more attraction than a floating dunny to some racers.

skint , What is your theory on boat ownership equalling knowledge or cred? a new Bene owner just for starters ?



There are two Ross780's for sail on Boatpoint :D

Your a bugger you edited your post again as I hit reply :blink:

My theories?

I certainly dont judge peoples knowledge based on boat ownership however it is fun to pull your chain occasionally ;) , I think that we would both agree that the main thing is to see people sailing, as for the type of boat well this is not necessarily indicitaive of either knowledge or financial status.

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 01:13 PM

skint , can you expand on your theory that boat ownership equals knowledge or cred? a new Bene owner just for starters ?

There is a parellel angle that sailing other peoples boats indicates greater intelligence than owning, that one implies that you'd have to be an 'dumbest on deck' to opt tob e the one paying the bills?

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the 'bloke' has had plenty of boats since 1971, constantly as helm, and at more than competitve level.

he will have them again, particularly when it is apparent what is allowed to compete.

Even a pure racer like a e22 or JS has more attraction than a floating dunny to some racers.



Geez, you edit quicker than I can think!!

I like your parallel, surely getting someone else to pay the bills hints at major smarts on behalf of that person.

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 01:31 PM

I'm following you skint !, one further step of logic and we can weigh up a bods 'dumbo rating' on whether they Crew or Own, and diss it accordingly :)

I'll put it to the Ed, we can prefix their member number with an O or a C, lol

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Posted 07 July 2006 - 12:52 AM

So if we had rules on stability and boundaries to build Trailer Sailors within originally and people buillt outside those rules, how is it unfair to them? From the beginning they knew the restrictions?

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Posted 07 July 2006 - 11:32 PM

TT, I doubt any of the < sixes would pass stability on TY specs; and further than that pass TYspec+cat5.

Out of the 7 mentioned <sixes, probably only one (yours) meets the TY accom. scantlings. 1 mtrģ within 100mm of the fin.

Arguably 5 or 6 , of the 7 , if not ALL , can be ruled OUT, considered non-comply on a variety of clauses.

I reckon you guys have an interest in a more OPEN eligibility.

and arguably should let the Qld rep know that (McCall), also there are more than a few larger Qld boats affected.
In fact the most Opens (affected) , number wise.
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Posted 08 July 2006 - 02:01 AM

Must be something in the water up here hey? :)

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Posted 30 July 2006 - 07:49 AM

How did you go today TT, 0 - 5 knots was it? Sounds like fun. You guys must have run out of fluids pretty quickly.

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Posted 31 July 2006 - 09:22 AM

Hey slapper seen the new e780 at RQ someone else to give you a bit of a hurry up . It has a black stick in it to must be quick all ally rig. Look's the same as Beercan's boat with the 7's deck on it. :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

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Posted 31 July 2006 - 11:02 AM

From what i have heard its the old "Going Wild" blue racing cabin one (schofields original one). Any one know who has it up here? That will make 5 E 780's now at the club, some good racing comming up i think! I will check it out tomorow when seeing if the Troppo has been finished (hope so, its getting closer to airlie)

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Posted 31 July 2006 - 02:38 PM

turks IF it's a Schofield oldy, check out the bulb

btw, the Escape's bulb is specced at the same as the Schofields. (375-400)

It's OA weight and rig is the main diffs.

also the e7 cabs weren't first ??

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Posted 01 August 2006 - 12:06 AM

Just had a look at the new blue one up here, looks like the old going wild and looking at the bulb it looks the same size and shape as the troppo one which is the same looking thing as the others up here. Never weighed it so couldnt tell you for sure. If my bathroom scales went that high i could sit the keel on them and let you know, but we are all light weights here. Its got a black mast, but its ally so will be a quick one on the trends set at the club. :lol:

Sthelina cup, if they all come out we can have a class prise, beauty.

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Posted 01 August 2006 - 05:31 AM

Also saw the blue boat down at the RQ today. It has previously been known as "Havin a Win". It was at Southport for a while not being used very much. I guess the owner has had enough an decieded to flick it.

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Posted 02 September 2006 - 09:37 AM

Brisbane's Riverfire, you gotta love living in the best place on earth. :) :D :P

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Posted 02 September 2006 - 11:10 AM

Barman were you on the water? Saw it from manly hill and the F111's were great again, looked low, lower than the top of the storey bridge.

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Posted 02 September 2006 - 11:29 AM

Just had a look at the new blue one up here, looks like the old going wild and looking at the bulb it looks the same size and shape as the troppo one which is the same looking thing as the others up here. Never weighed it so couldnt tell you for sure. If my bathroom scales went that high i could sit the keel on them and let you know, but we are all light weights here. Its got a black mast, but its ally so will be a quick one on the trends set at the club. :lol:

Sthelina cup, if they all come out we can have a class prise, beauty.


slapper, the bulb photos are posted here, the original Scho's are clearly different, the fin leading edge is marginally ahead of the bulb, that's the key 'giveaway' , apart from the size.

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Posted 02 September 2006 - 12:17 PM

But which one Should be quicker?

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Posted 02 September 2006 - 05:03 PM

as far as weight goes , lightest plus a stacked rail but youv'e already got that figgered :)

as far as design goes, anything that has Al's wand waved over it has won in aus SB, that is the anecdotal evidence from the arm's race.

troppos is a Stealth bulb mate, 1 boat before the stealths.

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Posted 16 September 2006 - 07:09 AM

Well as far as Brisbane Etchell sailors go, "Go and shove it up your f'in arse" A total bunch of absolute dickheads. Search the world for the slowest boat. Get F*!ked the lot of yas.

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Posted 16 September 2006 - 08:04 AM

Please tell more

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Posted 16 September 2006 - 01:22 PM

Well as far as Brisbane Etchell sailors go, "Go and shove it up your f'in arse" A total bunch of absolute dickheads. Search the world for the slowest boat. Get F*!ked the lot of yas.



Did you go etchell sailing today fella?

Sounds like you had a good day! :lol:

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Posted 16 September 2006 - 01:44 PM

get with the (e7) program BE

trash talk 'em :lol:

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happily B can go elliott sailing and not on the dayboats again ?

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Posted 16 September 2006 - 04:54 PM

but theres no anonomaly in the wording/text is there.

It's the designs problem if it neither rights or has bouyancy. I don't think this has changed or is news?

The problem is the physical testing itself, or proof of.

OF COURSE it would be great if a simple method like you describe would work, but it's too unscientific for a designer to risk a coroner over,
Make it a requirement on your NOR, must have bouyancy unless ........dadadah...dadadah.............., entrants signs off on this claiming compliance of his boat and absolves you and your org of ALL responsibility.

Liabilty is obviously the REAL problem. Get a lawyer to write up your disclaimer-owner relieves organiser of fault statement.
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Do you think that would be ok?

Imagine a non complied boat has to rescue fellow sailors and then gets into trouble..

Non complied boat needs outside assistance due to its non compliance....do the organisers leave them be and rescue a complied boat first or only?

I would think it would create a situation were racers/builders will have a go at a design to win knowing it is dangerous.

Skippers cant sign off their duty-of-care for an insured item re boat or crew..any lawyers can chip in



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Posted 16 September 2006 - 06:05 PM

take it in the whole context of preceding post(s) back in Mar, firstly they complied with YA, the suggestion was EXTRA rules/compliance, which was total BS

My point was that the skippers take the 'duty of care' and proof of compliance, not the race's organiser, which was being suggested.

It's over , the incessant panicing stopped when the pro help arrived to do the race documentation (thank god & phil)

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Posted 16 September 2006 - 06:16 PM

cheers
re the cento Tboat v Rado results see the post we all did different courses

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Posted 16 September 2006 - 10:02 PM

Went out on the I14 no wind couldn't even make start race called off E22 fleet couldn't even wait 30sec for us to throw tow rope after paddling hard to get to them.. A certain few turned around and laughed. It just riles me up, we are all sailers and getting stuck out there is not my idea of fun. Just pissed off is all, felt better after Bronco's kicked arse. :P

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Posted 16 September 2006 - 10:51 PM

hey barman if we had controll of the tow boat we would of waited for you but when you are at the end of the line you have nothing.

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Posted 16 September 2006 - 11:26 PM

hey barman if we had controll of the tow boat we would of waited for you but when you are at the end of the line you have nothing.

Not shitty at you just the rest of the F/wits. :angry:

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Posted 17 September 2006 - 05:36 AM

The E22 sailors are better than everyone else, thats why they dont have to wear life jackets, i thought you knew?

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Posted 17 September 2006 - 05:54 AM

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neither would you if you were CAT6/7

should fix that first ?
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Posted 17 September 2006 - 09:26 AM

eggshells have their own rules ............. daaaahhh

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trust tokyo.....

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Posted 17 September 2006 - 11:13 PM

thats why they dont have to wear life jackets


I think thats beacuse they are not trailer boats ?

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 12:54 AM

No wind!!! Hah Pittwater was absolutely magnificent yesterday.

The cats were good too - someone on an A class (recent one with Bismark bow) out on the wire - windward hull just out - slicing through.

There was even just enough wind to get around the Emma mark (provided you watched it carefully) - 10 to 15 everywhere else on the water.

Bayview ramp was a bit clogged with all the brand new Boat Show stinkers splashing for the first time.

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 04:43 AM

Thats Mark Johnson sailing his A class. Here he is at Airlie Beach on Charley, 2nd from right....

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 05:46 AM

I think thats beacuse they are not trailer boats ?


No, CATS safeties apply equally (dinghies an exception)
Its an RQYS Brissy double standard

e22 are cat7
SB's are cat5 (at RQ, MB)
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(and unnecessarily so, in a club arvo race on protected waters, in excess of YA recomendations)

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 07:43 AM

They are cat 7 but the dinghys have to wear pfd's but E22's dont and they dont have life lines. I cant work it out either?

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 10:37 AM

hey ts its a class rule

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 10:54 AM

class rule...no class rule, it all seems a bit unbalanced considering dinghy's must wear them........shouldn't etchels wear them since they have no life lines and shithouse nonskid?

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 11:52 AM

Class rules dont overthrow safety rules as i believe it. Dont the E22's in Vic now have to wear them? The 16 foot skiffs never wore them for years and had to change, why dont the etchells? Arnt they classed as off the beach?

Would have looked it up but the bloody kids have relocated my blue book on me and i cant find it, little shits!

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 12:11 PM

class rule...no class rule, it all seems a bit unbalanced considering dinghy's must wear them........shouldn't etchels wear them since they have no life lines and shithouse nonskid?




You forgot AND SINK?

There is no excuse for not wearing a PFD if that is what is required to participate in other Divisions or Classes on the same stretch of water.

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 11:21 PM

Gee look what I started! Thay make good esky's and fall over onland in a small puff of wind. Useless F-in things :angry:

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 02:12 AM

Gee look what I started! Thay make good esky's and fall over onland in a small puff of wind. Useless F-in things :angry:

The club should be making PFD's a requirement for the Egg shells. No reason not to, they do in Vic and 11 metre One Designs have the same requirement - in addition at Sandringham, 11 metres are lumped in with SB's and are not permitte to race in more than 25 knots.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 02:31 AM

The club should be making PFD's a requirement for the Egg shells. No reason not to, they do in Vic and 11 metre One Designs have the same requirement - in addition at Sandringham, 11 metres are lumped in with SB's and are not permitte to race in more than 25 knots.


11M0Ds as sports boats :lol: :lol: :lol: Pity that 'cause sailing only starts to get really fun at 25Kts.

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 10:44 AM

11M0Ds as sports boats :lol: :lol: :lol: Pity that 'cause sailing only starts to get really fun at 25Kts.


It is not classifying them as a SB simply labelled as K class - meaning that without lifelines they will have race abandoned at over 25 knots

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 10:49 AM

The club should be making PFD's a requirement for the Egg shells. No reason not to, they do in Vic and 11 metre One Designs have the same requirement - in addition at Sandringham, 11 metres are lumped in with SB's and are not permitte to race in more than 25 knots.


Not quite right, has a lot to do with both wind strngth, direction and sea state.
Once started races are never cancelled unless it applies to entire first division fleet, even second division where the really hot Sportsboats seem to sail on Port Phillip these days :lol:

BTW 11: Metres actally float when swamped and have a limit of positive stability at 104.

How does the Ross rate in this regard? :D

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Posted 25 September 2006 - 10:49 AM

Not quite right, has a lot to do with both wind strngth, direction and sea state.
Once started races are never cancelled unless it applies to entire first division fleet, even second division where the really hot Sportsboats seem to sail on Port Phillip these days :lol:

BTW 11: Metres actally float when swamped and have a limit of positive stability at 104.

How does the Ross rate in this regard? :D


True, only if breeze is over 25 knots before the start and sea state deemed not safe for K class. I am not criticising 11 metres, love the boats, just making a point about PFD's.

How does the Ross rate? Keel or or down rossco? No dramas, in fact the club moved us out of k class.

the egg shells are no different to anyone else, Si's here state that PFD's are required I believe. They just don't wear them.

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Posted 25 September 2006 - 12:07 PM

True, only if breeze is over 25 knots before the start and sea state deemed not safe for K class. I am not criticising 11 metres, love the boats, just making a point about PFD's.

How does the Ross rate? Keel or or down rossco? No dramas, in fact the club moved us out of k class.

the egg shells are no different to anyone else, Si's here state that PFD's are required I believe. They just don't wear them.


Agree with your sentiments regarding PFDs', given most of us came from dinghys I for one don't see the big deal.
Etchells IMHO have always done their own thing, something about Cat 7 and class rules and pumping water out of the boat all around the course.

But then again you could ask the guy who fell off his during a major regatta off Brighton a few years ago, heart attack was the official version (as it always seems to be)

For me it is not the classes but the clubs, most seem to be weak when it comes to this.
Any club when writing (or accepting) a NOR for a regatta can insist on any current safety requirement (within reason) and that is the end of it.

BTW a club can also easily use a NOR to prevent the use of movable ballast and stored power if it feels so inclined.

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Posted 29 September 2006 - 06:39 AM

Just saw an E7 getting rigged up out side RQ in the public ramp carpark, boat called "Twister", anyone know anything? If now a local boat that will make 6 from the local area!

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Posted 29 September 2006 - 06:58 AM

Just saw an E7 getting rigged up out side RQ in the public ramp carpark, boat called "Twister", anyone know anything? If now a local boat that will make 6 from the local area!


Yeah she's a local for you now. Sold out of Sydney a few weeks ago - surprised its taken so long to put in an appearance.

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Posted 29 September 2006 - 08:06 AM

The question is, is he doing the cup, do we know who owns it, I just bought one meself and if I can go out and knock him off in standard trim well I'll think meself pretty good. Well not really, but that will be easy to try and convince the other E7 owners to get out there if theres one more boat.So "LETS GO SAILING" yeehaar!!!!!! :) :) :)

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 03:59 AM

The question is, is he doing the cup, do we know who owns it, I just bought one meself and if I can go out and knock him off in standard trim well I'll think meself pretty good. Well not really, but that will be easy to try and convince the other E7 owners to get out there if theres one more boat.So "LETS GO SAILING" yeehaar!!!!!! :) :) :)


Where does the boat live? Barman you have the potential here of class racing the way these 7's keep popping up

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 04:04 AM

It was owned but not raced much in Sydney, I chartered it for Geelong last year. Needs a bit of work and new sails but we did a lot to it before Geelong. First thing I would do is get a new mast step as the one it has is rooted, then a complete new suit of sails.

If you have 6 boats that great, maybe you can come down for the Audi regatta !!

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 04:29 AM

It was owned but not raced much in Sydney, I chartered it for Geelong last year. Needs a bit of work and new sails but we did a lot to it before Geelong. First thing I would do is get a new mast step as the one it has is rooted, then a complete new suit of sails.

If you have 6 boats that great, maybe you can come down for the Audi regatta !!

I've got bucklys chance of going to any major regattas down there, lack of funds will do it to you, maybe next year.

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 08:03 AM

Well barman, what a beauty eh? First race today and she is a go'er! You have to get it going as well with 3 sails on the weekend hey? The wags fleet didnt know what hit em. And saw a bloody big whale near hope banks mark as well, never seen a whale in the bay before!

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 08:20 AM

You little ripper!! we just had a ball today, smoked the other E7 out there and had a win. Looking forward to the cup. Maybee the whales will hang around for the weekend, will be interesting trying to dodge them with a hundred boat fleet. I love sailing :) :) :)

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 08:42 AM

hey barman , boat looks sweet out on the water. the other e7 got pulled outta the water with the etchell crane :blink: why not ramp launch??? i was the front dude on the canter waving at you guys cruising to the finish.

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 09:07 AM

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 09:13 AM

Wait till after this weekend Steve to see if you still enjoy it

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 09:27 AM

always, and always something to laugh at (or about) on the pillow mobile.

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 11:05 AM

You little ripper!! we just had a ball today, smoked the other E7 out there and had a win. Looking forward to the cup. Maybee the whales will hang around for the weekend, will be interesting trying to dodge them with a hundred boat fleet. I love sailing :) :) :)


Did you have a win at WAGS? Lucky TS wasn't out there on the green boat or we would be hearing all about the start time they gave you I guess (only joking).

Good to see you gettting her out on the water, you must really be looking forward to the SHC this weekend, should be a blast!

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 11:48 PM

hey barman , boat looks sweet out on the water. the other e7 got pulled outta the water with the etchell crane :blink: why not ramp launch??? i was the front dude on the canter waving at you guys cruising to the finish.

Yeah we saw the boat out there, didn't know it was you though, looked a little overpowered, will it be up to speed for the weekend? Can it get up to speed?? Still looks ugly on the water :lol: :lol:

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 12:25 AM

yeah its not pretty. dunno if it will be out there yet...... but fuk does it go on a two sail reach..fark 18-20's. hard to tell how it goes upwind cause we had nothing to compare against. i guess we will find out if it is going on saturday morning!

GO THA TROPPO!! :D

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 11:55 AM

Did you have a win at WAGS? Lucky TS wasn't out there on the green boat or we would be hearing all about the start time they gave you I guess (only joking).

Good to see you gettting her out on the water, you must really be looking forward to the SHC this weekend, should be a blast!



Was out there with the Barman but, great to be on a smaller boat again, they feel so much more lively than its big brother, i want a smaller one again. 2.27 i think was the start time and Troppo normally goes of at i think 2.45, you numbers guys can work it out as i have know idea how it works.

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 09:19 PM

Was out there with the Barman but, great to be on a smaller boat again, they feel so much more lively than its big brother, i want a smaller one again. 2.27 i think was the start time and Troppo normally goes of at i think 2.45, you numbers guys can work it out as i have know idea how it works.

they were generous at 2.27 - that is the same as the Winner Baago but a win is a win. Boat looks great and the owner is keen with a maiden win! Go Team.

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 03:36 AM

they were generous at 2.27 - that is the same as the Winner Baago but a win is a win. Boat looks great and the owner is keen with a maiden win! Go Team.

Generous, my Arse I had the family on board, Im stuffed for the rest of the year tho!

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 03:42 AM

Generous, my Arse I had the family on board, Im stuffed for the rest of the year tho!


Nice bite! You know the rules, you only ever get to win one WAGS per year. You must have had a nice planing reach?

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 03:43 AM

Nice bite! You know the rules, you only ever get to win one WAGS per year. You must have had a nice planing reach?

It went allright, better with bag up, see tomorrow




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