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#1 Heaven can wait

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 01:16 PM

We've had a go at the Youngs, now it's the E's turn, how many 780's in all forms were built, must be a few, and where are they?

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 01:49 PM

not playing unless you stick to the e780's, and the one close variant Stealth. 7.8

p.s. Young 7.8 list is not finished !!!

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 09:17 PM

Another girl in tas.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 12:40 PM

O.k . I'm very interested in this topic as I would like to buy 1 in the next yr or so
Started the data base please add to it and feel free to correct me on any of my miss information.

cheers G.U

780 race
1. Another girl - Tas E7 deck
2. Hot 2 Trot - Vic E7 deck
3. Splat - Vic E7 deck
4. Goin Wild -? E7 deck
5. Stage 3
6. Berwick - NZL cedar ( pre production 1990)
780 racer / cruiser
1. Gone Troppo - QLD 780 cruiser deck
2. Trpical Son / Out of Exile- QLD 780 cruiser deck
3. just sold from Hastings - has pinstripes
4. Fly'n By - ?
5. Firecracker - SA
6. Ziggy/Speed Turtle
7. Purple Haze


780 ESCApe
1. Escapade - SA


ESPX
1. X2
2. Game over



need catagorising



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Posted 15 March 2006 - 12:45 PM

O.k . I'm very interested in this topic as I would like to buy 1 in the next yr or so
Started the data base please add to it and feel free to correct me on any of my miss information.

cheers G.U

780 race
Another girl - Tas E7 deck
Hot 2 Trot - Vic E7 deck
Splat - Vic E7 deck

780 racer / cruiser
Gone Troppo - QLD 780 cruiser deck
Trpical Son - QLD 780 cruiser deck



780 ESCApe
Speed Turtle - Escape QLD

ESPX
X2


need catagorising
Escapade - SA ?
Firecracker - SA ?
stage 3


Firecracker if it is the same one is an Old Version MK I ex NZ model

There was also Fly-n-by from memory too, still got the Aust Sailing review for it.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 12:50 PM

need to catagorize NSW build,.......... or 'Cawardine Qld'
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Speed Turtle I don't think is an Escape, was owned by Speed who now has the t650, details are here on sb anarchy.

'Out of Exile' is a E780c by Cawardine Qld (*c designation is full size cab), note I think the EsCape cabin may be longer again.

Carbon Weapon was SailScenes ESPX demonstrator , not sure what it was renamed to, are there are two espx's in S.A. ? incl the one that won Geelong in Jan. "GAME OVER",
espx X2 is sold from airlie, where to ?

turks Fly'nBy is at MHYC Syd, what about 'Gone Troppo' is she carbon ?

Escapade S.A. - SHAW Contracting Tas. ?

Ziggurat was an Mackay/Airlie Beach e780 at '99 Hammo

also the lightweight special 'Cruise Missile' is said to be out of the mould?

ARE the E770's similar in hull shape / same mould ????? if so include as a subset, they race side by side with 780's Believe it ? see Pic
e770 Hang On - e780 Out of Exile - a lapping boat
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Posted 15 March 2006 - 12:51 PM

Flyn By, who knowes where. Cruiser

Ziggy, Qld somewhere. Cruiser

Stage 3, carbon hull/rig, RQ Brisbane. Half and half cruiser/E7deck

2 for sale in trade a boat. One E7 deck other ?

Goin Wild, Turned up in Qld for a nationals years ago. E7 deck

Game over, ESPX

Tropical son was renamed "Out of Exile" and is down south somewhere.

Thats all i can think of.

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 12:33 AM

when talking about Ziggurat ,when you say cruiser do you mean built by Al, similar to troppo? Not sure if Al built the hull on Ziggy but at the very least he put the deck on. I think modern concept may have built the hull. Al at very least did the rigging and built the trailer. I sailed on her in a regatta in mooloolaba when she was just launched (nationals, states? cant remember ,was a long time ago). was the only time i have ever fallen overboard. dropping the big assy on the foredeck (after stuff up) and someone in the cockpit puts the jammer on the tackline mid drop. before I knew it i was inthe water. I heard she ran aground badly somwhere around airlie not long after. she definately used to have Als pivoting sprit assembly as well as his balanced transom hung rudder arrangment, and the sliding trailer.

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 12:38 AM

oh forgot to add, 770s definately not out of same mould as 780s. i believe that 770s were conceived to be the lines of the 7 just bigger. originally at least 770 were not equipped with masthead assy. The rigger who designed the rig (Steve Kiely or something?) didn't believe in masthead assys at the time.

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 12:56 AM

when talking about Ziggurat ,when you say cruiser do you mean built by Al, similar to troppo? Not sure if Al built the hull on Ziggy but at the very least he put the deck on. I think modern concept may have built the hull. Al at very least did the rigging and built the trailer. I sailed on her in a regatta in mooloolaba when she was just launched (nationals, states? cant remember ,was a long time ago). was the only time i have ever fallen overboard. dropping the big assy on the foredeck (after stuff up) and someone in the cockpit puts the jammer on the tackline mid drop. before I knew it i was inthe water. I heard she ran aground badly somwhere around airlie not long after. she definately used to have Als pivoting sprit assembly as well as his balanced transom hung rudder arrangment, and the sliding trailer.



By cruiser we mean ,

Larger of the 2 cabin types. Racer version was constructed with the E 7 deck and extended cockpit, Cruiser has larger cabin in both length and headroom. then there is the Escape which has more volume again.

G.U

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 01:05 AM

what was the name of the red boat that darren and nicky from modern concept had? it had a retractable non rotating sprit was it one of the names mentioned above?

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 01:30 AM

Couple of shots of Out Of Exile and Escapade

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 02:03 AM

oh forgot to add, 770s definately not out of same mould as 780s. i believe that 770s were conceived to be the lines of the 7 just bigger. originally at least 770 were not equipped with masthead assy. The rigger who designed the rig (Steve Kiely or something?) didn't believe in masthead assys at the time.


AFAIK the 770 comes out of same mould as the e7 and the lines carried through off the transom another 700mm. The deck mould is extended down the free board by around 150mm to give more f/b. Most of these 770's were badly faired at this hull/deck joint and covered by a stripe.

Any one know any different?

All the early boats lost their rigs due to single spreader and too thin wall below spreaders. All new masts had to be sleeved below spreader.

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 02:17 AM

Thats right the modern concepts boat was Blown Away (red).

Gs, Cruise Missile is "So What" now and only the deck is the same as troppo, Ziggurat turned to Ziggy then Sped Turtle and not sure what now.

By the look of it out of exile (sistership to Troppo) has a carbon rig now? That means Gone Troppo would be the only one with out a carbon rig now. And GS Troppo is a glass boat as well so handicappers please take note (glass hull/deck, alloy rig, cruising fitout) = slower than carbon jobbies. :lol:

Also the 770 should be know where near the 780's pace, ever.

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 02:20 AM

OOE has a gold tip mast safe to say the rig may have had a paint job no?

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 02:51 AM

FYI . This is the current list of Elliott 7s.
22 of these boats have competed in at least one of the Grand Prix events this Summer.

I like the sound of the ESPX, if there was a good fleet to race against I would definitely think about one of these. In the mean time having a shit load of fun on the Elliott 7 even though we got dusted by the T8s last weekend.





12 Need for Speed
13 Geriatric Express
14 Hot Chilli
15 Va Va Voom
22 No Regrets
23 Smoothas
25 Livewire
27 Over the Edge
28 Danger Zone
29 Full Frontal
30 Comfortably Numb
32 Azzura
33 Seventh Wave
34 Untouchable
35 Pigs Can Fly
37 Tiger
38 Elusive
39 Chaos Theory
40 Tickled Pink
41 Nutkin
42 Passing Wind
43 Bull Sails?
44 Escapade
45 Pretty Woman
46 Omen
47 Twister
48 Fear This
49 The Flying Doctor
50 Serious Fun
51 Childs Play
52 Aeolus
53 Excellerate
54 Huntress
55 Hippy Hippy Shake
56 Tinta Madeira
57 Walter Turnbull
58 GnT
59 Humungus
60 Evergreen
62 Casper
63 Wildfire(gone o/s)
64 Ice Bucket
70 Go Go Mango
71 Sailing Scene Demo

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 06:20 AM

There are 2 E780's in the south island in NZ, Berwick and Phantom, both have higher freeboard than normal I think.

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 11:42 AM

Reckon Turkey's got to be happy with this.

From a previous life?

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 11:53 AM

he would but he would not be fond of the choice of ..................

hats :lol: :lol: :D :P Posted Image

wrong type, wrong shape, wrong material, inferior head gripping characteristics, no 'bush fridge' capability and may look cool and smart, match another crew members thus sending the wrong msg to the handicappers

he will stick with his favourite which generally worth a minute or two handicap on appearance alone.
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Posted 16 March 2006 - 12:05 PM

Arguably Australia's best E780 of that era, with guess who Steering, and this is only half of the photo.

Nice.

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 12:05 PM

I'm pretty sure that day is the same one off mooloolaba as the photo on the front of australian yachting or some other publication. the fella with the nifty hat also has a nifty shirt and pants combo. he was famous for wearing this sort of kit. what does a tasar sailor from ballina know about sailing fashion ay? rest assured this crew was a pack of north coast hippies of the highest order (with i think 1 or 2 qld ring ins). great days, lots of fun in the T.Y scene.

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 12:07 PM

Aint she a beauty. Have got a huge blowen up shot of the Old girl in the shed that same day i think. That is when Al had it. The terry toweling hats actually help with upwind speed, oh and to get the chicks. :lol:

GS you havnt told the handicappers about that couple of minutes have you?

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 12:14 PM

Can't for the light of day work out why they didn't continue on with that publication, they only made 1 edition, fackers.....

Some great stuff in it though, 4 or 5 complete Sportsboat Test Reviews.

Couple of the Troppo getting O so close with "Blown Away" at a windward mark. Some very concerned heads there I tell you.

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Posted 16 March 2006 - 01:13 PM

good info on the e770,

Compared to a e780 rates .015 or .016 slower on CBH, less than 50 seconds per hour.

why did they knock up a e770 out of a e7, when the e780 mould already existed and proved quicker ????
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ps put the 770's in a sub catagory the e7's are listed !

ps as I hinted at b4 Speed Turtle is ex Ziggurat and NOT a ESCape !

saw an ESCape at 2000 or 2001 Hogs from memory
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Posted 16 March 2006 - 01:40 PM

they made the 770 so kerli could try to compete for that size market niche. at the time at least 780s were made commercially by modern concept.

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 12:00 AM

good info on the e770,

Compared to a e780 rates .015 or .016 slower on CBH, bout a 50 second difference per 3600, or an hour.

why did they knock up a e770 out of a e7, when the e780 mould already existed and proved quicker ????
.

ps put the 770's in a sub catagory the e7's are listed !

ps as I hinted at b4 Speed Turtle is ex Ziggurat and not a ESCape !

saw an ESCape at 2000 or 2001 Hogs from memory
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Heard ya, I'll fix the list

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 12:40 AM


O.k . I'm very interested in this topic as I would like to buy 1 in the next yr or so
Started the data base please add to it and feel free to correct me on any of my miss information.

cheers G.U

780 race
Another girl - Tas E7 deck
Hot 2 Trot - Vic E7 deck
Splat - Vic E7 deck

780 racer / cruiser
Gone Troppo - QLD 780 cruiser deck
Trpical Son - QLD 780 cruiser deck



780 ESCApe
Speed Turtle - Escape QLD

ESPX
X2


need catagorising
Escapade - SA ?
Firecracker - SA ?
stage 3


Firecracker if it is the same one is an Old Version MK I ex NZ model

There was also Fly-n-by from memory too, still got the Aust Sailing review for it.

I'm sure firecracker was a Modern Concept Yacht boat. Definetly had a Bow Pole, but cruiser deck, I can dig up photos if you want? Gary ??????? was the original owner. Can't remember his surname.

Now I remember it was "Sando"

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 10:40 AM

updated List
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780 race
1. Another girl - Tas E7 deck
2. Hot 2 Trot - Vic E7 deck
3. Splat - Vic E7 deck
4. Goin Wild -? E7 deck
5. Stage 3
6. Berwick - NZL cedar ( pre production 1990)
7. Makit Primitive

780 racer / cruiser
1. Gone Troppo - QLD 780 cruiser deck
2. Trpical Son / Out of Exile- QLD 780 cruiser deck
3. just sold from Hastings - has pinstripes
4. Fly'n By - ?
5. Firecracker - SA
6. Ziggy/Speed Turtle
7. Purple Haze
8. fire Ball
9. Blown away

780 ESCApe
1. Escapade - SA


ESPX
1. X2
2. Game over

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 10:50 AM

Thought you might be interested in this there Giddy.

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 11:13 AM

Is Seven Seventy, still Seven Seventy?

Also found "Fireball" 780 with Cruising Deck.

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 12:17 PM

what was the name of the red boat that darren and nicky from modern concept had? it had a retractable non rotating sprit was it one of the names mentioned above?

Blown Away

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 12:28 PM

Thought you might be interested in this there Giddy.




Luv ya work there fella

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Posted 19 March 2006 - 07:23 AM

780's
Makit Primitive - W.A. MOFSC ............... # MH143
Flyin'By ............. NSW MHYC
Shaw Contracting Tas. Launceston ......... # RQ13 (this is Another Girl? anyway traceable sail #)
True Colours S.A. CYCSA


Aust. 770's
Sonic Boom - W.A. GBYC
Elusive - - Tas

Kiwi 780s
Purple Haze the original timber 1984? # T4020 link > Purple Haze t4020
Berwick
Itchy Feet ....................................................... //one of these is a modern 2001 launch cedar boat !!
Phantom
Unitec 1 - built by University Technology NZ project

Article mentions Schofield 780 The Edge and maybe pic of 'blown away' also E7 'need for Speed'

780s Scofields The Edge and Ikes Hot2Trot

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Posted 19 March 2006 - 09:39 AM

E770 "Ellusive" Tas

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Posted 19 March 2006 - 09:50 AM

Just dissapointing they never did an article for the Young eh GS, nice google work though.

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Posted 19 March 2006 - 10:56 AM

Thought you might be interested in this there Giddy.


AH....The old "Going Wild" my old hardstand neighbour.

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Posted 19 March 2006 - 11:08 AM

780's
Makit Primitive - W.A. MOFSC ............... # MH143
Shaw Contracting Tas. Launceston ......... # RQ13 (this is Another Girl? anyway traceable sail #)
True Colours S.A. CYCSA


Aust. 770's
Sonic Boom - W.A. GBYC

Kiwi 780s
Purple Haze the original timber 1984? # T4020 link > Purple Haze t4020
Berwick
Itchy Feet ....................................................... //one of these is a modern 2001 launch cedar boat !!
Phantom
Unitec 1 - built by University Technology NZ project

Gybeset, there is a E780 in Wellington called Erazer, nots sure if this is one of the above but Phantom was reacently for sale and Berwick is for sale currently on Trade-me

Article mentions Schofield 780 The Edge and maybe pic of 'blown away' also E7 'need for Speed'

780s Scofields The Edge and Ikes Hot2Trot



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Posted 19 March 2006 - 09:12 PM


780's
Makit Primitive - W.A. MOFSC ............... # MH143
Shaw Contracting Tas. Launceston ......... # RQ13 (this is Another Girl? anyway traceable sail #)
True Colours S.A. CYCSA


Aust. 770's
Sonic Boom - W.A. GBYC

Kiwi 780s
Purple Haze the original timber 1984? # T4020 link > Purple Haze t4020
Berwick
Itchy Feet ....................................................... //one of these is a modern 2001 launch cedar boat !!
Phantom
Unitec 1 - built by University Technology NZ project

Gybeset, there is a E780 in Wellington called Erazer, nots sure if this is one of the above but Phantom was reacently for sale and Berwick is for sale currently on Trade-me

Article mentions Schofield 780 The Edge and maybe pic of 'blown away' also E7 'need for Speed'

780s Scofields The Edge and Ikes Hot2Trot



Shaw Contracting = AGAP

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Posted 20 March 2006 - 06:32 AM

780's
Makit Primitive - W.A. MOFSC ............... # MH143
Shaw Contracting Tas. Launceston ......... # RQ13 (this is Another Girl? anyway traceable sail #)
True Colours S.A. CYCSA


Aust. 770's
Sonic Boom - W.A. GBYC

Kiwi 780s
Purple Haze the original timber 1984? # T4020 link > Purple Haze t4020
Berwick
Itchy Feet ....................................................... //one of these is a modern 2001 launch cedar boat !!
Phantom
Unitec 1 - built by University Technology NZ project

Article mentions Schofield 780 The Edge and maybe pic of 'blown away' also E7 'need for Speed'

780s Scofields The Edge and Ikes Hot2Trot

Itchy Feet on a mooring in Taupo,no antifouling and the weeds are growing,The shag shit is about a foot deep in places on the deck,lifelines have broken and are now just hanging,mainsheet was broken with the boom swinging free in the wind.Mainsail is on the boom and has been there for well over 2 years.Hasnt moved from here for the last 2 years.
This is a wreck happening,SUCH a sad end to a beautiful boat,quick one too.Seem to remember her taking out the Auckland-Tauranga race one easter.

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Posted 20 March 2006 - 10:17 PM

Is she for sale? Might get it cheap if unwanted any more. Where abouts in NZ is Taupo?

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Posted 20 March 2006 - 10:32 PM

Is she for sale? Might get it cheap if unwanted any more. Where abouts in NZ is Taupo?

Middle of the North Island, just north of the National Park with all the Mountains.....

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 02:59 AM

Is she for sale? Might get it cheap if unwanted any more. Where abouts in NZ is Taupo?


That would be nice.A cheap 780 to go with the 760 but not about to happen as owner is wanting high 30s for her even in the condition shes in.
Taupo is central north island NZ.A fairly large lake ,approx 40km by 40km,Taupo township at the northern end and the ski fields to the south.Predominant wind is from the sw striaght off the mountains.Makes for some chilly winter sailing with wind off the snow.

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 04:19 AM

I drove from Wellington to New Plymouth a few years back no map in the hire car, basic directions from the hotel "head out following the road for Taupo there is a left turn signposted for NP before you get there" missed the left turn at Bulls, got caught in a blizzard and ended up in Taupo, when I saw the lake I figured I was back on the coast and must be getting close to NP, couldnt believe it when the service station cashier told me I was about 400km away from where I was meant to be.

The lake looks like a great sailing venue, are there any clubs there? how active are they?

Elliot Worlds 2007 ????? where do I charter a boat :D

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 06:22 AM

I drove from Wellington to New Plymouth a few years back no map in the hire car, basic directions from the hotel "head out following the road for Taupo there is a left turn signposted for NP before you get there" missed the left turn at Bulls, got caught in a blizzard and ended up in Taupo, when I saw the lake I figured I was back on the coast and must be getting close to NP, couldnt believe it when the service station cashier told me I was about 400km away from where I was meant to be.

The lake looks like a great sailing venue, are there any clubs there? how active are they?

Elliot Worlds 2007 ????? where do I charter a boat :D

Two clubs in Taupo,Taupo yacht and power boat club,and Turangi yacht club(southern end of lake,about 1/2 hour drive.Taupo club going thru the usual membership lull at the moment.Just had the Mighty River Power regatta here on the weekend,centreboard sailing.Fleets of optimists,p's,javlins and A class cats.
Elliott 5.9 hold a few of their regattas here and Nolex 25 champs.Magic 25s were here last year.Fresh water sailing is a nice change.This is lake sailing though,generally light winds although like everywhere storms do blow thru.
El Capone is currently up here from Palmerston north? although not being sailed as far as I can see.

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 08:21 AM

when talking about Ziggurat ,when you say cruiser do you mean built by Al, similar to troppo? Not sure if Al built the hull on Ziggy but at the very least he put the deck on. I think modern concept may have built the hull. Al at very least did the rigging and built the trailer. I sailed on her in a regatta in mooloolaba when she was just launched (nationals, states? cant remember ,was a long time ago). was the only time i have ever fallen overboard. dropping the big assy on the foredeck (after stuff up) and someone in the cockpit puts the jammer on the tackline mid drop. before I knew it i was inthe water. I heard she ran aground badly somwhere around airlie not long after. she definately used to have Als pivoting sprit assembly as well as his balanced transom hung rudder arrangment, and the sliding trailer.


Ziggy, was the first full female moulded E780. I think there might have been maybe 1 female moulded hull previous to ziggy, but it definately had the first female moulded deck. It was the "new" cruising deck which was quite a bit smaller, in height mainly, then the first cruising deck (only 3-4 built before the mould was cut-up) and bloody solid too - perfect for "Captn Pineapple Head", the original owner, famous for sailing up and down the Ballina river, big bag, on it's ear, 1/2 dozen female backpackers onboard (they tended to consist of more then half of the crew on majority Ziggys sailing outings, though never saw the same girl twice), generally pissed++, having an absolute ball. I reckon he would've had the most fun anyone could've on a E780 - lucky bastard!


Say ntman, you weren't one those infmaous backpackers were you???

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 10:00 AM


when talking about Ziggurat ,when you say cruiser do you mean built by Al, similar to troppo? Not sure if Al built the hull on Ziggy but at the very least he put the deck on. I think modern concept may have built the hull. Al at very least did the rigging and built the trailer. I sailed on her in a regatta in mooloolaba when she was just launched (nationals, states? cant remember ,was a long time ago). was the only time i have ever fallen overboard. dropping the big assy on the foredeck (after stuff up) and someone in the cockpit puts the jammer on the tackline mid drop. before I knew it i was inthe water. I heard she ran aground badly somwhere around airlie not long after. she definately used to have Als pivoting sprit assembly as well as his balanced transom hung rudder arrangment, and the sliding trailer.


Ziggy, was the first full female moulded E780. I think there might have been maybe 1 female moulded hull previous to ziggy, but it definately had the first female moulded deck. It was the "new" cruising deck which was quite a bit smaller, in height mainly, then the first cruising deck (only 3-4 built before the mould was cut-up) and bloody solid too - perfect for "Captn Pineapple Head", the original owner, famous for sailing up and down the Ballina river, big bag, on it's ear, 1/2 dozen female backpackers onboard (they tended to consist of more then half of the crew on majority Ziggys sailing outings, though never saw the same girl twice), generally pissed++, having an absolute ball. I reckon he would've had the most fun anyone could've on a E780 - lucky bastard!


Say ntman, you weren't one those infmaous backpackers were you???


And I thought we were the only ones that called him that.....

Crewed with us at Hammo for a couple of races when his backpackers left. Damn good sailor as well.

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Posted 21 March 2006 - 10:22 AM

'Chris M....h' is mr.pineapple head ? LOL

he's handy 'round a boat fer sure

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Posted 22 March 2006 - 04:30 AM

No, I was just a high school kid from northern NSW when the boat was first launched. Only regatta I sailed was at Mooloolaba (I think QLD states, maybe nats, can't remember). I don't think anyone called him pineapple head to his face. funny regatta, myself and a mate on board were the only ones who had used big assy's before. I ended up overboard once in a buggered up drop. As it was the first time the boat had been raced we were well off the pace. Chris was (is?) a good sailor though and we finished one or 2 races near or in front of troppo and some other good 780s.

Noddy, are you a former (or current) richmond riverite?

PS. the owners backpacker friends were always girls, ie not me.

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Posted 22 March 2006 - 07:54 AM

Goin Wild has ended up in Perth, renamed Hammer & Tongs. It just sold for $24,000, I should have bought it!

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 11:44 AM

The "Turkey Slapper" conglomerate is willing to take people and there wives out for Joy rides if anyones interested on sailing an E780!

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 12:17 PM

The "Turkey Slapper" conglomerate is willing to take people and there wives out for Joy rides if anyones interested on sailing an E780!



I'll hold you to that Slapper when they let me out of the Clink, always wanted to sail on a Green boat. :rolleyes:

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Posted 23 March 2006 - 01:04 PM

There was a E780 with E7 deck in Townsville for awhile... lovely boat it was called Havinawin.... sold somewhere down south about 5 years ago..... dont know what happened or where she went however it was probably the most loved and underused E780 i ever saw....


I have been toying with the idea of getting a E780 and adding some solid wings (like stealths) out to 3.5m to improve the upwind proformance.... anybody done this???? i believe it would make for a very interesting and very fast allround boat, maybe not stealth pase but certainly would be the next step forward for these ageing boats........... just love them wings :-)

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 10:26 AM

Avid i think you mean "Flares", would be curious as to weather the E 780 would work that well with wings, upwind would be good but they still have a bit of rocker and downwind wouldnt be on the pace and probably nose dive more as that is the main problem we have at any decent pace downwind in waves.

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 10:32 AM


The "Turkey Slapper" conglomerate is willing to take people and there wives out for Joy rides if anyones interested on sailing an E780!



I'll hold you to that Slapper when they let me out of the Clink, always wanted to sail on a Green boat. :rolleyes:





What so Slapper I'm not invited then? :(

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 12:02 PM



The "Turkey Slapper" conglomerate is willing to take people and there wives out for Joy rides if anyones interested on sailing an E780!



I'll hold you to that Slapper when they let me out of the Clink, always wanted to sail on a Green boat. :rolleyes:





What so Slapper I'm not invited then? :(


Well while your locked away, what's your wife up to? :lol: Hope you have some weight as the troppo loves a fat boy on the rail.

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 01:01 PM

Avid i think you mean "Flares", would be curious as to weather the E 780 would work that well with wings, upwind would be good but they still have a bit of rocker and downwind wouldnt be on the pace and probably nose dive more as that is the main problem we have at any decent pace downwind in waves.

Turks , Don't 'get' why wings would make you nosedive more ? cos you are going faster you mean ? any way of going faster would be justifiable particularly if it included upwind ?
Rocker would help, especially rocker toward the stern is "designed in" to PREVENT nosediving.

In any case I don't know how increasing hiking (or deck) beam is going to affect nosediving or fore-aft trim ? how do you reckon it will ? You know the 780, and the Stealth re-design/update which i think would have less rocker somehow.

Also bear in mind if the max-beam extended thru to the transom more crew weight could be behind the helm (away from the bow), the effect of this would be to drive it harder and less nosey - broachy..

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 01:25 PM




The "Turkey Slapper" conglomerate is willing to take people and there wives out for Joy rides if anyones interested on sailing an E780!



I'll hold you to that Slapper when they let me out of the Clink, always wanted to sail on a Green boat. :rolleyes:





What so Slapper I'm not invited then? :(


Well while your locked away, what's your wife up to? :lol: Hope you have some weight as the troppo loves a fat boy on the rail.




Now Now, no need to be rude about it, I am 123kgs though.

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Posted 25 March 2006 - 09:49 AM

What was the name of the ESPX with the Yellow Bow, that was at RPAYC for a while?

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Posted 25 March 2006 - 10:03 AM





The "Turkey Slapper" conglomerate is willing to take people and there wives out for Joy rides if anyones interested on sailing an E780!



I'll hold you to that Slapper when they let me out of the Clink, always wanted to sail on a Green boat. :rolleyes:





What so Slapper I'm not invited then? :(


Well while your locked away, what's your wife up to? :lol: Hope you have some weight as the troppo loves a fat boy on the rail.




Now Now, no need to rude about it, I am 123kgs though.



i was at 148kgs when we sailed so what at hogs in 2004 and she loved it

the elliot loved it as well 148kgs swinging it down hard makes it truck upwind

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Posted 25 March 2006 - 11:37 AM

[quote name='sea bogan' post='676715' date='Mar 25 2006, 02:03 AM'][quote name='Heaven can wait' post='675663' date='Mar 24 2006, 05:25 AM']
[quote name='Turkey Slapper' post='675613' date='Mar 24 2006, 04:02 AM']
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The "Turkey Slapper" conglomerate is willing to take people and there wives out for Joy rides if anyones interested on sailing an E780![/quote]


I'll hold you to that Slapper when they let me out of the Clink, always wanted to sail on a Green boat. :rolleyes:
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What so Slapper I'm not invited then? :(
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Well while your locked away, what's your wife up to? :lol: Hope you have some weight as the troppo loves a fat boy on the rail.
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Now Now, no need to rude about it, I am 123kgs though.
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i was at 148kgs when we sailed so what at hogs in 2004 and she loved it

the elliot loved it as well 148kgs swinging it down hard makes it truck upwind
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Farrk Sea, that's a lot of mobile righting moment there mate, I unfortunately haven't got a lot of say in the weight matter, I put on 57kilograms in 2 days when I was in hospital in 2004.

Reckon 157kilograms would have worked well, however I don't think I could have got up if Slapper wanted to tack. :(

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Posted 25 March 2006 - 12:26 PM

So much fat and not enough rail to fit it on. I belive that is the single most thing that gets us going quick around the track, FAT. Who needs Wings when you have hard hiking big boys.

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Posted 25 March 2006 - 11:02 PM

And you get the boys further out with ..........WINGS!

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Posted 26 March 2006 - 02:17 AM

So much fat and not enough rail to fit it on. I belive that is the single most thing that gets us going quick around the track, FAT. Who needs Wings when you have hard hiking big boys.



No Fat here TS, reckon I could almost be protested as movable water ballast, I don't loose weight mate, I leak. :lol: :lol: :(

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Posted 29 March 2006 - 01:25 PM

Arguably Australia's best E780 of that era, with guess who Steering, and this is only half of the photo.

Nice.


What the hell is that out the bow .It looks like a dunny pipe.

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Posted 29 March 2006 - 01:37 PM


Arguably Australia's best E780 of that era, with guess who Steering, and this is only half of the photo.

Nice.


What the hell is that out the bow .It looks like a dunny pipe.




Tis just painted Carbon. Colour coded, you know Prissy.

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Posted 29 March 2006 - 02:10 PM

Prissy?

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Posted 29 March 2006 - 02:24 PM

Prissy?



They didn't have Polyeurothanes that actually stuck in those days, to prevent sun damage, so painted the facker white.

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 02:50 AM

Boys......set this up for anyone that is interested in the 780.


Elliott 780 time waster !


enjoy

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 05:15 AM

Boys......set this up for anyone that is interested in the 780.


Elliott 780 time waster !


enjoy


Nice shots of an "Average Adelaide Sea breeze above"

Current SA E780s:

Espx:
Game Over
Public Ememy (Ex RPAYC boat been in SA a few years now)

"Cruising"
Firecracker - Modern Concept boat - was in Port Lincoln Prior to Adelaide - non pivoting bow pole
Out Of Exile -Light weight Cowardine boat - CST Carbon rig - pivoting bow pole

Escape
Escapade - CST Carbon Rig, still has dunny, stove and cushions


Recently Departed:
True Colours - Returned to Melbourne?
Primal Scream - Light Weight "Cruising" boat, with slightly larger cockpit, minimal interior and adjustable rig

Other info:

Shaw contracting is Another Girl another planet.

Moulds are currently in Adelaide. Apparently update of ESPX concept next one out to be built by local skiff builder / sailmaker who has heaps of experience with ESPX. Look out for T750esq development of the E780.

Could be very interesting lowish cost high performance boat.

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 06:33 AM

thanks for the update SASB.

which club has True colours gone to?

where has PS ended up??

apparently the owner of the moulds has popped a new boat out already ...any photos??

I spoke to the sailmaker you mentioned ...he hasn't started his yet due to wanting to make his boat all carbon

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 06:50 AM

thanks for the update SASB.

which club has True colours gone to?

where has PS ended up??

apparently the owner of the moulds has popped a new boat out already ...any photos??

I spoke to the sailmaker you mentioned ...he hasn't started his yet due to wanting to make his boat all carbon


I checked round and no one has seen the initial boat ... very strange. I'll keep my eye out and see if we can discover its' where abouts.

What is his delay? The moulds are at his shed, We can supply any epoxy he needs at "mates rates", plus we can also bring in whatever carbon he needs. I thought he was palying round with deeper keel, smaller Thompson-esq cabin, with thompson style keel in the cockpit, moving the mast step back (more JB style sail plan), to extend beam or not etc ....

Unless he plans to go the whole hog and prepreg / bake etc ...

Perhaps I should give him a call him / drop round.

I'll check round and see where true colours went (very strange deck / cockpit / rig on that one). I can call the ex-owners of Primal Scream and find out where it ended up.

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 07:19 AM

Contacts for the guy with the moulds??????

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 07:45 AM

Contacts for the guy with the moulds??????


Main Entry: 1mold
Variant: or chiefly British mould /'mOld/
Function: noun
: a cavity in which a fluid or malleable substance is shaped


Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

Some of us aren't quite fully Americanised as yet.

Mould can be interchanged for all meanings of mold it doesn't just refer to fungi.

But then the bloke in question is a touch mouldy ... or should that be moldy!

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Posted 21 April 2006 - 07:15 AM

my matre built a E780 recently - cant remember name but was parked at westhaven before he went overseas working on tiara and the boat was put for sale

he changed the cabin top a little and the cockpit to make it sleeker - had a sail on it and it was mint -

took him 4 years and carted the boat around 5 differents flats before finishing

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Posted 21 April 2006 - 11:08 AM

my matre built a E780 recently - cant remember name but was parked at westhaven before he went overseas working on tiara and the boat was put for sale

he changed the cabin top a little and the cockpit to make it sleeker - had a sail on it and it was mint -

took him 4 years and carted the boat around 5 differents flats before finishing



Is this the one that was white and he was trying to sell it for Fourty K on a single axle trailer? where is it now?

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 11:03 PM


Contacts for the guy with the moulds??????


Main Entry: 1mold
Variant: or chiefly British mould /'mOld/
Function: noun
: a cavity in which a fluid or malleable substance is shaped


Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

Some of us aren't quite fully Americanised as yet.

Mould can be interchanged for all meanings of mold it doesn't just refer to fungi.

But then the bloke in question is a touch mouldy ... or should that be moldy!




Dont need no spelling to sail :lol:

but thanks for the lesson, however it still doesnt get me any closer to getting in contact with the mould, oops mold..... aaahhhh fak it, the guy with he E780 hull forming jig :lol:

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Posted 24 April 2006 - 12:58 AM

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Hope SA counts HCW. Guess it should since we had more sports boats at Geelong than any other state, or thereabouts anyway.... Other news is that the Elliot 7.8 moulds have been bought and are likely to result in the ESPX going back into production. Already 2 in SA. Looks like the SA contingent is on a bit of a surge at present.

Grizzly, who has bought the moulds? I would like to get in contact with them if you know. Does anyone know whether the Escape deck mould still exists? ifso where??G.U


Dave Alexander, sail maker in Adelaide


On your mould hunt, any evidence the E770 mould is not a faster shape than the e780 ?
Its a newer design phase. I know it hasn't got the runs on the board of the 780 but it was in a lesser state of tune/rig power, kinda OD.

Urban myth is that it's a local stretch job on an E7, but that could be over-simplistic, and countered by the fact that it has moulds and is built/marketed in NZ and the U.S. as well, i.e. not just an aussie 'midnight special' "Cut & Shut" ? Is it a compromise or a design in it's own right.

Whats the sailors opinion ? and what are the differences in the 'In Water' shape ??? the bit that really matters ?
also interior room/layout.

It's going alright here (a lighter day) without the rig tech.

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Posted 24 April 2006 - 11:51 AM

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Hope SA counts HCW. Guess it should since we had more sports boats at Geelong than any other state, or thereabouts anyway.... Other news is that the Elliot 7.8 moulds have been bought and are likely to result in the ESPX going back into production. Already 2 in SA. Looks like the SA contingent is on a bit of a surge at present.

Grizzly, who has bought the moulds? I would like to get in contact with them if you know. Does anyone know whether the Escape deck mould still exists? ifso where??G.U


Dave Alexander, sail maker in Adelaide


On your mould hunt, any evidence the E770 mould is not a faster shape than the e780 ?
Its a newer design phase. I know it hasn't got the runs on the board of the 780 but it was in a lesser state of tune/rig power, kinda OD.

Urban myth is that it's a local stretch job on an E7, but that could be over-simplistic, and countered by the fact that it has moulds and is built/marketed in NZ and the U.S. as well, i.e. not just an aussie 'midnight special' "Cut & Shut" ? Is it a compromise or a design in it's own right.

Whats the sailors opinion ? and what are the differences in the 'In Water' shape ??? the bit that really matters ?
also interior room/layout.

It's going alright here (a lighter day) without the rig tech.


Out of Exile was just running a painted Alloy mast at that stage, so it wasn't really high tech.

I have sailed both and sailed E780's against the 770s. Even when we had the old dual spreader / no backstay fradtional kite we used to beat them almost all of the time (ie similar spec rig). Both designs have more rocker than is usual nowdays and both are wider at the waterline and have more vertical topsides than equivalent T boats. The 780 hull shape always seemed to plane and surf earlier and longer than the 770, but the sample space is small.

I also presume that our E780 is heavier than the 770s. The interior of our boat is a heap roomier than the 770s, although their cockpit is much larger than ours, so swings and roundabouts.

With the current masthead rig, carbon spar and rig and foil development we have a lot on the current 770s, but given how much better we go now compared to the original state of the boat, I presume with similar developments the 770s would be significantly quicker as well.

So who knows? the 780s always seem to beat the 770s.

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Posted 24 April 2006 - 12:01 PM


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Hope SA counts HCW. Guess it should since we had more sports boats at Geelong than any other state, or thereabouts anyway.... Other news is that the Elliot 7.8 moulds have been bought and are likely to result in the ESPX going back into production. Already 2 in SA. Looks like the SA contingent is on a bit of a surge at present.

Grizzly, who has bought the moulds? I would like to get in contact with them if you know. Does anyone know whether the Escape deck mould still exists? ifso where??G.U


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On your mould hunt, any evidence the E770 mould is not a faster shape than the e780 ?
Its a newer design phase. I know it hasn't got the runs on the board of the 780 but it was in a lesser state of tune/rig power, kinda OD.

Urban myth is that it's a local stretch job on an E7, but that could be over-simplistic, and countered by the fact that it has moulds and is built/marketed in NZ and the U.S. as well, i.e. not just an aussie 'midnight special' "Cut & Shut" ? Is it a compromise or a design in it's own right.

Whats the sailors opinion ? and what are the differences in the 'In Water' shape ??? the bit that really matters ?
also interior room/layout.

It's going alright here (a lighter day) without the rig tech.


Out of Exile was just running a painted Alloy mast at that stage, so it wasn't really high tech.

I have sailed both and sailed E780's against the 770s. Even when we had the old dual spreader / no backstay fradtional kite we used to beat them almost all of the time (ie similar spec rig). Both designs have more rocker than is usual nowdays and both are wider at the waterline and have more vertical topsides than equivalent T boats. The 780 hull shape always seemed to plane and surf earlier and longer than the 770, but the sample space is small.

I also presume that our E780 is heavier than the 770s. The interior of our boat is a heap roomier than the 770s, although their cockpit is much larger than ours, so swings and roundabouts.

With the current masthead rig, carbon spar and rig and foil development we have a lot on the current 770s, but given how much better we go now compared to the original state of the boat, I presume with similar developments the 770s would be significantly quicker as well.

So who knows? the 780s always seem to beat the 770s.

SASB

I don't think Out of Exile would be to fast with his mast in it's current state. 4 pieces when I saw it yesterday

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 03:03 AM

Mark whats going back on it? Carbon or alloy?

Elliot 780 rig getting done where i think you would have seen it, Shouldnt take long! :lol: 14 months the norm i think!

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 07:04 AM

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Mark whats going back on it? Carbon or alloy?

Elliot 780 rig getting done where i think you would have seen it, Shouldnt take long! :lol: 14 months the norm i think!



Been that long already! Apparently an issue with "the place" getting the required information to the insurer to process the claim and have the mast rebuilt. No issue with the tube supplier.

The owner is far from happy and has been running his old alloy section sleeved and repaired since the Carbon stick broke (in a very similar manner to ours that had parts supplied from Brisbane, although we put ours together locally and so had it back in the water in 3 weeks, not 3 years!). He is definately going to have a replacement Carbon stick (eventually).

As for the moulds ... here are the pics (sorry for the quality, I only had my phone with me). It appears as though there are hull, Escape interior, Escape and ESPX decks.

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 07:17 AM

Mark whats going back on it? Carbon or alloy?

Elliot 780 rig getting done where i think you would have seen it, Shouldnt take long! :lol: 14 months the norm i think!



Repaired the old CST carbon one. It is back in 1 piece with track on

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 07:23 AM

Contacts for the guy with the moulds??????


You planning on getting in the shed AVID. Why not build a more modern design ie Thompson 8, Stealth 7.8 or 8 or Phuket 8. Sure the E780 is a great boat and still reasonlably fast but nothing like the new ones

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 08:02 AM


Mark whats going back on it? Carbon or alloy?

Elliot 780 rig getting done where i think you would have seen it, Shouldnt take long! :lol: 14 months the norm i think!



Repaired the old CST carbon one. It is back in 1 piece with track on


Young Nick will be much releived. I presume the lower tube was OK and just the upper taper was replaced.

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 08:15 AM


Contacts for the guy with the moulds??????


You planning on getting in the shed AVID. Why not build a more modern design ie Thompson 8, Stealth 7.8 or 8 or Phuket 8. Sure the E780 is a great boat and still reasonlably fast but nothing like the new ones


I've already got one ... Why would I want 2 E-780s????

I was looking at a 79er, until they evaporated. Still hunting for a new project. The 780 has a little more rocker than really required and pushes a bunch more water than the newer designs but offshore adelaide the freeboard and extra righting moment comes in handy. ESPX and well sailed 780s still a match for T7s off here.

Looked at the T8 and Stealth 8, hadn't really considered a Duncy (must be the mental association with Snr's boats) ...

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 08:20 AM



Contacts for the guy with the moulds??????


You planning on getting in the shed AVID. Why not build a more modern design ie Thompson 8, Stealth 7.8 or 8 or Phuket 8. Sure the E780 is a great boat and still reasonlably fast but nothing like the new ones


I've already got one ... Why would I want 2 E-780s????

I was looking at a 79er, until they evaporated. Still hunting for a new project. The 780 has a little more rocker than really required and pushes a bunch more water than the newer designs but offshore adelaide the freeboard and extra righting moment comes in handy. ESPX and well sailed 780s still a match for T7s off here.

Looked at the T8 and Stealth 8, hadn't really considered a Duncy (must be the mental association with Snr's boats) ...


Maybe reread the question and who is was direted at !!

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 02:14 AM




Contacts for the guy with the moulds??????


You planning on getting in the shed AVID. Why not build a more modern design ie Thompson 8, Stealth 7.8 or 8 or Phuket 8. Sure the E780 is a great boat and still reasonlably fast but nothing like the new ones


I've already got one ... Why would I want 2 E-780s????

I was looking at a 79er, until they evaporated. Still hunting for a new project. The 780 has a little more rocker than really required and pushes a bunch more water than the newer designs but offshore adelaide the freeboard and extra righting moment comes in handy. ESPX and well sailed 780s still a match for T7s off here.

Looked at the T8 and Stealth 8, hadn't really considered a Duncy (must be the mental association with Snr's boats) ...

Sorry mark Brain fade as usual!

BTW was NRs lower tube OK? Was it just a cut and shut or did both tubes get replaced? When is it due back here?


Maybe reread the question and who is was direted at !!


Oops ... sorry brainfade again.

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 02:52 AM

"....... ESPX and well sailed 780s still a match for T7s off here."

SASB - leaving aside ESPX, which clearly faster in most but not all conditions, you sure about fact that a 780, even a well sailed one, is a match to the T7 in your local H2O. As far as I know one T7 (a new one that has had teething problems and has hardly had any use as yet) has beaten the 780s in most races but not all the races it has competed in and the other T7 has never come close to being beaten by a 780.

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 04:24 AM

"....... ESPX and well sailed 780s still a match for T7s off here."

SASB - leaving aside ESPX, which clearly faster in most but not all conditions, you sure about fact that a 780, even a well sailed one, is a match to the T7 in your local H2O. As far as I know one T7 (a new one that has had teething problems and has hardly had any use as yet) has beaten the 780s in most races but not all the races it has competed in and the other T7 has never come close to being beaten by a 780.



Badly sailed ESPX is generally finishes behind the well sailed 780s (Last winter series even Escape had to give it time).

Slow T7 finished behind 780 in more races than it fininshed in front of it in Inshore / Penfolds (am including the DSQ where it finished long way behind). Other T7 was beaten in at least one race by 780 as well. In seven races races less than 2 mins between T7 and 780 and last season was unusually light (more days <20kts), so I'd reckon they are at least competitive.

Also remember that OOE didn't compete much last season due to broken mast and when it did it was using sleeved alloy stick. In approx 50% of the races (7/15) less than 2 mins between one of the top T7s in the country and 780 Escape, so I'd reckon competitive is fair assessment, or at least more competitive than in flat water / light conditions.

BTW noticed that the stick was out of the new T7 yesterday and no where to be seen. Not more probelms I hope. Can you shed any light on the situation?

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 06:18 AM


"....... ESPX and well sailed 780s still a match for T7s off here."

SASB - leaving aside ESPX, which clearly faster in most but not all conditions, you sure about fact that a 780, even a well sailed one, is a match to the T7 in your local H2O. As far as I know one T7 (a new one that has had teething problems and has hardly had any use as yet) has beaten the 780s in most races but not all the races it has competed in and the other T7 has never come close to being beaten by a 780.



Badly sailed ESPX is generally finishes behind the well sailed 780s (Last winter series even Escape had to give it time).

Slow T7 finished behind 780 in more races than it fininshed in front of it in Inshore / Penfolds (am including the DSQ where it finished long way behind). Other T7 was beaten in at least one race by 780 as well. In seven races races less than 2 mins between T7 and 780 and last season was unusually light (more days <20kts), so I'd reckon they are at least competitive.

Also remember that OOE didn't compete much last season due to broken mast and when it did it was using sleeved alloy stick. In approx 50% of the races (7/15) less than 2 mins between one of the top T7s in the country and 780 Escape, so I'd reckon competitive is fair assessment, or at least more competitive than in flat water / light conditions.

BTW noticed that the stick was out of the new T7 yesterday and no where to be seen. Not more probelms I hope. Can you shed any light on the situation?


Sure about your comments re: T7s and your E780 in over the line finishes? Just looked at your club's race results and couldn't find 2 T7s competing in the 23 race series, only 1, the national champion. And in all the races you did together he appears to have beaten you across the line in every race between 1.30 and 6 minutes. Not sure about how light your season was. Does that matter? Couldn't find any results for other T7 other than Great South Regatta where in 6 races it beat your boat in all but one where it didn't appear to race. In one race appears to have beaten other T7 as well. Appreciate that I am standing up for the T7s here but I think you should get your facts right before you start sprouting such stuff.

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 08:38 AM



"....... ESPX and well sailed 780s still a match for T7s off here."

SASB - leaving aside ESPX, which clearly faster in most but not all conditions, you sure about fact that a 780, even a well sailed one, is a match to the T7 in your local H2O. As far as I know one T7 (a new one that has had teething problems and has hardly had any use as yet) has beaten the 780s in most races but not all the races it has competed in and the other T7 has never come close to being beaten by a 780.



Badly sailed ESPX is generally finishes behind the well sailed 780s (Last winter series even Escape had to give it time).

Slow T7 finished behind 780 in more races than it fininshed in front of it in Inshore / Penfolds (am including the DSQ where it finished long way behind). Other T7 was beaten in at least one race by 780 as well. In seven races races less than 2 mins between T7 and 780 and last season was unusually light (more days <20kts), so I'd reckon they are at least competitive.

Also remember that OOE didn't compete much last season due to broken mast and when it did it was using sleeved alloy stick. In approx 50% of the races (7/15) less than 2 mins between one of the top T7s in the country and 780 Escape, so I'd reckon competitive is fair assessment, or at least more competitive than in flat water / light conditions.

BTW noticed that the stick was out of the new T7 yesterday and no where to be seen. Not more probelms I hope. Can you shed any light on the situation?


Sure about your comments re: T7s and your E780 in over the line finishes? Just looked at your club's race results and couldn't find 2 T7s competing in the 23 race series, only 1, the national champion. And in all the races you did together he appears to have beaten you across the line in every race between 1.30 and 6 minutes. Not sure about how light your season was. Does that matter? Couldn't find any results for other T7 other than Great South Regatta where in 6 races it beat your boat in all but one where it didn't appear to race. In one race appears to have beaten other T7 as well. Appreciate that I am standing up for the T7s here but I think you should get your facts right before you start sprouting such stuff.



Don't know what happened there ... tried to reply but it got lost.

Here goes again. I didn't look at GSR, forgot the other T7 was there. I was using downloaded results not the Website, but they appear to be the same.

Wind speed / chop does seem to matter. Esc much closer to T7 in heavy and choppy conditions and not too many >25kts / choppy this year. Mind you both are nowhere near big lead bellies on PHS or even CBH compared to Clubman 8 in those conditions on W/L courses.

I would expect "normal" E780 (eg OOE) to be on average 1:30 - 2:00 faster than ESC from previous seasons, so at least competitive with slower T7, which should also expect to improve next year.

GRW shows how much slower T7 should improve. It only beat Esc 4 out of 7 while FF beat Esc 6 out of 7. It only managed to beat "normal" E780 (Shaw) twice, so it has a long way to go.

23 race series was in fact 19 race series and on 9 of those races either Esc or FF didn't compete, so 10 races. Esc finished ahead of FF in R2 by 6:30ish (no breakages to either), so did end up ahead in one out of 10. Rest between 8:30 (breakage on Esc) and 1:30ish.

Other T7 competed in ? 2 Penfolds / Special series races and finished behind Esc in them (was DSQ in one but finished well behind). As mentioned above you are right about GSR races. These were coincident with at least 2 of the PS, so don't know why other T7 wasn't recorded as Vis in the results or why they didn't sail the last race (which wasn't Pointscore). I didn't look at GSR as I mentioned in above post (as they weren't in the SS) but would have if I had seen 2Q4U / BC mentioned in the results.

So I reckon next season with 1-2 x E780s (what happened to the first one out of the moulds?), 1 x Esc, 2 x ESPX (hopefully out on more than Wed nights), 2 x T7s (possibly more, we will have to wait and see?) and Billy in the Lyons we could have a really good season.

Apart from Game Over and FF the rest should be pretty competitive across the line. On CBH (for what it's worth, which is SFA IMO) FF and Game Over should be close and ahead, then the rest are pretty much line ball, although none of us can touch the top Clubman 8 on W/L in anything over 12kts (him planing with Sym kite).


BTW do you know anything about the other T7s mast and where it has gone?

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 11:10 AM




"....... ESPX and well sailed 780s still a match for T7s off here."

SASB - leaving aside ESPX, which clearly faster in most but not all conditions, you sure about fact that a 780, even a well sailed one, is a match to the T7 in your local H2O. As far as I know one T7 (a new one that has had teething problems and has hardly had any use as yet) has beaten the 780s in most races but not all the races it has competed in and the other T7 has never come close to being beaten by a 780.



Badly sailed ESPX is generally finishes behind the well sailed 780s (Last winter series even Escape had to give it time).

Slow T7 finished behind 780 in more races than it fininshed in front of it in Inshore / Penfolds (am including the DSQ where it finished long way behind). Other T7 was beaten in at least one race by 780 as well. In seven races races less than 2 mins between T7 and 780 and last season was unusually light (more days <20kts), so I'd reckon they are at least competitive.

Also remember that OOE didn't compete much last season due to broken mast and when it did it was using sleeved alloy stick. In approx 50% of the races (7/15) less than 2 mins between one of the top T7s in the country and 780 Escape, so I'd reckon competitive is fair assessment, or at least more competitive than in flat water / light conditions.

BTW noticed that the stick was out of the new T7 yesterday and no where to be seen. Not more probelms I hope. Can you shed any light on the situation?


Sure about your comments re: T7s and your E780 in over the line finishes? Just looked at your club's race results and couldn't find 2 T7s competing in the 23 race series, only 1, the national champion. And in all the races you did together he appears to have beaten you across the line in every race between 1.30 and 6 minutes. Not sure about how light your season was. Does that matter? Couldn't find any results for other T7 other than Great South Regatta where in 6 races it beat your boat in all but one where it didn't appear to race. In one race appears to have beaten other T7 as well. Appreciate that I am standing up for the T7s here but I think you should get your facts right before you start sprouting such stuff.



Don't know what happened there ... tried to reply but it got lost.

Here goes again. I didn't look at GSR, forgot the other T7 was there. I was using downloaded results not the Website, but they appear to be the same.

Wind speed / chop does seem to matter. Esc much closer to T7 in heavy and choppy conditions and not too many >25kts / choppy this year. Mind you both are nowhere near big lead bellies on PHS or even CBH compared to Clubman 8 in those conditions on W/L courses.

I would expect "normal" E780 (eg OOE) to be on average 1:30 - 2:00 faster than ESC from previous seasons, so at least competitive with slower T7, which should also expect to improve next year.

GRW shows how much slower T7 should improve. It only beat Esc 4 out of 7 while FF beat Esc 6 out of 7. It only managed to beat "normal" E780 (Shaw) twice, so it has a long way to go.

23 race series was in fact 19 race series and on 9 of those races either Esc or FF didn't compete, so 10 races. Esc finished ahead of FF in R2 by 6:30ish (no breakages to either), so did end up ahead in one out of 10. Rest between 8:30 (breakage on Esc) and 1:30ish.

Other T7 competed in ? 2 Penfolds / Special series races and finished behind Esc in them (was DSQ in one but finished well behind). As mentioned above you are right about GSR races. These were coincident with at least 2 of the PS, so don't know why other T7 wasn't recorded as Vis in the results or why they didn't sail the last race (which wasn't Pointscore). I didn't look at GSR as I mentioned in above post (as they weren't in the SS) but would have if I had seen 2Q4U / BC mentioned in the results.

So I reckon next season with 1-2 x E780s (what happened to the first one out of the moulds?), 1 x Esc, 2 x ESPX (hopefully out on more than Wed nights), 2 x T7s (possibly more, we will have to wait and see?) and Billy in the Lyons we could have a really good season.

Apart from Game Over and FF the rest should be pretty competitive across the line. On CBH (for what it's worth, which is SFA IMO) FF and Game Over should be close and ahead, then the rest are pretty much line ball, although none of us can touch the top Clubman 8 on W/L in anything over 12kts (him planing with Sym kite).


BTW do you know anything about the other T7s mast and where it has gone?



Saw the mast last week on the lawn. It has a broken snotta line which being replaced and by the looks of it a new main halyard. You sure new T7 raced in GRW. I thought it was ANger management. By the way, is there another T7 heading to Adelaide? Sounds like it by the tone of your post. What do you know?

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 11:29 PM



"....... ESPX and well sailed 780s still a match for T7s off here."

SASB - leaving aside ESPX, which clearly faster in most but not all conditions, you sure about fact that a 780, even a well sailed one, is a match to the T7 in your local H2O. As far as I know one T7 (a new one that has had teething problems and has hardly had any use as yet) has beaten the 780s in most races but not all the races it has competed in and the other T7 has never come close to being beaten by a 780.



Badly sailed ESPX is generally finishes behind the well sailed 780s (Last winter series even Escape had to give it time).

Slow T7 finished behind 780 in more races than it fininshed in front of it in Inshore / Penfolds (am including the DSQ where it finished long way behind). Other T7 was beaten in at least one race by 780 as well. In seven races races less than 2 mins between T7 and 780 and last season was unusually light (more days <20kts), so I'd reckon they are at least competitive.

Also remember that OOE didn't compete much last season due to broken mast and when it did it was using sleeved alloy stick. In approx 50% of the races (7/15) less than 2 mins between one of the top T7s in the country and 780 Escape, so I'd reckon competitive is fair assessment, or at least more competitive than in flat water / light conditions.

BTW noticed that the stick was out of the new T7 yesterday and no where to be seen. Not more probelms I hope. Can you shed any light on the situation?


Sure about your comments re: T7s and your E780 in over the line finishes? Just looked at your club's race results and couldn't find 2 T7s competing in the 23 race series, only 1, the national champion. And in all the races you did together he appears to have beaten you across the line in every race between 1.30 and 6 minutes. Not sure about how light your season was. Does that matter? Couldn't find any results for other T7 other than Great South Regatta where in 6 races it beat your boat in all but one where it didn't appear to race. In one race appears to have beaten other T7 as well. Appreciate that I am standing up for the T7s here but I think you should get your facts right before you start sprouting such stuff.


Check again. R2 of "23 race series" Esc beat Top T7 over the line by some 6:30 (no breakages).

23 race seies became 19 races and in 9 of them either T7 or Esc or both DNC. There were also Penfolds series and other special events. I missed GSR as I was using downloaded data, but don't know why other T7 wasn't "Visitor" in the Inshore races that were part of GSR (will have to check to see which races were combined).

Also remeber that we are talking Esc here not "normal" E780. Would expect OOE to be 1:30 - 2:00 faster than Esc based on previous seasons, so "competitive" is fair assessment. Would also expect slow T7 to improve. Look at GRW results, only beat Esc over the line 4 out of 7 and could only manage to beat "normal" E780 (shaw) 2 times. Compare that with FF which beat Esc 6 out of 7.

Fast ESPX (Game Over) beats T7 majority of the time and given that ESPX could be improved by Carbon stick etc there is still potential for improvement there.

On CBH (for what that's worth, and IMHO SFA) Game over and FF would be close and miles ahead of OOE, Esc, Lyons and slower T7 who would all be very close and around the mark, but we are all absolutely towelled by Clubman 8 on W/L courses over 15kts (once he can surf / plane with sym kite).

Heavy weather and chop seems to favour the E780. We are closer to T7 although all of us are nowhere near PHS of the big displacement boats that murder us upwind.

I still reckon that E780s are competitive with T7s offshore here and more so than they would be in flatter water / lighter conditions.

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 11:39 PM

don't know where these replies are going but ...

At GRW didn't they sail the loan boat as 2quik4U while theirs was in getting repaired and then rename it as Bonecrusher when it came back?

Yes I heard word about another possible T7 heading down here. I don't know much as yet but will have to chase it up over the next few weeks.

You also know that the CYCSA J24s have been / are being sold. There is still a need for a club match racing / lease boats ....

More later.

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Posted 28 April 2006 - 06:41 AM


Contacts for the guy with the moulds??????


You planning on getting in the shed AVID. Why not build a more modern design ie Thompson 8, Stealth 7.8 or 8 or Phuket 8. Sure the E780 is a great boat and still reasonlably fast but nothing like the new ones


I am certainly getting itchy feet when it comes to boats... still love the Boatspeed and talking about boats with potential to go faster, that is one project which could still lead the T7's around the course. the stealth 7 maybe a little more difficult. anybody interested (have the ideas in my head but willing to tell all :lol: ).

however she just isnt meeting my current sailing requirements. So yes, i am planning and thinking about the next toy. i have the concept, i can even visualise what she looks likes (remarably like the stealth 8 actually :lol: ) however every time i do the $$$$$$$$$$$$ i find it hard to justify. So i am kicking tyers and ideas around.

idea!!!!!!!!!!! :ph34r:
If you look around, i am certain that there are some sportsboats with great gear ie carbon masts with lots of hardwear and sails just waiting to be redeveloped which are selling way bellow the sum of these parts to buy new (look how cheap Magic 25's are. you can get one cheaper than the mast is worth and anybody price a mast ram lately). i have been a fan of recycling lol. Get the right boat update the hull and for a reasonable price you have quite a reasonable boat. from memory a Magic 25 rig is not that much smaller than a E780's!!!!!!!! a little smaller isnt a problem as you can reduce the righting moment. i think the ESPX has less sail area than the E780 but is alot lighter and faster in general.

I shouldnt be giving away my hairbrained ideas. but if it gets an extra person on the water great.


Magic 25 - $10K
New E780 hull and Deck - $20K (just guesing on this one)

use all the magic, keel/bulb (and a cheap planer will bring the balast down to say 170kgs) and rudder (untill you can update) finbox, use as much stuff as you can. you wouldnt buy one unless it had a reasonable set of sails which will get you going untill you can buy more. so lets say another $5K. you even have a trailer.

So anybody for a new AVID780????? should come under $40K less if you are handy with resin and paintbrush. just remember who named it first :lol:

just an idea i have been cooking..... so where is that Trade-A-boat book.......

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Posted 28 April 2006 - 07:16 AM



Contacts for the guy with the moulds??????


You planning on getting in the shed AVID. Why not build a more modern design ie Thompson 8, Stealth 7.8 or 8 or Phuket 8. Sure the E780 is a great boat and still reasonlably fast but nothing like the new ones


I am certainly getting itchy feet when it comes to boats... still love the Boatspeed and talking about boats with potential to go faster, that is one project which could still lead the T7's around the course. the stealth 7 maybe a little more difficult. anybody interested (have the ideas in my head but willing to tell all :lol: ).

however she just isnt meeting my current sailing requirements. So yes, i am planning and thinking about the next toy. i have the concept, i can even visualise what she looks likes (remarably like the stealth 8 actually :lol: ) however every time i do the $$$$$$$$$$$$ i find it hard to justify. So i am kicking tyers and ideas around.

idea!!!!!!!!!!! :ph34r:



If you look around, i am certain that there are some sportsboats with great gear ie carbon masts with lots of hardwear and sails just waiting to be redeveloped which are selling way bellow the sum of these parts to buy new (look how cheap Magic 25's are. you can get one cheaper than the mast is worth and anybody price a mast ram lately). i have been a fan of recycling lol. Get the right boat update the hull and for a reasonable price you have quite a reasonable boat. from memory a Magic 25 rig is not that much smaller than a E780's!!!!!!!! a little smaller isnt a problem as you can reduce the righting moment. i think the ESPX has less sail area than the E780 but is alot lighter and faster in general.

I shouldnt be giving away my hairbrained ideas. but if it gets an extra person on the water great.


Magic 25 - $10K
New E780 hull and Deck - $20K (just guesing on this one)

use all the magic, keel/bulb (and a cheap planer will bring the balast down to say 170kgs) and rudder (untill you can update) finbox, use as much stuff as you can. you wouldnt buy one unless it had a reasonable set of sails which will get you going untill you can buy more. so lets say another $5K. you even have a trailer.

So anybody for a new AVID780????? should come under $40K less if you are handy with resin and paintbrush. just remember who named it first :lol:

just an idea i have been cooking..... so where is that Trade-A-boat book.......


Sounds like what they tried to do with Guided Missle the other Stealth 8. He had a boat that caught on fire. so they salvaged everything they could and then got Al to build a hull and deck for him. I know they used the keel and not sure what else. Since the boat went on the water, he has built a new keel,new rig, added wings and has a new rudder blade on order. So he would have a spare rig, keel and now rudder probably cost him more than if it was done properly in the first place.

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Posted 30 April 2006 - 11:08 PM

Don't know why I can't see the last few posts until I try to reply but ...

The cost of renovating and retrofitting is always more than you'd think (from personal experience), plus the time involved is a killer. I remeber cash strapped skiff days cobbling rigs and hulls together ... never again.

Why not just wing a magic? It would be fast and fun and cheap or put together a cut down pseudo ESPX E780 without all the ex magic stuff.

Depending on the lay up schedule, amount of Carbon and the type of core chosen you could get a relitively light boat at the right price point. Go the minimum lead to meet the required TM, lob on some wings / flares and fire it up. There is a heap of good E780 expertise around the traps and bits are easy to come across, so you could be out on the water for about the same amount of cash and have something you could resell later.

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Posted 03 May 2006 - 01:33 AM

and .............. ! Capt Cranky has the last unused Magic hull/deck just waiting to be sold, A light one with a fabricated flush deck, also a E770 mast there.
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Posted 03 May 2006 - 02:14 AM

Great idea Avid, anyone up for it?
The 10K estimate for a tragic seams a little low. Can't say I'd seen one go that cheap. Somewhere around the 14 to 15K mark will get you an average one, but the rags won't be much chop. I'm keen to give it a go but don't know where to start. I've got arguably the best tragic in the country, new stick, new carbon rags etc. Anyone interested in coming in with me and giving it a go?

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Posted 03 May 2006 - 03:00 AM

GS,

Did you notice the other pics ... Winches in the cockpit??? and what's with the retracting outboard slot?

At least he's getting a bowpole, although I'd be worried if he needs all the weight that far back to require the additional infills.

The boat must be 20ish years old by now.




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