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[MR.CLEAN]

Pics from this morning. Patience, racing ones are loading.

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[MR.CLEAN]

let's see what happens, Fins. They're pretty freaking small - i don't think the issue is the size of the screen - it's everyone clicking "refresh!"

BH lost a couple of seconds there, we're hanging out by the finish and letting them go up the course without buzzing along.

[skew]

Didn't he learn from when he was with the girls on A3... did the same thing then as he appears to be doing now!

DD was on Challenge '88 in 1988 and failed to cover on the 1st leg of the last race and found himself 2 minute behind at the WM. Fortunately the he was able to come from behind and pull it out. Wally was there too. Ask Stu Argo about it and he will tell you a funny story about what he told DD after that 1st leg.

[tronner]

Heartbreaker ahead at the first cross.

What's your source of information?

[rob-john]

What's your source of information?

ionearth.com

[Slyguy]

What's your source of information?

Eyes on the course. DS is trailing the action in the WQ protector

[MR.CLEAN]

Race 1 Photos - Boats are not far from the weather mark, and Honour isn't giving HB an inch or an opportunity.

More pics from Race 1. Anyone watch the vids yet?

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[LateNite]

... Anyone watch the vids yet?

Vids are great, keep 'em coming.

[Math man]

DD was on Challenge '88 in 1988 and failed to cover on the 1st leg of the last race and found himself 2 minute behind at the WM. Fortunately the he was able to come from behind and pull it out. Wally was there too. Ask Stu Argo about it and he will tell you a funny story about what he told DD after that 1st leg.

What did Stu tell DD how to make the perfect Rum and Diet Coke or that he needed another?

[tronner]

Eyes on the course. DS is trailing the action in the WQ protector

Is his cell working up there?

[MR.CLEAN]

Honour is ahead by just under 20 seconds at the final WW mark - that's a loss of 10 or so from the bottom. Can Dave and Wally get that pig back down faster than the folks whose heads aren't attached to their necks?

[Slyguy]

Is his cell working up there?

He called after the first cross, I have not heard from him since.

[Holdmycourse!]

Absolutely no link on the Iontracker site. My guess is they have a max number of users and have disabled the link.

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong

Cricket sounds...............

[KTB]

Honour is ahead by just under 20 seconds at the final WW mark - that's a loss of 10 or so from the bottom. Can Dave and Wally get that pig back down faster than the folks whose heads aren't attached to their necks?

RCYC Afterguard:

[MR.CLEAN]

A solid 18 knot puff just rolled through. Boats are splitting halfway down the mark, but it looks like HB is going the wrong way. This one's in the bag, folks.

Canadaliens 1, USAnians 0.

Another 5 minutes until the finish.

[Hollywood]

A solid 18 knot puff just rolled through. Boats are splitting halfway down the mark, but it looks like HB is going the wrong way. This one's in the bag, folks.

Canadaliens 1, USAnians 0.

Another 5 minutes until the finish.

"Oh Canada!"

[SailDry]

"Oh Canada!"

Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide, O Canada,
We stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

[Motley]

Ive been tracking a ferry from the island to the mainland for about 2 hrs now
She doesn't seem to be moving?????

[MR.CLEAN]

Cricket sounds...............

fyi - Ionearth is able to handle the viewers for the Baja 500 and 1000. As many viewers as we can muster, this ain't no Baja 1000. The guys are doing their best.

Cheers and horns for Alex Alphabet and the Honourable bunch. Sailed a great race, and the RC is working the course already. They're pushing for three today, no doubt about that.

Pics coming.

[Hollywood]

Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide, O Canada,
We stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

Thanks Todd

Been here so long now I had forgotten the rest

hehe

[LateNite]

fyi - Ionearth is able to handle the viewers for the Baja 500 and 1000. As many viewers as we can muster, this ain't no Baja 1000. The guys are doing their best.

...

Understand it's new technology, Would like to help anyone make this work.

Since I don't want to distract/dilute this thead, Maybe start another thread in GA?

[MR.CLEAN]

Bonus video of Canada's best, at the finish. Great job!

http://www.youtube.com/v/krfQ3xEa2Ug

[jethro]

Anyone .... anyone....?

[MR.CLEAN]

5 MINUTES TO A WARNING. RACE 2

Start photos, Race 1:

More start photos, Race 1.

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[MR.CLEAN]

Jesus, I think I see three dozen SA'ers on this thread that I've raced with before. This is very cool - I'm sorry that we're having issues with the tracker, but it's nice to be able to share this with y'all. Even the cuzzy bros from the northland.

[MR.CLEAN]

3 minutes until the 10-minute warning. Course is 315 degrees, 1.5 mi legs. I'm going to go out and videotape again, and while it downloads, I'll tell you what happened.

[MR.CLEAN]

If anyone wants a high-res photo from the event, feel free to e-mail meredith. By the way, our own website, which is easily the biggest piece of crap in the world, is almost done, and really gorgeous. Bora, you're on our front page background on foils, remember that pic backlit by the sun? I've got a nickel for you in royalties.

[Motley]

Did Russ give up yet ???

Cement shoes are in order if he did

[MR.CLEAN]

WARNING ON - I'm gone. See ya in a few.

[Old Goat]

You are doing a great job! The Lions could use you as the "Play by Play" Man!

[Free Flight]

Love the video comments, and the coverage. Tracker would be nice, but doesn't seem to be fixable...

North-West wind is probably running with a fairly decent oscillation coming from shoreside. Good conditions for the homeboys.

[big chicken]

5 MINUTES TO A WARNING. RACE 2

Start photos, Race 1:

More start photos, Race 1.

Some interesting hiking on Honour before that start.

[Sandstone]

Clean, think about live streaming audio or video......... That would be better than ionearth at this point. Congratulations to Honour on Race 1.

[bowchick007]

Jesus, I think I see three dozen SA'ers on this thread that I've raced with before. This is very cool - I'm sorry that we're having issues with the tracker, but it's nice to be able to share this with y'all. Even the cuzzy bros from the northland.

Who do you race with?

[5degrees]

“Never, never leave your wing man!”

And always cover your competition when you have the lead.

Can’t wait to hear their rational from HB for not covering on the opponents home course.

[Motley]

“Never, never leave your wing man!”

And always cover your competition when you have the lead.

Can’t wait to hear their rational from HB for not covering on the opponents home course.

Words to live by Gentlemen

[Big Show]

If anyone has a good answer to my question, I'll take back everything I've said about BH and his apparent stupidity.

I know one thing, match racing is a team sport and last time I checked BH is/was but one member of Team HB. The guys helming are amateurs and while experienced they are still weekend warriors. They don't get paid to sail. They pay. Their responsibility is to make the boat go as fast as their ability will allow and to act on the information fed from the pro tactician and main trimmer.

Who knows why a boat splits? Shift, pressure, a bad wave so it's slow to tack and cover, etc... It happens.

I'm always amazed how calls that seem so apparent to those in a coach boat or an actual armchair really aren't so glaringly apparent while on the water actually racing.

[kctpendragon]

Great job Clean...I know a few people who are just glued to thier computers. Keep it up!

[Ren]

I know one thing, match racing is a team sport and last time I checked BH is/was but one member of Team HB. The guys helming are amateurs and while experienced they are still weekend warriors. They don't get paid to sail. They pay. Their responsibility is to make the boat go as fast as their ability will allow and to act on the information fed from the pro tactician and main trimmer.

Who knows why a boat splits? Shift, pressure, a bad wave so it's slow to tack and cover, etc... It happens.

I'm always amazed how calls that seem so apparent to those in a coach boat or an actual armchair really aren't so glaringly apparent while on the water actually racing.

Your logic and truthfulness have no place here! Be gone!!

[MR.CLEAN]

Heartbreaker gets about a half-boatlength lead at the start by catching a shift that Honour seemed to miss. Some really close-in maneuvring, with no team getting a huge advantage until 5 seconds before the gun. Good, solid match racing start by BH.

Meanwhile, the conventional wisdom - that BH would suffer during the starts, and that the RCYC would suffer from boatspeed, seems to not be the case. Quite the opposite, actually.

Wind is getting really shift, possibly before the forecast backing comes in...

Full video of pre-start uploading now.

[KTB]

I know one thing, match racing is a team sport and last time I checked BH is/was but one member of Team HB. The guys helming are amateurs and while experienced they are still weekend warriors. They don't get paid to sail. They pay. Their responsibility is to make the boat go as fast as their ability will allow and to act on the information fed from the pro tactician and main trimmer.

Who knows why a boat splits? Shift, pressure, a bad wave so it's slow to tack and cover, etc... It happens.

I'm always amazed how calls that seem so apparent to those in a coach boat or an actual armchair really aren't so glaringly apparent while on the water actually racing.

He's the checkwriting member of a team that's now fucked this up at least twice in the last three Canada's Cups, with at least two different tacticians, and one of those fuck-ups cost the U.S. (and Bayview) the Cup. Whether the fuck up is the tactician's fault or not, how many times do you have to make a mistake before you cease from making it again?

Okay, instead of "BH is stupid and you fix that," "DD is stupid and you can't fix it."

Rant over. It's obvious my under-developed Detroit sized brain can't comprehend the overwhelming logic and intelligence of Western Michigan's Golden Child Bob Hughes and Dave "Let me fuck this up one more time" Dellenbaugh.

Final Edit: I just want to see the US win this thing back. Go the Heartbreaker.

[barleymalt]

Take the shitfight elsewhere, save this for on the water reporting.

[flaps15]

Children, behave yourselves and watch the nice sailboats. Here are your juicepops.

[tronner]

He's the checkwriting member of a team that's now fucked this up at least twice in the last three Canada's Cups, with at least two different tacticians, and one of those fuck-ups cost the U.S. (and Bayview) the Cup. Whether the fuck up is the tactician's fault or not, how many times do you have to make a mistake before you cease from making it again?

Okay, instead of "BH is stupid and you fix that," "DD is stupid and you can't fix it."

Rant over. It's obvious my under-developed Detroit sized brain can't comprehend the overwhelming logic and intelligence of Western Michigan's Golden Child Bob Hughes and Dave "Let me fuck this up one more time" Dellenbaugh.

Final Edit: I just want to see the US win this thing back. Go the Heartbreaker.

Fast needs a hug...or something... for fucks sakes.

[MR.CLEAN]

This race is already a very different story - HB with a nice three BL lead, covering Honour well. Honour just took a tack to clear their air about halfway up, straight into a header. HB looking very pretty.

Holy CRAP. HB with a 30 plus degree knock, Honour without it...they're back in it!

[Bowgirl]

Looked out the office window ... can't see a damned thing. Probably just as well since I'm supposed to be busy

Good thing you guys are writing about it! Nicely done.

[WHYME]

Fast needs a hug...or something... for fucks sakes.

Fuck the hug Fastr needs to get his ass to class

[KTB]

Fuck the hug Fastr needs to get his ass to class

I'm in class right now, and it's fucking boring me. Torts is not that difficult to comprehend. Simple: The Court system has been perverted to the point that stupid people are now protected from themselves, forcing well-meaning people to pay for their fuck ups.

Now leave me alone while I sulk!

I need a drink.

[MR.CLEAN]

Finish Pics, Race 1:


Heartbreaker is leading by over a minute at the top mark.

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[MR.CLEAN]

Well, the RC has reset to 300, there's the left shift. I just spoke to Jerry from IonEarth at length. He's far more frustrated than we are. Essentially, the units that are sending the data up to the Iridium system are sending data calibrated to the West Coast. The only way to fix it is to remove all the units from the boats and marks, plug them into a computer, reprogram them, and recalibrate them. That would obviously preclude any more tracking today. Instead, his techs (two or three of them now) are writing a program to translate what the units are saying into something that the web browsers will accept. That's how I understand it anyway.

The other reason that we can't get the units off is that we don't want to - they are still recording and sending information, just not what the browser and the MS world interface can read. That information will be translated later into recorded races, and we should have the whole thing available by tonight. Fingers crossed...

Jerry is cool, his sis-in-law is an SA lurker than many of y'all know, and he's a TC dude with a geeky mind and a love for being outdoors. Let's cut him some slack - when you see how well it works, and how small these fucking things are, you'll understand why I'm so gung-ho on it.

That, and he's got them on all the Iditarod sleds...and you know how I like pups.

[Big Show]

Final Edit: I just want to see the US win this thing back. Go the Heartbreaker.

It's cool FastrSailr. That's the kind of encouragement that works. In his speech last night BH joked that he will have to join the RCYC if he doesn't win on this his third try.

It seems he's wise to the sort of homecoming another loss would bring. That ain't stupidity.

[MR.CLEAN]

This is some serious pre-starting! Vid...

Second Part of the Start - Sweet!

[MR.CLEAN]

Heartbreaker is up by 2:07 at the bottom mark. This one's a runaway so far, but it really is shifty as hell. There are about 28 spectator boats out right now.

[MR.CLEAN]

Another big left shift - down to 270 or so. No leverage though, USA still throwing a beatin' on Canuckville.

[MR.CLEAN]

So, I had a chance to sit with Peter Huston on the little launch out here. Peter is almost as prolific a writer as I am now, the difference is that he's been a force for change in racing for ages and ages. I have a lot of respect for Peter, even if he does come up with some off the wall ideas from time to time. He's the kind of dude who knows pretty precisely what's wrong with many of the systems that control and direct yacht racing, but he also knows the players and the politics, and often, just why things won't change.

But he keeps trying and trying...out of his little Buffalo Canoe Shack or whatever its called, he's trying.

Peter and a handful of others, including BYC's John Barbour, I think - are all here to watch the racing, and to discuss the future of the CanCup. We were chatting about how to reduce costs, and of course, he reads SA liberally. We both think that the 36.7 is a ridiculous boat for the CC.

Bring on the MUMM 30. Shit, call it the GL30!!

[SailDry]

We both think that the 36.7 is a ridiculous boat for the CC.

How about NA40's then? Barbour has an A and B boat ready to roll.

[bgulari]

give me my nickle. So lets see we want a fast boat with a symetrical kite.......

it is an oxymoron

[flaps15]

Whats wrong with the Farr 40's they're just big mumm 30's anyway.

Edit: re: post 158, sprit boats aren't good for match racing. imho

[sails call]

I had a chance to sit with Peter Huston on the little launch out here.

Wow - the illustrious Peter Huston and Mr. Clean sitting and talking. Next thing you know they'll bring in Dickie Greenleaf for a group hug.

[Chuck L]

FT 10's?

Are there any in Toronto yet?

Chuck

[Old Goat]

The CC used to be a design contest as well.

[MR.CLEAN]

Alright - took a little smoke break, kiddies, and GUESS WHAT?

Heartbreaker just crossed only 3 boatlengths ahead of Honour! Canada is showing some mad staying power here, and HB just seems to be playing somewhat fast and loose. Wind is down to 8-10 knots, sun is shining, it is a BEAUTIFUL day to watch some yacht racing!

[MR.CLEAN]

give me my nickle. So lets see we want a fast boat with a symetrical kite.......

it is an oxymoron

Who you calling a moron?

By the way, Honour just forced HB to tack away to the right. We're at the top mark, and I'm going to get video of the final mark.

[DRB2]

Been away from BYC for awhile...
But it seems to me some of the younger generation has been cleaning up in the match racing arena
Did they not win a sailoff against heartbreaker to try and bring the cup back to its rightful house at the
BYC bar or am I missing something????

[bgulari]

Been away from BYC for awhile...
But it seems to me some of the younger generation has been cleaning up in the match racing arena
Did they not win a sailoff against heartbreaker to try and bring the cup back to its rightful house at the
BYC bar or am I missing something????

def missing something

[tronner]

Been away from BYC for awhile...
But it seems to me some of the younger generation has been cleaning up in the match racing arena
Did they not win a sailoff against heartbreaker to try and bring the cup back to its rightful house at the
BYC bar or am I missing something????

yes...something like that.

[bgulari]

Who you calling a moron?

is that some type of self fullfilling desteny thing you have going

i wish my computer had a spellchecker like my phone

[Carrera]

Been away from BYC for awhile...
But it seems to me some of the younger generation has been cleaning up in the match racing arena
Did they not win a sailoff against heartbreaker to try and bring the cup back to its rightful house at the
BYC bar or am I missing something????

You're missing something

[Chuck L]

The CC used to be a design contest as well.

"Evergreen" was one of the last custom boats, right? That kind of went away with the two-tonner rule, I think. Custom boats would be worse than Farr 40s as far as expense -- this is supposed to be semi-amateur, not a war of wallets...

Anyhow, what's popular in the Great Lakes, not as expensive as an F40, maneuverable for match racing, but goes like hell? How about Sharks? (Kidding.) Do you save much by looking at say a 36-footer vs a 40? Where's the real expense in a CC effort -- sails, boat(s) or people?

[5degrees]

Here's a thought - Clean - put a call into these guys!

[dyslexic dog]

clean, how far to the finish?

[Free Flight]

"Evergreen" was one of the last custom boats, right? That kind of went away with the two-tonner rule, I think. Custom boats would be worse than Farr 40s as far as expense -- this is supposed to be semi-amateur, not a war of wallets...

Anyhow, what's popular in the Great Lakes, not as expensive as an F40, maneuverable for match racing, but goes like hell? How about Sharks? (Kidding.) Do you save much by looking at say a 36-footer vs a 40? Where's the real expense in a CC effort -- sails, boat(s) or people?

Do it in a Pearson Flyer, I have a team that will clean up.

[Bowgirl]

FT 10's?

Are there any in Toronto yet?

Chuck

At least 2 I believe.

[MR.CLEAN]

Delta is probably about 20 seconds now, Heartbreaker is doing their thing. It's low and slow, and they're just a few minutes from a horn.

[Helm Hog]

Take the drivel and chit chat elsewhere! I think CLEAN has the floor...

[L Z]

Clean, Videos are great but the wizzing sound of the wind on you cam mike sucks. Get a piece of foamy and tape it over it so we can hear you talk smack!

What's teh score now? Did BH get the second race?

BTW, say Hi to Peter Huston and Com. Barbour for me.

LZ

[MR.CLEAN]

You guys are just not going to believe this. I almost want to wait until the video is downloaded to show you....Heartbreaker loses in the last hundred yards - sailed into a hole, Honour went over them, and it's over!!!

TWO-NOTHING CANUCKS are well on their way...Mer got some awesome pics, hang tight. We're almost speechless. Almost.

[Free Flight]

[MR.CLEAN]

Seriously, guys. That was the second-most exciting finish I've ever seen. The first was TNZ-Alinghi, obviously.

Vids, Pics on their way.

[Tax Man]

Cool, way to go guys.

And what were the odds when this started?

[MR.CLEAN]

Quick question - Are ALL the Hollerbachs watching this? Mer added: Do ANY of you work?

If Heartbreaker continues to show this inferior boatspeed, especially now that it's light...well, let's just say that CVT, et.al - it's time to dust off your typewriters and call your Commodore and put together a letter of challenge.

I'm not counting him out just yet. I watched HB with Wally and Bill Hardesty come back guns blazing a few years back...c'mon USA!

[flaps15]

Pulled a New Zealand did they?

[opinionated]

Clean: thanks for the coverage. Too bad the position sending units aren't working as planned. Those seem to work well. We had one during PH-Mac this year.

[MR.CLEAN]

Clean, Videos are great but the wizzing sound of the wind on you cam mike sucks. Get a piece of foamy and tape it over it so we can hear you talk smack!



LZ

That's not the wind. That's my dick dragging in the water.

[5degrees]

Clean - How about some details for us poor saps sitting in our cubes!

Something like

"Heartbreaker has a 20sec. lead at the last windward mark.

They do a gybe set at the mark

go to the right side of the course

it paid off last time/ it's favored/ the breeze is stronger

they gybed back to cover their competition!

they gybed back again to keep the finish line between them and the Canadian boat.

They're playing all the shifts and puffs perfectly down the course

Oh, no - they sailed into a hole and where passed in the last hundred yards!"

Give us some "LUV" brother.

5D

[L Z]

That's not the wind. That's my dick dragging in the water.

Time to stop dragging and wheel it in. We can't hear you talk!

Hate to see BH behind but new they would have a hard time with Gavin being on Honour. Hes awesome and will not give you an inch. BH and DD better step up the game a few notches.

And don't discount it... we may just have a Challenge (COR) letter ready in a back pocket somewhere in TO, just in case...

[Mr. Potato Head]

Just Talked to J.M. at ionearth. Aquiring data on the boats. Glitch in the up-lode. Will be able to do replays of all races tonight. Should be fixed by morning. Please be patient. I have seen this stuff work. It is awesome!

[Goldfinger]

Way to go Honour. My shoulder is happy.

Keep it rollin'....

BTW: The boat name 'Honour' is spelled incorrectly on the IonEarth site. If it were the usage of the word, it would be an argument. It's a proper name - spell it right.

- Goldfinger.

[MR.CLEAN]

TWO MINUTES until the warning for the third and final race. Videos from start of last one are loading, and I'm backlogged on pics from Mer. We're getting to the start.

5D - I'll see what I can do. I'm focusing more on getting the visuals to you all, but if you want more color commentary, I can try to do it. We're in a massive boat, not so maneuverable, so it's not ideal for close analysis...

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[MR.CLEAN]

Here's the final mark rounding from race 2 to keep you entertained: http://www.youtube.com/v/XZf9KB76dks

RC is re-setting, wind is back to the NW.

[MR.CLEAN]

Here's a video that should make you all laugh - this is when Honour passed HB on the final leg of race two, but that's not what is funny.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=-GwqERcC4VE

And the pics are from the start of Race 2

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[MR.CLEAN]

And this is the end of the race right here: http://www.youtube.com/v/6uHD_aSSGag

It may take a minute to process.

While we're waiting for them to re-set, please weigh in with respect to whether you prefer pics, vids, or typing. I'd rather put my effort into the thing that most of you want to see, although I like the multi-pronged approach, as it seems like a richer way to watch. I'll review them later.

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[MR.CLEAN]

1.4 miles, 8 minutes to the start. Going back for the video.

[barleymalt]

typing for now. The refresh is so slow it's timing out a lot

[Shife]

typing for now. The refresh is so slow it's timing out a lot

This is drawing in way more viewers than I thought it would. Keep it coming, Clean.

[LateNite]

... please weigh in with respect to whether you prefer pics, vids, or typing. ...

Online comments as it happens, backed up by video and then the pictures

I really really like the video (Great stuff btw) but realize there always will be a significant delay and only so much you can upload. The on line comments give me a sense of what is happening in the race and it puts the video in context.

[MR.CLEAN]

That was a fairly uneventful start. Bob Hughes is definitely not as aggressive as he was earlier today. Whether he's demoralized or tired, who knows.

[Goldfinger]

Just thinking about that last race....

Getting passed at the finish by a boat that rounded far behind.

Poor Dellenbaugh. It's the 1995 nightmare all over again.

[MR.CLEAN]

Online comments as it happens, backed up by video and then the pictures

The problem is this: I can't comment while I'm shooting video, nor can Mer while she shoots...I have to sacrifice the video to comment as it happens. Keep 'em coming.

Shife - realize that to lots of GL'ers, the CC is the real deal. People can get all loud about the Richardson Cup, but it ain't the same.

BTW - Can you order me that differential pinion seal kit? Plus, I think I still owe you some cash...see ya in a few days?

[MR.CLEAN]

RACE ABANDONED, with a big shift to the left at the gun. The RC is resetting right now.

My head feels like I've getting hit with a bat for a week, and the breeze is back on at the moment. It's getting chilly, too. Maybe they'll send us in so I can drink myself to sleep.