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[Holdmycourse!]

diiferent gybes...split time?

ahh HB now covers

DD will split with them before this is over.

[Slyguy]

Is this to the finish?

[MR.CLEAN]

Here's the rounding from the top of the second beat.

Course change to 285 - Heartbreaker with an early drop and rounding, 30 boatlengths ahead.

[Impact]

or 30 seconds...?

[MR.CLEAN]

What ION should do is put a dotted line displaying separation distance, and then a dotten line from each bow to the next mark. Then a arrow at the comittee boat displaying wind speed & direction. That would be the shit. This is just a complete tease....

Russ and Jerry are reading this thread, just make your suggestions. I think it's better than "just a tease" but there is still a lot to be done. The point of the exercise is to figure out how to make it as perfect as possible for fans of yacht racing, and to keep the equipment requirements very minimal.

Sorry - 45 seconds ahead at the mark - not 30 BL's. I'm relying on spotters for much of my info, and my bride left me for a faster boat.

[dprobable]

damn but that video is really transparent...........

[MR.CLEAN]

Race 5, 2 minutes to the start: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=K6e4HasaLzY

Christ - given the volume of people watching this on a Sunday, we are going to need to streamline the coverage for tomorrow, when everyone's at work. Let's hope the servers don't melt down.

[Sandstone]

Race 5, 2 minutes to the start: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=K6e4HasaLzY

Christ - given the volume of people watching this on a Sunday, we are going to need to streamline the coverage for tomorrow, when everyone's at work. Let's hope the servers don't melt down.

A little late know, but look into streaming audio or video for events such as this. Kepp it less of a professional production and more Gonzo in complete SA fashion. Then the servers would burn up. All good just he same.

[MR.CLEAN]

damn but that video is really transparent...........

I haven't watched it - what do you mean by that?

[MR.CLEAN]

A little late know, but look into streaming audio or video for events such as this. Kepp it less of a professional production and more Gonzo in complete SA fashion. Then the servers would burn up. All good just he same.

The problem with streaming is that it only works when the connection is reliable - which it pretty much isn't at most events we've been to.

Are you saying that this is a professional production?

[Orphan]

Clean--why do I always need to hit the refresh button to see the progress of the race? I get it really nice & in 3-D, but no progress, then I have to hit refresh, then hit the 3-D and zoom in all over again? Anyone else have this problem?

[dprobable]

I haven't watched it - what do you mean by that?

means it didn't exist when I posted........Mr. Clean was much better on day one! Kinda outa it today.

[MR.CLEAN]

Heartbreaker is comfortably in the lead, taking it to the finish in less than a minute. Three to Two, baby...it's back on!


Pics are by my lovely lady, and race 4.

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[Slyguy]

Looks like HB is closing in on win #2. Quick, there is still time to screw it up!!

[Sandstone]

The problem with streaming is that it only works when the connection is reliable - which it pretty much isn't at most events we've been to.

Are you saying that this is a professional production?

NO!!!! Did I just give you a big head? Clean what you are doing is exactly what this sport needs, less of a pro production, smaller venues, and more live in the thick of it. BTW, a satellite feed to the local server would solve most connection issues.

Something like ion with a video split screen would be cool.

[jazzdog]

Clean--why do I always need to hit the refresh button to see the progress of the race? I get it really nice & in 3-D, but no progress, then I have to hit refresh, then hit the 3-D and zoom in all over again? Anyone else have this problem?

Have the same issue - seems to get worse with zoom & 3D. Best luck so far is using mozilla in 2D mode & only zoom to 1KM

[Impact]

I'm running 2 PCs. IE6 browser needs manual refresh. IE7 browser self refreshes beautifully. Upgrade your MS browaser and you should be good.

Good work IonEarth guys!

[MR.CLEAN]

Mr. Clean was much better on day one! Kinda outa it today.

Thanks for noticing. Mr. Clean is feeling a bit under the weather - 8 days without a full night's sleep will do that to ya.

Youtube takes a few minutes to process videos, I put the link up when I post them, but the link doesn't go live for 5 minutes or so.

Interestingly - if Heartbreaker were to win the next race, the teams could agree to go in, then leave monday as a single, winner-take-all race. I don't think they'll go that way, but it'd be a fun twist. We'll see what happens shortly.

I'll get the whole start on this video, ya whiny bitches.

[MR.CLEAN]

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[SparxFly]

Have the same issue - seems to get worse with zoom & 3D. Best luck so far is using mozilla in 2D mode & only zoom to 1KM

Agree, 2 D is the way to go. I am finding that the updates stop after a few iterations, even when I leave the zoom alone. I think the default zoom should be on the order of 300-400 meters... That way you see the whole course and can get a better idea of the positioning.

Also, I noticed on the weather legs that when there's an update some of the existing courses (the red / blue tracing lines) seem to change as well. Can't figure out why this might happen. I didn't have the focus on either of the boats (where the application keeps that boat in the middle of the screen.)

I appreciate the efforts being made to get the job done... Thanks for being there!

Sparx

[wiggum]

Clean,

I lost interest in Sailing Anarchy a few years ago, but ths OTW forum and your coverage has brought me back. AWESOME coverage: the commentary, photos, videos, and live tracking have been great.

Thanks for pulling this together. The organizers of the Canada's Cup owe you some gratitude for bringng this regatta to the masses.

Great racing, too. I expected Honour to struggle with the wheel (especially on the start), but that doesn't appear to have limited them too badly.

[dprobable]

absolutely excellent coverage, all things considered.........during a/c LV Acts we couldn't get anything in Canada due to evil CRTC and VERSUS........we were not even allowed to subscribe to Sail Tv or the A/C official site to get the computer feed of graphic rendition........nada.......keep it up Clean.

[J35M8]

Have the same issue - seems to get worse with zoom & 3D. Best luck so far is using mozilla in 2D mode & only zoom to 1KM

DITTO... Checked for java update and found I needed one... Much more stable now!
Running ION in IE7 and SA OTW forum in FF.

[MR.CLEAN]

As M8 said - there's some javascript in IonE, so an update is a good idea. Also, Russ made some changes to the code, you'll have to refresh to get them - that help the refresh work a little better, as well as fixing the "disappearing boat" issue.

We're near an attention signal...

[MR.CLEAN]

Thanks for the great feedback. You've all been very helpful to Jerry and Russ - and I hope you can see the same potential in this stuff that I do. I tried to get these guys to Detroit for Melges 24 Nationals, but they weren't quite ready. I think that they will be now that they understand the game better.

Attention signal in 3 minutes, and I promise to get the whole sequence from 5 down.

[flaps15]

funny how the rcyc website got race 4 up so fast and race 5 hasn't been posted yet

[ratfiLe]

funny how the rcyc website got race 4 up so fast and race 5 hasn't been posted yet

oh stop whining and consider yourself lucky Terry isn't steering cuz this would be over already!!!

[L Z]

Interestingly - if Heartbreaker were to win the next race, the teams could agree to go in, then leave monday as a single, winner-take-all race. I don't think they'll go that way, but it'd be a fun twist. We'll see what happens shortly

Clean, probably a small correction but... I thought it was first to win 5 races not 4. If HB wind the next race they make it a 3-3 tie and would still have at least 2 races to go. Not a "single winner takes all race" tomorrow.

Unless, of course, I'm wrong...

[FINS]

OH no update / live tracking is dead!!!!!!

[Slyguy]

OH no update / live tracking is dead!!!!!!

Still working for me.

[Impact]

Series is first to win 5 races. However, racing must conclude by Monday. If tied at end of time limit Monday then tiebreaker is the last race.

[Sandstone]

Looks like Honour had a great start.

[MR.CLEAN]

Clean, probably a small correction but... I thought it was first to win 5 races not 4. If HB wind the next race they make it a 3-3 tie and would still have at least 2 races to go. Not a "single winner takes all race" tomorrow.

Unless, of course, I'm wrong...

I know that the rules do not specify this - the rules, in fact, specify that a minimum of four races is required to have a match. The competitors can choose to do most anything if they agree to it.

Exciting start - i'll let you guys watch it shortly. Big split, lots of separation, HB to the left, Honour to the right.

[Impact]

First cross to HB though

[Mr. Squirrel]

I have given up on the tracking. It may be my inet connection, but it has crashed on me 3 times (2x w/ FF, 1 w/ IE) in the last 10 mins. I will just read along and imagine the rest

MS

[FINS]

God Damb just got back from BYC after a morning memorial survace and no tracker.

[Impact]

tacking duel.
Honour keeps getting bounced back to the right

[flaps15]

Mine's working better than ever at 1km appears a tacking dual upwind with HB controlling.

[big chicken]

I have given up on the tracking. It may be my inet connection, but it has crashed on me 3 times (2x w/ FF, 1 w/ IE) in the last 10 mins. I will just read along and imagine the rest

MS

It must be your connection. Mine is working great, really interesting stuff watching it appear right before your eyes. Great job guys now that the bugs are getting worked out!

[MR.CLEAN]

Heartbreaker with a nice TIGHT cover on Honour, two BL's ahead at this point, about a minute out from the mark.

[Impact]

HB is on'er and off'er

[jeff carver]

damn but that video is really transparent...........

Clean once said here something like he is "into transparancy"
i can find it if i need to
carv

[MR.CLEAN]

30 second lead to Bob and the boys at the mark. Bouncing Honour to the right was the right move, and it still looks like HB just has more upwind speed, and hence, options.

Quick comment - my boy BT at Torreson Marine in Musketucky personally supervised the bottom job that Heartbreaker had in preparation for this event. Brian said that it was the most incredible bottom job he's ever seen. Torreson donated much of the cost of the bottom job to the Challenger team - and I'm too much of a slacker to get their logo on the website yet.

So two things: 1) If you want a real Grand Prix bottom job on your race boat and you're in Lake Michigan, it is damned obvious that they are able to make a one-design boat blazing fast (if rules allow) and 2) BT - e-mail me a Torreson logo for the site. Thanks.

[MR.CLEAN]

Poor RCYC guys are going after the Canadian yahoos that are sailing right through the course - first a big trimaran, then a little wite sailboat. The tri went to leeward of HB and to WW of Honour - maybe they were from Rochester

[Slyguy]

did hb just get passed?

[Impact]

nice gains to Honour downind

[MR.CLEAN]

VIDEO: Start of race 6

Good, exciting video from the start. Note that there was no penalty awarded in the incident just before the gun.

No animals were harmed during the shooting of this video.

[Impact]

looks like they threw the GPS transponder overboard

[MR.CLEAN]

HB just rounded 17 seconds ahead. Nice gains downwind to honour, wind seems a bit shiftier now. HB rounded and tacked, going well off to the right, honour rounded and is staying out to the left. Once again, there's a ton of separation, just a minute after the rounding. WTF?

[ratfiLe]

30 second lead to Bob and the boys at the mark. Bouncing Honour to the right was the right move, and it still looks like HB just has more upwind speed, and hence, options.

Quick comment - my boy BT at Torreson Marine in Musketucky personally supervised the bottom job that Heartbreaker had in preparation for this event. Brian said that it was the most incredible bottom job he's ever seen. Torreson donated much of the cost of the bottom job to the Challenger team - and I'm too much of a slacker to get their logo on the website yet.

So two things: 1) If you want a real Grand Prix bottom job on your race boat and you're in Lake Michigan, it is damned obvious that they are able to make a one-design boat blazing fast (if rules allow) and 2) BT - e-mail me a Torreson logo for the site. Thanks.

OH nice mr clean..... now lets put this into perspective..... Honor leads 3-2 at the moment and your selling bottom jobs for HB... hmmm. So u really think your boy at torreson has somethin do do with HB's performance?..... careful now cuz u torreson and HB may be eating some crow

hey i got an idea?.....bring your boat to Canada and get a real bottom put on at 1/2 the price

[Russ @ IonEarth.com]

What ION should do is put a dotted line displaying separation distance, and then a dotten line from each bow to the next mark. Then a arrow at the comittee boat displaying wind speed & direction. That would be the shit. This is just a complete tease....

Excellent suggestion. I can do the line drawing part without problems. The difficulty is figuring out which buoy is "next" an keeping tit all in sync. Right now it's a bit complicated when the far buoys change in the middle of the race. I'll see what I can do about the wind data.

Jerry and I are already discussing how to display such things for the next race.

Any other suggestion?

[Sandstone]

looks like they threw the GPS transponder overboard

Looks like thb quickly went to the 4th mode to pass based on Ion. hahahaha

[JDL]

Any other suggestion?

After racing please.

[dprobable]

OH nice mr clean..... now lets put this into perspective..... Honor leads 3-2 at the moment and your selling bottom jobs for HB... hmmm. So u really think your boy at torreson has somethin do do with HB's performance?..... careful now cuz u torreson and HB may be eating some crow

hey i got an idea?.....bring your boat to Canada and get a real bottom put on at 1/2 the price

pls forgive Ratfile as he is a newbie to Canada. Being from Britanniastan no doubt, he doesn't realize that everything in the US is half the price it costs in Canada......even with a par dollar.

[stevedallas]

Excellent suggestion. I can do the line drawing part without problems. The difficulty is figuring out which buoy is "next" an keeping tit all in sync. Right now it's a bit complicated when the far buoys change in the middle of the race. I'll see what I can do about the wind data.

Jerry and I are already discussing how to display such things for the next race.

Any other suggestion?

speed to hundredths of a knot would be helpful to compare boat speed (6 knots v 6 knots really dens't tell us much) Great work--this is awe inspiring!!

[MR.CLEAN]

This is a full-on tacking duel right now. Heartbreaker is matching Honour, as well as sailing a bit higher through the tacks.

[Impact]

tacking duel again. This time Honour on the left

[MR.CLEAN]

Not far from the mark - really beautiful little battle here. Honour is closing the gap nicely.

[Impact]

It's the speed from Honour's amateur bottom job!

[MR.CLEAN]

BIG error by Honour! Big error, tacked way too early, and couldn't lay the mark, had to complete two extra tacks to get around! 50 second delta.

[MR.CLEAN]

I can unequivocally say that the Torreson marine bottom job is the reason for the sudden increase in speed. I can literally see the tiny rocket engines that BT embedded in the paint shooting their flatulence off.

BTW - Torreson hasn't paid me or this broadcast a dime. They're just cool cats, and if Brian says he's never seen a better bottom job, I believe him.

No more newby posts, please. Especially if you're from the tundra.

Poor canucks - if Dave D will just stay between his man and the hoop, we're going to OVERTIME baby.

[Sandstone]

It looked as though Honour Dt'ed? is that what happened when they gained before the WM?

[stevedallas]

their bottom made the Canadians double tack?

[Sandstone]

their bottom made the Canadians double tack?

No, I was looking at ION at it looked as though Honour Dt'ed, separated , and gained before the WM. I am trying to determine whether or not ION's rendering is an accurate representation.


Anyone?

[flaps15]

GPS showing consistantly better boatspeed on HB


edit: Looks like a gun to me!

[stevedallas]

BIG error by Honour! Big error, tacked way too early, and couldn't lay the mark, had to complete two extra tacks to get around! 50 second delta.

looks like a dt to me. . .

[Mr. Squirrel]

Anybody got an update? Tracking wont work for me (crappy hotel wifi) and it has quiet for the last little bit

MS

[ratfiLe]

I can unequivocally say that the Torreson marine bottom job is the reason for the sudden increase in speed. I can literally see the tiny rocket engines that BT embedded in the paint shooting their flatulence off.

BTW - Torreson hasn't paid me or this broadcast a dime. They're just cool cats, and if Brian says he's never seen a better bottom job, I believe him.

No more newby posts, please. Especially if you're from the tundra.

Poor canucks - if Dave D will just stay between his man and the hoop, we're going to OVERTIME baby.

pfffft...... i'm a newbie cuz i don't drool over my keyboard for 8500+ posts... Lmao please time to ask yourself the big Q bud

[MR.CLEAN]

It was a dt, that's two times that Honour had to do that. Heartbreaker's lead was up to 50 seconds at the bottom mark, but they've given a bit back just to stay on top of Honour. 3/4 way up to the final mark, barring disaster it looks like Heartbreaker and Honour will be tied, with one race likely to follow. I've got to go off-line for a bit to charge the battery on the phone providing the web link. Be back in about a half-hour to put up pics of this race, and video of the start of the next, assuming we have one.

[fetzer24]

Well it just wouldn't be SA without some newbie dipwad talking smack.

Sweet coverage man. Never seen this many people logged on on a Sunday. Keep it comin.

Oh yeah.....Thanks for the plug....I'll get you a logo tomorrow....Better late than never.

BT

I can unequivocally say that the Torreson marine bottom job is the reason for the sudden increase in speed. I can literally see the tiny rocket engines that BT embedded in the paint shooting their flatulence off.

BTW - Torreson hasn't paid me or this broadcast a dime. They're just cool cats, and if Brian says he's never seen a better bottom job, I believe him.

No more newby posts, please. Especially if you're from the tundra.

Poor canucks - if Dave D will just stay between his man and the hoop, we're going to OVERTIME baby.

[Slyguy]

Anybody got an update? Tracking wont work for me (crappy hotel wifi) and it has quiet for the last little bit

MS

Approaching last WW mark. HB leading.

[MR.CLEAN]

Honour just double tacked the mark AGAIN. Dave D had a lot to answer for, and now Gavin will be doing the same.

Heartbreaker by a minute plus plus.

[stevedallas]

HB around mark, w/ 100+m lead, looks like a parade to the finish

[MR.CLEAN]

pfffft...... i'm a newbie cuz i don't drool over my keyboard for 8500+ posts... Lmao please time to ask yourself the big Q bud

Our bandwidth and time is far too fucking valuable for this shit, newb. Not only can I not understand what language you're speaking, but I don't have time or bandwidth for you. Shut the fuck up, and get back in your hole, or you're gone. Got it? Better idea - go and start a thread about what a douchebag I am. I'm serious about this.

[MR.CLEAN]

HB's gonna take this one by a third of a leg. Logging off to charge the phone. C ya. Newby - keep it zipped.

[Slyguy]

we going to get the 4th race in today?

[flaps15]

Canadians have closed the gap a bit, doesn't look like enough though.

[Orphan]

Boats moving in 2D and 3D now--very exciting!!! Not sure how you fixed it, but it works!!! Thank you to IonEarth and BlockSail for putting all of this together - very nice job ladies and gents

[Mr. Squirrel]

I hope they dont sail another one today. For one, I need to get some work done. For two, I think it would be better to start tomorrow all tied up. It will help build the drama...

MS

[flaps15]

Yeah, work, me too. Thanks to the ION Earth guys, Clean and Co. and Torreson Marine and all of the little people.

[Russ @ IonEarth.com]

Another race is probably pending. Just updated the site with wind speed and direction as reported by the committee boat.

[stripclubjunkie]

Thanks to the ION Earth guys, Clean and Co. and Torreson Marine and all of the little people.

Word - nice job kids, you've earned the drinks tonight...!

[FINS]

Update what's going on????

[stevedallas]

looks like a 4th race at 4:44???

[Mint]

From the squiggles it looks like Honour is ahead halfway to the first mark with Heartbreaker right on their ass.

[SparxFly]

Tracker shows that Honour won the start, was able to hold a windward position on starboard over HB and take them out past the port layline. Both are keeping noses above the mark for now...

[Chuck L]

From the squiggles it like Honour is ahead halfway to the first mark with Heartbreaker right on their ass.

Did Clean fall off the boat? Too bad, he does nice work.

Anyhow, yeah, it looks like it. Honour looking to round the first ww mark in the lead...

It'll be DARK at 7pm, so this is likely it for the day -- go Honour!

Does anyone else find that the tracking is really hogging system resources? If I close that tab I'm OK but the whole computer really bogs when it's open (not very new computer, but it didn't do this until today...)

[Mr. Squirrel]

Did Clean fall off the boat? Too bad, he does nice work.

Anyhow, yeah, it looks like it. Honour looking to round the first ww mark in the lead...

It'll be DARK at 7pm, so this is likely it for the day -- go Honour!

Does anyone else find that the tracking is really hogging system resources? If I close that tab I'm OK but the whole computer really bogs when it's open (not very new computer, but it didn't do this until today...)

Yeah, my laptop completely stops responding until I force IE or FF to close. Have given up on the tracking for now.

MS

[Chuck L]

Is HB really ahead now? What happened?

[Mint]

Does anyone else find that the tracking is really hogging system resources? If I close that tab I'm OK but the whole computer really bogs when it's open (not very new computer, but it didn't do this until today...)

The same things happens to me. I have to close Firefox once and a while.

Looks like Honour pulled a bit on Heartbreaker coming up to the leeward mark.

[Chuck L]

That's it, I'm firing-up the laptop, too.

What happened to Honour????

Someone fish Clean out of the drink!

[ratfiLe]

Our bandwidth and time is far too fucking valuable for this shit, newb. Not only can I not understand what language you're speaking, but I don't have time or bandwidth for you. Shut the fuck up, and get back in your hole, or you're gone. Got it? Better idea - go and start a thread about what a douchebag I am. I'm serious about this.

i'm a douchebag cuz i put one line down and u feel threatened? wtf.... get a life u quiff and next time u cross the border u better declare your ass, cuz by the time i get thru reaming u a new one it'll be declared a national treasure!! STUYA fawktard

[SparxFly]

Yes, system resources (processor) are definitely being utilized... My dual processor system shows 50% utilization to IE 6 most of the time.

Both boats are doing 9-10 knots heading straight for pins... If tracker is right then I predict a course change.

[jazzdog]

Is HB really ahead now? What happened?

Looks like there was a right shift last 1/4 of upwind leg, they are going straight at the LW doing 9's & 10's w/ H narrowly in the lead if I believe my browser

[Bowgirl]

Tracker shows note-to-nose.

Helm Hog? Did you push Clean in? C'mon - colour commentary PLEASE!

[usa1234]

Canada by 20 seconds at the 2nd mark

[J35M8]

Is HB really ahead now? What happened?

No need to panic. There are real life passes and then there are technical glitches that look like passes.
ionE will report the last position it got, even if it's old, until it gets a new one. Someone probably sat on the black box!
Looks like a great deciding race!

[Chuck L]

Tracker shows note-to-nose.

Helm Hog? Did you push Clean in? C'mon - colour commentary PLEASE!

Looks like HB got the pole down and tacked faster.

This 'marks to starboard' thing is weird -- but yeah, looks like a 40 degree right shift. It's a drag race now until they get the next ww mark moved -- hope it doesn't shift more -- WAIT -- a new mark just appeared and is moving up the course (on a crash boat?)

[Russ @ IonEarth.com]

Did Clean fall off the boat? Too bad, he does nice work.

Anyhow, yeah, it looks like it. Honour looking to round the first ww mark in the lead...

It'll be DARK at 7pm, so this is likely it for the day -- go Honour!

Does anyone else find that the tracking is really hogging system resources? If I close that tab I'm OK but the whole computer really bogs when it's open (not very new computer, but it didn't do this until today...)

I see what I can do about reducing system resources used. The system used to stop working quite often yesterday so that would have stopped using any cpu resources. ;o)

PM me with your computer configuration and I'll see if I can find a similar computer to test with.

[MR.CLEAN]

It wasn't that Honour pushed HB out - it was a 25 degree shift that put both boats past the layline.

The Race Committee somehow "missed" it, even with both competitors reaching, pole on the headstay, for the entire "downwind" leg. All a big infuriating - a one-tack upwind and a zero-tack downwind does not a match-race make.

Great start sequence, HB won it by a bit, but the shift made it all academic.