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#1 Starballs

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 04:00 AM

Hey guys I'm new to the forum and just joined the crew on the 82' Mull, Sorcery. I was just wondering if I can get some info on the history of the boat etc. I'm just interested personally. Thanks.

Btw I'm not one of the "from rook to offshore pro in 7 days" sucess stories. We actually have a crew of expirienced guys, many on maxi's. 1st regatta is this weekend and we're on for the Pac Cup yadda yadda...

Thanks again.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 04:09 AM

one word; search engine

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 04:11 AM

yea tried that

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 04:11 AM

No clue...sounds like a good ride.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 04:14 AM

search on Sorcery, and jake wood

and learn how to splice wire to rope, and stay out of the triangles of death

carry band aids

oh - and find out how the depth gauge works

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 04:22 AM

search on Sorcery, and jake wood

and learn how to splice wire to rope, and stay out of the triangles of death

carry band aids

oh - and find out how the depth gauge works

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Got the wire to rope splice down. Shit...I need banaids. Yea unfourtunately I missed the day of practicing our hiking techniques on port tack.


Thanks Pete

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 04:35 AM

What's it rate? I heard something above zero - is that true (PHRF)?

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 04:46 AM

It's somewhere in the neighborhood of -70

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 04:50 AM

I sailed on Sorcery off and on for a few years, MEXORC, Catalina Races, etc. When Jake Wood died I did a thread on SA looking for stories and got some good ones. I don't know how to paste it here but if you do "search" at the top of this page and put in Jake Wood and look for my thread you will find it and see some good history posts and photos. The boat and Jake have a great history and I am glad she has a new and active owner. My times on her were always challenging and epic .

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 04:51 AM

I worked on building Sorcery in the back of Jakes' shop. Started there just after the hull and deck were plated and went thru to the launch. First time I met Jake I thought he had wandered in from the street, lost. He had a tall can of Coors and a cigarette, three days beard, hawaiian shirt, shorts and flip flops. He was a good man. It is always nice to know that Sorcery is well cared for.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 04:53 AM

1. its big
2. its old
3. everything is highly loaded.
4. You need to be a big strong lad to pull on anything
5. if you touch wire you are doing something wrong.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 04:54 AM

I sailed on Sorcery off and on for a few years, MEXORC, Catalina Races, etc. When Jake Wood died I did a thread on SA looking for stories and got some good ones. I don't know how to paste it here but if you do "search" at the top of this page and put in Jake Wood and look for my thread you will find it and see some good history posts and photos. The boat and Jake have a great history and I am glad she has a new and active owner. My times on her were always challenging and epic .


Thanks Janer, I just found that one. Awesome stories and great shots. Also John Walker, the new owner, is planing on replacing the spars, rigging and others before the Pac Cup. There's also talk of Sydney to Hobart thereafter.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 04:57 AM

It's somewhere in the neighborhood of -70


Thanks, my bad - I knew she was faster, just a little tired today. -70 seems aggressive though - I think she lives in the - 45 range or so - could be wrong again though. Have a great time on her this season. We raced against her in PV during Mexorc quite a few years ago, she likes the breeze and long legs.......

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 05:02 AM

Hey guys I'm new to the forum and just joined the crew on the 82' Mull, Sorcery. I was just wondering if I can get some info on the history of the boat etc. I'm just interested personally. Thanks.

Btw I'm not one of the "from rook to offshore pro in 7 days" sucess stories. We actually have a crew of expirienced guys, many on maxi's. 1st regatta is this weekend and we're on for the Pac Cup yadda yadda...

Thanks again.


I don't know if you are part of the new Sorcery Ocean Racing Team but they have a history page on their website.

Will you be sailing with the "rooks to offshore pros in 7 days" that the Sorecery Ocean Racing Team is trying to recruit?

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 05:24 AM

Well it seems like John is trying to make the boat into a kind of corporate-teambuilding platform. He wants some experienced crew and others who have no idea. We tried that and after some, shall we say mishaps (pit guy dropped the spin pole onto the deck during a gybe, nearly breaking my...everything), it's kinda phasing out. All of the guys aboard are solid sailors. I'm deffinately excited.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 02:31 PM

Sorcery is not the boat for Newbies. It's scarey enough with well experienced crew. If you are going to train Newbs you better have a doctor on board and have them all sign waivers. Just sayin'

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 03:26 PM

Hey guys I'm new to the forum and just joined the crew on the 82' Mull, Sorcery. I was just wondering if I can get some info on the history of the boat etc. I'm just interested personally. Thanks.

Btw I'm not one of the "from rook to offshore pro in 7 days" sucess stories. We actually have a crew of expirienced guys, many on maxi's. 1st regatta is this weekend and we're on for the Pac Cup yadda yadda...

Thanks again.



do you have a "Sorcery Ocean Racing Certificate of Competence"? It's "recognised" worldwide, you know

http://www.sorceryoceanracing.com/

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 04:35 PM

Holy Crap Starballs...I just looked at that sorceryoceanracing website. The skippy better clean that up or he'll get laughed out of town and he will be compared to Reid Ho and the cheese scow.

Predicting a win in Sydney to Hobart with a rookie crew? Now there's a death wish. "Sorcery Certificate of Competence" recognized world wide? This is all pretty funny, but I have the feeling the new owner is serious. Maybe you can get him to change it before too many Anarchists see it and he becomes the new SA pin cushion. Seriously.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 05:26 PM

Holy Crap Starballs...I just looked at that sorceryoceanracing website. The skippy better clean that up or he'll get laughed out of town and he will be compared to Reid Ho and the cheese scow.

Predicting a win in Sydney to Hobart with a rookie crew? Now there's a death wish. "Sorcery Certificate of Competence" recognized world wide? This is all pretty funny, but I have the feeling the new owner is serious. Maybe you can get him to change it before too many Anarchists see it and he becomes the new SA pin cushion. Seriously.



Pin cushion? The guy buys a legendary Maxi, offers to show it to any and everyone that shows up at his marina, and offers up crew positions to pretty much whoever wants them. He may or may not be a bit naive when it comes to the powers of an IOR maxi, but he sounds like a good bloke and a true Anarchist to me.

Then again, I may be totally wrong. Come to think of it, I suspect that I am. Carry on then.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 05:31 PM

The guy buys a legendary Maxi, offers to show it to any and everyone that shows up at his marina, and offers up crew positions to pretty much whoever wants them.

For a price...

"If you really think you've got it in you, then click here to email:
RacingALegend@SorceryOceanRacing.com
for full details and prices"

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 05:36 PM

Pin cushion? I think not. The guy buys a legendary Maxi, offers to show it to any and everyone that shows up at his marina, and offers up crew positions to pretty much whoever wants them. He may or may not be a bit naive when it comes to the powers of an IOR maxi, but he sounds like a good bloke and a true Anarchist to me.



Anarchist or - my pick - sadist. Those IOR boats LOAD UP and shit breaks and hurts people. They also go all squirrelly downhill. Seriously bad idea to throw any and all on board and go race.

There are two "maxi's" (The IOR Obsession and SC-70 Neptune's Car) in Seattle that take out passengers who can crew a bit and they keep it to the #3 and I've never seen them go out in much more than 15 knots. When they race, its only on the SC-70 and they have sailors on board with maybe a couple of newbies.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 06:29 PM

I got to work and race on Sorcery while she was in Newport in the early nineties. All I can say is she does not surf. She digs great deep holes in the water and blows the guy out of the pole regularly at 18 knots.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 06:32 PM

So you're saying that the remark on their web site about 'surfing down waves at 25 plus knots' is likely to be true on one wave only, just before everything explodes?

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 06:34 PM

If she goes 25 knots it's probably straight down the mine shaft and not coming back.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 06:37 PM

For a price...

"If you really think you've got it in you, then click here to email:
RacingALegend@SorceryOceanRacing.com
for full details and prices"


Ah, yes, the catch.

You guys are right, this does not seem like a good idea.

I've sailed on Sorcery, and very much doubt that she has reached 30 knots as that web page suggests. I also doubt that presenting the "Sorcery Ocean Racing Certificate of Competence" to the owners of any new Maxi/Supermaxi will get you a spot on board ;)

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 08:08 PM

I also doubt that presenting the "Sorcery Ocean Racing Certificate of Competence" to the owners of any new Maxi/Supermaxi will get you a spot on board ;)



Why would that be?










Oh yeah, 'cuz you'd need to have at least one hand remaining to hold the cert----got it...............

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 08:42 PM

Thanks Janer, I just found that one. Awesome stories and great shots. Also John Walker, the new owner, is planing on replacing the spars, rigging and others before the Pac Cup. There's also talk of Sydney to Hobart thereafter.


Un-fuck-ing Believable!!!

Another schmuck who thinks he can actually make money from an IOR Maxi in the US?

And to replace Alanís rig is just an absolute fucking crime.

It is a race to see if you guys go to jail for manslaughter or rigslaughter.

Un-fuck-ing Believable!!!

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 08:49 PM

There maybe trouble ahead <_<

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 09:49 PM

Yep.
Well I warned him.
I like the part where you can do the 2008 Sydney Hobart..
"You don't have to be experienced. Will give you all the training you need in 7 days
before the race".

Oh dear God.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 10:19 PM

Where IOR maxis go to die in Oz

They sail around the Whitsundays with 3 reefs and storm jibs, it's the only way to keep the passengers safe.

Might be a good home for Sorcery if it makes it here for the '08 Hobart (after the coronial inquest into the death of some crew members that is!!)

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 10:25 PM

Ah, yes, the catch.

You guys are right, this does not seem like a good idea.

I've sailed on Sorcery, and very much doubt that she has reached 30 knots as that web page suggests. I also doubt that presenting the "Sorcery Ocean Racing Certificate of Competence" to the owners of any new Maxi/Supermaxi will get you a spot on board ;)


Sorcery didn't do 30 knots on the flat bed on the Freeway from Republic to Windward, let alone on the water.

Somebody has to tell Robbie about this. He'll get a good laugh.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 11:46 PM

So you're saying that the remark on their web site about 'surfing down waves at 25 plus knots' is likely to be true on one wave only, just before everything explodes?



That would be the cgi wave in "The Perfect Storm". And the speed would have everything to do with the force of gravity and distance to the trough.

Sailed some IOR maxis. Terrifying at anything over the low teens down hill. Whole crew keeping head low, one hand near something strong and talking about what to dump and not to dump depending on which way the helmsman loses it. Breaking a 3/8" wire guy with a 1 1/4" dacron tail is scary. Winches pulling off the deck is very scary. Rig coming down is actually fairly quiet.

The world has made progress since then.

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 12:05 AM

Well as I read post after post my asshole puckers up tighter and tighter...

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 02:14 AM

Well as I read post after post my asshole puckers up tighter and tighter...



Then our work here is done...........

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 07:43 AM

I really like the idea of taking your corporate staff (new to sailing) on the Hobart for a team building experience. Wouldn't riffing them be easier?

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 08:42 AM

after browsing the new Sorcery website....it actually seems to me this guy is trying to run a business with it (perhaps as a ploy to help keep it afloat)....holy cow!

two things come to mind:

1: I hope he is WELL INSURED

2: the old joke about how to make a small fortune in yachting???????


....start with a large fortune!


Jake kept that boat in A1 condition....with very knowledgable crew aboard....and on ocassion SCARY things still happened....hardware failures, injured crew, etc...

Just imagine the effects of deferred maintenance and amatuer crew...YIKES.

I remember a slightly over-crowded Sorcery Mexorc race (in rather light air no less...)when a gal sitting on the rail was just a bit slow getting out of the way during a tack.....the flailing jib sheet picked her ~120lb body up and THREW her 10+ feet overboard like she was a ragdoll!!! I think she CLEARED the lifelines by 4 or 5 feet as well! She lived, but she 'got religion'!!

All I can say is: THIS IS A BAD IDEA. (80,000 lb boats simply do not recognize us mere human 'beans')

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 03:30 PM

First off we dont know who the skipper has aboardand we dont know their sailing experience for all you know they are pros.
Second of being bitter about not being able to sail on that boat is no reason to trash talk it.
Third why not let them race their Midwinters and then actually look at the results and then you can make a decision.
The boat is a legend and although it definately has never done 30 knots in any regatta i have sailed against it, it is a fast boat with a gift of a rating. Im sure everyone on board understands what they are up against taking a boat like this with the reputation it has and trying to uphold it. The idea of having an amature crew is ambitious and heart warming and if he pulls it off bully for him. In the mean time stop trashing the boat and its crew and let them prove themselves.
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Posted 18 January 2008 - 04:56 PM

well I hope they have fun and no one gets hurt - but the boat is a mankiller

light air midwinter racing on the bay - no prob - except for the 2 hour delivery to race

cityfront in the summer - not so much

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 04:57 PM

Jesus, learn to read. No one is trashing Sorcery. What we've said is: the speed claims are fallacy, and the idea of racing this monster with inexperienced crew is a bit necky.

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 04:57 PM

First off we dont know who the skipper has aboardand we dont know their sailing experience for all you know they are pros.
Second of being bitter about not being able to sail on that boat is no reason to trash talk it.
Third why not let them race their Midwinters and then actually look at the results and then you can make a decision.
The boat is a legend and although it definately has never done 30 knots in any regatta i have sailed against it, it is a fast boat with a gift of a rating. Im sure everyone on board understands what they are up against taking a boat like this with the reputation it has and trying to uphold it. The idea of having an amature crew is ambitious and heart warming and if he pulls it off bully for him. In the mean time stop trashing the boat and its crew and let them prove themselves.
-Rule 42


I think you are missing the point. No one is trashing the boat or crew, but everyone is saying something that is the absolute no shit truth. This boat, and all IOR maxi's, are not, repeat not, for amateurs. If I say an amateur driver has no business getting into a stock car and trying to get Nascar to let him race in Daytona, it's not trashing him as a driver, it is simply pointing out that he's in over his head. He might get there one day, but going from 0 to Daytona is not the way to do it. As an amateur sailor I would deserve to have someone question my sanity if I went from my 5knot shitbox to Sorcery without some intermediate steps along the way where I could safely pick up the skills I'd need to keep the beast from claiming some body parts that I'd prefer stayed attached, thank you very much. (The preceeding run-on sentence was provided to the grammar police at no extra charge.)

I'm with abc123, I hope the owner has kick-ass insurance.

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 05:38 PM

Rule 42,
PDG was lax in pointing out to you that we don't really give a shit about Newbies and their opinions.
Your superfluous diatribe is a unwarranted whine.

Good day Sir.

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 07:50 PM

Rule 42,
PDG was lax in pointing out to you that we don't really give a shit about Newbies and their opinions.
Your superfluous diatribe is a unwarranted whine.

Good day Sir.


Cripes...how did I miss that? One more newb bashing opportunity down the tubes.

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 07:54 PM

What they (almost) all said. No place for the unwary or uneducated or inexperienced. Even the best can get bested by these beasts. Anyone remember Hutch's accident on Nirvana in Sydney in 83?

And I wonder if anyone in the Whitsundays can check if the dent is still in Condor's mast after that kite halyard winch (a wide-drum Lewmar 70) broke off the deck and dinged the rig. Sheared six 1/2" bolts.

25 knots? Possibly. Once. And anyone who was there at the time will still be on some interesting meds. Particularly whoever was driving. I wonder if he ever got the stain off his shorts?

We'll be out this weekend on the Syd38 for the CYC Midwinters, and sharing the starts with Sorcery. I promise to keep well clear. And would advise others to do so too, at least for the first few months until they shake down.

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 08:31 PM

Old pic's I took of Sorcery at the start of the '86 Swiftsure Race (23 years ago, daaamn!). Prior to Swiftsure she did a Duck Dodge race as a tune up ( :D ) absoloutley the coolest boat I had ever seen.

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 09:00 PM

We'll be out this weekend on the Syd38 for the CYC Midwinters, and sharing the starts with Sorcery. I promise to keep well clear. And would advise others to do so too, at least for the first few months until they shake down.


I'll be on the F-40. We definitely don't want to get caught to leeward of that beast at the start. See everyone at the bar.

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 10:05 PM

Has anybody found out how much these crew positions are going for?

What's on the menu?

Is there a wine list or movie selection?

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 10:10 PM

Old pic's I took of Sorcery at the start of the '86 Swiftsure Race (23 years ago, daaamn!). Prior to Swiftsure she did a Duck Dodge race as a tune up ( :D ) absoloutley the coolest boat I had ever seen.


I remember getting onboard the big red boat back when it was at Victoria. Everything on deck was custom and MASSIVE!! Citius, a SC70 was parked alongside and it was fun to compare gear of the two boats. The Citius hardware looked like it came out of the catalogs, just like bigger parts than on the other boats.

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 12:05 AM

Old pic's I took of Sorcery at the start of the '86 Swiftsure Race (23 years ago, daaamn!). Prior to Swiftsure she did a Duck Dodge race as a tune up ( :D ) absoloutley the coolest boat I had ever seen.


Wholly crap was that '86? :blink:

I was on the boat the afternoon before trying to sort out a torn main bolt rope for them.

The scary part is I can see the boat I was sailing on in those pics sporting a new crispy set of Sobstad Air Frames.

Now I'm really dating myself...er.....might as well; nobody else will.


PS. - I have to agree with everything said here and although I was only out on the red sled once briefly I have a bit of experience with big lead prune barges of the Maxi variety and can verify they eat people. Sorcery was notorious for this even when in the hands of the very experienced. Hell, we sheared a spinny winch right off the deck of Coruba and nearly killed a guy. And she is superbly maintained and very well sailed, but a ULDB, at maybe a 3rd of the weight or less than Sorcery?

I'm not saying these guys shouldn't be doing this but they really need perspective of what kind of beast they are trying to tame. They need to make safety job one, have some top notch instruction and coaching, be always be aware this boat wants to kill them for: not paying attention, being an idiot or perhaps no apparent reason at all.

And always: Be afraid. Be very, very afraid! :ph34r:

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 03:17 AM

Anarchist or - my pick - sadist. Those IOR boats LOAD UP and shit breaks and hurts people. They also go all squirrelly downhill. Seriously bad idea to throw any and all on board and go race.

There are two "maxi's" (The IOR Obsession and SC-70 Neptune's Car) in Seattle that take out passengers who can crew a bit and they keep it to the #3 and I've never seen them go out in much more than 15 knots. When they race, its only on the SC-70 and they have sailors on board with maybe a couple of newbies.


#1 the car is not squirrely downwind, and neither is obsession (really). i have raced and chartered both and we dont break alot of gear (no more than your average PHRF shitter) and we definitely go out in more than 15 kts. unfortunately obsession is now just a charter boat but i would take her in the puget sound over any other big boats purely since she is fast in the light and rates well. and yes the loads are big, but they always are on a 70 + footer. sorcery is definitely a cool yacht one of the last of her kind.

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 03:59 AM

The last line of the web page
"Note: The staff and core crew members under whose watchful eyes you'll be sailing, all hope to personally welcome you as you board Sorcery for the first time. Nevertheless, should you wish not to receive our newsletter please reply with 'Unsubscribe' in the subject line, and we'll remove your details. Thankyou - The SorceryOceanRacing Team"


--Unsubscribe.



Um they ay want to spend some money on a professional web page. That looks like it was made in 1995...
Oh, and it is pretty boastful, in my opinion.

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 05:52 AM

[quote name='P_Wop' date='Jan 18 2008, 11:54 AM' post='1505402']
What they (almost) all said. No place for the unwary or uneducated or inexperienced. Even the best can get bested by these beasts. Anyone remember Hutch's accident on Nirvana in Sydney in 83?

I remember that incident very well. He was a lucky Boy.

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 06:10 AM

Well as I read post after post my asshole puckers up tighter and tighter...


If you can hold the pucker for 24 hours, you're ready to race on Sorcery.

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 06:12 AM

Whatever happens at CYC midwinters, do not get in front of 40 tons of fiberglass and lead coming at you - the possibilities are rife with destruction.

- beetle

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 06:12 AM

I'll be on the F-40. We definitely don't want to get caught to leeward of that beast at the start. See everyone at the bar.


No Strings -

My friend is sailing his new boat TNT - you guys rate closely, have a great time and I hope you get some nice breeze. Could you please buy him a drink for me, tell him it is from opusone. I will return the favor when I get my boat up there or when/if you are ever down in the Newport Beach area.

Cheers,

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 06:33 AM

Whatever happens at CYC midwinters, do not get in front of 40 tons of fiberglass and lead coming at you - the possibilities are rife with destruction.

- beetle



Not that it matters but Sorcery ain't glass.....it's aluminum....

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 07:06 AM

Old pic's I took of Sorcery at the start of the '86 Swiftsure Race (23 years ago, daaamn!). Prior to Swiftsure she did a Duck Dodge race as a tune up ( :D ) absoloutley the coolest boat I had ever seen.



duck dodge as a tune up for Swiftsure?

hm...


~Play~

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 07:11 AM

Sorcery has been bumped to the multihull start at the Corinthian Midwinters.

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 03:40 PM

Is TNT some like 50 footer from southern california

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 05:04 PM

Not that it matters but Sorcery ain't glass.....it's aluminum....

Wow - I didn't know that, and I've been watching that boat for years in Marina Del Rey. That's one incredibly fair metal boat.

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 05:39 PM

Is TNT some like 50 footer from southern california


No -

The one you are referring to is a Tripp47 in Newport Beach - There is a new TNT sailing out of San Fran Bay.

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 02:36 AM

Wow - I didn't know that, and I've been watching that boat for years in Marina Del Rey. That's one incredibly fair metal boat.

- beetle



Well....they DID do a nice job building it.....but to be fair......there's also a whole lotta bog too! But back in the day of monster displacement boats....Bondo here and Bondo there was part of the 'deal'.....especially when they were 'messin' with IOR 'bumps'!!!

Luckily for Sorcery, most of that 'bump magic' went away when IOR died.(Although she still has the 'monster hollows' forward of the rudder in typical IOR fashion....)

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 03:54 AM

#1 the car is not squirrely downwind, and neither is obsession (really). i have raced and chartered both and we dont break alot of gear (no more than your average PHRF shitter) and we definitely go out in more than 15 kts. unfortunately obsession is now just a charter boat but i would take her in the puget sound over any other big boats purely since she is fast in the light and rates well. and yes the loads are big, but they always are on a 70 + footer. sorcery is definitely a cool yacht one of the last of her kind.



gotta agree with ya their, Ive sailed against Car for several years now on FLASH and I've only seen her wipe out once. And Im pretty sure weave broken more crap than they have (aside from the boom in RTC a few years back).

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 03:57 AM

that boom issue was on the delivery to RTC which they still won that year....

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 04:04 AM

Anarchist or - my pick - sadist. Those IOR boats LOAD UP and shit breaks and hurts people. They also go all squirrelly downhill. Seriously bad idea to throw any and all on board and go race.

There are two "maxi's" (The IOR Obsession and SC-70 Neptune's Car) in Seattle that take out passengers who can crew a bit and they keep it to the #3 and I've never seen them go out in much more than 15 knots. When they race, its only on the SC-70 and they have sailors on board with maybe a couple of newbies.

Bullshit, I worked for Paul and there was never any limit as to 15kts of wind. Paul also raced Obsession in regattas from Vancouver to Mexico before he purchased the car. I agree with IOR comments. If a couple is two, they often have more than that...

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 05:22 AM

Sorcery and her contigent didn't get to start today, as every class after the first 4 starts was abandoned due to lack of wind and a huge ebb.
No one finished.
My black heart wanted to see Zamazzan and Sorcery duel at the line. It turned out not to be necessary as Z managed to t-bone the committee boat on her own.
Tomorrow promises more of the same.

Oh btw, rather than sail, War Dog and his buddies were jamming around from YC to YC in an overpowered rib like a bunch of juvenile delinquents ;)

Yeah, I am jealous.

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 05:29 AM

Bullshit, I worked for Paul and there was never any limit as to 15kts of wind. Paul also raced Obsession in regattas from Vancouver to Mexico before he purchased the car. I agree with IOR comments. If a couple is two, they often have more than that...




What I said was that IOR boats are squirrely downwind. No objection there I assume.

Never said the Car was squirrely downhill...not at all. That's not in the SC DNA. Never said that Paul and team didn't race hard. Also said that I had never SEEN the Elliott Bay cruises go out in more than 15 or so. In Elliott Bay its either 5 knots or 25 it seems...and I've never seen those boats out when its white capped across the bay...a rare condition in the summer. Paul runs a highly effective program with skilled people around and is a great guy to have in the city and on the course. More power to him. He does it the smart way and introduces a lot of people to sailing and racing...safely and enjoyably.

But Sorcery seems to be proposing newbies on SF Bay in the summer time...that's a whole different ball game...especially when Oakland hits 90 degrees or more.

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 05:54 AM

especially when Oakland hits 90 degrees or more.


It's when the central valley hits the high 90's+. When Oaktown hits 90, so does SF and the breeze completely shuts off when this happens.

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 06:13 AM

all the kids on the red boat were so scrawny we were expecting to see bodies flying through the air when they tacked as they got spun off the handles......

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 02:11 AM

A bit windy on the Bay today, How did the big red boat do ? :)
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Posted 21 January 2008 - 02:57 AM

Once the wind started blowing, Sorcery just walked away. You expect that with 82' of waterline. Weird tactical decision to drive up the middle of the ebb north of Southhampton, but it didn't seem to matter much.

Congrats to SF65 and the Howl gang. They pretty much rocked it today with their bullet.

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 03:39 AM

Great tactics and the whole crew heads up on the puffs...and Jalapeno chips.

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 04:34 AM

Once the wind started blowing, Sorcery just walked away. You expect that with 82' of waterline. Weird tactical decision to drive up the middle of the ebb north of Southhampton, but it didn't seem to matter much.

Congrats to SF65 and the Howl gang. They pretty much rocked it today with their bullet.


I expected major carnage after reading all the previous posts. Good on em.
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Posted 21 January 2008 - 04:52 AM

"Wholly crap was that '86? :blink: "

Tell me about it Max....I looked at the date on the back of pic I scribbled and thought the same thing.

Mr. Perrys "Meridian" is out of the frame, just to the left of the pic if I remember correctley and about to be swallowed up by Sorcery.

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 04:56 AM

Mr. Perrys "Meridian" is out of the frame, just to the left of the pic if I remember correctley and about to be swallowed up by Sorcery.


What ever happened to Meridian? Haven't seen her in years.

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 06:01 AM

Those scrawn little kids owned it today. I was at the club...they beat the next boat by 8 mins. Too bad it was time on time instead of time on distance because it was those part animals would have won their first time out. That being said how many people saw those guys at the club they were roudy and fun to be around reminds us all of our glory days.

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 08:06 AM

Hey guys, I'm crewing on the Sorcery, and we had a fucking blast this weekend, from sailing today in the nice 15 knots of breeze to living up to the reputation of past Sorcery crews.

Also thanks a lot guys for the info. We've got a pretty solid crew of sailors, although we are far from being pros, as I'm sure a lot of people saw this weekend.

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 06:51 PM

Hey guys, I'm crewing on the Sorcery, and we had a fucking blast this weekend, from sailing today in the nice 15 knots of breeze to living up to the reputation of past Sorcery crews.

Also thanks a lot guys for the info. We've got a pretty solid crew of sailors, although we are far from being pros, as I'm sure a lot of people saw this weekend.




Good on you guys it's great to see some new faces and young blood getting involved. party like your rock stars and keep your hands and toes out of the winches!!

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 07:26 PM

In my previous post i said 8 mins was the margain between the next boat. Sorcery finished at 13:42 40 and HOWL! finished at 13:52 23 and they rate 27 and Sorcery rates -48. Nice job to both boats. And Mclovin you are a party animal, we just could never get you out of Sams

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 07:50 PM

to be part of the crew of a maxi ocean racing ship, you are the cream of the race crews, and to be stepping around the yacht clubs in the Sorcery colors, youíll feel 6 inches taller, and with the pre-race fever-pitch atmosphere that always accompanies these major ocean racing classics, and with the TV and Radio crews pushing for interviews, itís a magical experience that you will never ever forget.
Even at this early stage, youíll have made some real good buddies and some fine new friends amongst the crews and the yacht club members.


WOW..... cream of the race crews.... gaining 6 inches in height...........

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 09:17 PM

to be part of the crew of a maxi ocean racing ship, you are the cream of the race crews, and to be stepping around the yacht clubs in the Sorcery colors, you'll feel 6 inches taller, and with the pre-race fever-pitch atmosphere that always accompanies these major ocean racing classics, and with the TV and Radio crews pushing for interviews, it's a magical experience that you will never ever forget.
Even at this early stage, you'll have made some real good buddies and some fine new friends amongst the crews and the yacht club members.


WOW..... cream of the race crews.... gaining 6 inches in height...........



I_am_gonna_HURL!!

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 09:46 PM

First off we dont know who the skipper has aboardand we dont know their sailing experience for all you know they are pros.


They are all CMA Cadets, and most aren't able to drink legally... What they lack in experience they make up for in over confidence...

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 03:44 AM

The Sorcery rules! I would way rather be with a crew a young, agile, healthy, good looking college kids than old, fat, yachties. Maritime academy cadets make the best sailors. We'll be there next time to show you all how to party like true sailors!


Good on ya, nice going.

But a word of caution from an old fat yachtie - don't get cocky; cocky can kill you.

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Maxx out

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 04:42 AM

Good on ya, nice going.

But a word of caution from an old fat yachtie - don't get cocky; cocky can kill you.

:ph34r:

Maxx out


For a newbie you are definitely a bit cocky. Got a bee up your skirt? Sounds like you like "good looking college kids".
Are you gay?

From a not fat older yachtie.
Hoping you have some good times like we did.

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 04:48 AM

The Sorcery rules! I would way rather be with a crew a young, agile, healthy, good looking college kids than old, fat, yachties. Maritime academy cadets make the best sailors. We'll be there next time to show you all how to party like true sailors!



George Custer, if I recall correctly, mumbled something very similar...............

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 04:59 AM

no offence to the old guys. just keep an eye on your wife



Be careful, pal---some of us old guys can see into the future............





























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Posted 22 January 2008 - 05:35 AM

to be part of the crew of a maxi ocean racing ship, you are the cream of the race crews, and to be stepping around the yacht clubs in the Sorcery colors, youíll feel 6 inches taller, and with the pre-race fever-pitch atmosphere that always accompanies these major ocean racing classics, and with the TV and Radio crews pushing for interviews, itís a magical experience that you will never ever forget.
Even at this early stage, youíll have made some real good buddies and some fine new friends amongst the crews and the yacht club members.


WOW..... cream of the race crews.... gaining 6 inches in height...........



Wow, insufferability lessons cheap!

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 07:12 AM

I feel like breaking a leg and getting in a wheelchair is a best case scenario if you get in an accident on a Maxi. And Toes... most of us wouldn't be sailing if it weren't for the oldsters so let's take it easy.

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 11:48 AM

Maritime academy cadets make the best sailors. We'll be there next time to show you all how to party like true sailors!

By which metric do you measure this?

I like the advice given by a wise old sailor:

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 02:51 PM

To their credit they came out with a new web site.....

ttp://www.sorceryracingsyndicate.com/

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 09:18 PM

yeah the guys did good this weekend... aside from loosing there "sailing master" in the middle of the night in sams, who still hasnt turned up... we called the jail, but still no sign... oh well its not like we lost anything important. If you oldies want to see something dangerous happen on sorcery, then have the sailing master on the boat... that guy is permanently smashed... :huh:

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 09:44 PM

Maritime academy cadets make the best sailors.


Do tell...who is it that taught these Maritime academy cadets? Knowledge and skills absorbed from an old teak plank by osmosis maybe?

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 09:59 PM

They are all CMA Cadets, and most aren't able to drink legally... What they lack in experience they make up for in over confidence...




Now that make sense when I first saw the crew at the club I thought that the skipper recruited the local High School basket ball team or something similar.

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 10:24 PM

Its nice to see such a negative thread go positive. Hopefully things will work out for all involved.
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Posted 22 January 2008 - 10:37 PM

To their credit they came out with a new web site.....

ttp://www.sorceryracingsyndicate.com/



To their credit the website still needs alot of work...

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 03:25 AM

To their credit the website still needs alot of work...


I'll say!!!

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 03:31 AM

Now that make sense when I first saw the crew at the club I thought that the skipper recruited the local High School basket ball team or something similar.


Are you saying that they were all tall and skinny?

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 04:00 AM

Well the skipper is only 19 years old, oh so is the tactician, maybe they are basketball players

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 04:07 AM

Sorcery going upwind this weekend....

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 04:30 AM

Sorcery going upwind this weekend....


Main clew strap, if you want to even call it that, looks a bit on the wimpy side

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 04:40 AM

"Main clew strap, if you want to even call it that, looks a bit on the wimpy side"

had a bit of trouble getting the outhaul in too - and the driver looks like he had a bit on

Nice shiny red shirts tho




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