[Doug Lord]

See www.tiger-trophy.com for the story and results. Congratulations to Graham Vials and Team Bladerider AGAIN! Yes,it is a revolution.

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[nige]

Doug Lord, on Feb 8 2008, 08:07 AM, said:

See www.tiger-trophy.com for the story and results. Congratulations to Graham Vials and Team Bladerider AGAIN! Yes,it is a revolution.

A bit late again Doug?
Thread from Monday

[Luke Piewalker]

Interesting.... a look at the results reveals the DNC boats got 197th equal, so 200+ not quite so accurate.
And interesting to see how all the other foiler moths did.... Not quite a revolution until more than one finishes all the races...

[Doug Lord]

nige, on Feb 8 2008, 11:13 AM, said:

A bit late again Doug?
Thread from Monday

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Better late than never! Interesting how well the 600 was doing before his disaster and the neg spin The One Who Is Not Simon Nearn puts on it. Do you think for some silly reason he is threatened by the continuous improvement of the RS600FF?

[offshoretiger]

Or, he coud just be sick of all the fucking shite you keep spewing all over the place. Why he bothers trying to reson with you I dont know. But it gives me something to read on coffe breaks I supose

[bgulari]

Doug Lord, on Feb 8 2008, 08:28 AM, said:

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Better late than never! Interesting how well the 600 was doing before his disaster and the neg spin The One Who Is Not Simon Nearn puts on it. Do you think for some silly reason he is threatened by the continuous improvement of the RS600FF?

how well was it doing?

moth is dramatically faster than a 49er. If the RS was near one?

[Doug Lord]

bgulari, on Feb 8 2008, 11:33 AM, said:

how well was it doing?

moth is dramatically faster than a 49er. If the RS was near one?

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From the results page:
"Interesting though behind him, it was another foiler, Sam Pascoe (Weir Wood) and an RS600 who was the only one close to him as a vast number of the fleet steadily succumbed to the 2 degree air temperature. Unfortunately for Sam it was to be the only race he finished. After a collision while he was airborne, he didn't notice a severe wound in the bottom of the boat. until he landed that was; at which point the boat just kept going down, ending what could have been a solid challenge for the trophy."

[Essex]

Doug Lord, on Feb 8 2008, 11:07 AM, said:

See www.tiger-trophy.com for the story and results. Congratulations to Graham Vials and Team Bladerider AGAIN! Yes,it is a revolution.

Doug, I have begun work on my new foiler design - it will be known as the Revolution.
Would you mind not using that phrase anymore in connection with foilers please ?

[Mike V.]

Oh goody, another Doug thread. Please give me a minute to gather my Advil, shotgun, punching bag, violence-proof/spillproof keyboard and monitor, my People's Reality Suspension Device, my Canadian patience and that really good bottle of tequila that I keep hidden.

...

OK, I'm ready. Bring on the downfall of civilization.

[Al.]

bgulari, on Feb 8 2008, 04:33 PM, said:

how well was it doing?

moth is dramatically faster than a 49er. If the RS was near one?

He was 2nd in the first race. The incident that put him out was, if I recall correctly, not long after the start of the second- around the first tack, having started pin end.

Graham is a fantastic sailor- that's why he won, not because of the superiority of foilers. The conditions and courses (lots of two-sail reaching for the big boats) at the regatta suited both the boat (which does love reaching) and him.

Doug: why did you start this thread? Really? Given we'd already done the topic of the the event to death. Was that not enough for you? Do you really crave the reflected glory that much?

[SimonN]

Doug Lord, on Feb 9 2008, 03:28 AM, said:

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Better late than never! Interesting how well the 600 was doing before his disaster and the neg spin The One Who Is Not Simon Nearn puts on it. Do you think for some silly reason he is threatened by the continuous improvement of the RS600FF?

WTF!

Doug. You are a total troll. First off, the results of the Tiger Trophy have already been discussed. Second, why should I be at all threatened by the success of the 600ff. Seeing that one of my friends is one of the people behind it, why wouldn't I want it to succeed? I have absolutely no agenda whatsoever, which is more than you can ever claim. What I object to is that you spread misinformation about it and use it as ammunition for your warped views. You keep saying that the 600ff beats a Moth and we keep seeing it failing to do so. This isn't meant as anything negative against the 600ff, which is a great boat. It just that you keep posting stuff that is simply wrong.

If you actually look at the results and work out the handicaps, you will see that the Moth beat the 600ff by about 10 minutes on the water in the first race of the Tiger Trophy. We know that in the Bloody Mary, it was closer to 15 minutes, if you accept that the first 600ff was 12th (highly dubious). We know that the Moth is quicker in sub 10 knots due to being able to foil earlier and longer. We now know that it is also significantly quicker in 18 knots+. Now, there seems to be a sweet spot at about 12-14 knots where the 600ff is quicker in straight lines than a Moth contrary to what Doug keeps posting, there has not beeen a proper race in those conditions so as to be able to see what is happening around a course.

[FishAintBiting]

Mike V., on Feb 8 2008, 08:00 PM, said:

Oh goody, another Doug thread. Please give me a minute to gather my Advil, shotgun, punching bag, violence-proof/spillproof keyboard and monitor, my People's Reality Suspension Device, my Canadian patience and that really good bottle of tequila that I keep hidden.

...

OK, I'm ready. Bring on the downfall of civilization.

To make simple for all concern use this link http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?act=usercp&CODE=ignore&uid=30. Life is so much better after using it. No:

- abuse

- rantings

- assertions of having foiled without proof

- "proofs" based on theory

- man going through a mid-life crisis

Fish

[Doug Lord]

Al., on Feb 8 2008, 03:36 PM, said:

Graham is a fantastic sailor- that's why he won, <<not because of the superiority of foilers. >>

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Even a fantastic sailor does not lap a fleet of the most high performance seahuggers without a superior form of boat -which, WITHOUT A DOUBT, the Moth is.
This new technology is changing sailing forever.

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[nick125]

no its not changing sailing for ever who gives a shit how fast it is. get a jet ski if you want to go fast theres probably room for your bum buddie also

(no offence to moth sailors)

[SimonN]

nick125, on Feb 10 2008, 09:18 PM, said:

no its not changing sailing for ever who gives a shit how fast it is. get a jet ski if you want to go fast theres probably room for your bum buddie also

(no offence to moth sailors)

No offence taken. Doug just doesn't seem to understand that only a small minority are ever going interested in foiling. Yes, it's revolutionary. Yes, it's a whole new thing etc. etc. However, it isn't a revolution because for that to happen, it would need a major segment of the market to demand it and that is just not going to happen. Very few buy boats for the speed, with all the most popular classes being slower than average for that type of boat. And that's great, because if a large segment of the boating population started flying around sailing waters at 20+knots, it won't be long until the regulators step in and the sport gets badly curtailed.

[LeoV]

Its not his message, its how he brings it.
Writing like a real nutter, thinks he is a god. Impossible to discuss with...
Should write a bible and die... for the good of manhood.

[FoilerMothGuy]

The conspiracy theorist side of my head is starting to think that Doug is in fact a US government sanctioned psychology and AI experiment to determine how long the average sailing forum dweller can go on putting up with having utter stupidity and poorly quoted old news spewed at them by means of a poorly developed AI that just googles 5 websites and reproduces them (mostly without due references) before they either 1) go nuts, 2) find the ignore button, or 3) find the nearest knife, book a flight to florida and cut every phone cable in the state in order to put an end to the stupidity.

I mean... didn't the same sort of thing get Bush into power (at least according to everyones favourite donut-munching cynic from the ghetto, Michael Moore)?!? And he's just the same sort of thing on a much grander scale, right?

-- The rest of this message has been cut off by the FBI, CIA, ASIO and MI5 and "Flying Colours" is being investigated for anti-doug lord and anti-bush sentiment. Have a nice day. -----

[Luke Piewalker]

Doug Lord, on Feb 10 2008, 04:37 AM, said:

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Even a fantastic sailor does not lap a fleet of the most high performance seahuggers without a superior form of boat -which, WITHOUT A DOUBT, the Moth is.
This new technology is changing sailing forever.

I think you got some words the wrong way round, you meant to say 'Even a fantastic sailor does not lap most of a fleet of high performance seahuggers without a superior form of boat -which, WITHOUT A DOUBT, the Moth is.'

[Villan]

Douggie ... Please don't try posting " reports " on events that you dont attend.

I could understand if you were in the right COUNTRY at the time, but when you are thousands of miles away from said event, and all you do is then whinge about " foiling being a revolution " etc etc, it really starts to grate some nerves.

Try coming to our events, Witnessing the 600FF for yourself ( And not just from that single picture you seem to have + love showing ) and *THEN* commenting?

Alternativly, Put the mouse and the remote control down, sell the toy boats, buy a foiler ... And try flying.

You never know, You might enjoy the boat that already exists!!

[jakey]

Doug Lord, on Feb 10 2008, 03:37 PM, said:

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Even a fantastic sailor does not lap a fleet of the most high performance seahuggers without a superior form of boat -which, WITHOUT A DOUBT, the Moth is.
This new technology is changing sailing forever.

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[Al.]

To those just joining us: don't try any of your fancy "facts" or "logic" on Doug. In fact, don't respond to him. Click here to ignore him instead. The last thing we need is fresh meat for him to get his teeth into.

[Doug Lord]

SimonN, on Feb 10 2008, 06:22 AM, said:

No offence taken. Doug just doesn't seem to understand that only a small minority are ever going interested in foiling. Yes, it's revolutionary. Yes, it's a whole new thing etc. etc. However, it isn't a revolution because for that to happen, it would need a major segment of the market to demand it and that is just not going to happen. Very few buy boats for the speed, with all the most popular classes being slower than average for that type of boat. And that's great, because if a large segment of the boating population started flying around sailing waters at 20+knots, it won't be long until the regulators step in and the sport gets badly curtailed.

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You know thats really pathetic from someone who claims to be an "experienced" foiler. I have way more experience in foiler design and building than I do in foiler sailing-maybe 15 hours total air time so far(on full size boats). But I and others I know, who have much more experience than I do, are aware of one MAJOR fact about foiling: it is not all about speed:
IT IS ABOUT FLYING!
Sn, for you to say that shows a complete failure to understand the allure of sailing a hydrofoil sailboat! I feel sorry for you and the other idiots that think like that...

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[DavidNumber1]

:lol:

too funny

[FoilerMothGuy]

doug, has a single person that you post photos of (a little too regularly I might add... how about one of yourself flying for once?) given their consent to be shown online by a total asshat?

[Al.]

flying_colours, on Feb 13 2008, 03:40 AM, said:

doug, has a single person that you post photos of (a little too regularly I might add... how about one of yourself flying for once?) given their consent to be shown online by a total asshat?

No, of course not.