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#1 xpatriota

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 03:40 PM

Hi Everyone. I'm Gordon, and I'm restoring a 1965 Plastrend here in Sacramento. I want to share the work, and invite advice and comments. We have a fleet of FDs here in the Bay area. You can see the fleet at www.calfd.org.
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Here we started out with the fiberglass repair by filling the holes with resin. The hull was in very "needy" condition. Soon after, I brough in a specialist that helped with the bottom that recommended we remove the build up of resin, and fill in the holes with more glass. Our work in the first picture, and the corrected work is what see in the second picture.

Note this is my second boat restoration. My first was a Fireball that I started in Novemeber, and finished in January. I was quite proud of my first boat restoration. However, this is another story.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 03:58 PM

The trailer was a mess; covered in flakes. I purchased a grinder, and attached a welder's brush, and grinded on her for days. This photos is half way through the process.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 04:06 PM

The boat was painted with a polyurethane enamel which I'm told is the next level below Emeron. I am told, we have another week yet until the paint completely stretches, however, it already looks good.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 04:11 PM

Here we are sanding the deck, and inside the hull. You can see inside the hull upcomming patch work. The wood is very bueatiful at this stage.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 04:21 PM

I forgot a step-removing the hardware and lines. We, Russ and I were looking at this speggetti, and thinking of the best way to approach removing all this, and not loosing our minds when we go to install all the lines and hardware. I had a little experience with this on my Fireball project. I maticulously took pictures of everything, and remove stuff sparingly; not all at once. The Fireball was my first boat, and I was intimidated with it. However, I'm now more familiar with sailing rigging, and thought removing all at once would be the best approach. I was paying guys to help sand and paint the inside, so I didn't want to waist time. Therefore we took lots of pictures, and removed everything while taking mental snap shots. I think visualizing how the lines work during the removal helps too.

Plus, I knew if we got too far "over our heads", we had guys in the fleet that would "bail" us out.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 04:30 PM

Yesterday, we applied to the inside of the hull the gelcoat with sand for grip. It is bueatiful! Previously, that is two days ago, we applied several coats of polyurethane to the deck to seal it. Here you see where we sanded the deck in preparation for varnishing. Varnish should be here Friday. I love how the blue

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 04:32 PM

Note: This is a Flying Ductchman.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 04:36 PM

Here you see an upcoming project. I will have to reinforce the truss holding the deck up with is currently slapping the underside of the deck when pressure is applied to the topside of the deck. ... Boy, those trusses really need some paint on them.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 04:46 PM

This was the boat that I was restoring, and I ran away from it. What did you do about the rotten core in the false bottom? You have really got her looking great.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 04:51 PM

Im very glad to see this getting done. this boat is unique in my experience and I look forward to seeing it in person.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 04:57 PM

This was the boat that I was restoring, and I ran away from it. What did you do about the rotten core in the false bottom? You have really got her looking great.


That bottom was some concern, but we air it out, and pick out the rotton material. Then we patched with glass, and gelcoat. DJ, the magician restored alot of the strength to the boat. However, there is a little spot around the self bailer that I will want to go back over. We will see. DJ has a lot of history in boats and was great.

One question for you. Do you know the boat's identity? Is this clearly a '65?

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:04 PM

diggin' this, great work.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:06 PM

One question for you. Do you know the boat's identity? Is this clearly a '65?


Xpat, I just sold my '65 Plastrend FD and I have to say it looked nothing like what you are working on here; it didn't have a scrap of wood in it for starters, had rolled tanks, crazy glass ribs structure and the characteristic two holes for the chute(s) next to the mast. (pic below)

I like your project - you have done a ton of work and it's looking good. But I'll go out on a limb and say that if she's a Plastrend, she's earlier than '65 -- but I'm not at all sure she's even a Plastrend, unless that's a retrofitted deck on a Plas hull?

7, am I way off here?

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:12 PM

Xpat, I just sold my '65 Plastrend FD and I have to say it looked nothing like what you are working on here; it didn't have a scrap of wood in it for starters, had rolled tanks, crazy glass ribs structure and the characteristic two holes for the chute(s) next to the mast. (pic below)

I like your project - you have done a ton of work and it's looking good. But I'll go out on a limb and say that if she's a Plastrend, she's earlier than '65 -- but I'm not at all sure she's even a Plastrend, unless that's a retrofitted deck on a Plas hull?

7, am I way off here?

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You are probably right, I have posed the question of the identity to the seller.
Any ideas on how to identify the boat? There appears to be no name plate on the boat.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:18 PM

You are probably right, I have posed the question of the identity to the seller.
Any ideas on how to identify the boat? There appears to be no name plate on the boat.


There was no builder's plate on mine, either -- I figured some PO had removed or covered it at some point, or possibly it never had one. I did have pretty complete documentation that came with mine, though, so there was not much question about the history.

As for identifying it, if USA7 can't immediately name the boat and provide a significant account of it's history, I'll be surprised and a little let down... ;)

Seriously though, do you have a sail number that might be original?

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:24 PM

There was no builder's plate on mine, either -- I figured some PO had removed or covered it at some point, or possibly it never had one. I did have pretty complete documentation that came with mine, though, so there was not much question about the history.

As for identifying it, if USA7 can't immediately name the boat and provide a significant account of it's history, I'll be surprised and a little let down... ;)

Seriously though, do you have a sail number that might be original?


Yes, I forgot the obvious. I will have to look again. I opened it once since I purchased the boat a month ago.
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Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:29 PM

Yes, I forgot the obvious. I will have to look again. I opened it once since I purchased the boat a month ago.
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When you have the number, get thee to this page. And join the class association.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:29 PM

This was the boat that I was restoring, and I ran away from it. What did you do about the rotten core in the false bottom? You have really got her looking great.



I'm glad you ask this question, becuase DJ who is helping with restoring the boat suggested filling the deck with a self expanding foam that would fill the 1-1/2 deck, and glassing over the plugs. I like this idea. However, there are conflicting opinions on this pro and con. In attempt to get the boat on the water asap, I stayed with the original design. It is easy to get distracted with little improvements. Also, I couldn't find the foam fast enough.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:31 PM

When you have the number, get thee to this page. And join the class association.



Yes, I will do that. Can you tell if the boat is a Plastrend?

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:33 PM

diggin' this, great work.



Thank you. I'm becoming addicted to working on boats.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:35 PM

It has features like that low floor, half high CB trunk flange, and those deck braces that Ive never seen before.

I feel like indulging in some baseless speculation -

Late 60's DeKleer - yard located in Vacouver area, about 20 boats built. not taking bets though.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:40 PM

Here is my first sailboat, Fireball, I finished restoring (well almost-the bottom needs paint, and I'm still working on the "one pump" spinnaker lauch) in January.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:41 PM

It has features like that low floor, half high CB trunk flange, and those deck braces that Ive never seen before.

I feel like indulging in some baseless speculation -

Late 60's DeKleer - yard located in Vacouver area, about 20 boats built. not taking bets though.

Remember that DeKleer that I had a year ago? I just finished sawing it into pieces small enough that the dump would take. Guess what was under the glass? Pegboard! -- you know, that fiber board with the holes every inch that you hang tools on using the special hooks. Unreal. And frikkin' heavy.

Still, I said a few words and thought about someone, sometime, being very happy sailing their new boat. Sad, but glad to get the damn thing out of the yard.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:45 PM

Remember that DeKleer that I had a year ago? I just finished sawing it into pieces small enough that the dump would take. Guess what was under the glass? Pegboard! -- you know, that fiber board with the holes every inch that you hang tools on using the special hooks. Unreal. And frikkin' heavy.

Still, I said a few words and thought about someone, sometime, being very happy sailing their new boat. Sad, but glad to get the damn thing out of the yard.

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M,
Was that the one posted on calfd.org? I saw one there that was taken to the dump. What a shame.

Since, we are on the subject. My helmsman wants an FD too, and wouldn't mind restoring one. If you see a deal on an older one, let me know.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:46 PM

Yes, I will do that. Can you tell if the boat is a Plastrend?

If it's a Plastrend, it has had a totally different deck built on a Plastrend hull (the deck does look pretty homebuilt IMO). Looking at some other features of the hull as compared to mine, I will go further and say that doesn't look much like my '65 Plastrend.

Betting against 7 is never a good strategy. If he says up is down, I'll try to stand on the ceiling.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:49 PM

M,
Was that the one posted on calfd.org? I saw one there that was taken to the dump. What a shame.

Since, we are on the subject. My helmsman wants an FD too, and wouldn't mind restoring one. If you see a deal on an older one, let me know.

Nope, never posted that junker. It was an accident waiting to happen. I will look around the Jericho club in Vancouver; there's at least 3 FD's there that seem to not get any use.

There was a similar boat to mine in Port Townsend, WA - DA'er PTSailor had that one, but I thought I heard a rumour that he'd sold it.

M

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:50 PM

When you have the number, get thee to this page. And join the class association.



If I am unable to identify the boat, what is the proceedure to secure a sail number?

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 05:54 PM

This was the boat that I was restoring, and I ran away from it. What did you do about the rotten core in the false bottom? You have really got her looking great.



FDer, I see where you describe this boat as a 1968. Do you know the sail number and is this the correct year of the boat?


http://forums.sailin...?showuser=23380

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 06:30 PM

I got the year from FD777. I never wrote down the sail number. Hope to see you at huntington.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 06:42 PM

I got the year from FD777. I never wrote down the sail number. Hope to see you at huntington.



According to the DMV. The CF7078SA hull number on the boat is a 1970 Plastrend. I will call them back to see if there is a sail number listed.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 06:51 PM

If I am unable to identify the boat, what is the proceedure to secure a sail number?


The Secretary-Treasurer of the class association, IFDAUS, maintains the registry.
you can chose an unused or retired number from the list of take the next one in sequence. currently that would be USA-1496.
You will be asked to join the association.


I am intensely curious to know its history. Mr. 777 is our only link here. are you reading this Z?
after going back over Mike's deKleer thread I dont really think this one is from deKleer.

That peg board stuff was called Masonite. cant think of a less likely boat building material!

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 06:59 PM

The Secretary-Treasurer of the class association, IFDAUS, maintains the registry.
you can chose an unused or retired number from the list of take the next one in sequence. currently that would be USA-1496.
You will be asked to join the association.


I am intensely curious to know its history. Mr. 777 is our only link here. are you reading this Z?
after going back over Mike's deKleer thread I dont really think this one is from deKleer.

That peg board stuff was called Masonite. cant think of a less likely boat building material!


According to the the DMV, the CF number on the hull CF7078SA, is registered as a 1970 Plastrend. I ask if there is a sail number posted, but that is not recorded. When I have time, I will enter the DMV to get a $5 history report, and pay the registration fees. The history report will tell me who own the boat, and I should be able to track down the sail number.
I will also try reverse by asking IFDAUS to look up the CF number to see if it crosses over to the sail number.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 07:49 PM

According to the the DMV, the CF number on the hull CF7078SA, is registered as a 1970 Plastrend. I ask if there is a sail number posted, but that is not recorded. When I have time, I will enter the DMV to get a $5 history report, and pay the registration fees. The history report will tell me who own the boat, and I should be able to track down the sail number.
I will also try reverse by asking IFDAUS to look up the CF number to see if it crosses over to the sail number.

IFDCAUS has no HIN# information from state DMVs to cross refference.
A former owners name could be very helpful.

"1970 Plastrend" has an odd sound to it.
The PlasTrend company folded at the end of 1969 after Ted Turner got out of the FD class. A single boat was registered as a Plastrend built in 1970, to an owner in NY.
The PlasTrend FD tooling then went to someone in California who carried on using the name Glasspeed, and about 10 or so boats were built between 1971 and 1975. Ive never seen one. Its possible that this boat came out of that period.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 11:15 PM

that's the first time I've heard of the tooling going to California. Is there any further details/information about Glasspeed?

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Posted 06 June 2008 - 02:35 AM

that's the first time I've heard of the tooling going to California. Is there any further details/information about Glasspeed?

I will go back and check my records about where and how the boat got here.

If it is a 1970 and from California it may have been one of those boats. Maybe asking Bernardo or Jim A. may make some sense?

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Posted 06 June 2008 - 07:50 AM

Hi Everyone. I'm Gordon, and I'm restoring a 1965 Plastrend here in Sacramento.


Haha that sounds like an Alcoholics Anonymous intro! Was about to say 'F*!k Off Newbie' but then I saw what you are doing and your photos and decided it wasnt really warranted in this case! Keep up the good work, and you might want to tie your deck beams on the centreline to the inner keel with some glass or carbon coated cedar uprights (or similar), especially if you are going to refasten the deck to the beams which is also a good idea to help hold the boat together.

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Posted 06 June 2008 - 10:07 AM

Gordon the boat looks good. If you can find out the sail number then you can get the mesurement cert from that you can find the builder. Someone will know.

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Posted 06 June 2008 - 02:18 PM

How does one go about getting a copy of the measurement certificate for an FD?

Gordon the boat looks good. If you can find out the sail number then you can get the mesurement cert from that you can find the builder. Someone will know.



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Posted 06 June 2008 - 07:39 PM

How does one go about getting a copy of the measurement certificate for an FD?

I was lucky in my search for mine as the builders fee sticker was still attached to the boat and the sail number wasn't lost. So the national secretary was able to find the original of which I have a copy.
A measurement cert is needed at major regattas to prove that your FD is anFD

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Posted 06 June 2008 - 08:04 PM

Some time over the weekend I will try to post pictures of a Glasspeed Dutchman. Just have to take the cover off and figure out how to post pics.

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Posted 07 June 2008 - 07:05 AM

Some time over the weekend I will try to post pictures of a Glasspeed Dutchman. Just have to take the cover off and figure out how to post pics.

Should get the paperwork on Monday. Maybe that help settle the identity crisis?

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 01:26 PM

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Here are a few pictures of what I have been told is a Glasspeed Dutchman

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 01:53 PM

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Here are a few pictures of what I have been told is a Glasspeed Dutchman

wow ! nice Studebaker!

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 03:23 PM

wow ! nice Studebaker!

I was gonna say! That's an Avanti, right? 440cid? Rare and sadly one of the ugliest cool cars ever...

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 03:29 PM

I was gonna say! That's an Avanti, right? 440cid? Rare and sadly one of the ugliest cool cars ever...

I think there should be a Studebaker thread, I like em. specially the pick up trucks.

I think that FD looks like it has potential also.
Let's go Edboat.

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 05:29 PM

to start with the Avanti has a 350 in it. That belongs to my neighbor who has about as many cars as we have boats. He also has another Avanti as well as a Golden Hawk a Jag XK 120 FHC and a 55 T-Bird.
As soon as I make a little more progress on the cruising boat I can start the rebuild on the FD. The plan is to make next years MUG Race. I've got most of the bits and pieces for the Dutchman. As I do the work I'll post pictures.

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 06:46 PM

to start with the Avanti has a 350 in it. That belongs to my neighbor who has about as many cars as we have boats. He also has another Avanti as well as a Golden Hawk a Jag XK 120 FHC and a 55 T-Bird.
As soon as I make a little more progress on the cruising boat I can start the rebuild on the FD. The plan is to make next years MUG Race. I've got most of the bits and pieces for the Dutchman. As I do the work I'll post pictures.


thatll be good. Id like to see a pic up under the fore deck and a transom shot.

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 07:29 PM

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Under the deck and transom.

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 08:17 PM

that's a really well taken care of boat...

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 07:01 PM

Just another bit of information on my boat. The bottom of the hull is balsa cored. The cloth covering the core is clear and you can see the small balsa blocks. What other boats were cored back then?

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 07:03 PM

Just another bit of information on my boat. The bottom of the hull is balsa cored. The cloth covering the core is clear and you can see the small balsa blocks. What other boats were cored back then?


not that many, it was state of the art back then...

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 08:59 PM

Haha that sounds like an Alcoholics Anonymous intro! Was about to say 'F*!k Off Newbie' but then I saw what you are doing and your photos and decided it wasnt really warranted in this case! Keep up the good work, and you might want to tie your deck beams on the centreline to the inner keel with some glass or carbon coated cedar uprights (or similar), especially if you are going to refasten the deck to the beams which is also a good idea to help hold the boat together.



Do you have photos of what your talking about? Right now, I have a problem with one of the deck beams slapping the underside of the deck which is being repaired. Mayb you could sketch something. I like pictures.
Thanks,
Gordon (Newbie) lol

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 09:49 PM

Just another bit of information on my boat. The bottom of the hull is balsa cored. The cloth covering the core is clear and you can see the small balsa blocks. What other boats were cored back then?


Plastrend pioneered the end-grain balsa core. No one else Im aware of did that in the FD. One of the last of Plastrend's boats built for Ted Turner used aluminum honeycomb for the core. It didnt last long.

The Newport boats were of cored construction. Newport used an early acrylic foam material that decayed rapidly leaving the core space with voids and loose powder.

Modern FDs are all made with cores of modern, long-life material . the Lindsay boats were made with Nomex Honeycomb, and they are still as solid as they day they were built.

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 04:33 AM

I got the year from FD777. I never wrote down the sail number. Hope to see you at huntington.


Monday, I will send in my entry form. C U there.

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 04:35 AM

Plastrend pioneered the end-grain balsa core. No one else Im aware of did that in the FD. One of the last of Plastrend's boats built for Ted Turner used aluminum honeycomb for the core. It didnt last long.

The Newport boats were of cored construction. Newport used an early acrylic foam material that decayed rapidly leaving the core space with voids and loose powder.

Modern FDs are all made with cores of modern, long-life material . the Lindsay boats were made with Nomex Honeycomb, and they are still as solid as they day they were built.



Any suggestions to repair the core? I was told that filling it with self expanding form would be the way to get the string back.

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Posted 15 June 2008 - 02:39 AM

Three coats of varnish. Getting ready to rig now.

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Posted 15 June 2008 - 02:42 AM

More pictures of the varnish.

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Posted 15 June 2008 - 09:59 AM

xpatriota, Great job on the boat.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 03:52 PM

xpatriota, Great job on the boat.



Thanks. I'm pretty pleased with it.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 03:58 PM

Does anyone know where these go on the boat? How do I install? Anyone have a picture of theirs that I look at for reference.
Thanks

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 04:16 PM

Those are for the trapaze, someone have a pic? I can take one tommorw.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 04:20 PM

Those are for the trapaze, someone have a pic? I can take one tommorw.


Thanks!

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 06:43 PM

Any suggestions to repair the core? I was told that filling it with self expanding form would be the way to get the string back.


By all reports I have ever read, your best bet is to stay the hell away from expanding foam. Think "sponge". I think you'd be best off to find someone who really does know what they are talking about, have them poke and prod a little and decide:

a: If it needs to have anything done to it to make it safe and usable;
b: If it is worth the money/time/trouble;
c: What the best technique will be to achieve 'a' in consideration of 'b'.

I can't help with any of that except to cheer you on and remind you that any sailboat, and perhaps old FD's in particular, will absorb cash the way a black hole does light...

By the way, she looks lovely. Don't be too hard on yourself the first time you bang it into something!

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 07:24 PM

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Here are a few pictures of what I have been told is a Glasspeed Dutchman



Is that an Avante in the driveway? Nice!

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 03:44 PM

Does anyone know where these go on the boat? How do I install? Anyone have a picture of theirs that I look at for reference.
Thanks

Here ya go.
Often there is a tackle above the handle as well as below. If you rake the mast substantially, the crew will find the hooks drop down quite a bit. the proper height of the hooks and crossover gear is at the crew's navel. the shock cord must be tight, so that when the crew is crossing the boat the ends of the two hooks are held firmly together to form a solid bar that the gear slides over easily, while the crew is busy with the genoa sheets.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 06:46 AM

Yes that is an Avanti.

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 04:18 PM

Here ya go.
Often there is a tackle above the handle as well as below. If you rake the mast substantially, the crew will find the hooks drop down quite a bit. the proper height of the hooks and crossover gear is at the crew's navel. the shock cord must be tight, so that when the crew is crossing the boat the ends of the two hooks are held firmly together to form a solid bar that the gear slides over easily, while the crew is busy with the genoa sheets.


Thank you for taking the time to send this e-mail. However, I"m a little fuzzy where those pieces fit? If I'm quessing correctly, it appears to be between the handle and the shackle?
Thanks again.
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Posted 23 June 2008 - 11:33 AM

Thank you for taking the time to send this e-mail. However, I"m a little fuzzy where those pieces fit? If I'm quessing correctly, it appears to be between the handle and the shackle?
Thanks again.
G

yes. the ones in my sketch are sinous rather than T-shaped. There a several makes. The shock cord goes through the tube, and the vertical part goes up to the wire. when the crew is all they way out the ring rests in the crook of the T.

Continous trap gear is clearly visible in all these photos on Sailfd.org/USA
http://www.sailfd.or...0/mw90lm03b.jpg
http://www.sailfd.or...3/ml83lm04b.jpg
http://www.sailfd.or...76/ad76v03a.jpg
http://www.sailfd.or...3l/nf86l04b.jpg
http://www.sailfd.or...75/DCP_0402.JPG

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 03:43 AM

I see now how it works. I can be on the trapeze, and not have to worry about unhooking and hooking each time, brilliant.

yes. the ones in my sketch are sinous rather than T-shaped. There a several makes. The shock cord goes through the tube, and the vertical part goes up to the wire. when the crew is all they way out the ring rests in the crook of the T.

Continous trap gear is clearly visible in all these photos on Sailfd.org/USA
http://www.sailfd.or...0/mw90lm03b.jpg
http://www.sailfd.or...3/ml83lm04b.jpg
http://www.sailfd.or...76/ad76v03a.jpg
http://www.sailfd.or...3l/nf86l04b.jpg
http://www.sailfd.or...75/DCP_0402.JPG



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Posted 03 July 2008 - 03:45 AM

Got the line, finally. Now comes all the rigging.

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 05:36 AM

have fun with the rigging, I know I did. By the way the deck varnish looks deep enough to swim in, how did you do it?
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Posted 06 July 2008 - 03:37 AM

Okay, the boat is rigged, and ready for the race this upcoming weekend. I have to thank Doug at www.CALFD.org who helped us rigged the boat in two days. The first day we rigged everything, but the spinnaker. However, this allowed us time to get on the water to see how the boat performed. What an amazing boat! I can see this boat has the excitement of my Fireball, but more stable. We took in a lot of water, enough to fill the skippers area of the 1-1/2 deck. We found out that it was comming through the transom covers. I shifted my wait up more forward, and we got the bailers working. This will be an area, I will be looking at later. I think we will raise the lip on the boat.

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 03:40 AM

Here you can see we got the spinnaker in position, and rigged. It is a bueatiful spinnaker too. I will try to get a shot at Lake Huntinton next week during the High Sierra Race.

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 03:42 AM

Anoter shot of the spinnaker. Oh, how do you like how the jib rolls up.

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 03:50 AM

Okay, here is the flying trapeze, but still needs a handle.

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 03:57 AM

We replaced the handle from 1-1/2 aluminum to 1" aluminum at the skipper's request. The original one was way too bulky. The tape will go away, as soon as we can router some wood off the rudder.

The rudder is wood, with nothing to protect it. I heard that I should coat it with fiberglass. I"m not sure if I will coat it with fiberglass, or look for something already done. I would like anyone opinion on if it is worth coating it, or simply find a used one already fiberglassed.

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 04:03 AM

Keep in mind we are going for function right now, so the wood is temporary. I am also going to make or purchase a deck organizer which is a neatly row of turning blocks instead of the blocks you see in the photo. The goal is to get all the lines coming down along side the centerboard trunk, and then over to the side. You see old lines still in use which is intentional despite having all new strings for the boat. I'm waiting for the perminate mounting of all the gear before I start cutting the new strings.

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 04:15 AM

Here we are looking at the transom covers. We had a lot of water comming into this area through the covers. Part of the problem was the covers were tightly closed. Come to find out after we returned that the transom covers should be secured to the cleat there in the middle. I had only used one bungie cord to hold each of the transom covers. Here, as you can see I ran the bungie through each corner of the transom cover. We will see if it is enough to keep the water out of the cockpit are.

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 04:20 AM

Here is the outside view of the transom covers. Not pretty, but there on the boat. Not sure where to go with these yet. I have stainless nails, and I have some aluminum stock. My thought is to run the aluminum stock across the top of the rubber, and nail it to the boat. Stay tunned.

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 04:29 AM

Here is the boat six weeks later pretty much finished.
Thanks for looking, and your comments.
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Posted 06 July 2008 - 04:58 AM

have fun with the rigging, I know I did. By the way the deck varnish looks deep enough to swim in, how did you do it?
john



John,
I have did the varnish on my Fireball, but this one I needed help with to get it done in time. DJ, who did the work did so at night. Temperature was very important. He did it in a couple of days. I highly recommend him if you are in the Sacramento area.
Thanks,
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Posted 06 July 2008 - 02:04 PM

nice pics, boat looks great! it really is unique, I wish we knew more bout its history.

I recommend a big ss ring about 2" in diameter to run across the trapeze hooks, then hang your gear off that. otherwise that looks good. that shock cord needs to be tighter, to keep the thing in a straight line while the crew is crossing the boat.

you always sink the back end of a 1 1/2 putting on the rudder and such. Once you get going the bailers will suck it dry and keep it that way. In light air sit forward of the traveller.
you could actually do away with those transom flaps altogether. they are just extra weight in the back end, which is bad. if the transom is below the water line there is something else wrong. normally its completely out of the water.

wish I could be at huntington . one of these years.

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Posted 06 July 2008 - 03:36 PM

USA 7 is correct, take the weight out of the transom. At least reduce the size of the flaps. You could make them out of light plastic (like TAP plastics) and attach them across the back. See some of the other pictures in the calfd.org website. We have seen them just done in tape, or mylar film.

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 06:53 PM

USA 7 is correct, take the weight out of the transom. At least reduce the size of the flaps. You could make them out of light plastic (like TAP plastics) and attach them across the back. See some of the other pictures in the calfd.org website. We have seen them just done in tape, or mylar film.


Yes, I'm going to remove the transom covers, and tape them over with clear self-adhesive-shelving paper.
Thanks
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Posted 07 July 2008 - 07:02 PM

Here is a deck organizer that I"m trying. Basically it is the slidding door ball bearing wheels on aluminum stock.
Not sure how it will hold up to the stress.

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 07:12 PM

Need help with a problem. I want to strengthen the floor of the boat. Any ideas?

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 07:29 PM

Need help with a problem. I want to strengthen the floor of the boat. Any ideas?

kevlar cloth and epoxy?

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 07:43 PM

MAYBE WITH SOME LIGHT CORE?

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 05:41 AM

kevlar cloth and epoxy?



Where can I find the kevlar cloth?

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 06:12 AM

TAP plastics.

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 02:54 PM

IIRC the cockpit sole core on your boat is rotted out, and should be replaced.

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 03:14 PM

Before you get into the floor, take the boat out and sail it. Then see how bad the floor is and decide when to do anything about it. Or whether to do anything at all.

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 03:43 PM

IIRC the cockpit sole core on your boat is rotted out, and should be replaced.



Replaced how?

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 03:45 PM

Before you get into the floor, take the boat out and sail it. Then see how bad the floor is and decide when to do anything about it. Or whether to do anything at all.



I have taken it out on the water, and I have found a crack in the deck of the cockpit. My guess is from my body weight on it. My guess is the inside is rotted out, and not supporting the deck. What does one do? Do I install kevlar on the surface? Do I open the cockpict floor, and remove the rotted material, ...?

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 05:21 PM

Depends upon how soft the sole is. Long term ripping out the sole of the false bottom, then replacing the support bulkheads would stiffen the sole and the hull. Do that after you have sailed for a while. Seal up any cracks from the top with an overlapping fiberglass "patch". let the patch hold the weight until you determine how sever the degradation is, or how deep you wish to get into repairing the boat. My FD's have all had some time when the cockpit sole was opened up and enhanced. Usually the first to go has been the section under the mast. Then the area around the traveler, then the heavy foot trafficked area the crew jumps in and around.

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 07:41 PM

here is the earlier thread about this boat.
http://forums.sailin...p...c=68700&hl=

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 04:47 AM

Here is the outside view of the transom covers. Not pretty, but there on the boat. Not sure where to go with these yet. I have stainless nails, and I have some aluminum stock. My thought is to run the aluminum stock across the top of the rubber, and nail it to the boat. Stay tunned.



Okay, I dumped the transom covers, and used shelving paper to cover the holes to keep the water out. It worked fabulously, but remember to place it on the boat before lauching.

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 05:02 AM

Okay, made it to Hunting Lake for the race. Take the GPS if you go there. My wife was using our GPS.

First Day of Race:
  • Furling didnt' work well-found the angle too sharp for pulling, and used a smaller string. I think a 3/16 line was used, and replaced it with a 3mm. Works fine now.
  • Spinnaker entrangeld with jib-operator error. Crew asked skipper to tighten before lauching
  • Harness broke-purchased new harness
  • Continuous trap was trouble. In other words: My vest ensnarled in it when moving foward to pull the spinnaker out of the water. Also, not easy to move from one side to the other. This might take practice. Not sure yet.
  • Car on traveler broke-probably missing bearings when reeinstalled on traveler during rebuild
  • Found lines crossed and pinched-rerigged.
Second Day of Race:

  • Trapeze 1/4 bungee broke on continuous trapeze. Went swimming again to clean the side of the boat with my body.
I see sailing is just like golf. Swing all day long, and the one swing goes well, making it all worth it. That is how I felt when I launched the spinnaker.


Wish I would have taken more photos. You see I spent all day Saturday rerigging the boat until midnight.

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 05:05 AM

Oh, I spent some time in the water, so I can tell you the temperature. It was around 65 degrees.
Saturday weather was clear and hot. I heared 107, but not sure. I was in it rigging the boat, and it felt like it.
Sunday was cooler, and cloudy.

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 09:42 AM

Okay, made it to Hunting Lake for the race. Take the GPS if you go there. My wife was using our GPS.

First Day of Race:

  • Furling didnt' work well-found the angle too sharp for pulling, and used a smaller string. I think a 3/16 line was used, and replaced it with a 3mm. Works fine now.
  • Spinnaker entrangeld with jib-operator error. Crew asked skipper to tighten before lauching
  • Harness broke-purchased new harness
  • Continuous trap was trouble. In other words: My vest ensnarled in it when moving foward to pull the spinnaker out of the water. Also, not easy to move from one side to the other. This might take practice. Not sure yet.
  • Car on traveler broke-probably missing bearings when reeinstalled on traveler during rebuild
  • Found lines crossed and pinched-rerigged.
Second Day of Race:
  • Trapeze 1/4 bungee broke on continuous trapeze. Went swimming again to clean the side of the boat with my body.
I see sailing is just like golf. Swing all day long, and the one swing goes well, making it all worth it. That is how I felt when I launched the spinnaker.
Wish I would have taken more photos. You see I spent all day Saturday rerigging the boat until midnight.



good work. all that stuff is very helpful de-bugging. you are going up the steepest part of the learning curve right now, and simultaneously sailing with some of the best FD sailors in the country.

I like the golf mataphor. I can use that.




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