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#1 Wavetrain21

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 11:16 AM

Can these IMS boats of the late 90's be any good under IRC?

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 11:17 AM

Tuffie?

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 11:30 AM

Can these IMS boats of the late 90's be any good under IRC?


why? ya scared of the new opposition in scotland?

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 11:43 AM

Tuffie?



Echo that

He certainly won a few pickle dishes on IRC with his Syd40. Great boats.

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 12:17 PM

great too see another 40fter turning up on the clyde. there seems to be a nice 40ft class class developing..!

it will be interesting to see how the irc work goes..

anyone needing crew???

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 12:35 PM

why? ya scared of the new opposition in scotland?


Just wondering.....

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:00 PM

What do you want to know? We did 110 races in 2 years on my SYD40 - all IRC. We hit it hard and often. Love that yacht. Windsikher is now the proud owner (and racing on it this weekend).

Admiral's Cup version sucked in it's original config - wouldn't turn corners at top marks in big air (rudder too small) and massively constrained by the frac kites, in my opnion. You have to do IRC mods, but if done, it rocks.

Most memorable victory - if I might be permitted to re-live this one... oh please - was Koh Samui Regatta '07. Smallest yacht in the fleet which included Mills51, RP75, TP52, Farr52/IRC, JV70 etc... Light air regatta (not all of it) and we simply kept our heads about the job, played the shifts, tide and crew work. Best regatta on that yacht with a cracking crew - all weekend warriors except one - Macca on the tactics. Took home the primary pickle dispenser.

Ok, nuf memory... here's what you absolutely must do to a stock SYD40 to have any hope in hell of competing in IRC:

1) add depth/volume to rudder - mine had 11% added (mostly depth) by original designer (Murray, Burns & Dovell)
2) get rid of the frac kites (throw them out!!) - go full masthead and max sail area - 150 sq m by memory - run halyards outside spectacle - frac kites are slow on this yacht - we carried 30kts TWS at 123 - 135 degs TWA with full 0.5oz runner sym up two years ago in the Horsburgh Challenge and it was a rough drive but we rocked on corrected time both years - the rig (a tin one) was no problem
3) carry 1 x sym and 2 x asso kites downwind - and set up a floating tackline block off the stem to give luff-tension options to the asso's
4) add tackline jammer to coachroof with deck eyes up foredeck to stem (can provide pix)
5) IRC-ize the keel (I was fortunate enough to have the previous owner complete this before I bought) - another MB&D mod = more depth
6) longer pole (by 20%) - something we never got around to... but didn't seem to need in the end

Here's a short vid of us in last year's Horsburgh in the tail end of the big squirt - good times (thanks Punter!): FL3 reaching in Horsburgh'07

Anyone who says this boat can't be competitive in IRC is full of shit. We spent some time tuning up mine and had a f-ing blast!

PM me (or let's keep chatting here - more fun!!).

Cheers!!

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:07 PM

I thought I saw the old Sydney 40 "Bull" back on the market in SoCal. (Newport or Long Beach?) That what you're looking at? I thought this boat sold about 2-3 years ago, so you might look around SoCal for race results. Not familiar in that dept myself.

Reputation for quality construction.

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:11 PM

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:13 PM

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:16 PM

I thought I saw the old Sydney 40 "Bull" back on the market in SoCal. (Newport or Long Beach?) That what you're looking at? I thought this boat sold about 2-3 years ago, so you might look around SoCal for race results. Not familiar in that dept myself.

Reputation for quality construction.


He's in the UK bro. As I know it - there are a few S40's in the UK. Doubt he'd buy Bull and ship it across the Atlantic.

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:19 PM

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:28 PM

This was fun to see posted on the bulletin board during one visit to the CYCA too... made my heart glow!

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:29 PM

He's in the UK bro. As I know it - there are a few S40's in the UK. Doubt he'd buy Bull and ship it across the Atlantic.


Looks like he did.

http://www.yachtworl...ls=Show Details

This is the same boat from a few years ago, but they painted it blue.

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:34 PM

Looks like he did.

http://www.yachtworl...ls=Show Details

This is the same boat from a few years ago, but they painted it blue.


Hey Walt!

... wow. Can't say I'd paint one dark like that though. Bull was white hulled as I recall. Sure looks odd.

Still looks in very good knick though. Decent-ish price too.

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:36 PM

Yes, Bull was white last time I saw it.

The price was 199K back then too.

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:41 PM

http://www.apolloduc...phtml?aid=86358

this is the one thats just been bought in Scotland..... very cheap!

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:43 PM

http://www.apolloduc...phtml?aid=86358

this is the one thats just been bought in Scotland..... very cheap!


I saw that but figured it had to be a misprint.

Or the boat got dropped!

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:47 PM

YEP - thats it...

has been brought by the local (clyde) Quantum guy who is going to do a load of IRC mods to it over the winter - (as well as new Q's - as you would expect)

I saw that but figured it had to be a misprint.

Or the boat got dropped!




think it was a repo.... been sitting on the hard for years

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 04:16 PM

http://www.apolloduc...phtml?aid=86358

this is the one thats just been bought in Scotland..... very cheap!


That price is a shocker! Must be one of the heavily used corporate SYD40s (in original AC config) as I know of 2 or 3 that were rode plenty hard by plenty of people who didn't know enough about sailing such a yacht, still remain in the UK market.

This blurb from the brokerage tells us a bit: "This superb Iain Murray designed, state of the art [not anymore... really] Grand Prix racing machine fully engages its crew in all conditions, involving the closest racing and terrific performance. To weather, these yachts benefit from over-lapping genoas [benefit?! rubbish! go to non-overlapping frac jibs for sure!] and large mainsail areas and downwind they have massive masthead spinnakers which can power them along at speeds in excess of 15-knots [slow by what we experienced - we pegged nearly 18 sustained one day in 25 kts TWS/135 TWA]. Add it all together; you have a true, serious inshore and offshore racing machine. [uh... ya... if you take this one and IRC-ise it properly]"

In all honesty, whoever coughs it up for this yacht is probably looking at some major IRC upgrades (and most likely a completely new set of rags).

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 04:26 PM

$53,0000 for a 40 ft late 90's racer has got to be some kind of deal. Hope the hull is in good nick, but that still leaves plenty of spending room to optimize it.

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 04:31 PM

41 ft to be precise.

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 12:42 AM

One of the UK ones has been sold to West Cork in Ireland. I think she's called Loco and I hear she was bought for very small money too.
I think one was supposed to Cork Week but it was dismasted on the delivery.

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:03 AM

Sydney Yachts has a keel retro-fit to make it more IRC friendly

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:15 AM

http://www.apolloduc...phtml?aid=86358

this is the one thats just been bought in Scotland..... very cheap!


It is an ex-charter boat. Read: Flogged to shit and grounded a few timed by inexperienced muppets.

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 12:49 PM

It is an ex-charter boat. Read: Flogged to shit and grounded a few timed by inexperienced muppets.


Prof O'connel helmed a sydney 40 in calves week 2008 and couldn't touch the newer IRC boats namely mariners, antix and gloves

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 03:56 PM

Prof O'connel helmed a sydney 40 in calves week 2008 and couldn't touch the newer IRC boats namely mariners, antix and gloves


And tell us about the boat please?

- rig?
- keel?
- rudder?
- spins (incl SA)?
- hoist?
- draught?
- headsails (jibs or genoas)

It's an interesting comment (the result) but these boats are incredibly different depending on both who is stroking her belly and how she is set up.

Quick conclusions at your peril.

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 08:23 PM

And tell us about the boat please?


Not certain but it was probably set up with the Admiral's Cup configuration, maybe tweaked a bit. I think that was the implication of the statement "vs the newer IRC boats"

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 01:04 PM

And tell us about the boat please?

- rig?
- keel?
- rudder?
- spins (incl SA)?
- hoist?
- draught?
- headsails (jibs or genoas)

It's an interesting comment (the result) but these boats are incredibly different depending on both who is stroking her belly and how she is set up.

Quick conclusions at your peril.


All I could say is she had Asym and sym kites. Jibs and a 140% genoa for light airs. Rig was Carbon mast with runners and checkstays no angles on the spreaders. I didn't see the boat out of water or talk to the crew so i don't know what she was like hull wise.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 01:36 PM

Are they the same boats as the B&H 41?

I think maybe the B&H was an earlier version?

Anyone know for sure?

I think <_< the 'famous' Silk Cut 2 was a B&H41.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 02:26 PM

Are they the same boats as the B&H 41?

I think maybe the B&H was an earlier version?

Anyone know for sure?

I think <_< the 'famous' Silk Cut 2 was a B&H41.


No, absolutely not. Completely different yachts (did u look at the pix above?).

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Posted 09 October 2008 - 10:00 PM

Are they the same boats as the B&H 41?

I think maybe the B&H was an earlier version?

Anyone know for sure?

I think <_< the 'famous' Silk Cut 2 was a B&H41.



Wasn't silk a Murray 41? what is the differences between a Murray 41 and a Sydney 40

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Posted 09 October 2008 - 10:17 PM

Silk 2 was a BH 41 as in Bashford Howison.

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Posted 09 October 2008 - 11:53 PM

Silk 2 was a BH 41 as in Bashford Howison.


Must be a different boat.

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Posted 10 October 2008 - 02:06 AM

This was fun to see posted on the bulletin board during one visit to the CYCA too... made my heart glow!

Hey Punter your supposed to be looking at the line not your watch!

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Posted 11 October 2008 - 05:18 AM

This was fun to see posted on the bulletin board during one visit to the CYCA too... made my heart glow!

Hey Punter your supposed to be looking at the line not your watch!


Ya.... but we nailed that one though.

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Posted 11 October 2008 - 10:31 AM

The last of the 40s that were here at Hamble is now sold to France.

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 01:08 AM

Why do they paint the wheels edifferent colours - so you can tell which shitter's yours.

Applies to the S40 and S38, which is a 40 shortened thus the fat arse. This is a surisly wel kept secret.

I dont think Charles Curren buys into businesses to lose money and Sydney yachts were suburbly marketed, expensive at the time (must be over 10 yrs ago when he bought Bashfords) and are well put together.

Will admit to still having a soft spot for the original BH 41 though.

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 06:46 AM

Yeah, loved the old BH/Sydney 41. Your spinnakers come in masthead...or masthead. An easy boat to keep in the groove, and used to smoke downwind in strong breeze - but loved to truffle hunt. Very common to have white water pouring down the deck.

I never was really impressed by the 40, and the 38 is really just plain horrible. The only thing that saves it is the size of the fleets. Mind you, there was scheduled to be a 38 short course regatta in Sydney 2 or 3 weekends ago that drew 2 boats... I guess the state titles next weekend will tell us how much life the class really has left in it.

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 02:18 PM

Agreed the 38's are shitters, whats more they must have played with the fiols and made them fatter so the boat has a massively wide groove leading to typical owner sterring 10 degrees low all the time, downhill the fat arse is great til ur hitting over 15's constantly then the rudder has this feeling of losing bight although ive never wiped one out and havnt experienced a bad one from memory. Layout down below is fucking useless, no where to navigate and useless galley. Well marketed with the exception of presuming someine goign to spend what they were costing all up and not want to go offshore.

In any case every new boat hits satutration in this countrly its been a good while since they buld one i think.

Looked seriously at the 32 but all said and done ur up for $240k which is a lot for what you get, and going on the prices of used 38's you could well drop 100k in resole over a few yrs. The idea once of buying a good production boats was that it held its value. Check say on old cav 32 now old man said bought one for omethign like 15k 25 odd yrs ago and they are like 70 odd now.

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 01:13 AM

Agreed the 38's are shitters, whats more they must have played with the fiols and made them fatter so the boat has a massively wide groove leading to typical owner sterring 10 degrees low all the time, downhill the fat arse is great til ur hitting over 15's constantly then the rudder has this feeling of losing bight although ive never wiped one out and havnt experienced a bad one from memory.

most of the S38 offshore drivers might suggest you haven't been pushing hard enough !!!

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 01:50 AM

If you haven't buried the bow or lost rudder traction you need to get out more...

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 03:32 AM

Are they the same boats as the B&H 41?

I think maybe the B&H was an earlier version?

Anyone know for sure?

I think <_< the 'famous' Silk Cut 2 was a B&H41.



Wasn't silk a Murray 41? what is the differences between a Murray 41 and a Sydney 40


Buckys 2nd Extasea (the dark green one) was a Syd 40, albeit much modified.
Murray 41 = Terribly Firmly and Zoe but then you knew that, didn't you? :P

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 03:53 AM

Are they the same boats as the B&H 41?

I think maybe the B&H was an earlier version?

Anyone know for sure?

I think <_< the 'famous' Silk Cut 2 was a B&H41.



Wasn't silk a Murray 41? what is the differences between a Murray 41 and a Sydney 40


Buckys 2nd Extasea (the dark green one) was a Syd 40, albeit much modified.
Murray 41 = Terribly Firmly and Zoe but then you knew that, didn't you? :P

Certainly do! Your point is?

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 09:51 AM

Are they the same boats as the B&H 41?

I think maybe the B&H was an earlier version?

Anyone know for sure?

I think <_< the 'famous' Silk Cut 2 was a B&H41.



Wasn't silk a Murray 41? what is the differences between a Murray 41 and a Sydney 40


Buckys 2nd Extasea (the dark green one) was a Syd 40, albeit much modified.
Murray 41 = Terribly Firmly and Zoe but then you knew that, didn't you? :P

Certainly do! Your point is?



SILK is a BH 41 cruiser/racer
Terra is a murray 41 racer/cruiser
Zoe is a murray 41 cruiser/racer
all out of the MBD stable
i have sailed on all the designes and Zoe is the best boat a little harder to sail at 100% but better all round boat

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 09:58 AM

This was fun to see posted on the bulletin board during one visit to the CYCA too... made my heart glow!

Hey Punter your supposed to be looking at the line not your watch!


Haha, jealous we never got the money shot on the Bull! Catch ya for a beer in Sing later on in the week.

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Posted 13 October 2008 - 11:51 AM

Agree ont he get out more, I missed a hard runnign race a few rys ago in one so havnt ever really pushed one. Ive heard they can cavitate others say no problems lol case of whatever anything over 20 and held for a bit still pretty fucking quick they arent the lightest thing ever built.

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Posted 14 October 2008 - 02:54 AM

i have sailed on all the designes and Zoe is the best boat a little harder to sail at 100% but better all round boat


aye. anyone know if they are still persisting with the runners or have they gone swept back rig?

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Posted 14 October 2008 - 07:41 AM

i have sailed on all the designes and Zoe is the best boat a little harder to sail at 100% but better all round boat


aye. anyone know if they are still persisting with the runners or have they gone swept back rig?


YES still got runners but the big fella has let us play with bigger kites the old kite was 107sqm we have tried a masthead at 153sqm and a big frac at 125sqm the fra is the better for allround performance.We did hammo with the frac and magnetic with the masthead. There is a chance we may head down your way next year for a repaint and some racing.

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Posted 14 October 2008 - 01:22 PM

Are they the same boats as the B&H 41?

I think maybe the B&H was an earlier version?

Anyone know for sure?

I think <_< the 'famous' Silk Cut 2 was a B&H41.



Wasn't silk a Murray 41? what is the differences between a Murray 41 and a Sydney 40


Buckys 2nd Extasea (the dark green one) was a Syd 40, albeit much modified.
Murray 41 = Terribly Firmly and Zoe but then you knew that, didn't you? :P

Certainly do! Your point is?


SILK is a BH 41 cruiser/racer
Terra is a murray 41 racer/cruiser
Zoe is a murray 41 cruiser/racer
all out of the MBD stable
i have sailed on all the designes and Zoe is the best boat a little harder to sail at 100% but better all round boat


The B&H41 "Checkmate" was the most succesful boat in Northwest Europe for the better part of a decade. Raced mainly under IMS, and modified for each season / each change in the rule / different rules (ORC, IRC and some other local measurements) it proved a very versatile and succesful platform.

Owner bought a Swan 45 after enjoying the boat for 10 years. All in all the BH Sydney 41 was / is a very useful and succesful yacht.

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Posted 14 October 2008 - 01:51 PM

yes still got runners but the big fella has let us play with bigger kites the old kite was 107sqm we have tried a masthead at 153sqm and a big frac at 125sqm the fra is the better for allround performance.We did hammo with the frac and magnetic with the masthead.


just had a look at the results for both, you finished pretty strongly at hammo and took out magnetic so the big bags aren't slowing you down!

There is a chance we may head down your way next year for a repaint and some racing.


has Sydney recovered yet from the last time you brought all the boys down? :lol:

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Posted 14 October 2008 - 10:18 PM

Agreed the 38's are shitters, whats more they must have played with the fiols and made them fatter so the boat has a massively wide groove leading to typical owner sterring 10 degrees low all the time, downhill the fat arse is great til ur hitting over 15's constantly then the rudder has this feeling of losing bight although ive never wiped one out and havnt experienced a bad one from memory. Layout down below is fucking useless, no where to navigate and useless galley. Well marketed with the exception of presuming someine goign to spend what they were costing all up and not want to go offshore.


You are totally entitled to your wrong opinion.

The 38 is a great boat. I sail on one of the two tillered S38 and the rudder is perfect. It gives great feel, and we find ourselves 3-7 degrees higher then the rest of our section, (mixed PHRF with a lot of J boats). The boats a dream to drive, and downhill the boat is stable as a rock. I've been out in the boat in big wind and waves and have never felt afraid. The layout is great, but only after some tweaking. Remove the table and pedestal for starters. It adds alot of usable room. I've been down below on the boat with 11 others and not felt crowed. We have a laptop installed against the hull to the right of the Nav Station and it works great for us. We don't touch our stove and instead have a propane one on the bulkhead next to the mast.

The only thing I don't like about the boat is they are under powered in light air. Between 3-7 knots of breeze they are dogs.

Our boat is built like a brick shit house, it has taken much a beating and still is a top of the line race boat. If sydney built all their boats like this, they are keepers.

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 01:01 AM

Where are you racing?

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 01:50 AM

Are they the same boats as the B&H 41?

I think maybe the B&H was an earlier version?

Anyone know for sure?

I think <_< the 'famous' Silk Cut 2 was a B&H41.



Wasn't silk a Murray 41? what is the differences between a Murray 41 and a Sydney 40


Buckys 2nd Extasea (the dark green one) was a Syd 40, albeit much modified.
Murray 41 = Terribly Firmly and Zoe but then you knew that, didn't you? :P

Certainly do! Your point is?



SILK is a BH 41 cruiser/racer
Terra is a murray 41 racer/cruiser
Zoe is a murray 41 cruiser/racer
all out of the MBD stable
i have sailed on all the designes and Zoe is the best boat a little harder to sail at 100% but better all round boat


Terra is now called Mocean, I think that was what Flatbag was refering to.

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 01:54 AM

where is Millenium?...while you are counting the very quick BH41's...last seen at MHYC a century ago??

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 02:47 AM

While we're doing the census...

Ex-Singapore based BH41 "Jenny III" was sold (finally) over a year ago to a couple of Aussies who now keep it in Pattaya (last I heard) and campaign her, ocassionally.

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 04:44 AM

While we're doing the census...

Ex-Singapore based BH41 "Jenny III" was sold (finally) over a year ago to a couple of Aussies who now keep it in Pattaya (last I heard) and campaign her, ocassionally.



How can you claim Singapore and Sarnia?

Seriously. That's like fire and well...fire with no cute women...what's the point?

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 04:59 AM

While we're doing the census...

Ex-Singapore based BH41 "Jenny III" was sold (finally) over a year ago to a couple of Aussies who now keep it in Pattaya (last I heard) and campaign her, ocassionally.



How can you claim Singapore and Sarnia?

Seriously. That's like fire and well...fire with no cute women...what's the point?


I don't understand your question.

I'm from Sarnia originally - born/lived there 20 years - sailed heaps on Lake Huron... and have lived the past 20 years in Singapore and sailed heaps throughout SE Asia.

Not that I need to explain myself.

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 05:04 AM

Formally Majic, formally____ sail number SM2 is now in Michigan
Spirit Walker formally cha ching is in chicago
Scout formally ______is in Milwaukee
all a BH41's

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 05:08 AM

While we're doing the census...

Ex-Singapore based BH41 "Jenny III" was sold (finally) over a year ago to a couple of Aussies who now keep it in Pattaya (last I heard) and campaign her, ocassionally.


I don't recall seeing Jenny 3 in Pattaya, maybe it is there, but she never goes out if so. Sure about that info, maybe Phuket?

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 05:09 AM

Would love to see a re-birth of that yacht with a whoring big sprit, frac (carbon) rig, non-overlapping headies, and monster assos. Hull form is still very easy on the eyes.

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 05:10 AM

While we're doing the census...

Ex-Singapore based BH41 "Jenny III" was sold (finally) over a year ago to a couple of Aussies who now keep it in Pattaya (last I heard) and campaign her, ocassionally.


I don't recall seeing Jenny 3 in Pattaya, maybe it is there, but she never goes out if so. Sure about that info, maybe Phuket?


I think you may be right mate.

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 12:22 PM

High Anxiety is here in West Oz.

There are plans for a Hobart campaign in the next year or 2.

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 12:33 PM

Where is Terra sailing now and who owns it ?

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 01:08 PM

High Anxiety is here in West Oz.

There are plans for a Hobart campaign in the next year or 2.


But is not a BH41 (which is what these folks were listing just now... I believe) but a SYD40.

How's it doing in WA wind anyway? had a nice set of rags when I looked at her *gulp* three years ago :blink:

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 01:26 PM

Prof O'connel helmed a sydney 40 in calves week 2008 and couldn't touch the newer IRC boats namely mariners, antix and gloves


And tell us about the boat please?

- rig?
- keel?
- rudder?
- spins (incl SA)?
- hoist?
- draught?
- headsails (jibs or genoas)

It's an interesting comment (the result) but these boats are incredibly different depending on both who is stroking her belly and how she is set up.

Quick conclusions at your peril.


I nearly bought one of these shitters a few years ago, but after 3 trips to inspect them I decided it would have been cheaper to build a new boat (although they would have made a good cruiser possibly). From what I gather the boats were more expensive and not as fast as the Farr40 which had been introduced a year or so before and had a good following already. The boats were brought to the uk for the admirals cup and chartered to each team for 1 with the intention of finding owners soon after. This didn't work and they ended up as part of a very expensive charter company!

They lacked maintenance over the last 8 years and had the usual sailing school/charter industry knocks but parts are expensive for them! The runner winches are undersized and usually rip off the deck when you have the tension just about right. IRC hates them for stability and rig plan although the accomodation is pretty well thought out. Race one began changing some of them to a Ker11.3 keel but only 2 out of 5 were done as well as arbitrator on the isel of wight.
Too expensive,Too Slow,Too many problems is how I would summarise and think anyone who bought one will fell a pinch on their wallet once they start campaigning it. I got a much better deal on a more recent boat with a proven race history. SOme eventually went for about 15k sterling but about 10k more than they were worth I reckon. Below is some info I received from an un disclosed third party who had first hand experience with the boats.
Sydney 40s:

  • RATING: 42ft long, heavy, slow hull design.
Late IMS hull design with too much beam and wetted surface area back aft. The boat rates 20 points more than a Farr40 and travels slower through the water. Downhill it is painfully slow compared to other 40 footers.

  • Rig: built by Carbontech, clear coated. 3 spreaders with Jumpers truts. The rig gets hammered by the rating office and by the sun. The clear coating will not have been renewed and the carbon will have suffered from UV a lot.
  • The rods will not ever have been changed and most insurances require you to have them changed every 5 years to continue the cover.
  • Changing the rig to swept back was investigated by myself at ****** and a new tube would be required to take the backstay loads to the masthead. Using the same tube would not be very easy at all. The chainplates would have to be changed and this will cost minimum 6000 for a proper job with engineering from High Modulus or another reputable source.
  • Hull. The core on that boat was drenched with water as of Cork 4 years ago. I personally removed 1 gallon of water which came out of a 2inch hole in the centreline forward of the mast bulkhead on the starboard side. This might have been fixed but the water had already been there for 3 years before that incident
  • A full survey will be required and this will take 2 days to include the rig.
  • The engines had a habit of taking on water as the exhaust backfilled. More than one engine needed a complete refit to sort the problem out.
  • Deck gear. The deck gear was of good quality but the runner winches broke occasionally. They were underspecced and will need changing to be safe.
  • Maintenance costs: The Sydney 40 will cost a lot more to put right and to maintain. The engine is big, the sails are big, the winches are big, the boat and associated mooring fees are big, the deck gear is big. All in all, much more expensive to repair or replace anything at all.
  • The cradle is wider than the MDL boat mover so they do not like moving it and will not issue a dry sail contract with them. Might or might not be applicable.
  • There has not been any maintenance for the last 3 years to speak of.
  • Keel. The keel rusts because the flange sits below the hull line and the fitting job was never done properly. Keel flange needs grinding and filling and fairing and taping.
  • The batteries will need changing
  • You will definitely need lots of new sails because 4 years ago they were 2 years old and now they are seriously old.


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Posted 15 October 2008 - 01:46 PM

SOLO121 - you're painting the entire fleet with one brush... and very inaccurately, I might add.

There are many other well-cared for SYD40's (in Australia, SE Asia and USA) that went on to be properly IRC-optimized and campaigned, quite competitively.

Not all of them ended up in the post-AC UK charter mess that you depict (not disputing those comments either).

Be careful how vigorously you portray this one portion of the SYD40 fleet as you may be impacting existing owner's boat value - owners who have well cared for, and still competitive, boats.

We raced ours in 110 races over two years and thoroughly enjoyed both the performance and results. I don't share any of the comments you make about fittings coming off decks or engine troubles (we ran ours for 2500 hrs with zero trouble) or maintenance costs. The rust around the keel flange is not unique t the SYD40 either. Show me a Farr40 after a couple active seasons that doesn't have the same rust outline and I'll eat my shorts. Also, TP52s, Farr52s, Mumm30s and many other well-known quality racing yachts have the same problem. It is a by-product of how much keels of this design flex the keel/hull joint when under load or in seas. Nothing new.

My old SYD40 is now proudly owned/skippered by one of my longtime crew (and close friend) and it is being actively campaigned here in Singapore. Apart from some worn halyards and some other lines, the yacht looks and runs as well as ever.

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 02:47 PM

SOLO121 - you're painting the entire fleet with one brush... and very inaccurately, I might add.

There are many other well-cared for SYD40's (in Australia, SE Asia and USA) that went on to be properly IRC-optimized and campaigned, quite competitively.

Not all of them ended up in the post-AC UK charter mess that you depict (not disputing those comments either).

Be careful how vigorously you portray this one portion of the SYD40 fleet as you may be impacting existing owner's boat value - owners who have well cared for, and still competitive, boats.

We raced ours in 110 races over two years and thoroughly enjoyed both the performance and results. I don't share any of the comments you make about fittings coming off decks or engine troubles (we ran ours for 2500 hrs with zero trouble) or maintenance costs. The rust around the keel flange is not unique t the SYD40 either. Show me a Farr40 after a couple active seasons that doesn't have the same rust outline and I'll eat my shorts. Also, TP52s, Farr52s, Mumm30s and many other well-known quality racing yachts have the same problem. It is a by-product of how much keels of this design flex the keel/hull joint when under load or in seas. Nothing new.

My old SYD40 is now proudly owned/skippered by one of my longtime crew (and close friend) and it is being actively campaigned here in Singapore. Apart from some worn halyards and some other lines, the yacht looks and runs as well as ever.


I know there are some modified boats out there and doing quite well. I looked at all 5 boats that were for sale and the topic was originally about the boats that were on sale from the UK. However, it is fair to say that if you add up the cost of making it a safe and competitive boat then it doesn't become such good value for money. It is very easy to be lured by the price but if you think about it, then why were they for sale for so long as surely the yards on the hamble would have snatched them up, refurbished them and sent them down the road again.

I would also say that it is the rating office that has affected the value more than any other factor with these boats. Perhaps if Mike Iriwin was in bed with Ian Murray and not bob johnston (s**t i'm thinking out loud again) then it would be a different story....

You could probably fit an alu mast and bowsprit and very easily go competitive racing, particularly if you need buy a new wardrobe anyhow. All the spare sails for each boat where being stored on one boat and so one lucky owner has everyones equipment!

I actually think that the boats would charter well and based on the current sale prices would really be sustainable as you are not starting off -250k for the boat. each has 10 comfortable berths and good sized galley, perfect for big offshores. I would recommend that anyone who bought one keeps up its coding and Part 1 registry to help maintain value. It is a shed load of boat for the money but its not going to be a regular performer with an average crew.

Anyway this is just one fools opinion- if someone mods up a boat and it wins races then they will have no regard for this information, but better to know what to look for before it becomes expensive. I would also assume that anyone buying a syd40 would have had a survey carried out and this should have picked up the areas of delamination in each hull as was included in the sellers own survey.

Apologies for any offence to anyone having just bought one as I am sure you have done the necesssary homework and will have fun with the boat. However its the person asking the question who started this one!

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 03:23 PM

Where are you racing?



He races in Chicago. There are three S38's here with tillers and one with a wheel. All racing PHRF primarily, and ORR and/or IRC. I race on the one with the pink, now fuscia metal flake wheel.

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 12:44 AM

Where is Terra sailing now and who owns it ?

pulpit


Terra is now in Geelong, renamed "Mocean"

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 01:10 AM

High Anxiety is here in West Oz.

There are plans for a Hobart campaign in the next year or 2.


But is not a BH41 (which is what these folks were listing just now... I believe) but a SYD40.

How's it doing in WA wind anyway? had a nice set of rags when I looked at her *gulp* three years ago :blink:

It seems to prefer the lighter end of the wind scale.
They have had troubles putting together a regular crew since it arrived which may just mean time on water is required to get them consistant in the stronger stuff.

The nice set of rags were still nice until the Geraldton to Fremantle race last year where the fleet got smashed by 60 knots and they melted the main.
Have had troubles also with the rudder bearings leaking.

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 08:04 AM

There is a BH41 "Local Hero" here on the clyde, for the last 3 seasons or so. I don't know who she was prior to this tho. She has gone through a number of refits in this time inc a respray and lools lovely and is a well sailed programme.

Last year she had a refit to a full A-sail sprit conversion , though she has struggled to sail to her rating with this configuration and i understand she is reverting back to the symmetrical setup. I understand she felt a lot faster, but the angles required were not necessarily paying off on the style of courses we tend to race on.

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 08:10 AM

"Local Hero" is Geofrrey Howison's old BH is it not? (i.e. the Howison of Bashford/Howison--> BH41)

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 08:37 AM

"Local Hero" is Geofrrey Howison's old BH is it not? (i.e. the Howison of Bashford/Howison--> BH41)


Still is Geoffrey Howisons I believe.

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 08:58 AM

"Local Hero" is Geofrrey Howison's old BH is it not? (i.e. the Howison of Bashford/Howison--> BH41)


Still is Geoffrey Howisons I believe.


Yip, Still Geoff's - Pretty, pretty boat.

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 12:04 PM

I think you will find the BH41 Geoff now owns is the old Hawk, rather than one of the many Local Heros Geoff previously owned.

Crossing threads totally, Geoff's first BH41 to carry the Local Hero name (in 1995) was sold to Colm Barrington and renamed Surfing Shoes.

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 12:06 PM

Thanks. I knew there was more to that story :-)

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 06:10 PM

if you want a laugh, look here.

http://nickstrattony...g...ttonyachts

this is the same boat as discused at hte start of the thread! Was 25k a month ajo, now yours for the bargin price of 80k.

Hmmm

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 07:39 PM

if you want a laugh, look here.

http://nickstrattony...g...ttonyachts

this is the same boat as discused at hte start of the thread! Was 25k a month ajo, now yours for the bargin price of 80k.

Hmmm


You are farkin kidding. My boat is going in to Fairlie Quay next week (shouldve been this week but windy windy) and I'll have a good look at it if its still there and report back.

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 08:42 PM

if you want a laugh, look here.

http://nickstrattony...g...ttonyachts

this is the same boat as discused at hte start of the thread! Was 25k a month ajo, now yours for the bargin price of 80k.

Hmmm


You are farkin kidding. My boat is going in to Fairlie Quay next week (shouldve been this week but windy windy) and I'll have a good look at it if its still there and report back.


Feck me. Someone's having a laugh here. It was 'only' 65K last week.

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Posted 27 October 2008 - 12:32 AM

Syd 40 in original AC trim :lol:

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Posted 27 October 2008 - 02:09 AM

Syd 40 in original AC trim :lol:

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the rest of the crew is somewhere in the cockpit yelling at that guy to hike harder.

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Posted 27 October 2008 - 03:14 AM

Syd 40 in original AC trim :lol:

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the rest of the crew is somewhere in the cockpit yelling at that guy to hike harder.


More likely yelling "Who the fuck would design a yacht that does this in 15kts of wind"

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Posted 17 September 2009 - 09:16 PM

the syd 40 boat discussed here is still for sale at 80k.

When I was considering the syd40 - The generous owner said he would let me have it for 65k.

Glad I found this thread. Might offer him 1k!

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 04:57 AM

Hey Tuffie.
Little birdie told me the the Sydney 40 Bull is coming to live in Phuket.
Good excuse for the Singapore lads on your old boat to come up here now.....
Nice to get another 40 footer on the scene here.

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 05:45 AM

Had a sail yesterday on S40 Windsheiker - I liked it - big cockpit for crew work, pretty lively downwind. I thought it was bit tender, given breeze of 12 knots we were pretty heeled but that sort of power is useful here in the generally light winds.

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 07:28 AM

Had a sail yesterday on S40 Windsheiker - I liked it - big cockpit for crew work, pretty lively downwind. I thought it was bit tender, given breeze of 12 knots we were pretty heeled but that sort of power is useful here in the generally light winds.

Yep great boat
certainly a 'keeper' if there ever was one.

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 08:07 AM

Had a sail yesterday on S40 Windsheiker - I liked it - big cockpit for crew work, pretty lively downwind. I thought it was bit tender, given breeze of 12 knots we were pretty heeled but that sort of power is useful here in the generally light winds.

Yep great boat
certainly a 'keeper' if there ever was one.


+1

Cursing the day I sold it.

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 09:50 AM

Hey Tuffie.
Little birdie told me the the Sydney 40 Bull is coming to live in Phuket.
Good excuse for the Singapore lads on your old boat to come up here now.....
Nice to get another 40 footer on the scene here.


Is that the modded Bull, that did the Transpac with lots of cubenfibre rags?

Shame Bull's not around here any more.

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 09:55 AM

Hey Tuffie.
Little birdie told me the the Sydney 40 Bull is coming to live in Phuket.
Good excuse for the Singapore lads on your old boat to come up here now.....
Nice to get another 40 footer on the scene here.


That's the first I've heard that. Hope it's true!

Last I saw of Bull was for sale on US W coast 2 yrs ago. Looked well cared for unlike many of the ones that ended up in corporate charter work in the UK.

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 03:57 PM

http://www.yachtworl...ls=Show Details

OMFG.

115K, sale pending, wonder what it went for. Somebody got a deal.

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 07:42 PM

http://www.yachtworl...ls=Show Details

OMFG.

115K, sale pending, wonder what it went for. Somebody got a deal.


We lined up against her on a few occassions - she needs new sails in a big way. Never really had any speed on us up or down. She has a baby sprit for assyms, some nice mods on deck for sail handling and a few mods down below for offshore. She rated 9 PHRF here and could not sail to it with her current sail inventory.

Hope the new owner enjoys the new ride. Sure is a pretty boat in the water.....

Cheers,

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 12:40 AM

He's in the UK bro. As I know it - there are a few S40's in the UK. Doubt he'd buy Bull and ship it across the Atlantic.


Looks like he did.

http://www.yachtworl...ls=Show Details

This is the same boat from a few years ago, but they painted it blue.

The boat was renamed Beica and painted blue awhile ago. It was racing in Newport Harbor a couple of months ago, maybe more like 6, the summer just flew by, was on a Route 66 race earlier this year.

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 02:13 AM

Hey Tuffie.
Little birdie told me the the Sydney 40 Bull is coming to live in Phuket.
Good excuse for the Singapore lads on your old boat to come up here now.....
Nice to get another 40 footer on the scene here.


Is that the modded Bull, that did the Transpac with lots of cubenfibre rags?

Shame Bull's not around here any more.


Yeah, same one.
New owners a nice guy, keen to get it out and racing.
Will keep the old rags on for a while to get the hang of things.
Hopefully get some Quantum rags on next year.

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 06:26 AM

He's in the UK bro. As I know it - there are a few S40's in the UK. Doubt he'd buy Bull and ship it across the Atlantic.


Looks like he did.

http://www.yachtworl...ls=Show Details

This is the same boat from a few years ago, but they painted it blue.

The boat was renamed Beica and painted blue awhile ago. It was racing in Newport Harbor a couple of months ago, maybe more like 6, the summer just flew by, was on a Route 66 race earlier this year.


Does they have a gen-set (or watermaker?) aft of the nav station (on centreline)?!

Never noticed that first time I looked at the pix (when it was Bull).

If that's true, no wonder it can't sail to it's rating... like having a hungover gorilla asleep under the cockpit (read: that yacht is incredibly weight-sensitive).

Anyone?

EDIT: to orient everyone... this photo is facing aft with the nav station just to the right out of frame and the stb quarterberth in view... I'm refering the the large white box to the right... must be a watermaker as there appears to be a raw-water intake seacock right next to it... I'll be damned. Remember: the owner of Bull kitted this out to do TransPacs.

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 09:32 AM

Bumpitibump.....
Just had a looky over the now called Babe sydney 40.( Ex Bull / Ex Beica)
Arrived in Phuket beginning of the year.
Tuffy, that pic is the fuel tank, not a genset.
Getting antifouled and spruced up for the Phucket race week next month.
Owner cant afford new rag at the mo, so he's cutting down the old quantum main off Katsu the Club Swan 42.
The swan main is a bit short in the foot by around 20CM as the sydneys boom is pretty long.
But needs quite a chunk off the luff.
Headys he'll have to live with for the time being.
Nicely set up boat.
Hope fully the windsheiker will get a play friend in a year or so once they get up to speed.
Got a nice weed cutter on it, which will come in handy in the woods.... ;)

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 12:09 PM

Ther's one newly arrived in Airlie Beach,Questionable Logic.
Allegedly an ex AC boat sailed to Aus by a French man and bought cheap.
Not much in the way of sails but owner plans to buy new stuff once the crew learn to sail it.
Seems like a decent boat.

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Posted 14 June 2011 - 05:15 AM

Ther's one newly arrived in Airlie Beach,Questionable Logic.
Allegedly an ex AC boat sailed to Aus by a French man and bought cheap.
Not much in the way of sails but owner plans to buy new stuff once the crew learn to sail it.
Seems like a decent boat.



Yeah, almost correct, It was sailed here by a Pom, and was in pretty bad shape, nothing major, buts lots of niggly minor maintenance issues, deck gear, halyards etc. It was re-rigged before leaving UK with new stick and rod rigging. Shame they didn't sweep it back at that point.

Very poor job done by slipway in Sydney on the antifoul after purchase before delivery to QLD, (wondered why they dropped in before I got there to inspect) but at least this forced by hand and made me sand blast back to glass in February. Ran out of time so needs to come out again to refair from Sail Drive aft, hopefully before ABRW this year.

I have replaced the runners and checks, repainted cabin top and decks

There is a lot of disinformation on this page, like the death role photo alegedly in 15knots. We hold Masthead bags down hill in 25+ knots, and the boat handles the gusts with ease. Admittedly, this is one with the Modified keel, and this makes it fantastic up hill. Pay the price for the extra weight downhill. We still don't have a regatta set of sails, and have only had the budget to add Club level main and no.1.5 genoa.

Not sure what is expected of an IMS designed semi displacement hull, but at Hamilton Island Race Week last year, we beat the Stomp 38 around the track a few times and it has an IRC rating over 1.2, and you can buy one for over $250k.

Next stage is to look at the IRC Optimization with non overlappers, with a view to sweeping back the rig.

The cost regarding the Chain Plate comment is incorrect, the bulkheads are in place and ready to recieve the chain plates, the mast needs to be restepped 200mm back behind forward bulkhed and chain plates placed in same position as Sydney 38. Structural worl estinates are in range of $2500 - $3000, plus cost of rigging ($10K ish). Indications are that the integrity of the stick is fine for masthead backstay loads in swept back config. If anyone has firm info to contrary please speak up.

IRC Rating is about 1.16ish with overlappers, and as low as 1.145 with non overlappers and frac kites, so the Farr 40 comment is way off, with most Farr 40's in the 1.18 range as far as I can see.

Anyway, that is my update on a 12 year old boat that was part of the winning dutch team in the 1999 Admirals Cup.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 03:34 PM

Yeah, almost correct, It was sailed here by a Pom, and was in pretty bad shape, nothing major, buts lots of niggly minor maintenance issues, deck gear, halyards etc. It was re-rigged before leaving UK with new stick and rod rigging. Shame they didn't sweep it back at that point.

Very poor job done by slipway in Sydney on the antifoul after purchase before delivery to QLD, (wondered why they dropped in before I got there to inspect) but at least this forced by hand and made me sand blast back to glass in February. Ran out of time so needs to come out again to refair from Sail Drive aft, hopefully before ABRW this year.

I have replaced the runners and checks, repainted cabin top and decks

There is a lot of disinformation on this page, like the death role photo alegedly in 15knots. We hold Masthead bags down hill in 25+ knots, and the boat handles the gusts with ease. Admittedly, this is one with the Modified keel, and this makes it fantastic up hill. Pay the price for the extra weight downhill. We still don't have a regatta set of sails, and have only had the budget to add Club level main and no.1.5 genoa.

Not sure what is expected of an IMS designed semi displacement hull, but at Hamilton Island Race Week last year, we beat the Stomp 38 around the track a few times and it has an IRC rating over 1.2, and you can buy one for over $250k.

Next stage is to look at the IRC Optimization with non overlappers, with a view to sweeping back the rig.

The cost regarding the Chain Plate comment is incorrect, the bulkheads are in place and ready to recieve the chain plates, the mast needs to be restepped 200mm back behind forward bulkhed and chain plates placed in same position as Sydney 38. Structural worl estinates are in range of $2500 - $3000, plus cost of rigging ($10K ish). Indications are that the integrity of the stick is fine for masthead backstay loads in swept back config. If anyone has firm info to contrary please speak up.

IRC Rating is about 1.16ish with overlappers, and as low as 1.145 with non overlappers and frac kites, so the Farr 40 comment is way off, with most Farr 40's in the 1.18 range as far as I can see.

Anyway, that is my update on a 12 year old boat that was part of the winning dutch team in the 1999 Admirals Cup.


Interesting post.

Is Tezza still about anyone?

Does he still own his sydney40?

Seems we are going through many similar alterations.

I took a lok at the change of rig and decided that without paying for a carbon mast it probably wasn't worth the expense just for a tin mast.

What rig did this one have on it? Did it get converted to swept?




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