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#1 DA-WOODY

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 06:02 PM

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A Great news letter to keep an inside finger on the City of San Diego

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"After 10 or 15 years of having time to rethink, to not be in abusive situations, people change."— Richard Dieter,
Director of the Death Penalty Information Center


Susan Eubanks, who shot her four young boys to death in San Marcos in 1997, describes herself in an online ad as a middle-aged "cougar" who's optimistic and enjoys meeting new people. Cleophus Prince Jr., San Diego's most notorious serial killer, writes on a prisoner "pen-pal" website that he is "open minded, compassionate, and caring."

And Eric Anderson, who murdered the owner of East County's Cajon Speedway during a 2003 robbery, writes in an online ad that he's a "caring person that's down to earth."

In total, at least 11 death-row inmates who were convicted in San Diego County currently have messages posted online. As a rule, the convicted murderers are seeking to make connections and change how the world perceives them.

The inmates rarely mention their crimes and portray themselves as kind, approachable and even sexy, despite the fact that romance from behind bars is difficult, if not impossible. Those who contact prisoners are sometimes motivated by greed or titillation, although others simply act out of compassion or hope to spur spiritual conversion.


The inmates are "a lot more than the sum total of whatever act led them to death row," said Richard Dieter, director of the Death Penalty Information Center, which opposes capital punishment. "They certainly have their softer human side that most people don't realize. After 10 or 15 years of having time to rethink, to not be in abusive situations, people change."

But victims' rights advocates say the online posts are an outrage because they allow murderers like six-time killer Prince, who terrorized the University City and Clairemont neighborhoods in 1990, to disguise their true selves.

"The thought of him trying to communicate with well-meaning innocent people who may think they feel compassion for him turns my stomach," said Chris Saunders, a former television reporter who covered the Prince trial and is now a board member of the locally based Crime Victims Fund.

While the bulk of the personal and pen-pal ads were posted in the last several years, California death-row inmates have actually been utilizing the internet for more than a decade. Prisoners aren't allowed to go directly online directly because of the risk that they'll engage in criminal activity or target families of victims, but they can legally ask people on the outside to post messages for them.

The first online posts by prisoners appeared in the early days of the internet's popularity. Dean Carter, a death-row inmate convicted of killing four women in San Diego, Los Angeles and Oakland, began posting on a site called Deadman Talking in 1995.

Carter, who says he is innocent, has posted 46 messages to the site through an intermediary outside the prison. The most recent message, posted in October 2008, tells the story of an inmate's eight-month odyssey to get special shoes for his large feet.

Other prisoners post messages on sites like prisonvoice.com, prisonpenpals.com or friendsbeyondthewall.com. Interested people outside prison walls must respond by mail at first, although prisoners can later call them or meet them during prison visiting hours.

Some death row-inmates use their online posts to seek pen pals, including two of California's most notorious killers: Charles Ng, who murdered at least 11 people, and Richard Allen Davis, who is still appealing his conviction in the 1993 murder of 12-year-old Polly Klaas. The high-profile case helped inspire California's "three-strikes" law.

Prince, the San Diego serial murderer known as the "Clairemont Killer," is looking for friends and advocates in his ad, posted on a Canadian anti-death penalty site.


Prince writes: "I'm an intelligent open minded, compassionate, and caring soul who is looking for someone to brighten a fella's day with a letter or whatever. ... What am I looking for? Someone I can share my thoughts, feelings, and experience with, in other words a friend."

Death-row inmates like Prince have limited opportunities to make friends inside prison. They live in single-person, 4-foot-by-9-foot cells and don't leave for meals, although they can go outside for five hours a day, said spokesman Lt. Sam Robinson at San Quentin State Prison near San Francisco, where almost all male death-row inmates are housed.

Inmates seeking connections with the outside world often have motives other than friendship. Some are seeking advocates, while others want romance.

Susan Eubanks' ad on a site called cowtowninfo.com, for example, provides her measurements and includes two photographs that apparently were taken before she was jailed for killing her boys, all under the age of 15.

"I enjoy writing, am fun loving, I love to laugh," her ad says. "For the most part, I am optimistic in life and try not to take myself too seriously."

Like many other online posts by prisoners, the Eubanks ad includes information about her crimes. According to a Union-Tribune article, "she said she killed her boys as a final act of love in what was an attempted murder-suicide."

Cowtowninfo.com only includes ads by female prisoners and regularly names a "jailbabe of the month." Eubanks, whose ad was posted in 2007, has not received that honor.

Even if death-row inmates like Eubanks develop romantic connections with outsiders, their options are limited. While the inmates can meet people during visiting hours and touch them, they cannot have conjugal visits, meaning sexual intimacy with people they meet online is impossible.

However, death-row inmates in California can get married, and at least 10 do so each year, Robinson said. One groom was Richard Ramirez, the "Night Stalker."

Letters may be the next best thing to physical intimacy, said University of San Diego law professor Shaun Martin, because for some prisoners, "the only erotic experience they get is probably some titillating letters back and forth." Martin added that it's said that "the best heterosexual sex you can get in prison is through the mails."

Posting an ad from prison often isn't free. Writeaprisoner.com, one of the most high-profile pen-pal sites, charges $40 to post an ad for a year. The site typically allows any prisoner to post, although it makes exceptions if someone is particularly notorious, said Adam Lovell, the site's president and founder. "We don't want to put all the attention on the most infamous ones," he said.

The site currently features ads from 16 California death-row inmates. One is Anderson, the killer of the Cajon Speedway owner. His ad, posted last April, includes a photo of Anderson before his imprisonment and describes him as a 35-year-old philosophy fan who enjoys making people laugh.

According to Lovell, three states -- Florida, Indiana and Missouri -- don't allow prisoners to post ads online. Prisoner-rights advocates hope courts will throw out the regulations on free-speech grounds.

Martin, the law professor, said death-row prisoners have rights despite their crimes. "I'm sure there are plenty who would say 'No, no, throw them all into solitary,'" he said. "I believe allowing people to communicate is just an essential part of being human, and there's no real downside to letting people talk. Humans are social animals, and to not allow pen pals just seems horribly cruel even for the worst of offenders."

Those who contact prisoners from beyond prison walls have a variety of motives of their own.

Some are titillated by the prospect of communicating with people behind bars, said Jody Lewen, executive director of the Prison University Project, which provides education to inmates at San Quentin State Prison.

"I have certainly encountered plenty of people who seek out contact with prisoners because it sounds 'exciting' to them," Lewen said via e-mail. "Some people evidently get a thrill from the idea of having contact with 'scary people.' For some, the whole scene seems to have an almost erotic dimension."

But on the whole, she said, "most people who seek out a pen pal in prison do so out of compassion, and this is surely true whether the prisoner is condemned to death or simply incarcerated. ... They see writing as a way to break down that person's isolation."

Many pen pals have another motivation: spiritual conversion. "Over 50 percent of mail that goes to death-row inmates is religious," said Lovell of writeaprisoner.com. "They're trying to get them to embrace whatever god they pray to."

Other motives aren't so pure. Some who contact prisoners are out to make a buck by developing relationships with famous murderers and then selling their letters or artwork.

Online stores routinely sell drawings and paintings created by serial killers, and even routine paperwork may have value if it's written by a famous murderer. A site called supernaught.com, for example, is selling a handwritten letter said to be written by San Diego serial killer Prince for $8.99.

And on murderauction.com, a Belgian dealer is trying to find a buyer for a handwritten letter by Prince that includes a drawing of a rose impaling a heart.

Please contact Randy Dotinga directly at rdotinga@aol.com with your thoughts, ideas, personal stories or tips. Or set the tone of the debate with a letter to the editor.



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Posted 09 March 2009 - 06:10 PM

I got nothing :huh:

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 06:14 PM

Lookin' for love in all the wrong places AGAIN Woody?

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 06:25 PM

Save the cougars!

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 06:44 PM

I got nothing :huh:


Me too


They got "Life"

wonder how many on PA are in a Ummmmmm Cubical :o


BJ you just got to give every Cougar a chance "NOT" <_<

That's why I like to meet people "in person" Not on-line B)









(PS: I was just looking for a "Perfect" Birthday gift for someone) :lol:

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 09:51 PM

Lookin' for love in all the wrong places AGAIN Woody?


Don't we all... once in a lifetime?

Cheerio

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 10:57 PM

Lookin' for love in all the wrong places AGAIN Woody?


Don't we all... once in a lifetime?

Cheerio

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What are you talking about? Of course not! Five, ten minutes tops, maybe.

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 12:30 AM

Lookin' for love in all the wrong places AGAIN Woody?


Don't we all... once in a lifetime?

Cheerio

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What are you talking about? Of course not! Five, ten minutes tops, maybe.


I meant meeting people in the wrong place..... at the wrong time. To be honest, usually it's not the place nor the time that are wrong: it's the person. Only we blame the place to excuse ousrelves for having been.... stupid.

One of my favourite quotes from Sex and the City:

"Carrie: I do not pick the wrong guys. They pick me.
Miranda: So what, you're like a flystrip for dysfunctional men?
Carrie: Yeah, but one of those really pretty floral scented ones"


Cheerio

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PS. And DA WOODY, one doesn't meet peopl on line. You merelly chat....

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 12:38 AM

Thanks

Woody


You are

very thoughtful

to post that


Thanks

again Woody

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 01:29 AM

anyone check out the chick-pix

better lot than the KWRW mugs

+ there locked up so they can't bug ya in person

Looks like they have all they need for a Hot Calendar (something SA couldn't pull-off)

I'll bet Not One looks like the pix


Like this one: http://cowtowninfo.c...079/f07-959.htm

Willing to relocate - YES :o :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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or this one: http://cowtowninfo.c...10/f08-1046.htm


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Posted 10 March 2009 - 01:33 AM

"there locked up so they can't bug ya in person"

Excellent choice Woody.

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 01:49 AM

These chicks all seem to have cell-ulite.................

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 02:05 AM

"there locked up so they can't bug ya in person"

Excellent choice Woody.


did we strike a nerve ?????

too close to home or something ??????

or is it a combo "Warm Weather" and "Hot Chicks in a Can" that's frustrated ya ???????

do you mind the KWRW threads too :huh:




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---> http://cowtowninfo.c...088/f08-857.htm

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 03:17 AM

These chicks all seem to have cell-ulite.................


1. cellulite

Actually a myth; "cellulite" describes more of a look of fat than the actual fat itself. Fat is fat, the only way to get rid of it is through diet and exercise.

The look of "cellulite" is that of cottage cheese, which is actually caused by the sporadic connection between the skin and the muscle.

"I should use cellulite cream to get rid of my fat."
"No, you fat bitch, get off your ass and exercise, don't waste your money."


(...)

6. cellulite
That rippling snot-consistency stuff that your mother is constantly talking about removing.

Fo shizzle, dude... Your mom's ass would look tight if it wasn't for that big blotch of cottage cheese cellulite on her thighs.



7. Cellulite
The fatness on legs that hangs over when you are over the limit
DAMNNN look at that bitches cellulite

Urban Dictionary, bien sűr


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Posted 10 March 2009 - 03:21 AM

I know you're from Portugal so in lieu of trying to explain my awful pun I'll just tell you I love you instead.

Does that work?...........B)

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 03:31 AM

"there locked up so they can't bug ya in person"

Excellent choice Woody.


did we strike a nerve ?????

too close to home or something ??????

or is it a combo "Warm Weather" and "Hot Chicks in a Can" that's frustrated ya ???????

do you mind the KWRW threads too :huh:




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You can't make this shit up. From the little junkie's own personal file;



Race: Caucasian

Sexual Preference: Men/Women




Date of Birth: 07/21/1972 Age: 36
Release Date: 01/05/2015 Marital Status
Height: 5'4" Weight: 125 pounds
Measurements: 36-26-36
Hair Color Strawberry Blonde Eye Color: Blue
Religion: Christian
Children: None
Education: Some college
Occupation/Career: Safety Management
Reason for incarceration: Drugs
Willing to relocate? Yes


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Posted 10 March 2009 - 03:37 AM

I know you're from Portugal so in lieu of trying to explain my awful pun I'll just tell you I love you instead.

Does that work?...........B)


http://www.youtube.c...h?v=D-4RBugO9LU

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 04:28 PM

Willing to relocate - YES!

http://cowtowninfo.c...075/f07-544.htm
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what's a little "FACKING Capital Murder" WTF

she might get to go sailing in 2038 ???????

http://cowtowninfo.c...f06/f06-051.htm

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 11:27 PM

what's a little "FACKING Capital Murder" WTF

I think that I know her, or dated her in the distant past (it may have been her sister), but what do I know, SHUDDER.

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 11:55 PM

what's a little "FACKING Capital Murder" WTF

I think that I know her, or dated her in the distant past (it may have been her sister), but what do I know, SHUDDER.



Is it all starting to come back to you now?......................





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Posted 10 March 2009 - 11:58 PM

what's a little "FACKING Capital Murder" WTF

I think that I know her, or dated her in the distant past (it may have been her sister), but what do I know, SHUDDER.



Is it all starting to come back to you now?......................





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It's the wax, I hate the wax!

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 12:04 AM

what's a little "FACKING Capital Murder" WTF

I think that I know her, or dated her in the distant past (it may have been her sister), but what do I know, SHUDDER.



Is it all starting to come back to you now?......................





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It's the wax, I hate ate the wax!



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Posted 11 March 2009 - 12:10 AM

Is it all starting to come back to you now?......................





It's the wax, I hate ate the wax!

Thanks Booth, that explains alot!!!!!

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 12:20 AM

Occupation/Career: Safety Management
Reason for incarceration: Drugs

She was just trying to have a safety meeting.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 12:30 AM

or this one: http://cowtowninfo.c...10/f08-1046.htm


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False advertising. There is no way that's a "D", unless she got implants in prison.

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 12:33 AM

or this one: http://cowtowninfo.c...10/f08-1046.htm


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False advertising. There is no way that's a "D", unless she got implants in prison.



Plus I've seen this pic before. And it sure as hell wasn't on a prison dating site............

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 01:52 AM

what's a little "FACKING Capital Murder" WTF

I think that I know her, or dated her in the distant past (it may have been her sister), but what do I know, SHUDDER.



Is it all starting to come back to you now?......................





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It's the wax, I hate the wax!


I know... You don't wax. At least not your legs...

Cheerio

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 02:02 AM

or this one: http://cowtowninfo.c...10/f08-1046.htm


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False advertising. There is no way that's a "D", unless she got implants in prison.



Plus I've seen this pic before. And it sure as hell wasn't on a prison dating site............


Kinda looks like that could be a HE


what a Fucked up world when even prison chicks can't be trusted

Bad enough we can't trust our City & State Government (any mention of Fed's and this is PA fonder)

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 02:56 AM

or this one: http://cowtowninfo.c...10/f08-1046.htm


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False advertising. There is no way that's a "D", unless she got implants in prison.



Plus I've seen this pic before. And it sure as hell wasn't on a prison dating site............


Kinda looks like that could be a HE


what a Fucked up world when even prison chicks can't be trusted

Bad enough we can't trust our City & State Government (any mention of Fed's and this is PA fonder)


Sorry to disappoint, guys, but she's a C at the most

Cheerio

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 04:02 AM

or this one: http://cowtowninfo.c...10/f08-1046.htm


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False advertising. There is no way that's a "D", unless she got implants in prison.



Plus I've seen this pic before. And it sure as hell wasn't on a prison dating site............


Kinda looks like that could be a HE


what a Fucked up world when even prison chicks can't be trusted

Bad enough we can't trust our City & State Government (any mention of Fed's and this is PA fonder)


Sorry to disappoint, guys, but she's a C at the most

Cheerio

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Feel free to spit out the hook :lol:

and calibrate your monitor ;)

that's a SoCal B-Flat

as in if that's what your tits look like

You "B-Flat"

still think it looks like a puto-dude jus sayin B)

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 04:09 PM

what's a little "FACKING Capital Murder" WTF

she might get to go sailing in 2038 ???????

http://cowtowninfo.c...f06/f06-051.htm

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She doesn't sound too remorseful, if you read her Bio


5/9/2006
Updated 12/29/2007

Texas

Hispanic beauty seeking life long friendship with one wonderful man.

I have a lot to share with my Special Man. My zest for life has no boundaries. I'm smart, full of energy and my heart is bursting with love that I want to share. Sexy? I put the *Capital "S" on Sexy! but I'll let you decide that for yourself. They say a pictures is worth a thousand words. :)

I love music. My favorite song is, "Come on Baby Light My Fire". I'm lonely and waiting on you to choose me, then I'll be lucky.

So what do you say, "Come on Baby....Light My Fire!"

Write me!!

*Reason for incarceration: Capital Murder :o :lol: :lol: :huh:

poor choice of words or just a hang-up
"No need to know" ??





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