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#1 dorydude

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Posted 10 March 2009 - 11:50 PM

Well, perhaps more than half. :o

Y'see... in February, Baxter sent a whole bunch of flu vaccines to Eastern Europe. When they were tested, it turns out that the vaccines contained live H5N1 bird flu virus. This would have enabled H5N1 to make the "species jump" which it previously had found to be so hard.

Had these vaccines slipped through the testing unnoticed , then a global flu pandemic would have almost certainly have been started.

Baxter dismisses this incident as a "mistake".

Puzzling thing is the lack of media coverage :blink: . Would have thought this was a huge story..

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 08:20 AM

FYI.

Vaccines such as the flu vaccine are made from virus proteins.

They never contain complete viruses, dead or alive.

This was no mistake. :angry:

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:17 AM

FYI.

Vaccines such as the flu vaccine are made from virus proteins.

They never contain complete viruses, dead or alive.

This was no mistake. :angry:


So what are you saying? Someone with high enough security clearance inside the company was trying to play god or was it just a monumental fuck up?

Either way how reassuring.................

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 11:06 AM

FYI.

Vaccines such as the flu vaccine are made from virus proteins.

They never contain complete viruses, dead or alive.

This was no mistake. :angry:


So what are you saying? Someone with high enough security clearance inside the company was trying to play god or was it just a monumental fuck up?

Either way how reassuring.................


No, he just doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Vaccines, including for instance the nasal flu vaccine, are often made with live, weakened viruses that cannot cause the original illness.

As they said, probably just a mistake. Pretty scary though.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 11:53 AM

basically means someones getting their ass canned without a severance package

#6 MoeAlfa

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 12:16 PM

This wasn't vaccine. As I understand it, it was an experimental product containing live, unattenuated H3N2 strain, which was contaminated with live H5N1. It was never intended for administration to humans. Grrr is right that some vaccines, including the nasal flu vaccine contain live, attenuated virus, but this was not such. The regular flu shot contains killed virus.

The lovely thing about the Baxter product is that H3N2 is highly infectious in humans and H5N1, while particularly deadly, is not. Therefore, an infection with both viruses would have resulted in ideal conditions for the exchange of genetic material between the strains, possibly resulting in a hybrid combining H3N2's virulence with H5N1's sick-making ability--very bad.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 12:17 PM

basically means someones getting their ass canned without a severance package


Also a free visits from mean people from the government.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 12:36 PM

basically means someones getting their ass canned without a severance package


Also a free visits from mean people from the government.


one would hope......

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 01:44 PM

Unreal. You'd think there'd be some massive protocol controls
to prevent stuff like that from happening.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 03:08 PM

This wasn't vaccine. As I understand it, it was an experimental product containing live, unattenuated H3N2 strain, which was contaminated with live H5N1. It was never intended for administration to humans. Grrr is right that some vaccines, including the nasal flu vaccine contain live, attenuated virus, but this was not such. The regular flu shot contains killed virus.

The lovely thing about the Baxter product is that H3N2 is highly infectious in humans and H5N1, while particularly deadly, is not. Therefore, an infection with both viruses would have resulted in ideal conditions for the exchange of genetic material between the strains, possibly resulting in a hybrid combining H3N2's virulence with H5N1's sick-making ability--very bad.



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Posted 12 March 2009 - 03:29 PM

Wow- someone woke up on the doom and gloom side of the bed.

The article quoted says the product went from one research facility to another.
The european community was not about to be wiped out.
Yet.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 03:45 PM

Well, perhaps more than half. :o

Y'see... in February, Baxter sent a whole bunch of flu vaccines to Eastern Europe. When they were tested, it turns out that the vaccines contained live H5N1 bird flu virus. This would have enabled H5N1 to make the "species jump" which it previously had found to be so hard.

Had these vaccines slipped through the testing unnoticed , then a global flu pandemic would have almost certainly have been started.

Baxter dismisses this incident as a "mistake".

Puzzling thing is the lack of media coverage :blink: . Would have thought this was a huge story..

LINKY


Well, that's one way to deal with a global financial crisis.

#13 Bump-n-Grind

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 03:49 PM

Well, perhaps more than half. :o

Y'see... in February, Baxter sent a whole bunch of flu vaccines to Eastern Europe. When they were tested, it turns out that the vaccines contained live H5N1 bird flu virus. This would have enabled H5N1 to make the "species jump" which it previously had found to be so hard.

Had these vaccines slipped through the testing unnoticed , then a global flu pandemic would have almost certainly have been started.

Baxter dismisses this incident as a "mistake".

Puzzling thing is the lack of media coverage :blink: . Would have thought this was a huge story..

LINKY


Well, that's one way to deal with a global financial crisis.

yeah, we haven't had a good plague in a long time..

BRING OUT YER DEAD!!

#14 Shaggy

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 03:53 PM

Where is 007/Austin/smart when you need them. Sounds like Goldfinger/DR evil/Chaos have their fingerprints all over this.....



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 04:02 PM

basically means someones getting their ass canned without a severance package



Hmmm....one of these guys?

http://www.linkedin....ompanies/baxter

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 04:09 PM

The obligatory MP...

The Dead Collector: Bring out yer dead.
(a man puts a body on the cart)
Large Man with Dead Body: Here's one.
The Dead Collector: That'll be ninepence.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not dead.
The Dead Collector: What?
Large Man with Dead Body: Nothing. There's your ninepence.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not dead.
The Dead Collector: 'Ere, he says he's not dead.
Large Man with Dead Body: Yes he is.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not.
The Dead Collector: He isn't.
Large Man with Dead Body: Well, he will be soon, he's very ill.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm getting better.
Large Man with Dead Body: No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment.
The Dead Collector: Well, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I don't want to go on the cart.
Large Man with Dead Body: Oh, don't be such a baby.
The Dead Collector: I can't take him.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I feel fine.
Large Man with Dead Body: Oh, do me a favor.
The Dead Collector: I can't.
Large Man with Dead Body: Well, can you hang around for a couple of minutes? He won't be long.
The Dead Collector: I promised I'd be at the Robinsons'. They've lost nine today.
Large Man with Dead Body: Well, when's your next round?
The Dead Collector: Thursday.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I think I'll go for a walk.
Large Man with Dead Body: You're not fooling anyone, you know. Isn't there anything you could do?
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I feel happy. I feel happy.
(the Dead Collector glances up and down the street furtively, then silences the Body with his a whack of his club)
Large Man with Dead Body: Ah, thank you very much.
The Dead Collector: Not at all. See you on Thursday.
Large Man with Dead Body: Right.




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