[14s Forever!]

There maybe a thread already. But that clear coat carbon 14 is pure boat porn.

Does anyone know the weight?
Cheers,
Alex

[capsizeking]

Yeah, looks awesome. But how about the hull heating up in sunlight? Could that be an issue?

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Does anyone know the weight?

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My wild guess: way under minimum weight so will be stacked to the racks with lead!! Someone got more pics of it??

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[nige]

capsizeking, on Mar 25 2009, 04:34 PM, said:

Yeah, looks awesome. But how about the hull heating up in sunlight? Could that be an issue?

Plenty of other dinghies are built in clear carbon - obviously you have covers for them as with any other boat and take the hatches out when you get off the water - as long as it can breath (and it is no doubt post cured anyway) it will be fine.

[Munter]

What is with the curved bilges - is that a class requirement? I thought finer sections with chines were the go on skiff hulls like that one?

[Shu]

Munter, on Mar 25 2009, 06:38 PM, said:

What is with the curved bilges - is that a class requirement? I thought finer sections with chines were the go on skiff hulls like that one?

Not a class requirement, but these are 14 foot dinghys built for two adults; they need to support some weight. It is not clear in the photo, but the boat has chines - and a curved bottom. 14's actually have pretty fine sections. The photo exagerates the fullness.

[Matt D]

Very cool boat. Well done Lawnboy!

I've got my suspicions on it's weight, but will let others speculate before jumping in.

[5o5crew]

Once upon a time someone built a clear coat 5oh, so I'm told. I'm sure a few others in DA could tell you the sail no and year. It apparently didn't stay clear coat very long- just too hot to sail.

capsizeking, on Mar 25 2009, 07:34 PM, said:

Yeah, looks awesome. But how about the hull heating up in sunlight? Could that be an issue?

[neilp]

5o5crew, on Mar 26 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

Once upon a time someone built a clear coat 5oh, so I'm told. I'm sure a few others in DA could tell you the sail no and year. It apparently didn't stay clear coat very long- just too hot to sail.

capsizeking, on Mar 25 2009, 07:34 PM, said:

Yeah, looks awesome. But how about the hull heating up in sunlight? Could that be an issue?

It was built by Rondar, I believe. I remember the bare hull being exhibited, at the Dinghy Show in the UK, stood on its transom. Can't exactly recall the year, but I'd guess between 98 and 01.

[_Chris_]

5o5crew, on Mar 26 2009, 07:21 AM, said:

just too hot

got that right.

[Danneskjold184]

I was under the impression that very dark colors like black would warm up too much and warp under the sun.

[Pete M]

min hull weight is 163 lbs (74.25 kg)

woofie (of rmw) has built B5s light enough that 50% of the weight is lead - I would guess something like that

[RogerIC]

Lasersailor184, on Mar 26 2009, 04:49 PM, said:

I was under the impression that very dark colors like black would warm up too much and warp under the sun.

my IC (GER 68) has a clear coated carbon hull finish and a wooden deck - no problems witth warm up or warping (and looks awesome) because its water cooled al the time ...
I think a black deck would make some troubles and would not feel comfortable on a hot sunny day...

Roger
IC GER 68 + 78

[Pete M]

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I was under the impression that very dark colors like black would warm up too much and warp under the sun.

I think these boats are 'claved, or at least oven baked, any heating will just post cure them and raise the Tg temp higher

[Sorta]

Pete M, on Mar 26 2009, 11:55 AM, said:

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I was under the impression that very dark colors like black would warm up too much and warp under the sun.

I think these boats are 'claved, or at least oven baked, any heating will just post cure them and raise the Tg temp higher

Fully autoclaved - CHECK
Underweight - BIG CHECK
Hot on yer arse - CHECK (Lawnboy - we are going to Sydney in the middle of their summer where daytime temps are often 40 degrees Celcius with UV index off the charts, so carry plenty of water and perhaps a parasol !)

Class weight is 163lbs min, and I think this will likely carry a "50" somewhere near the daggerboard trunk giving you an idea of what went in to the boat. Well done you guys - it looks totally awesome (not to mention the crazy dolly made from things I would still be putting on a boat....)

Name : ORANGE WHIP (photo name gave it away). How apropo for the 14 fleet.

[Big Show]

If Darth Vader were to hump a Ferrari Enzo this 14 would be their lovechild.

Fuzzy dice worthy.

[Liquid]

If the min weight is 163, why make a boat 50% less than that only to have to add lead to bring it back up to weight? Wouldn't it be better to use that extra weight to beef up the boat to make it bomb proof rather than feather light...? Sure, make it under weight so you have room for fittings and class rules weight reductions, but 50% under?

[Al.]

Liquid, on Mar 26 2009, 07:01 PM, said:

If the min weight is 163, why make a boat 50% less than that only to have to add lead to bring it back up to weight? Wouldn't it be better to use that extra weight to beef up the boat to make it bomb proof rather than feather light...? Sure, make it under weight so you have room for fittings and class rules weight reductions, but 50% under?

Shits and giggles? Idiot bling factor?
Of course, using the same materials/process and going more bomb proof would make it more expensive, but then, money's not exactly a consideration with an I14 is it?

[nige]

Liquid, on Mar 26 2009, 12:01 PM, said:

If the min weight is 163, why make a boat 50% less than that only to have to add lead to bring it back up to weight? Wouldn't it be better to use that extra weight to beef up the boat to make it bomb proof rather than feather light...? Sure, make it under weight so you have room for fittings and class rules weight reductions, but 50% under?

I think its a bit more than 50% of 75KG's but I would assume even as light as it is that its pretty bomb proof and once its strong enough you want to centralize all the weight.

[lawnboy]

Why build it so light?

Because we can!!

101 lbs with clear coat and no fittings

98.2 lbs pre paint

cockpit and foredeck are getting covered with grip and graphics to avoid the temperature issue.

still have to build the rig and order new sails. should be on the water sometime in May.

the hull is like a mirror, i used it to shave this morning! :)

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[Phil S]

Lovely job Rob,
That weight does make a mockery of the I14 decision last year NOT to reduce the minimum hull weight.

[Mitch]

weight reduction is a tough one

still some club competitive B2's right around weight - a boat overweight takes a hit in resale value.

home build is encouraged, if not common, and not many home builders have autoclaves.... It is possible to build a home-built at around 145 pounds, saw it done several times a decade ago. Like many of us, boats gain a bit of weight as they age.

[BalticBandit]

Mitch, on Mar 26 2009, 09:41 PM, said:

weight reduction is a tough one

still some club competitive B2's right around weight - a boat overweight takes a hit in resale value.

home build is encouraged, if not common, and not many home builders have autoclaves.... It is possible to build a home-built at around 145 pounds, saw it done several times a decade ago. Like many of us, boats gain a bit of weight as they age.

But in effect these boats already are overweight. if the rules required the underweight boats to put the weight split 50,25,25 into each of the corners of the boat, that's one thing, but when you can stick it on centerline in both dimensions, the B2s have already been pimped.

[Big Show]

If Man o' War slipped it to an F-117 Nighthawk...

[Godfrey Bigot]

Mitch, on Mar 27 2009, 08:41 AM, said:

weight reduction is a tough one

home build is encouraged, if not common, and not many home builders have autoclaves.... It is possible to build a home-built at around 145 pounds, saw it done several times a decade ago.

The aussie 14ft dinghys had a minimum weight of 140 lbs before they joined with the rest of the world.These were usually wet layup epoxy/foam and done in backyards vacum bagged and underweight without a autoclave in sight.

[Andrew P]

Godfrey Bigot, on Mar 27 2009, 01:19 PM, said:

Mitch, on Mar 27 2009, 08:41 AM, said:

weight reduction is a tough one

home build is encouraged, if not common, and not many home builders have autoclaves.... It is possible to build a home-built at around 145 pounds, saw it done several times a decade ago.

The aussie 14ft dinghys had a minimum weight of 140 lbs before they joined with the rest of the world.These were usually wet layup epoxy/foam and done in backyards vacum bagged and underweight without a autoclave in sight.

Ask PTf how he feels about a light claved boat that delaminated the whole of the bow section to the front of the CB case in germany. Light may be good but it better be tough enough for some Drug Lord style chop jumping come xmas time.