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[davidprobable]

Red Jacket was a '69 41 footer.....first done in balsa core......it made the C&C name. The 39 was built at Bruckmann's not the production shop in Niagara on the Lake. It was semi custom and very well built. It was their first shot at IOR really. Lovely boat. From there I went to an S&S Custom 46 in aluminum for Admiral's Cup. We beat Amazing Grace for the Lake Ontario Cup but didn't do Admiral's Cup because of the cost. Grace gave us time and we beat her boat for boat regardless. This was the way racing went. I said thx but no thx. Our boat was driven by Bill Langen who designed her and had pros from North and from the 12 meter bin in New York. Grace had a C&C factory team. I went from there into 50 + size Flda sport fish and said to hell with it. No value in just writing cheques. Came back into sailing 8 years ago and keep a boat at RCYC. That's why I crap on rcyc and am so sad that big boat sailing is essentially dead. Crap, when Farr 40's are considered a boat of value the world is at an end. ONe designs are killing sailing. We need to get back to the likes of Dynamo and Avanti and Bonaventure and Aquarius .... there is lots of money out there...........but there is no racing that involves design and build. Until that comes back, racing will continue to go in the dumpster. One design is death.

[jetfuel]

i totally agree with you
There is something to be said about having a boat designed andgetting involved with the process. Then getting out there and racing it.
Red jacket is still a beautiful boat. Pretty is always pretty. I sailed with Bernie many times and still sail the last Bonaventure occasionally with his wife. God bless Bernie Hermann.

[davidprobable]

Bonaventure the 54 racer, is owned by some weird Doctor in Denver .... Greek ....... he sent it to greece and butchered it...........tried twice to buy it back from him but either the thin air or too much nitrogen killed any chance. I can't even get a nostalgia regatta going at rcyc. Two 43's are at rcyc....rampage and caprice.......two others are in bronte......longreach and usual suspects.....thats 4 from the early '70s plus red jacket.....many other early IOR boats (ie part cca) could be resurrected and create great racing for not a lot of money, but all that rcyc does is around the cans racing.......I think it is their addiction to 8 meters as their god that causes it.........but sadly the days of Bernie et al are gone. Again, a builder friend of mine who has done at least two or more Can Cup boats says it best when he says builders in Canada have been killed by Farr and One Design Racing. He told Farr that when they offered him the farr 40 molds for nothing.....freebie......he said get stuffed...........this is why sailing is dead or dying. Big fat dinghies will make lovely grave stones. Hey as proof, rcyc has cut the introduction fee by 50% if you join without a boat. How's that for sailing incentive.

[jetfuel]

I sail on the last one he had made at Wiggers 10 yrs ago
Not a racing machine but a nice boat

[blunted]

Oh come now David, you know that not all custom design, build and racing at the RCYC is dead! It's just all the good action plays out at the dinghy docks these days. You should come by for a drink some time.

[davidprobable]

I sail on the last one he had made at Wiggers 10 yrs ago
Not a racing machine but a nice boat

I last saw Bernie sitting on a stern rail seat sailing in the harbour. Loved racing against Bonnie. Sadly Bernies ilk are gone. Look at all the money in the rcyc and what do they buy?.....French javex bottles of zero provenance. Nobody on the Board to my knowledge has ever contracted a racing design build over 40 feet. Not aware of any long distance races run by rcyc. Granted they have the Eaton group of great multihull sailors and they have the dinghy dock referenced by Blunted, but that's it. Banging around the cans in the harbour is so lame. It can be fun if not taken seriously, but it is not racing of a form to interest people in a ChiMac for instance. I believe the ChiMac trophy was won by Usual suspects , an early '70s C&C Custom 43 last year or the year before, out of Bronte....time flies when you get older. RCYC is a nice club visually and gastronomically but beyond that it is just a neighbourhood wherein you wave at your neighbour as you walk down the street. They just had a shareholder/member insurrection that left a bad taste with everybody. They have too many squash players trying to interfere in sailing. And you should have heard the 1939 comments in respect of merging with Island Yacht Club. Its a mess. Your friend Mr Wiggers is a member and never goes there. Just pays his minimum. He and Mark Ellis and George Cuthbertson are ignored by the Squash players etc running the place. How the hell did you get me on this rant? I shall continue sailing out of RCYC for many reasons. I avoid and ignore the freakazoids with nothing in their lives but RCYC and the city cottage it provides them and the forum for their " need to rule " egoes.

[davidprobable]

Oh come now David, you know that not all custom design, build and racing at the RCYC is dead! It's just all the good action plays out at the dinghy docks these days. You should come by for a drink some time.

Blunted good to hear from you. Hope you are sailing down south somewhere. I was at the city club yesterday for brunch and it was empty. I shall look for you when the island club opens. Are you in the bar or brown bagging it on the dinghy club steps? Are you and Fred going to do the C Class this year? Always pretty to see on the lake. As for my comment about design build, I know Fred did a custom with Bruckmann, or I think that is true. But he is the exception. Design/ build is dead in my opinion at rcyc. They always had better creative people at Island YC, such as Bernie Herman, and Sid Bregman, and Kohler and Moog etc etc. Rcyc has become a cottage community with big French condominiums. It cannot be legislated out. It is a culture thing. When I got into IOR A back in mid '70s it was because that was what everyone wanted to be part of. No One Design communism back then. Dinghies were for kids and the odd weirdo. Olympics were keel boats. But now no one does design/build. AS you say, the action is on the dinghy docks........come by for a drink. As nice as that sounds, it is the death knell of the club prior culture of design build. The club is now sailing middle class culture and therefore a delight to Obama et al. Do come by my old culture boat anytime for a drink.........martini I should think.

[crashdog]

[snip]

The club is now sailing middle class culture and therefore a delight to Obama et al. Do come by my old culture boat anytime for a drink.........martini I should think.

Geez this is one of the most boring things ever.

ever.

Sailing's a redneck sport. Done by fishermen and tugboat hands. Just like riding a horse (or equitation, if you must). Done by farmers and cowboys. No amount of lawyering wannabe yachties will change that.

(do agree about the design/build v large boat one-design - happen to think that design has moved forward from the crap IOR slowboat days)

[Big Show]

W in TF???

From: Don Finkle <don@rcryachts.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 22:54:03
Subject: Youngstown Level Regatta Important Announcement

News from the 2013 Youngstown Level Regatta event:

Most readers know of, and have probably sailed in, one or more Levels over our 39 year history. The final Youngstown Level, our 40th, will take place the weekend of July 27-28, 2013. We have special plans for this year and you won't want to miss it, we want our 40th and last Level to be memorable.

When we started the Level in 1974 with 20 boats we had no idea at the time that it would grow to become one of the largest and most popular events on the Great Lakes, three times exceeding 400 boats including an amazing 466 boats one year. (I think that was the year Heather was ready to commit me to the institution). But times have changed and we want to change with them.

Therefore this year's event will be the last Level as you have come to know it. Starting in 2014 we will hold a totally new and different event on the same weekend at the end of July. We are not getting out of the regatta game, only changing tacks if you will. However, the new event will not resemble the Level so you had better make plans to be in Youngstown this July so you can say you were here.

We are keeping plans for 2014 under wraps for now and you will know in due course what those will be. We ask you to go to Yacht Scoring now and register for Level 40 to help us with our planning and encourage others to sign up as well: http://www.yachtscor...enu.cfm?eID=743

Don Finkle
Race Chair

Rusty,

Put your best men on this and file a report.

Get back.

Show

[Charlie Noble]

Oh come now David, you know that not all custom design, build and racing at the RCYC is dead! It's just all the good action plays out at the dinghy docks these days. You should come by for a drink some time.

Blunted good to hear from you. Hope you are sailing down south somewhere. I was at the city club yesterday for brunch and it was empty. I shall look for you when the island club opens. Are you in the bar or brown bagging it on the dinghy club steps? Are you and Fred going to do the C Class this year? Always pretty to see on the lake. As for my comment about design build, I know Fred did a custom with Bruckmann, or I think that is true. But he is the exception. Design/ build is dead in my opinion at rcyc. They always had better creative people at Island YC, such as Bernie Herman, and Sid Bregman, and Kohler and Moog etc etc. Rcyc has become a cottage community with big French condominiums. It cannot be legislated out. It is a culture thing. When I got into IOR A back in mid '70s it was because that was what everyone wanted to be part of. No One Design communism back then. Dinghies were for kids and the odd weirdo. Olympics were keel boats. But now no one does design/build. AS you say, the action is on the dinghy docks........come by for a drink. As nice as that sounds, it is the death knell of the club prior culture of design build. The club is now sailing middle class culture and therefore a delight to Obama et al. Do come by my old culture boat anytime for a drink.........martini I should think.

DP is back on the air in yet another episode of "Welcome Back Codger"

[entropy]

W in TF???

From: Don Finkle <don@rcryachts.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 22:54:03
Subject: Youngstown Level Regatta Important Announcement

News from the 2013 Youngstown Level Regatta event:

Most readers know of, and have probably sailed in, one or more Levels over our 39 year history. The final Youngstown Level, our 40th, will take place the weekend of July 27-28, 2013. We have special plans for this year and you won't want to miss it, we want our 40th and last Level to be memorable.

When we started the Level in 1974 with 20 boats we had no idea at the time that it would grow to become one of the largest and most popular events on the Great Lakes, three times exceeding 400 boats including an amazing 466 boats one year. (I think that was the year Heather was ready to commit me to the institution). But times have changed and we want to change with them.

Therefore this year's event will be the last Level as you have come to know it. Starting in 2014 we will hold a totally new and different event on the same weekend at the end of July. We are not getting out of the regatta game, only changing tacks if you will. However, the new event will not resemble the Level so you had better make plans to be in Youngstown this July so you can say you were here.

We are keeping plans for 2014 under wraps for now and you will know in due course what those will be. We ask you to go to Yacht Scoring now and register for Level 40 to help us with our planning and encourage others to sign up as well: http://www.yachtscor...enu.cfm?eID=743

Don Finkle
Race Chair

Rusty,

Put your best men on this and file a report.

Get back.

Show

Yes, it's true. There are a bunch of reasons.

40 years is a nice round number. That and volunteer burnout are probably the official reasons.

The rest is just my opinion...

In truth, time and mission creep really got the Level Regatta. It is supposed to be a "Level" regatta, no ratings. For years the rule was" Boats will be assigned to classes by Don Finkle. No Bitching" Recently, lots of people complained that it wasn't fair, and now we have a lot of PHRF fleets. Many of us feel that the world needs less PHRF. Hard to get excited about running a PHRF Regatta.

The fun police haven't helped. Granted, when we had 450 boats, it was out of control by anyone's standard. We can get away with pretty much any debauchery and hi-jinks 'down the hill'. ( the Jug is considered 'down the hill') For a few glorious years, the mayhem totally swamped the village. That lead to hiring lots of security, and trying to tamp down the crazies. When it got back to 250 boats, the fun police insisted that the security stayed... The Liquor folks hated the semi-trailer full of free beer. That definitely looked like too much fun. Eventually the club was told, 'no more free beer or no more liquor licence for your bar'. You know people from YYC right?....Damn you fun police!

The Border thing may have been the last straw. In the day, you could go to the Level Regatta and pretty much see EVERYONE who sailed on the lake, and a ton of people from all over too. Now, the canadians pretty much stay in Niagara on the Lake and we don't see them at the party. I totally understand the Border hassle, but we need half a zillion drunk canucks interacting with half a zillion drunk yanks to really make it interesting... Last year was pretty bad. I saw a bunch of my canadian friends on the course but didn't get to drink with any of them at the party....makes you start thinking, what's the point.

YYC is a really, really small club. Generally, we like to race one-design hard and then party really hard. The Level Regatta has kind of outlived its usefulness.

As for the future? If history is a guide- there will be much plotting and scheming at both the YYC bar and the Jug. Someone will come up with the most awesome concept for a regatta ever. The next day, we will all have forgotten what the hell it was, and go with the second best idea that somehow stayed lodged in someones brain....

[jeff carver]

the guy has a way with words

[davidprobable]

Rolling Rock and Peppermint schnaups is the required grouping for cross border YYC/NOTL Regattas. Why not after partaking of serious racing and effecting the RRPS fandango, raft up everybody out by the Niagara Buoy and put the beer trailor on a barge as the center of the soiree. RCYC did this for a big boat lobster fest with success. Just cut out the land based busy bodies altogether. Train anti boarding parties to fend off the anti fun bureaucrats by claiming to be in non applicable waters eg. Homeland types arrive you tell them you are in Cdn waters and visa versa. Maybe even anchor an old freighter like they use for fireworks as the Regatta Base Camp. Anything to keep the old 450 inveterates going.

[entropy]

the guy has a way with words

Hey Carv,

What's your take on it?

One thing for sure, we need to give that thing a proper viking funeral

[davidprobable]

Fuck Entropy...........you caused entropy...........

[in_TO]

...a bunch of 24-27 footers

This reminds me :

If anyone with a boat in the 24-28' range would like to race in a PHRF spinnaker division on Tuesday nights at the National, send me a PM.

We race to the west of the island, on proper W/L courses with inflated tetrahedron marks.

Poda is coming over from TS&CC. Who else would like to join us?

The invitation is still open for boats in the 24-30 ft range, PHRF 180-200, to race on Tuesday nights in a spinnaker division. Proper windward-leewards around inflated marks. South of Ontario Place. 1830h first warning.

C&C 27s
Viking 28s
Pearson 30s
S2 6.7s
Farr 727s

Anyone owning or crewing on one of the above and similar around Humber Bay, send me a PM. Come out and have fun with the National

[Centurion]

Just over two months to go.

http://www.lorc.org/Schedule2013.htm

[in_TO]

Anyone have an email adddress for Jodi Pepper- Kamikaze (Tripp37)

PM me please

[juswannagofast]

Hey in_TO. I have it but your message box is full.

[in_TO]

Fixed

[jeff carver]

the guy has a way with words

Hey Carv,

What's your take on it?

One thing for sure, we need to give that thing a proper viking funeral

the "first last level regatta" kinda has a ring to it don't you think

[jeff carver]

Anyone have an email adddress for Jodi Pepper- Kamikaze (Tripp37)

PM me please

he's on here

[Centurion]

Copied from another thread.
Safety at Sea Seminar, RCYC

http://www.netdirect.../oler2.cgi?1018

[Pearl Necklace]

W in TF???

From: Don Finkle <don@rcryachts.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 22:54:03
Subject: Youngstown Level Regatta Important Announcement

News from the 2013 Youngstown Level Regatta event:

Most readers know of, and have probably sailed in, one or more Levels over our 39 year history. The final Youngstown Level, our 40th, will take place the weekend of July 27-28, 2013. We have special plans for this year and you won't want to miss it, we want our 40th and last Level to be memorable.

When we started the Level in 1974 with 20 boats we had no idea at the time that it would grow to become one of the largest and most popular events on the Great Lakes, three times exceeding 400 boats including an amazing 466 boats one year. (I think that was the year Heather was ready to commit me to the institution). But times have changed and we want to change with them.

Therefore this year's event will be the last Level as you have come to know it. Starting in 2014 we will hold a totally new and different event on the same weekend at the end of July. We are not getting out of the regatta game, only changing tacks if you will. However, the new event will not resemble the Level so you had better make plans to be in Youngstown this July so you can say you were here.

We are keeping plans for 2014 under wraps for now and you will know in due course what those will be. We ask you to go to Yacht Scoring now and register for Level 40 to help us with our planning and encourage others to sign up as well: http://www.yachtscor...enu.cfm?eID=743

Don Finkle
Race Chair

Rusty,

Put your best men on this and file a report.

Get back.

Show

Rusty, Show.
I'm in, gimme the nod.
I'm back

[in_TO]

National YC NORs posted

http://thenyc.com/ra..._docs.php?sub=1

Racing is open to boats from neighbouring clubs. Come join the fun outside the harbour.

[515]

If the sandbar at our club entrance continues to rise, I may just take you you up on that offer, otherwise, we are definitely there for LYRA.

[Centurion]

Bump.

[in_TO]

If the sandbar at our club entrance continues to rise, I may just take you you up on that offer, otherwise, we are definitely there for LYRA.

 

We would be pleased to have you back

[Centurion]

First regatta of the season coming in one month.

 

Finally!

 

ABYC Regatta

http://abyc.on.ca/?page_id=200

[515]

LORC registration is now open.

 

Sign up for one or all regattas at this, the correct link.

http://www.lorc.org/Registration.htm

 

As a reminder, there is a 10% discount if register for the season.

[Centurion]

One week to ABYC.

[jeff carver]

One week to ABYC.

need more 36.7's

[misconseption2348]

need more everything