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DZ 1.5 Sailing Photos New Sailing photos - Big mast, new amas

#1 Squid

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 02:26 AM

New wave piercing...
http://ft10.com/images/lrnew%20bow.jpg

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 02:33 AM

Squid, on Jul 24 2009, 10:26 PM, said:

New wave piercing...
http://ft10.com/images/lrnew%20bow.jpg

You are truely a wizard. One of the nicest photos of this boat I have seen yet.

WetHog :ph34r:

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 02:35 AM

Squid, on Jul 24 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

New wave piercing...

Wow - That's at over 20 knots? Looks good to me, I don't see the submarining that RG wondered about, after he selected some Dal shots to try point to it being an issue. That just looks NICE.

Cool mirroring of the distant shoreline too, great shot there. Wind is from the south?

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 02:39 AM

Stingray, on Jul 24 2009, 07:35 PM, said:

Squid, on Jul 24 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

New wave piercing...

The 'distant shoreline' is Mexico - an island off shore about 10 miles. That is over 20 knots. You will see the submarining soon. I'll get to those in a bit. Here is another teaser.
http://ft10.com/images/bowdown.jpg

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 02:42 AM

WetHog, on Jul 25 2009, 12:33 PM, said:

Squid, on Jul 24 2009, 10:26 PM, said:

New wave piercing...
http://ft10.com/images/lrnew%20bow.jpg

You are truely a wizard. One of the nicest photos of this boat I have seen yet.

WetHog :ph34r:

Now that is using its sailing waterline length.....very nice

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 02:43 AM

Squid, on Jul 24 2009, 10:39 PM, said:

Stingray, on Jul 24 2009, 07:35 PM, said:

Squid, on Jul 24 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

New wave piercing...

When the boat is going through the swells, with these bows or even the old, how stable does the boat stay in its fore and aft motion?

Most vids I see she just looks like an ice boat gliding along.

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 02:46 AM

HHN92, on Jul 24 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

When the boat is going through the swells, with these bows or even the old, how stable does the boat stay in its fore and aft motion?

Actually, I was telling Sting I was shocked today, definately some hobby-horse motion going on. Not slight - but real fore and aft rocking.
The old boat did not do that at all. They NEVER put the bows under water before. Today, they had at least 6 meters totally underwater and kept on going as if nothing was wrong.
http://ft10.com/images/bowdown2.jpg

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 02:52 AM

Squid, on Jul 24 2009, 07:46 PM, said:

HHN92, on Jul 24 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

When the boat is going through the swells, with these bows or even the old, how stable does the boat stay in its fore and aft motion?

That is a geezus-christ big mofo mast rig, maybe they are a little overpowered in those conditions?

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 03:02 AM

Squid, on Jul 24 2009, 09:46 PM, said:

HHN92, on Jul 24 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

When the boat is going through the swells, with these bows or even the old, how stable does the boat stay in its fore and aft motion?

So is the fore and aft rocking a problem? How about having 6 meters underwater? Looks like the weave piercing bows are doing what they are designed to do, but as far as the rocking I don't know if that is a big problem or not.Remember I am not a sailor so I am just asking questions.

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 03:02 AM

Stingray, on Jul 24 2009, 07:52 PM, said:

Squid, on Jul 24 2009, 07:46 PM, said:

HHN92, on Jul 24 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

When the boat is going through the swells, with these bows or even the old, how stable does the boat stay in its fore and aft motion?

That is a geezus-christ big mofo mast rig, maybe they are a little overpowered in those conditions?

No - not over powered. The rig is unbelievable for sure. But they weren't getting blown over. There are only two explanations: 1) there is actually an unusual large swell today. No wind chop - but large swell. In some photos, you can see it down the side of the boat. I think this swell is causing most of the 'diving' we saw today. If that is not it, then they fucked up on the new ama design. The boat dives pretty deep now. I've never seen that before. The strange thing is - they didn't seem at all concerned. they sure as hell did not slow down when the leaward hull went under. Just kept sailing. It is hard to tell if they have a design flaw or not.

I am pretty sure you will agree they definately are going under...
http://ft10.com/images/bowdown3.jpg

They did this often. It wasn't just once or twice.

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 03:03 AM

Squid, on Jul 24 2009, 10:02 PM, said:

Stingray, on Jul 24 2009, 07:52 PM, said:

Squid, on Jul 24 2009, 07:46 PM, said:

HHN92, on Jul 24 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

When the boat is going through the swells, with these bows or even the old, how stable does the boat stay in its fore and aft motion?

That is a geezus-christ big mofo mast rig, maybe they are a little overpowered in those conditions?

Holy cow!!

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 03:11 AM

Squid, on Jul 24 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

Stingray, on Jul 24 2009, 07:52 PM, said:

Squid, on Jul 24 2009, 07:46 PM, said:

HHN92, on Jul 24 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

When the boat is going through the swells, with these bows or even the old, how stable does the boat stay in its fore and aft motion?

That is a geezus-christ big mofo mast rig, maybe they are a little overpowered in those conditions?

THAT does not look very speed-enhancing... ;)

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 03:14 AM

http://ft10.com/images/sideshot.jpg

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 03:14 AM

Squid, on Jul 25 2009, 12:02 AM, said:

Stingray, on Jul 24 2009, 07:52 PM, said:

Squid, on Jul 24 2009, 07:46 PM, said:

HHN92, on Jul 24 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

When the boat is going through the swells, with these bows or even the old, how stable does the boat stay in its fore and aft motion?

That is a geezus-christ big mofo mast rig, maybe they are a little overpowered in those conditions?

I don't think they have a design flaw, the last bow had more volume and for sure would not go that deep. But the key here is where the match is going to be raced.
BOR has a base there and they can´t change weather conditions, so this kind of behaviour is not going to happen in flat waters, as you said, large swell there, so they are testing the flat weather condition amas with what they have now at home.
In a few days they'll know the final location, I think they already know which is and so testing amas designed for that place...

Edit: photo of previous post :- Best ever pic of DZ ! perfect trim

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 03:19 AM

Serious twist remains. Take a careful look at the windward ama (stern is just under the boom).
http://ft10.com/images/twist.jpg

In this shot, they've got at least 17 knots.

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 03:21 AM

Indio, on Jul 25 2009, 04:11 AM, said:

Squid, on Jul 24 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

Stingray, on Jul 24 2009, 07:52 PM, said:

Squid, on Jul 24 2009, 07:46 PM, said:

HHN92, on Jul 24 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

When the boat is going through the swells, with these bows or even the old, how stable does the boat stay in its fore and aft motion?

That is a geezus-christ big mofo mast rig, maybe they are a little overpowered in those conditions?

THAT does not look very speed-enhancing... ;)

I agree, it doesn't look speed enhancing. I think somethin went wrong somewhere.

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 03:24 AM

They only had 7 or 8 knots of wind and they easily flew the center hull all day.

http://ft10.com/images/centerup.jpg

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 03:26 AM

Squid, on Jul 24 2009, 11:24 PM, said:

They only had 7 or 8 knots of wind and they easily flew the center hull all day.

http://ft10.com/images/centerup.jpg

WOW, great shots Squid. Thank You!

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 03:27 AM

Indio, on Jul 24 2009, 08:11 PM, said:

Squid, on Jul 24 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

Stingray, on Jul 24 2009, 07:52 PM, said:

Squid, on Jul 24 2009, 07:46 PM, said:

HHN92, on Jul 24 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

When the boat is going through the swells, with these bows or even the old, how stable does the boat stay in its fore and aft motion?

That is a geezus-christ big mofo mast rig, maybe they are a little overpowered in those conditions?

THAT does not look very speed-enhancing... ;)

Can't be speed-enhancing with the extra water running over the top but it sure makes for some great photos, wow. Like Squid says, it's surprising that noone seemed unnerved about doing that at 3 times the wind speed. It would have scared me for sure!