[Andrew Cheung]

anyone ever used these?

[jersey_sailor]

Crewed on a 505 that had one. I didn't like it since it cleated almost too easily, but I imagine you could make it work.

[jwlbrace]

as can be seen from photos of my last two boats, I'm rather fond of Spinlock PXR's, they offer a precise control when applying tension. But I still wouldn't want one on a mainsheet jammer, would be too fiddly to something you're permanently playing...

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[Jesse Falsone]

my feeling is that PXR's are great for a control line that's either on or off (ie not being constantly trimmed). The tripping mechanism makes it ideal for spin halyards on small boats. I also use one for my trapeze twing system. I have seen them used for pole launchers also, but there's can be a lot of load on these. Great product but I wonder about longevity and anny issues associated with keeping them clean (salt).

I would not use for mainsheet personally because they have more friction when tripped.

[Pinner]

Salt eats these things up. If you are sailing in the ocean, forget about it. i tried one, lasted about a year

just get a harken h150, they are bulletproof and you can rebuild them 10 years later for about 5 dollars

[Andrew Cheung]

just what I wanted to know, thanks guys.

[socalsailor38]

what type of boat? I have experience using one on a 105, not terrible, but nothing that appealing about it either

[Onrust1368]

Pinner, on Oct 22 2009, 11:53 AM, said:

Salt eats these things up. If you are sailing in the ocean, forget about it. i tried one, lasted about a year

just get a harken h150, they are bulletproof and you can rebuild them 10 years later for about 5 dollars

these are good...

[a question of balance]

Jesse Falsone, on Oct 22 2009, 08:34 AM, said:

my feeling is that PXR's are great for a control line that's either on or off (ie not being constantly trimmed). The tripping mechanism makes it ideal for spin halyards on small boats. I also use one for my trapeze twing system. I have seen them used for pole launchers also, but there's can be a lot of load on these. Great product but I wonder about longevity and anny issues associated with keeping them clean (salt).

I would not use for mainsheet personally because they have more friction when tripped.

I put your auto trap twing system on my 5o (8995), but it seems like theres a lot of friction in the spin halyard now. im positive its not tangled in the mast, and it seems like a lot of it is coming from the upright pxr cleat. could the spring tension bee too tight on ours, or are you seeing the same thing?

[Andrew Cheung]

It's certainly curious because the only review of these things mentions their purpose as a dinghy mainsheet cleat, and yet nobody uses them for that...

[Wonky]

a question of balance, on Oct 22 2009, 07:42 PM, said:

Jesse Falsone, on Oct 22 2009, 08:34 AM, said:

my feeling is that PXR's are great for a control line that's either on or off (ie not being constantly trimmed). The tripping mechanism makes it ideal for spin halyards on small boats. I also use one for my trapeze twing system. I have seen them used for pole launchers also, but there's can be a lot of load on these. Great product but I wonder about longevity and anny issues associated with keeping them clean (salt).

I would not use for mainsheet personally because they have more friction when tripped.

I put your auto trap twing system on my 5o (8995), but it seems like theres a lot of friction in the spin halyard now. im positive its not tangled in the mast, and it seems like a lot of it is coming from the upright pxr cleat. could the spring tension bee too tight on ours, or are you seeing the same thing?

We have one on our 505 spin halyard, and have a lot of friction somewhere in the system. I hadn't really thought that it was the spinlock, but I'm going to put it on the list for checking out.

[a question of balance]

Wonky, on Oct 22 2009, 07:57 PM, said:

a question of balance, on Oct 22 2009, 07:42 PM, said:

Jesse Falsone, on Oct 22 2009, 08:34 AM, said:

my feeling is that PXR's are great for a control line that's either on or off (ie not being constantly trimmed). The tripping mechanism makes it ideal for spin halyards on small boats. I also use one for my trapeze twing system. I have seen them used for pole launchers also, but there's can be a lot of load on these. Great product but I wonder about longevity and anny issues associated with keeping them clean (salt).

I would not use for mainsheet personally because they have more friction when tripped.

I put your auto trap twing system on my 5o (8995), but it seems like theres a lot of friction in the spin halyard now. im positive its not tangled in the mast, and it seems like a lot of it is coming from the upright pxr cleat. could the spring tension bee too tight on ours, or are you seeing the same thing?

We have one on our 505 spin halyard, and have a lot of friction somewhere in the system. I hadn't really thought that it was the spinlock, but I'm going to put it on the list for checking out.

im pretty sure its the cleat, but found out the yellow slider on the top controls the spring tension. so ill have to try that out.

check that: moving the slider to the left tightens, moving it right loosens.

[Al.]

Mainsheet cleat? You big girl. Man up!

(yes, I'm a crew who doesn't do the main)

[Jesse Falsone]

a question of balance, on Oct 23 2009, 12:42 AM, said:

I put your auto trap twing system on my 5o (8995), but it seems like theres a lot of friction in the spin halyard now. im positive its not tangled in the mast, and it seems like a lot of it is coming from the upright pxr cleat. could the spring tension bee too tight on ours, or are you seeing the same thing?

My system seems to work pretty well with no additional friction in the spin halyard. I run my halyard down, through a BB sheave in the front of the mast (using a Seldon mast base with sheaves), through a 30mm block for the ram up (keeps the ram from falling when the kite is up, then aft to the PXR.

The biggest problem I had was getting the trap twings to fully tighten when dousing the kite. My latest incarnation uses a trap twing inside the mast that is 1:1 (i.e. no block inside the mast) with a split tail that runs through Ronstan thru-deck blocks on the mast for low friction (yeah, the hole is larger, but the moment there is low because it's right under the hounds). The twing exists the mast through the 6-sheave heel plug and runs aft. It connects to a 2:1 purchase now. In front of the trap twing PXR I replaced the bushing with a Ronstan RF2379 lead for reduced friction and a good down angle to trip the cleat closed. I also have an "emergency" 2:1 on this line that basically floats in the cockpit in case I need to pull it on tighter (no cleat - just the line running through a thru-deck on the cap).

I also moved the 1:2 reverse purchase for the trap twing from the watertight bulkhead to the underside of the deck for a stronger mount and a better lead.

I will probably need to send you pics.

It's a complicated system, but it works well. Some tweaking is necessary. i have my PXR spring tension set to the middle right now. Don't think it really matters though.

[Jesse Falsone]

this is a diagram of my latest system with the PXR cleats. It's complicated, but it works. I never need to touch the trap twing line (well, almost never). took a lot of tweaking.

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[russell_miller]

That is complicated. I too have experience with these cleats wearing out. Line diameter used with these is a pretty critical decision(as it is with most cleats I imagine).

[Jesse Falsone]

russell_miller, on Oct 23 2009, 04:55 PM, said:

That is complicated. I too have experience with these cleats wearing out. Line diameter used with these is a pretty critical decision(as it is with most cleats I imagine).

I use 4mm excel racing for the spin with no issues. trying 6mm mafioli for the trap twing (in cleat). I think that's overkill. I wanted something that wouldn't kink and would grip well in the cleat.

[contender_neil]

Andrew Cheung, on Oct 22 2009, 10:42 PM, said:

It's certainly curious because the only review of these things mentions their purpose as a dinghy mainsheet cleat, and yet nobody uses them for that...

I know guys who use them on the contenders and they like them.

Neil

[BalticBandit]

contender_neil, on Oct 23 2009, 05:10 PM, said:

Andrew Cheung, on Oct 22 2009, 10:42 PM, said:

It's certainly curious because the only review of these things mentions their purpose as a dinghy mainsheet cleat, and yet nobody uses them for that...

I know guys who use them on the contenders and they like them.

Neil

Swifts use them for Spin/Pole extension. Work well and don't seem to have salt problems

[ortegakid]

BalticBandit, on Oct 23 2009, 02:15 PM, said:

contender_neil, on Oct 23 2009, 05:10 PM, said:

Andrew Cheung, on Oct 22 2009, 10:42 PM, said:

It's certainly curious because the only review of these things mentions their purpose as a dinghy mainsheet cleat, and yet nobody uses them for that...

I know guys who use them on the contenders and they like them.

Neil

Swifts use them for Spin/Pole extension. Work well and don't seem to have salt problems

Am deff going to try one for my spin halyard new system, didn't like it for main sheet, scared me trying to release quickly when puffed, will stick with my carbo hexaratchet with cam cleat.

[a question of balance]

basically, dont use these cleats for any sheets or line that is adjusted often, go with a cam cleat.
the pxrs are good for lines that arent controlled too often, like a halyard.
on my 48'er i use 2 of them mounted opposite ways for the purchase on the pole car. all you have to do is pull the line between them, uncleating both, adjust the height of the car, then close both. better than other systems ive seen out there.

[wildtsail]

If anyone is interested.. I have 10 of the small sized PXR i'm selling at $20 including shipping within the 48.
PM me.

[BalticBandit]

a question of balance, on Oct 31 2009, 10:38 PM, said:

basically, dont use these cleats for any sheets or line that is adjusted often, go with a cam cleat.
the pxrs are good for lines that arent controlled too often, like a halyard.
on my 48'er i use 2 of them mounted opposite ways for the purchase on the pole car. all you have to do is pull the line between them, uncleating both, adjust the height of the car, then close both. better than other systems ive seen out there.

that's clever!