Cammas-Groupama in for VOR 2012, Juan K Designer Options

[minnetonkaHSsail...]

I don't believe under the VOR rules that old boats will be grandfathered in... so if E4 is going to get used again its gonna get a lighter keel.

What's more of a possibility is that the farr boats get used again, they already had the lightest keels.

[Bow Monkey]

I don't believe under the VOR rules that old boats will be grandfathered in... so if E4 is going to get used again its gonna get a lighter keel.

What's more of a possibility is that the farr boats get used again, they already had the lightest keels.

2nd Generation boats will definitely be grandfathered in, as long as the total keel/fin weight is under 7400 kilograms and the boats aren't overly modified. Where the huge advantage exists for E4 (or Groupama 1, if you'd prefer) is in the new minimum fin weight for the generation 3 boats. The Gen 2 boats will have about 140 to 160 more kilos of lead at the end of the keel. To avoid further hijacking, the new rules and their effects on Gen 2 boats was discussed in this thread. http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=97332

E4 has the potential to win the VOR again.

[SYDE]

I don't believe under the VOR rules that old boats will be grandfathered in... so if E4 is going to get used again its gonna get a lighter keel.

What's more of a possibility is that the farr boats get used again, they already had the lightest keels.

2nd Generation boats will definitely be grandfathered in, as long as the total keel/fin weight is under 7400 kilograms and the boats aren't overly modified. Where the huge advantage exists for E4 (or Groupama 1, if you'd prefer) is in the new minimum fin weight for the generation 3 boats. The Gen 2 boats will have about 140 to 160 more kilos of lead at the end of the keel. To avoid further hijacking, the new rules and their effects on Gen 2 boats was discussed in this thread. http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=97332

E4 has the potential to win the VOR again.

As does E3. Is it 160kg, that is even more than I thought.

minnetonka, of the last boats, the following were able to maximize keel weight - E3, E4, Puma, TeleBlue. So long as each has a fin of less than 1900 kg, that difference can carry forward IF THE BOATS ARE NOT MODIFIED. That last part is going to be a contentious fact.

[Essex]

With the rumour of Groupama buying E4, will they just rework her for this next edition (not that she is slow) and then develop further a new design for the next edition after that?

possible, but I would doubt it. Groupama has not been known to go any less than full blown on sailing campaigns.

Anybody see any chance of hiring a second skipper (God forbid... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ) and running a two boat campaign with E4 as the second boat with the second skipper? Seems like with the talent they have on the tri now it wouldn't be too hard.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the new rule prohibit 2 boat teams?

afaik, new rule forbids 2 new boat teams.

Looks like you can have a 2 boat team with one older boat and one new boat - so lots for JK to keep busy there, and a good bet all round if you get E4 as your old boat.

[Trovão]

With the rumour of Groupama buying E4, will they just rework her for this next edition (not that she is slow) and then develop further a new design for the next edition after that?

possible, but I would doubt it. Groupama has not been known to go any less than full blown on sailing campaigns.

Anybody see any chance of hiring a second skipper (God forbid... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ) and running a two boat campaign with E4 as the second boat with the second skipper? Seems like with the talent they have on the tri now it wouldn't be too hard.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the new rule prohibit 2 boat teams?

afaik, new rule forbids 2 new boat teams.

Looks like you can have a 2 boat team with one older boat and one new boat - so lots for JK to keep busy there, and a good bet all round if you get E4 as your old boat.

what i said.

[SYDE]

With the rumour of Groupama buying E4, will they just rework her for this next edition (not that she is slow) and then develop further a new design for the next edition after that?

possible, but I would doubt it. Groupama has not been known to go any less than full blown on sailing campaigns.

Anybody see any chance of hiring a second skipper (God forbid... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ) and running a two boat campaign with E4 as the second boat with the second skipper? Seems like with the talent they have on the tri now it wouldn't be too hard.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the new rule prohibit 2 boat teams?

afaik, new rule forbids 2 new boat teams.

Looks like you can have a 2 boat team with one older boat and one new boat - so lots for JK to keep busy there, and a good bet all round if you get E4 as your old boat.

what i said.

Missing the point. They cannot train against each other. They can register for the same races though. So, what VOR is looking for is either two independent race teams from one sponsor, or a first rate race team buys a boat, races, builds a boat at the same time, and moves onto the new boat, selling the old one, or chartering it to later competitors.

If it were not for the keel loophole, I would bet that Groumpama is interested in that second scenario. But > 120 kg bulb weight difference is hard to beat.

[Cyrille Hydrogen...]

I hope the rumours of another french team in the VOR are true, and that it's going to be led by Mich Desjoyeaux ! THAT would be seriously interesting...

[moody frog]

I hope the rumours of another french team in the VOR are true, and that it's going to be led by Mich Desjoyeaux ! THAT would be seriously interesting...

Mich Desj officially told to TV and press 4 days ago, that the VOR was too expensive for Foncia, they were only considering IMOCA and MOD 70, and he was still under contract.
Might be a 'bait" though, one never knows with the man.

[gbr5050]

I don't believe under the VOR rules that old boats will be grandfathered in... so if E4 is going to get used again its gonna get a lighter keel.

What's more of a possibility is that the farr boats get used again, they already had the lightest keels.

2nd Generation boats will definitely be grandfathered in, as long as the total keel/fin weight is under 7400 kilograms and the boats aren't overly modified. Where the huge advantage exists for E4 (or Groupama 1, if you'd prefer) is in the new minimum fin weight for the generation 3 boats. The Gen 2 boats will have about 140 to 160 more kilos of lead at the end of the keel. To avoid further hijacking, the new rules and their effects on Gen 2 boats was discussed in this thread. http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=97332

E4 has the potential to win the VOR again.

Boat for Boat, it was said openly within the last VOR that E3 had more potential than E4.
The Italians now have her and the plan is to race with her.