Oz Options

[KnockinShop]

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How far down the coast do the box jellyfish get in February?
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The bigger worry is the irukandji. About the size of your thumbnail, and the worst of the jellyfish.
We used to make swimmers wear stinger suits through till May, so I assume Feb will be middle of the season. In Airlie anyway.

[johnnysaint]

Guys there's almost no chance it's going to be anywhere other than Valencia so you are wasting your breath on Australia. And if it does come to OZ the LAST place it will be is the Whitsundays. Far too windy and ZERO suitable infrastructure. These boats need shit loads of hardstand and then there's the support team's requirements!!!

I know Bobby O would love to have it at his new yacht club at hammo but it just ain't gunna happen. Mackay is about the only place up there with enough waterside hardstand but it's still way to windy in February. You can't sail something that is fully powered up and flying a hull in 6-8 knots in 25 -30 knots!!! Bundy is the next place on the map where the wind would be suitable for these beasts.
You guys are putting way too much weight into what John Bertrand says.....with all due respect, what the fuck would he know? He has absolutely no association with either team apart from knowing a few blokes in each team. February... Valencia. That it!

While you are probably right, take a look at the pic. There is enough space for 4 bases with lift out room. Hammo definitely does not have room. Airlie does.

I don't need to look at the pic, I've visited Airlie three separate times just this year! You cant just kick everyone out to make room for this circus..... they need FREE space.

With that statement you DO NEED TO LOOK AT THE PIC!

[b393capt]

My guess to what happend in JSK's office Friday, that has the two sides talking.

1) She told both parties that the questions brought before her by BO over their options going forward to get out of their predicament won't be ruled on. Either work this out under mutual consent or GGYC should bring a contempt of court motion on SNG, which GGYC would win, but JSK predicts won't help them much as she won't grant redress that would make GGYC happy in any way other than to essential "start over" with a new challange date. Further more, unless a mutual consent decision is made, she won't be staying on this accelerated pace of hearings and things will slow to a crawl waiting instead for a RAK appeal and BOFD, so essentially it will be "good bye"

For GGYC that will mean no race in February, and potentially the race will end up in RAK anyhow just at a later date.

For SNG that could mean the BOFD will have additional ammunition and time to play out, placing restrictions on SNG's ability to set and manage rules, not to mention GGYC might succesfully ammend the BOFD to seek getting the trophy stripped from SNG and back to an earlier trustee.

And of course, the two catamaran's never race.

2) I imagine that DB has succesfully argued that BO's offer of a race in Oz at this date is hard to take to be anything other than a legal manuver. The news black out on the discussions is likely attributable to a requirement from DB for GGYC to take Oz seriously.

[RHough]

Home waters and having enough pride in Club and Country to make defending anywhere else unthinkable is the idea that I would hope any defender would have.

I'm condemning GGYC for not declaring that it is their intention to bring the Cup back to SF and to defend there. How can anyone condemn SNG for not defending in Cannes and at the same time support GGYC that has no intention other than to continue racing for the Cup in Europe for commercial reasons (profit).

Wrong, while I have no double that is part of it, and as sad as I am to have to say it, the problem is, unfortunately, that the SF bay area is just too fucking politically/environmentally dysfunctional in order to get a cup organized here in a timely fashion.

As I lived and sailed in the SF Bay area for 25 years, I agree. The above was meant to tweak all the people that are slagging SNG for shopping locations. The point being that as quaint as the idea of sailing "at home" is, it is not a practical solution today. The trustee's responsibility is to host a match in fair sailing conditions. If they are available and practical close to the defending club's "home water" fine, is they are not, the trustee has a duty to look for and find a suitable location for the match. IMO for February, RAK was a decent choice for sailing, probably better than Valencia in February.

I've sailed the Whitsundays too. The east coast of OZ could provide very good sailing in February.

It would be nice for SNG and GGYC to stop trying to beat each other down and to decide that selecting a location jointly is the proper course of action.

[johnnysaint]

So what's happening over there guys? Valencia or Oz? Someone's gotta know by now.

It's Tuesday morning here.

[BalticBandit]

So what's happening over there guys? Valencia or Oz? Someone's gotta know by now.

It's Tuesday morning here.

its just EOB east coast time Monday. And nothing happened as of yet, though there is evidence that both sides submitted briefs.

SNG had better negotiate really really hard here.

[Stingray]

I've sailed the Whitsundays too. The east coast of OZ could provide very good sailing in February.

Been following the accounts here by johnnysaint and kiwijoker, am pleased to see you reinforce the idea. That area looks really nice!

[on the breeze]

So what's happening over there guys? Valencia or Oz? Someone's gotta know by now.

It's Tuesday morning here.

its just EOB east coast time Monday. And nothing happened as of yet, though there is evidence that both sides submitted briefs.

SNG had better negotiate really really hard here.

When are we looking at a decision - and is the desision on the place or the vacinity ie is it just going to be "Australia or are they going to nominate the port / Harbour. (even though i believe it will be in Valencia)

[Stingray]

So what's happening over there guys? Valencia or Oz? Someone's gotta know by now.

It's Tuesday morning here.

its just EOB east coast time Monday. And nothing happened as of yet, though there is evidence that both sides submitted briefs.

SNG had better negotiate really really hard here.

When are we looking at a decision - and is the desision on the place or the vacinity ie is it just going to be "Australia or are they going to nominate the port / Harbour. (even though i believe it will be in Valencia)

It will be based on Valencia or a specific Oz port, GGYC already said so and it's hard to imagine any reason they will back away from a demand to know the choices with great specificity.

[Norberto]

My guess to what happend in JSK's office Friday, that has the two sides talking.

1) She told both parties that the questions brought before her by BO over their options going forward to get out of their predicament won't be ruled on. Either work this out under mutual consent or GGYC should bring a contempt of court motion on SNG, which GGYC would win, but JSK predicts won't help them much as she won't grant redress that would make GGYC happy in any way other than to essential "start over" with a new challange date. Further more, unless a mutual consent decision is made, she won't be staying on this accelerated pace of hearings and things will slow to a crawl waiting instead for a RAK appeal and BOFD, so essentially it will be "good bye"

For GGYC that will mean no race in February, and potentially the race will end up in RAK anyhow just at a later date.

For SNG that could mean the BOFD will have additional ammunition and time to play out, placing restrictions on SNG's ability to set and manage rules, not to mention GGYC might succesfully ammend the BOFD to seek getting the trophy stripped from SNG and back to an earlier trustee.

And of course, the two catamaran's never race.

2) I imagine that DB has succesfully argued that BO's offer of a race in Oz at this date is hard to take to be anything other than a legal manuver. The news black out on the discussions is likely attributable to a requirement from DB for GGYC to take Oz seriously.

This is an excellent summation, and very likely whats going on behind the walls. There will be some serious soul searching now, and both sides will have to evaluate their positions well.

Unfortunately Larry Ellisons history of stubbornness and unwillingness to come to an agreement may very well cost BOR the February match ...... just as his stubbornness will cost him the Oracle/Sun Micro merger as he continues to fight in European Court over that issue as well.

SimonH pointed out many moons ago that the way LE does business is not conducive to mutual agreement. LElacks the very basic and customary manners of the business world, for him its "My Way or Highway", and that doesn't always work.

That overblown ego may cost LE not only the SUN Micro merger, but also the next AC.

[Captain Morgan]

My guess to what happend in JSK's office Friday, that has the two sides talking.

1) She told both parties that the questions brought before her by BO over their options going forward to get out of their predicament won't be ruled on. Either work this out under mutual consent or GGYC should bring a contempt of court motion on SNG, which GGYC would win, but JSK predicts won't help them much as she won't grant redress that would make GGYC happy in any way other than to essential "start over" with a new challange date. Further more, unless a mutual consent decision is made, she won't be staying on this accelerated pace of hearings and things will slow to a crawl waiting instead for a RAK appeal and BOFD, so essentially it will be "good bye"

For GGYC that will mean no race in February, and potentially the race will end up in RAK anyhow just at a later date.

For SNG that could mean the BOFD will have additional ammunition and time to play out, placing restrictions on SNG's ability to set and manage rules, not to mention GGYC might succesfully ammend the BOFD to seek getting the trophy stripped from SNG and back to an earlier trustee.

And of course, the two catamaran's never race.

2) I imagine that DB has succesfully argued that BO's offer of a race in Oz at this date is hard to take to be anything other than a legal manuver. The news black out on the discussions is likely attributable to a requirement from DB for GGYC to take Oz seriously.

This is an excellent summation, and very likely whats going on behind the walls. There will be some serious soul searching now, and both sides will have to evaluate their positions well.

Unfortunately Larry Ellisons history of stubbornness and unwillingness to come to an agreement may very well cost BOR the February match ...... just as his stubbornness will cost him the Oracle/Sun Micro merger as he continues to fight in European Court over that issue as well.

SimonH pointed out many moons ago that the way LE does business is not conducive to mutual agreement. LElacks the very basic and customary manners of the business world, for him its "My Way or Highway", and that doesn't always work.

That overblown ego may cost LE not only the SUN Micro merger, but also the next AC.

Or he could just wait for SUN to go bankrupt and pick it up at a bargain. And given Larry's position on the world wealth chart, "his way or the highway" seems to work for him.

[xfire]

Or he could just wait for SUN to go bankrupt and pick it up at a bargain. And given Larry's position on the world wealth chart, "his way or the highway" seems to work for him.

That is about where he is in the SUN acquisition , but the courts are fussing about monopoly.

[sledracr]

Or he could just wait for SUN to finish going bankrupt and pick it up at a bargain.

Fixed it

[Gibbo_aus]

So what's happening over there guys? Valencia or Oz? Someone's gotta know by now.

It's Tuesday morning here.

4:15pm now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Nothing coming through on any of the usual sources.

Must be High stakes time!

[team_Sophie]

Or he could just wait for SUN to finish going bankrupt and pick it up at a bargain.

Fixed it

Sun reporting only $125 Mil loss, not long left to wait. The EU will roll to this merger. LE will have his way with it.

Lots of opinions being bandied around while everyone watches for the news to break that will give direction to the next big step forward. But how can we get to a point where RAK would become deed compliant? Dont earlier rulings mean that the event must be sailed Feb 2010, I didn't realise that was still available for debate.

[Stingray]

Turns out KiwiJoker and JohnnySaint were right!


Alinghi confirms 33rd America's Cup for Valencia in February 2010
excerpt:

When SNG's first choice of venue, Ras Al Khaimah, UAE, was declared invalid by the New York Supreme Court, the Swiss Defender proposed two alternative Southern Hemisphere venues: Proserpine/Airlie Beach and Townsville in Australia, where the weather conditions are suitable in February.

Good eyes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[johnnysaint]

Bugger!!

Nearly

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