[Happy Jack]

If the following pans out the GW community is in serious trouble.

Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic Global Warming'?

If you own any shares in alternative energy companies I should start dumping them NOW. The conspiracy behind the Anthropogenic Global Warming myth (aka AGW; aka ManBearPig) has been suddenly, brutally and quite deliciously exposed after a hacker broke into the computers at the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (aka Hadley CRU) and released 61 megabites of confidential files onto the internet. (Hat tip: Watts Up With That) When you read some of those files – including 1079 emails and 72 documents – you realise just why the boffins at Hadley CRU might have preferred to keep them confidential. As Andrew Bolt puts it, this scandal could well be "the greatest in modern science". These alleged emails – supposedly exchanged by some of the most prominent scientists pushing AGW theory – suggest:

Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information,
organised resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and
much more.

http://blogs.telegra...global-warming/

[Rodrigging]

"Climategate? Is this for real?"

No

[mr_fabulous]

Rodrigging, on Nov 20 2009, 09:52 PM, said:

"Climategate? Is this for real?"

No

He'll saturate the posts with this drivel. He's clearly a coal, oil and Sheik sympathizer. He feels thats money well spent.

He's citing blogger James Dellingpole in his post... Here's the bloggers description of himself:

"James Delingpole is a libertarian conservative who writes brilliant books and brilliant articles, and is really great on TV, radio and the internet too. You'll love him. You'll want to read his stuff, buy his book and music recommendations; follow him on Twitter, generally be his best friend just so long as you share at least a few of his obsessions.

His likes include:
World War II; DJ Shadow's Endtroducing; Foxhunting; war generally; great white sharks; bridge; long walks in the English, Welsh or Scottish countryside; recreational drugs; New York; good coffee made with Ethiopian harar beans; clothes by Margaret Howell; Margaret Thatcher; Ronald Reagan; English tradition; the American Way; South Park; films about evil vampires; Radiohead; Being John Malkovich. English breakfast tea made with leaves and boiling water.

His dislikes include:
The European Socialist Superstate; Gordon Brown; taxes; big government; the "global warming" myth; bad food; weak coffee; the Nanny State; etc."

Nice. (For me to Poop on!)

[Chuck D.]

Oh yay, something shiny to jump up and down about. Let us know if you find anything of any real merit. As if you needed any encouragement.

Meanwhile, back in the real world ...

[Happy Jack]

http://briefingroom....ta-is-real.html


HadleyCRU says leaked data is real

The director of Britain's leading Climate Research Unit, Phil Jones, has told Investigate magazine's TGIF Edition tonight that his organization has been hacked, and the data flying all over the internet appears to be genuine.

In an exclusive interview, Jones told TGIF, "It was a hacker. We were aware of this about three or four days ago that someone had hacked into our system and taken and copied loads of data files and emails."

"Have you alerted police"

"Not yet. We were not aware of what had been taken."

Jones says he was first tipped off to the security breach by colleagues at the website RealClimate.

"Real Climate were given information, but took it down off their site and told me they would send it across to me. They didn't do that. I only found out it had been released five minutes ago."

TGIF asked Jones about the controversial email discussing "hiding the decline", and Jones explained what he was trying to say….

More on this breaking story in TGIF Edition tonight…

UPDATE: to save any further emails from the eager as our deadline looms…TGIF will be out in about two hours…midnight NZDT

UPDATE: Just burning PDF and Flash documents, moments away

UPDATE FINAL: The link is now live at the TGIF Edition link above, underneath the Breaking News heading

[Happy Jack]

And the walls came crashing down....


http://www.investiga...latestissue.pdf

[mr_fabulous]

Happy Jack, on Nov 20 2009, 11:11 PM, said:

And the walls came crashing down....


http://www.investiga...latestissue.pdf

Apparantly on your head, thereby leaving you permanantly brain damaged.

Did you even read the article you posted? I'm sure that your wing-nut buddies will find a nice conspiracy and apply those tried abd true Rovian tactics to then take all things out of context very nicely now.

Enjoy. It won't change anything.

[Happy Jack]

mr_fabulous, on Nov 20 2009, 05:17 PM, said:

Happy Jack, on Nov 20 2009, 11:11 PM, said:

And the walls came crashing down....


http://www.investiga...latestissue.pdf

Apparantly on your head, thereby leaving you permanantly brain damaged.

Did you even read the article you posted? I'm sure that your wing-nut buddies will find a nice conspiracy and apply those tried abd true Rovian tactics to then take all things out of context very nicely now.

Enjoy. It won't change anything.

Conspiracy to delete emails. A crime in the UK as it is here. Hadley CRU is a crown institution.

Conspiracy to exclude dissenting articles from journals, not on lack of Merritt but because they are contrary.

Celebrating the death of scientific opponents.

Cooking data to fit a curve

conspiracy to bury exculpatory data?

This is scientific misconduct or the highest order and the proof is in their own words.

Sure the rest of the community will spin it, throw a few scapegoats under to Obowma Bus, etc etc... But the damage is done and it extends outside the HadleyCRU in emails to and from other institutions and the IPCC.

The IPCC used Hadley CRU as their gold standard.


Global warming is in a world of hurt. This isn't just embarrassing it is damning.

[Happy Jack]

If that wasn't bad enough now Global Warming is ....


The effects of climate change have driven women in communities in coastal areas in poor countries like the Philippines into dangerous work, and sometimes even the flesh trade, a United Nations official said.

Suneeta Mukherjee, country representative of the United Nations Food Population Fund (UNFPA), said women in the Philippines are the most vulnerable to the effects of climate change in the country.

“Climate change could reduce income from farming and fishing, possibly driving some women into sex work and thereby increase HIV infection," Mukherjee said during the Wednesday launch of the UNFPA annual State of World Population Report in Pasay City.

In the Philippines, small brothels usually pop up near the coastal areas where many women perform sexual services for transient seafarers. Often, these prostitutes are ferried to bigger ships by their pimps.

[Dawg]

Is this a right wing or left wing conspiracy??










Either way the Human Race is doomed DOOMED I TELL YOU...........

[nannygovtsucks]

Happy Jack, on Nov 20 2009, 11:25 PM, said:

mr_fabulous, on Nov 20 2009, 05:17 PM, said:

Happy Jack, on Nov 20 2009, 11:11 PM, said:

And the walls came crashing down....


http://www.investiga...latestissue.pdf

Apparantly on your head, thereby leaving you permanantly brain damaged.

Did you even read the article you posted? I'm sure that your wing-nut buddies will find a nice conspiracy and apply those tried abd true Rovian tactics to then take all things out of context very nicely now.

Enjoy. It won't change anything.

Conspiracy to delete emails. A crime in the UK as it is here. Hadley CRU is a crown institution.

Conspiracy to exclude dissenting articles from journals, not on lack of Merritt but because they are contrary.

Celebrating the death of scientific opponents.

Cooking data to fit a curve

conspiracy to bury exculpatory data?

This is scientific misconduct or the highest order and the proof is in their own words.

Sure the rest of the community will spin it, throw a few scapegoats under to Obowma Bus, etc etc... But the damage is done and it extends outside the HadleyCRU in emails to and from other institutions and the IPCC.

The IPCC used Hadley CRU as their gold standard.


Global warming is in a world of hurt. This isn't just embarrassing it is damning.

It is very sad to see science hijacked by politics in this way. Historians will regard the whole global warming scandal as one of the most bizarre episodes in the history of science. It would just be amusing if it weren't for the threat these rabid environmentalists pose. They are not harmless. The kind of solutions being proposed by these wackos pose a serious threat to the health and welfare of everyone, not the least of these are poor people in underdeveloped countries who so need cheap and reliable energy resources to lift their standards of living and bring their economies into the modern world.

[mr_fabulous]

Dawg, on Nov 20 2009, 11:53 PM, said:

Is this a right wing or left wing conspiracy??

Sock puppet conspiracy. How many will show up to shore up their trolling posts?

[nannygovtsucks]

Happy Jack, on Nov 20 2009, 11:41 PM, said:

If that wasn't bad enough now Global Warming is ....


The effects of climate change have driven women in communities in coastal areas in poor countries like the Philippines into dangerous work, and sometimes even the flesh trade, a United Nations official said.

Suneeta Mukherjee, country representative of the United Nations Food Population Fund (UNFPA), said women in the Philippines are the most vulnerable to the effects of climate change in the country.

“Climate change could reduce income from farming and fishing, possibly driving some women into sex work and thereby increase HIV infection," Mukherjee said during the Wednesday launch of the UNFPA annual State of World Population Report in Pasay City.

In the Philippines, small brothels usually pop up near the coastal areas where many women perform sexual services for transient seafarers. Often, these prostitutes are ferried to bigger ships by their pimps.

Here's my favorite new one from the Al Gore crowd:

"Global warming threatens to rob Italy of pasta". http://www.timesonli...icle6917217.ece

The alarmists with their climate models can't tell us what the weather will be next week,
but they can tell us we'll have to make due without our spaghetti. Oh my!

[FlickMeIveEarnedIt]

Hey Jack, what's the last name? "Off"?

[nannygovtsucks]

Wow. I've just started reading some of the hacked emails from Hadley, Phil Jones etc. If this real, it is going to blow the lid off the climate science show and end a lot of careers in a very big hurry. This is very big news.

The servers at Climateaudit and Wattsupwiththat are at their limits. Many of us who have been following the science for years are dumbstruck at the corruption, fraud and deceit revealed in these documents. This is going to wake up a lot of other scientists who have been on the sidelines also. I can only imagine the looks on the faces of the editors at Geo Res Letters, Science and Nature today.
This is unfucking believable.

Those of you who are interested can read here for starters: http://www.examiner....docs-and-emails

[Regatta Dog]

mr_fabulous, on Nov 20 2009, 05:17 PM, said:

Happy Jack, on Nov 20 2009, 11:11 PM, said:

And the walls came crashing down....


http://www.investiga...latestissue.pdf

Apparantly on your head, thereby leaving you permanantly brain damaged.

Did you even read the article you posted? I'm sure that your wing-nut buddies will find a nice conspiracy and apply those tried abd true Rovian tactics to then take all things out of context very nicely now.

Enjoy. It won't change anything.

I think that's the real point here. Politicians on both sides exaggerate and take things out of context, and that's to be expected.

When scientists take things out of context, manipulate data, or play political games, that's very uncool.

If it turns out that these documents reveal that at such a high level there are a bunch of activists in lab coats, that could be a huge blow to the GW cause.

[Chuck D.]

Happy Jack, on Nov 20 2009, 06:25 PM, said:

Conspiracy to delete emails. A crime in the UK as it is here. Hadley CRU is a crown institution.

Conspiracy to exclude dissenting articles from journals, not on lack of Merritt but because they are contrary.

Celebrating the death of scientific opponents.

Cooking data to fit a curve

conspiracy to bury exculpatory data?

This is scientific misconduct or the highest order and the proof is in their own words.

Sure the rest of the community will spin it, throw a few scapegoats under to Obowma Bus, etc etc... But the damage is done and it extends outside the HadleyCRU in emails to and from other institutions and the IPCC.

The IPCC used Hadley CRU as their gold standard.


Global warming is in a world of hurt. This isn't just embarrassing it is damning.

What a steaming pile. Might as well claim conspiracy to barbecue baby bunnies. Keep reading the right-wing bogo-sphere and keep getting spun up. Its fun to watch the witch hunters chase after a shadow. Unless and until you can discuss specifics in a candid context, you're just blowing smoke and trying to create destruction. Very noble of you, punchline.

[Regatta Dog]

Chuck D., on Nov 21 2009, 09:03 AM, said:

Happy Jack, on Nov 20 2009, 06:25 PM, said:

Conspiracy to delete emails. A crime in the UK as it is here. Hadley CRU is a crown institution.

Conspiracy to exclude dissenting articles from journals, not on lack of Merritt but because they are contrary.

Celebrating the death of scientific opponents.

Cooking data to fit a curve

conspiracy to bury exculpatory data?

This is scientific misconduct or the highest order and the proof is in their own words.

Sure the rest of the community will spin it, throw a few scapegoats under to Obowma Bus, etc etc... But the damage is done and it extends outside the HadleyCRU in emails to and from other institutions and the IPCC.

The IPCC used Hadley CRU as their gold standard.


Global warming is in a world of hurt. This isn't just embarrassing it is damning.

What a steaming pile. Might as well claim conspiracy to barbecue baby bunnies. Keep reading the right-wing bogo-sphere and keep getting spun up. Its fun to watch the witch hunters chase after a shadow. Unless and until you can discuss specifics in a candid context, you're just blowing smoke and trying to create destruction. Very noble of you, punchline.

It'll be interesting to see at what level the GW folks have been blowing smoke, and whether those that didn't toe the line were subjected to witch hunts.

[Chuck D.]

Regatta Dog, on Nov 21 2009, 09:28 AM, said:

It'll be interesting to see at what level the GW folks have been blowing smoke, and whether those that didn't toe the line were subjected to witch hunts.

Sure, agreed. I doubt anything of real veracity or import is likely to emerge, but, as Malarkey has already demonstrated, lots of bullshit claims can be made with the sole intent of broad-brushed defaming. Disgusting, but unsurprising, given the track record of those who would deny the plainly obvious. I got my copy of the hacked files, FOI2009.zip (avail at e.g., http://www.filedropper.com/foi2009) and intend to have a look.

[nannygovtsucks]

Happy Jack, on Nov 20 2009, 11:25 PM, said:

mr_fabulous, on Nov 20 2009, 05:17 PM, said:

Happy Jack, on Nov 20 2009, 11:11 PM, said:

And the walls came crashing down....


http://www.investiga...latestissue.pdf

Apparantly on your head, thereby leaving you permanantly brain damaged.

Did you even read the article you posted? I'm sure that your wing-nut buddies will find a nice conspiracy and apply those tried abd true Rovian tactics to then take all things out of context very nicely now.

Enjoy. It won't change anything.

Conspiracy to delete emails. A crime in the UK as it is here. Hadley CRU is a crown institution.

Conspiracy to exclude dissenting articles from journals, not on lack of Merritt but because they are contrary.

Celebrating the death of scientific opponents.

Cooking data to fit a curve

conspiracy to bury exculpatory data?

This is scientific misconduct or the highest order and the proof is in their own words.

Sure the rest of the community will spin it, throw a few scapegoats under to Obowma Bus, etc etc... But the damage is done and it extends outside the HadleyCRU in emails to and from other institutions and the IPCC.

The IPCC used Hadley CRU as their gold standard.


Global warming is in a world of hurt. This isn't just embarrassing it is damning.

This is not only going to end careers of some of the some of most vocal and vociferous warmists in the "climate science" communitiy, it may put a few of them in jail. Misappropriation of public funds and refusal of FOI requests to start with. Mann, Schmidt, Jones and the rest have some 'splainin' to do.

I couldn't help but notice how very silent Steve McIntyre is right now. The second group of hacked files appears to contain a lot of the data that Jones and the others have refused to release over the last few years. My guess is that we're going to find out why in short order. One of the biggest issues has been how the raw Hadley surface dataset has been manipulated (for example to account for time of observation bias, UHI effects, station moves etc), which Jones refused to release. What a goldmine if this is part of the treasure trove.

It appears now that the "hacker" may have been an insider at CRU who could no longer abide the fraud committed by this bunch. It's going to be very fun to watch this story unfold over the next few weeks. And in advance of Copenhagen and ongoing debate about Cap n Trade, the timing couldn't be better.

[Chuck D.]

nannygovtsucks, on Nov 21 2009, 09:43 AM, said:

This is not only going to end careers of some of the some of most vocal and vociferous warmists in the "climate science" communitiy, it may put a few of them in jail. Misappropriation of public funds and refusal of FOI requests to start with. Mann, Schmidt, Jones and the rest have some 'splainin' to do.

I couldn't help but notice how very silent Steve McIntyre is right now. The second group of hacked files appears to contain a lot of the data that Jones and the others have refused to release over the last few years. My guess is that we're going to find out why in short order. One of the biggest issues has been how the raw Hadley surface dataset has been manipulated (for example to account for time of observation bias, UHI effects, station moves etc), which Jones refused to release. What a goldmine if this is part of the treasure trove.

It appears now that the "hacker" may have been an insider at CRU who could no longer abide the fraud committed by this bunch. It's going to be very fun to watch this story unfold over the next few weeks. And in advance of Copenhagen and ongoing debate about Cap n Trade, the timing couldn't be better.

Yeah, yeah, sure sure. Show us some specifics or continue on with your creative writing.

[asshat 2]

Chuck D., on Nov 21 2009, 03:50 PM, said:

nannygovtsucks, on Nov 21 2009, 09:43 AM, said:

This is not only going to end careers of some of the some of most vocal and vociferous warmists in the "climate science" communitiy, it may put a few of them in jail. Misappropriation of public funds and refusal of FOI requests to start with. Mann, Schmidt, Jones and the rest have some 'splainin' to do.

I couldn't help but notice how very silent Steve McIntyre is right now. The second group of hacked files appears to contain a lot of the data that Jones and the others have refused to release over the last few years. My guess is that we're going to find out why in short order. One of the biggest issues has been how the raw Hadley surface dataset has been manipulated (for example to account for time of observation bias, UHI effects, station moves etc), which Jones refused to release. What a goldmine if this is part of the treasure trove.

It appears now that the "hacker" may have been an insider at CRU who could no longer abide the fraud committed by this bunch. It's going to be very fun to watch this story unfold over the next few weeks. And in advance of Copenhagen and ongoing debate about Cap n Trade, the timing couldn't be better.

Yeah, yeah, sure sure. Show us some specifics or continue on with your creative writing.

Your the Doug Lord of PA.

[Chuck D.]

asshat 2, on Nov 21 2009, 09:54 AM, said:

Your the Doug Lord of PA.

My what?

Quote

Having read a few pages of the emails a couple of thoughts occur (1) the files are nothing like any archives of mine or any scientists I know – no personal emails, no spam, no internal bureaucracy emails, etc. So, clearly there has been careful selection of emails for inclusion/exclusion and it is likely to be a biased sample. (2) Given this selectivity it really is very hard to find anything to get excited about. Certainly a few embarrassments and a few amusing comments, but if this was the worst that could be found from a mighty trawl through email archives then the scientists involved really come out rather well.

[nannygovtsucks]

Chuck D., on Nov 21 2009, 02:34 PM, said:

Regatta Dog, on Nov 21 2009, 09:28 AM, said:

It'll be interesting to see at what level the GW folks have been blowing smoke, and whether those that didn't toe the line were subjected to witch hunts.

Sure, agreed. I doubt anything of real veracity or import is likely to emerge, but, as Malarkey has already demonstrated, lots of bullshit claims can be made with the sole intent of broad-brushed defaming. Disgusting, but unsurprising, given the track record of those who would deny the plainly obvious. I got my copy of the hacked files, FOI2009.zip (avail at e.g., http://www.filedropper.com/foi2009) and intend to have a look.

If you will recall, I prefaced my comments with "if this is real". I don't know if the emails are legitimate or not, but so far it looks like they are. First it's pretty difficult to type 156 MB of stuff that looks so legitimate. Second, CRU admits to having been hacked, and we now have people like Steve McIntyre that all e-mails in the hacked file that were sent from/to him are 100% genuine. Also the British Police are looking to identify the hacker.

[Chuck D.]

nannygovtsucks, on Nov 21 2009, 10:53 AM, said:

If you will recall, I prefaced my comments with "if this is real". I don't know if the emails are legitimate or not, but so far it looks like they are. First it's pretty difficult to type 156 MB of stuff that looks so legitimate. Second, CRU admits to having been hacked, and we now have people like Steve McIntyre that all e-mails in the hacked file that were sent from/to him are 100% genuine. Also the British Police are looking to identify the hacker.

Yeah, yeah. "If this is real" and 'Some people are saying', whatever. You want it to be real, but aside from the noise-machines allegations, don't have anything of substance to point to. I've read a couple hundred of the emails at this point and have found nothing even hinting towards the wild allegations that You/Malarkey made earlier with his 'Conspiracy to ...' laundry list and your claim of 'corruption, fraud and deceit revealed in these documents'. About the only stuff of interest I've seen is understandable impatience with the continued shenanigans of the usual clowns: Lindzen, Christy, et al, and real communications seeking to subject johnny-come-lately deniers to the rigors of peer-review. Those tactics are completely understandable and justifiable, IMHO.