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Joli

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In Topic: A really bad day...

26 August 2014 - 10:18 PM

http://detroit.cbslo...-lake-st-clair/

In Topic: Falcon, Tripp/Goetz 50 on Craigslist

02 July 2014 - 01:58 AM

Kind of like a .7?

The difference is in one's definition of "racing".
If, by "racing", one means crossing the starting line with a bunch of other boats, following each other around a closed course, fifiguring out who you "beat" on the PHRF scale and laughing about it over beers... yeah, a refurb boat with second-hand sails is perfect.
But if, by "racing", one actually means heads-up competition against well-prepared and well-sailed boats with a realistic expectation of winning.... yeah, that takes money and time and work, in order to make the boat (and keep the boat) as competitive as possible. Because the bar keeps getting raised, and if the goal is "winning", you can't leave advantages at the dock.
$.02

 
This is an important distinction to be sure, and probably part of the disconnect, but it's not the whole story. As Matt pointed out, it's also a safety issue. This boat has been sunk. If it's not properly restored it's a massive safety liability. Rotten running rigging, worn out sails, and questionable laminate are very serious issues on a boat this size. If something breaks people can be severely injured and/or killed.
 
And I didn't see anyone legitimate saying someone's a wanker for not spending way more money than is needed to safely race this boat. I did however see someone suggest getting a bunch of friends together drunk to sail it, which basically supports my assertion a lot of folks have no business with this kind of craft.

The difference is in one's definition of "racing".
If, by "racing", one means crossing the starting line with a bunch of other boats, following each other around a closed course, fifiguring out who you "beat" on the PHRF scale and laughing about it over beers... yeah, a refurb boat with second-hand sails is perfect.
But if, by "racing", one actually means heads-up competition against well-prepared and well-sailed boats with a realistic expectation of winning.... yeah, that takes money and time and work, in order to make the boat (and keep the boat) as competitive as possible. Because the bar keeps getting raised, and if the goal is "winning", you can't leave advantages at the dock.
$.02

 
This is an important distinction to be sure, and probably part of the disconnect, but it's not the whole story. As Matt pointed out, it's also a safety issue. This boat has been sunk. If it's not properly restored it's a massive safety liability. Rotten running rigging, worn out sails, and questionable laminate are very serious issues on a boat this size. If something breaks people can be severely injured and/or killed.
 
And I didn't see anyone legitimate saying someone's a wanker for not spending way more money than is needed to safely race this boat. I did however see someone suggest getting a bunch of friends together drunk to sail it, which basically supports my assertion a lot of folks have no business with this kind of craft.

In Topic: Falcon, Tripp/Goetz 50 on Craigslist

02 July 2014 - 01:56 AM

Maybe the guy that is actually sailing the boat feels it's OK for the type of sailing he's doing with it?

In Topic: Falcon, Tripp/Goetz 50 on Craigslist

01 July 2014 - 10:28 PM

Read through the thread Will, lotta negative comments about anything that isn't new. I read the same comments on ocean racing anarchy about a B40 winning.


Joli,
 
No one is casting dispersions on budget racers or cruisers.  The whole point of this thread is the claims of those that this particular boat could be brought back to some type of safe and competitive state on a shoe string budget.  I have seen this boat up close.  There was rust pouring out of the keel to bulb joint and stress cracks all over the keel hull joint.  The boat partially sunk at the dock and filled up with rain water on the hard.  I see no mention from the owner that any of these things were sorted out.  The boat was purchased from the yard for ~$35K and is up for sale now for $65K.  The only thing mentioned that was replaced was the sail drive unit, not the engine (which was underwater twice). 
You know as well as anyone on this board what it costs to operate a boat of that size.  The claims don't add up to the state the boat was in.
 
Will Museler

Racing is an arms race, someone will buy the best sails, bottom, talent, electronics.... The result, check book sailors win and eventually others walk away, it seems to happen in every class from one design through big boat.  The net/net........racing is dying, folks are walking (running) away from the sport.  Who wants to mortgage the farm to win (buy) a $25 flag?  Who wants to watch an investment (ie race boat) crater to 50% of it's value in two years? Who wants to suffer the ridicule of (God forbid) buying a used shitbox or used sail? 
 
So this guy (Freddy?) buys an older boat, runs it on a budget, has a bit of fun and is called wanker.  Really?   Why?   Are folks jealous that someone had a good time without buying the latest/greatest?  Went sailing?  Drank some rum?  Maybe enjoyed the company of a cute chick? 
I've met the guys that are belittling this effort in more then one post race party tent and I'll tell you what I would rather sit on some old war horse with a budget conscious owner any day.  What a bunch of fucking posers you guys are for shitting on this guys fun.


In Topic: Falcon, Tripp/Goetz 50 on Craigslist

01 July 2014 - 07:06 PM

Racing is an arms race, someone will buy the best sails, bottom, talent, electronics.... The result, check book sailors win and eventually others walk away, it seems to happen in every class from one design through big boat.  The net/net........racing is dying, folks are walking (running) away from the sport.  Who wants to mortgage the farm to win (buy) a $25 flag?  Who wants to watch an investment (ie race boat) crater to 50% of it's value in two years? Who wants to suffer the ridicule of (God forbid) buying a used shitbox or used sail? 

 

So this guy (Freddy?) buys an older boat, runs it on a budget, has a bit of fun and is called wanker.  Really?   Why?   Are folks jealous that someone had a good time without buying the latest/greatest?  Went sailing?  Drank some rum?  Maybe enjoyed the company of a cute chick? 

I've met the guys that are belittling this effort in more then one post race party tent and I'll tell you what I would rather sit on some old war horse with a budget conscious owner any day.  What a bunch of fucking posers you guys are for shitting on this guys fun.