Jump to content


Member Since 23 May 2007
Offline Last Active Yesterday, 12:11 PM

Posts I've Made

In Topic: ....got stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

06 September 2016 - 01:03 PM

Not all true Team.
1. Older SH Mach2s are available in at least UK, GBR and US at less money than a new Waszp. Bladeriders, Prowlers, Ninjas and others are a lot cheaper.

It would be good if you read what I posted. I know that in the UK (which is the same as GBR :P ), USA and Aus boats are available, but I don't think those countries can be considered as "many" places. For the majority of the sailing world, there are no Moths for sale in their country.
I also checked before posting and i couldn't find any Mach 2's for sale in the UK cheaper than a new Waszp. While I know how robust the Mach 2 is, do you really think a 5-6 year old boat is as good as a new boat? I the USA, there is a 7 year old boat offered for more than a new waszp. I think you are also being rather misleading when you suggest boats like the Bladerider as an alternative. Old foilers are a total pain for all but the most dedicated. I thought the way to start in teh class was to buy an old Bladerider and I bought the best I could get. It was a big mistake and after 2 months, somebody lent me his Mach 2. Almost immediately, i knew I had made a mistake and I bought my first Mach 2 that week.
While I would also agree that a "standard" Mach 2 is not really any more complex than a waszp (kicker excluded), how many are available with such a low spec? Almost every boat you can buy s/h is more complex than that, so your comment is irrelevent.
As I tried to say, for many in the sailing world, the Waszp is a far better option than a Mach 2 or moth. If there is Moth sailing in your country, then you would probably go for the Moth. If you are in the UK or Oz, I think you should probably go for a Moth. If you are in the USA and reasonably near where there are moths sailing, go for the moth. For everybody else, I think the Waszp is a viable option that needs to be considered.
Team_GBR, as the waszp and the Mach2 are made and sold by the same company, I can see zero difference in support coming from the company as you still get that support when getting a second hand boat shipped from its previous owner.

As I see it, the big difference is that you can actually fix your moth yourself, with the waszp you don't have that option as it will no longer meet the one design rules, which insist that even the stickers need to be replaced if removed.

So, don't take your sail to a sailmaker to get repaired when you rip it, gotta buy a new one. Ripped your wing tramps? New ones. Broken or bent foil, new one. Hope you are prepared to buy spares or you will have to wait for parts to be shipped internationally. If you get a moth, you can do that too, or you can pop your boat to a local boatbuilder for repairs.

Phil's complexity comment is not irrelevant, you can always take the new, more complex bits off and return it to factory spec, so it is relevant.

In Topic: Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

25 August 2016 - 08:45 PM

Looks way easier to sail than a Waszp. Removes the whole lack of static stability problem.

In Topic: ....got stung by the 'WASZP'?..OD foiler...

10 July 2016 - 08:43 PM

I love the subtlety of the branding.