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TomTraubert

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In Topic: money wins!

Yesterday, 03:11 AM

 

Just a guess, but I'll bet Kilroy didn't return Scot's phone call. Or he didn't wave back to Scot. Typical pattern. Anyone who doesn't love Scot gets thrashed. This is more about Scot than anything else.

Agreed, so tired of BOTH of their close mindedness bullshit. I did however listen to Clean's pathetic attempt at modernizing sailing media in his "podcast", but after 5 minutes I HAD to shut him off. 

 

SA is more or less a blog, nothing special. Any asshole could start & manage this, but the point I'm trying to make is aren't blogs suppose to promote free speech? Clean's self-righteousness & close mindedness contradicts the premise on which this website was "suppose" to be developed.

 

 

I don't agree with either of them often but it is not accurate to say they don't allow or promote free speech.  

 

We all have license to call BS on pretty much anything either of them says.  They may come back to defend themselves and often they and others descend pretty low in mode and method of argument but so do their detractors.  

 

The fact is that it is pretty hard to cross a line here to get flicked but it is not a place to be if you want others to fawn over the brilliance of your ideas or the beauty of your rhetoric.


In Topic: money wins!

08 February 2016 - 04:32 PM

 

 

 

+1

 

I wish we could have an intelligent discussion about this.  I have seen more and more paid pros on small boats every year.  At the same time, participation is dwindling.  There is a connection.  Once upon a time, guys were paid to sail on boats that could only be afforded by millionaires, Farr 40's, TP52, Maxis, ect.  Small keelboats remained the realm of amateurs or a place for pros to sharpen their skills, but not for a check.  But, as those grand prix classes died, these dudes still wanted to get paid.  I started to notice it when I asked good sailors to sail with me on a J24 from time to time and I started getting quoted "day rates."  I was thinking, what?  you want me to pay you to sail on a J24, that is crazy.  Like it or not, it is becoming part of the cost to compete and that is a terrible thing.  Boats like the Melges 20 and the J70 are supposed to be the kind of boats the average sailor can afford.  But, when you tack onto that thousands of dollars in "day rates" the actual cost to campaign is out of the reach of many of the sailors for which the boat was originally targeted.  IMO, that is why the numbers plummet.  

 

KWRW is great proof of this.  Look at the J70 class 47 boats, only 13 were all amateur.  That reason right there is why I did not buy one.  

 

For some reason, I have never really had a problem sailing against a pro driver who is skippering his own boat.  But, when a guy who is really no better than average spends a bunch of cash to get pros on this boat and then goes and gets the trophy, that is different and just turns people off.  I have a lot of friends who are pro sailors, but the permeation of paid pros into small boats is going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.   

 

 

The goose is already dead. 

 

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Most of us are just in denial.


In Topic: Federal Judge Awards 1.46 million dollars to Crew-Member Against Vespe

20 January 2016 - 02:45 PM

Verboaten:  "ambulance chasers" almost *never* go to court. They also rarely get a decent settlement. So I doubt this was a Get Carter kind of firm. Could be, but doubt it.
 
My guess: the sailor worked his butt off for his boss and always had. When his boss told him to race even with a separated tendon, he did. And he was so badly injured that he had to leave the boat. Then, and this is speculation, his boss fucked him over. And finally, perhaps after having friends or family discuss the situation, he sued.
 
Rarely does anyone go into this sort of thing without a good reason. If he was fucked over by his boss, injured seriously, has a family and a mortgage, shit can get dicey. You have to protect yourself. Sometimes suing is the only way to get through it.
 
And what is it with all the vitriol about "personal responsibility?"  Seems some people swallowed the kool-aid handed out by the neocon tort "reformers"...we have a civil legal system for a reason--a good one. The little guy would be a slave without it.


Don't blame the owner. When the claim was filed he likely tendered it to his insurance company who controlled the settle/litigate decision.

Chances are the carrier had ample opportunity to get out of the case pre trial (maybe for less than the award but perhaps for more) but chose to take its chances with a litigated outcome. The carrier may be unhappy with its choice but may also be happy if the plaintiff or his lawyer was looking for more than $1.5 million.

The plaintiff's lawyer will have invested months of lawyer time and tens of thousands of dollars on expert witness fees. In normal tort litigation, the plaintiff would end up with less than 2/3 of the award. (There may be different rules under the Jones Act).

This is an imperfect system but given that we live in a country where rights are important, no one has offered a better system with a chance of being adopted.

Most of the heated rhetoric here is uninformed and off the point.

In Topic: Wing on wing?

19 January 2016 - 12:08 AM

so this thread is about signing up with Scuttlebut?

 

It can be a good place to go when a person actually wants to find pertinent, albeit light, news about developments in our sport. 


In Topic: sailing in the rain

18 January 2016 - 01:29 AM

.......should the groupon people stick to helping small businesses sell their wares at a loss.

That doesn't seem to be working so well either as Groupon's stock, which traded in the 30s in 2011, closed at $2.60 on Friday.

Given the company's current market cap of $1.6 billion, do you think Groupon's Board feels foolish for turning down $6 billion from Google in 2010? Oh, by the way, while Groupon has lost 90% of its value, the S&P 500 is up 50% over the past 5 years and the technology index is up about 60% over the same period.

So maybe the experts at Groupon really believe that boats do sail faster in the rain.