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Offline Last Active Feb 25 2015 01:44 PM

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In Topic: Lightning experimenting with Asail

25 February 2015 - 01:44 PM

Well the topic of Lightnings and asymmetric spinnakers would mean it is a lightning theme blah, blah, blah. However LS now that we have your attention care to talk about your M-17 fleet being containered and shipped to Chile. Is that what you mean when you say go into the light? More like drop into the Pisco. I never knew eight boats or a sixth of the class would ship in one box.

In Topic: Lightning experimenting with Asail

10 February 2015 - 01:27 AM

Yes indeed interesting how the discussion changed to buying into a different class vs the asym upgrade. But think about it, a new E scow program $60k, a J-70 program $50k ish, Vx one or Viper are 30 boat Nationals with very isolated fleets. The M-17 the newest technology and a fast boat, and their largest National  fleet in GR Michigan went from 14 boats to dissolved in less then three seasons last week, and that is the most affordable boat of the group. One boat in the $23k range, two closer to $30k, two in the mid $40k  range, one almost in the $60k and one over that. Ok so does a Lightning look like a bargain? I would think so.

In Topic: Lightning experimenting with Asail

04 February 2015 - 11:00 PM

Hey USA 1. Some corrections here 17 boat Nationals for the M17 vs a Lightning Nationals? Hmmm.Interesting. Have you converted anything? Not the 17 or A cat either. Those boats of yours are stock. Now, really you think you can't convert a little old Lightning for less then that? Your a good engineer matter of fact aerospace I believe. It is attainable.

In Topic: Lightning experimenting with Asail

03 February 2015 - 07:13 PM

Really $4k plus to retro a lightning? Buy a M-17 instead? I can not see that happening on either count. All things being factored I would suspect that if done correctly the complete cost could be $2500 or less. Maybe something like $2450 turnkey ready to sail. Use the model that worked with the E-Scows they more or less converted 400 boats in 6 months. They group bought. Approach Intensity/North whoever and bulk order your spinnakers, sprits, housings. Sell the kits and embrace it.

In Topic: Lightning experimenting with Asail

02 February 2015 - 06:31 PM

It is about time, however when you make the change do not make the mistake of trying to make it performance neutral. It will never sell if that is the approach. The kite looks tiny in the shoulder and very short in the foot. Going masthead was a wise choice and the rig can handle more sail area for sure. The pole should be offset mounted and also about 12 inches longer, helm will determine that. Remember trying to make it equal to symmetric is a huge mistake, it is a new rig and every class that has made the change has embraced it in the end and never looked back. Also it is better to make the change when the class is strong vs weak. Good luck.