High Flow

i don't agree with the way the issue is dealt with on SA either,

still, it is very bad communication from artemis. 

It sounds like ACEA and Artemis are involved with the other teams to figure out the lessons learned and plan for the future.  They're the ones that are actually affected by the danger here, not me or any other fan. 

it sounds like??

well exactly that is the underlying problem.

it only sounds like.

just tell us what you're doing! what's so hard about telling that you are involved with other teams and figuring out the lessons learned and plan for the future.

that is not difficult and would make it unnecessary to speculate and brag about this. 

was there some statement saying this? i might have missed it.

I can understand that people are upset about the lack of information and communication from artemis. but this does not justify the tone here on SA. 

rarely the best thing to do is "keep your mouth shut"

- what we are seeing from artemis is their will and right to do so. 

still it is a very bad example of leadership and communication. 

"what really happened"

"investigations"

who cares what really happened?

the boat broke, we all know that. 

why did it break? 

in my opinion that is not relevant. 

it was someones mistake. 

otherwise it wouldn't have happened. 

either it was the design team, the building, the sailors

who cares?!!
it was someone from within team artemis - fact.

not necessary a single person. 

this isn't about blaming someone.

something went wrong, and that happens a lot - everywhere.

only difference here is that someone payed with his life for this mistake.

and you need to talk about that. 

it is not a good example because nobody was seriously injured, but oracle was so good about communicating their capsize.

not only the video coverage of the capsize itself, but all the statements and interviews after. 

oracle told the world that they were suffering and how they think it happened and how they will recover and what do to do prevent it from happening again.

that's what we want to hear from artemis! leadership! 

statements - such as don't speculate are nearly as contra-productive as new kenyan goverment raising their pay as the first action in parliament.

maybe they were underplayed and it is totally legitimate to do so  -  but it leaves (if not communicated very carefully and well) a horrible impression. to the outside, that is the worst thing to do.

communication and talking about things is very important.

also for artemis. 

and no, i don't wan't to be in their situation - and i'm sure they have their reason to act, how they act - but to the outside it leaves a bad impression. that could have prevented this by being proactive, telling us what they are on about - how they will conduct this phase - what they think they will learn from the investigations and so on...

they don't have to reveal real facts - just talking to us would be us.

cutting the public out it the worst thing to do if you're such a public "figure" - like team artemis.

i don't see very many french involved ... 

yes there are some, 

I think larry wasn't bothered to ask the french. he knew it better.

the french sail big cats and tris around the world and they work. yes a pitchpole here and there has happened, a beam has broken - no big deal, that is offshore sailing.

here we are not talking about offshore. this is inshore "no waves" - "light winds" (compared to the offshore) stuff. 

we shouldn't see any of this major personal risk stuff at all. ok a sail my rip and a mast may brake. maybe the boat cracks in the middle - all seen before. 

was there ever a major threat to the crew?

i think not!
is there a major threat now? 

i think yes - and not only since a couple of days. 

the oracle guys came lucky no one was injured. 

since when do sailors need airpacks? what are the expecting when they get on the boat?

The combination of

- big cat

- wind sail

- foils

- breezy venue (more than 15 knots)

is to much for the development to keep up with. 

and if you want to do it - then ask they guys who know best about it. 

a broken beam is a major issue. if it was a simple metal fatigue in a bolt or whatever was mentioned by someone earlier - and this leads to such a catastrophic failure with a casualty - then these boats are not safe and should not be sailed in more than 10 knots (for me that is: not at all - otherwise it isn't the americascup - but the idiot-cup - which to some extent it is already - you don't think so? - well think about the AC33 or just read through this: http://en.wikipedia....0_America's_Cup and think about it). 

It would be disappointing to hear of any change in plan, remember the LVC is only 52 days away.

 

Given there is well over a billion dollars invested in this cup alone, it would have to be some sort of confirmation from the US authorities declaring the boats are unsafe by design and they refuse to register them; or thereabouts to cancel this event. Backing down from 72's is a huge decision....

 

This will take some time, the next week will at least show us how the competing teams want it to play out, the full investigation will take longer than that.

 

I know it is emotional when there is loss of life, why doesn't everyone restrict themselves to even semi-positive comments? Otherwise the mods should lock the thread until we know where this is going.

it is hard to be even semi-positiv about this. apart from a few deed-of-gift hardnuts, nobody understands the logic of designing and braking these monsters and killing the crew.

obviously this touches people emotionally and they have the right to state an emotional optinion.

it's hard to weigh the millions of invested money against peoples lives.

better have a good tv spectacle on AC45 for the LV and AC, as one team bailing out, two others braking their equipment a couple of days before the event, and some people getting seriously hurt.

of course it would be disappointing not to see the AC72 flying accross the bay to decide the cup,

but this might be the point to realise that the ambitions were a too high,

and change course.

we'll see what happens.

forget the deed of gift.

they found loopholes for building a multihull in the missmatch,

now they found a loophole for foiling even though it is outruled

then find a loophole to allow one-design AC45 to be sailed in the Americascup.

The AC might have been about design, but is surely wasn't about dying!

Stop quoting the deed of gift if you want someone to listen to what you're saying!