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phillysailor

Member Since 18 Jan 2010
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In Topic: Trump: 'I Have Zero Investments in Russia'

Today, 09:52 PM

Since when has it become ok for a US politician to request help from the Soviet Union for help smearing a political opponent? 

 

Since when has it become ok for someone seeking to become President to infer that the FBI is incompetent, and requires assistance from foreign entities to complete an investigation?

 

Personally, I am very concerned by Trump's pro-Putin in light of his history of financial vulnerability. Most US banks will not loan his companies more money, but pro-Putin Russian oligarchs will? If you are going to accuse Hillary of "pandering" to her constituents, ahem, Wall Street banks, then at least Trump's investment portfolio makes him open to the identical charge. 

 

The difference is that Trump's relationship with Russian oligarchs is ongoing and structural to his companies' success, whereas Hillary's fees were payment for services rendered. Also, realize that Hillary's max fee of $200K was less than the Drumpfmeister commanded ($1.5Million) for similar speeches. And face it, whatever your opinion of her choices, opinions or history, she is one of the most successful women in the world today, and entitled to such speakers fees. 

 

Regatta Dog, Saorsa, and Shadow: your support for a Russian sympathizer is duly noted.


In Topic: Remedial Education for Progressives: The Foundations of Liberty

Today, 09:18 PM

 

Well, NGS, perhaps all the legalese that followed that initial statement reveals a deeper version of truth in Bastiat wanted. But he's got fatal flaws from a modern perspective because of those he felt didn't deserve the full extent of the freedoms which he "defended." 

 

It is the process of enfranchising blacks and women and the other groups that is the subject of modern debate, namely, how sexism and racism and class warfare is to be negated by laws and allow "ALL men to be free." So I wonder why you think Bastiat is so relevant to our modern discussions of rights in America. 

 

He's a great guy for quoting if you want to protect the rights of rich white men who oversee the rights of others. But from the view of the "others" it is, in effect, the strongmen rule. You have to at least understand this point before you can claim to carry on a conversation these days.

 

 

Au contraire, mon ami.  

 

It is an absolute certainty that there would have been no abolitionist movement, no women's suffrage movement nor an end to segregation and Jim Crow had they not appealed to these universal ideas.   If you doubt me, read one of MLK's speeches sometime, those of Frederick Douglass or any of the suffragettes.  That there were times in history when America failed to live up to her highest principles is in no way an indictment of the ideals themselves.  We can say the same for France during Bastiat's time.  

 

 

Are you kidding me?

 

He took FOR GRANTED that women and blacks would not vote. It is not for HIS ideals that women and blacks fought.

 

 

You can't quote his writings and ignore the glaring racism and sexism in his message. You twist his intent if you think his musings incorporates these modern ideals or had envisioned them despite inadequately pursuing the logical result of his arguments. If he had intellectual rigor, then he'd end up sounding like Progressives, much to the chagrin of any bigot trying to "educate" liberals.


In Topic: The DNC Russian Connection

Today, 06:46 PM

Jillian has the Hillary crowd squirming like some little kid that has to take a shit and holds it as long as he can then says fuck it and lets go in his pants. It aint pretty, stinks to high heaven and someone has to clean it up.


To recap.

Trump and the GOP are aligned with the goals of a foreign superpower and a renegade group of cyber warriors, and this is declared a good thing for patriotic Americans wanting things "cleaned up."

The US, enjoying ever decreasing numbers of illegal immigration and violent crime "needs" solutions which resemble demagoguery, racism and class warfare imposed by a multiply bankrupted real estate broker who promises to make similar deals on behalf of the US Treasury.

Fiction is so boring and predictable.

In Topic: Remedial Education for Progressives: The Foundations of Liberty

Today, 05:47 PM

Well, NGS, perhaps all the legalese that followed that initial statement reveals a deeper version of truth in Bastiat wanted. But he's got fatal flaws from a modern perspective because of those he felt didn't deserve the full extent of the freedoms which he "defended." 

 

It is the process of enfranchising blacks and women and the other groups that is the subject of modern debate, namely, how sexism and racism and class warfare is to be negated by laws and allow "ALL men to be free." So I wonder why you think Bastiat is so relevant to our modern discussions of rights in America. 

 

He's a great guy for quoting if you want to protect the rights of rich white men who oversee the rights of others. But from the view of the "others" it is, in effect, the strongmen rule. You have to at least understand this point before you can claim to carry on a conversation these days.


In Topic: Remedial Education for Progressives: The Foundations of Liberty

Today, 02:14 AM

 

Seems like the only government Bastiat would be happy with is one that did not make laws that governed the interaction of men.
 
Sounds suspiciously like anarchy, which, nowadays, is best enjoyed on the high seas. Please, NGS, go find Nirvana, and take the Donald with you, for that would Make America Great Again.
 
Enjoy the gyre. 


Meh

 

 

Well, dude. What about it?

 

If life liberty and the production of men are all superior to the government, then no government shall be judged fair which abridges one's life, liberty or production. Exactly how, then, are laws to be enforced?

 

According to Bastiat, laws governing men shall not lead to their loss of freedoms, liberties to act as they please, and they shall be allowed to produce whatever they want, to sell to whomever they want and with utter disregard to the rest of the country as they do it. That doesn't describe America, nor does it describe a nation that could be great. It sounds like a utopia for strongmen.

 

 

Perhaps the complexity of modern life has outstripped our current set of laws to govern according to your definition of "fair", but that does not necessarily mean that the entire experiment needs to be tossed out. Perhaps there need to be substantive changes, but it seems to me that Bastiat disagreed with the notion that laws help men to be free, to enjoy a life of liberty and production. You need a government for such laws to exist and be enforced. Its a chicken and egg kind of thing, at least to me. Not interesting in picking which came first.