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phillysailor

Member Since 18 Jan 2010
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In Topic: Botched execution

Today, 03:25 AM

Once again, my argument is NOT about the "fuk stik", it is not about how heinous the crime was. It is about the society, and the individuals in that society whose job it is to kill the criminal. And about the lessons taught to the kids and random passer-bys who bear witness to the execution on the street or on TV. It is about the wife of the prison guard whose turn it was to kill an inmate that day. All would be scarred by these various implementations of the death penalty.

 

From the fundamentalist's point of view, the soldier lying dead on the ground fifty feet away was, while on deployment, busy killing his fundamentalist brethren. To him, the soldier just got what he had coming. From that perspective, the only difference between the action of this blood-soaked killer and the policeman who shoots him and watches him bleed out is the decreased time between the action and the revenge killing. 

 

You may want to toss aside morals in this case. You may want to skip boring & expensive legal proceedings and simply chop his head off. But an educated and moral society does not support those actions. Those are the actions of societies we disdain. Our country should not torture. We should teach that killing is wrong.

 

This is not a good time for grey zones, "These people can be killed in the following ways..." or "We can torture if...." That just opens the door to allow rationalization and speeches of justification by folks we don't like killing and torturing people we do like, and then pointing to our example as a blueprint. 

 

Otherwise we should go ahead and make the death penalty more efficient, even if it means we kill an innocent person every now and then. But if we do, we should realize that we are no different from our enemies save for our incomes, quality of internet access and dialect.


In Topic: Botched execution

Yesterday, 02:13 AM

Perhaps we could institute Sharia law and start chopping the hands off people suspected of theft as well. Stoning seems to work well in some locales. Let's send some curious volunteers over to the Islamic State, or contract their legal experts to assist with a more effective system of deterrence here in the US. Sheesh, we can't even kill bad guys properly.

 

Perhaps we should simply hold the hand of the poor, unfortunate bastard that rapes an 11 yo girl after raping and shooting her mother, ties the girl and her sister to their beds, douses them with gasoline and burns them alive. (link)

 

A person at that level of evil does not deserve anyone's sympathy. 

 

Edit - Sorry for the hijack - your post was about a real victim.

 

Carry on.

I'm not extending sympathy, I'm accusing blood-thirsty DP supporters of having more in common with Islamic fundamentalists than I'm comfortable with.

 

I don't actually have a soft spot in my heart for sociopaths, and your post reveals your mistaken assumptions of the reasons to oppose the DP. There is nothing the DP accomplishes that cannot be achieved by life imprisonment at less cost. And by cost I mean both dollars and the cost to our morals, which should be far superior to those of blood-thirsty killers. To me, this issue is about economics and self respect, not the best way of killing people who kill people. 


In Topic: Atlantic Cat Mastfoil Loses Mast?

Yesterday, 01:54 AM

Wow. Heck of a warranty!


In Topic: How was your day?

27 July 2014 - 09:37 PM

Glued in bulkheads #1 and #5. Only modest problems. Fillets look fine a few hours later😎 now with the kids at the pool

In Topic: Botched execution

26 July 2014 - 03:34 PM

Perhaps we could institute Sharia law and start chopping the hands off people suspected of theft as well. Stoning seems to work well in some locales. Let's send some curious volunteers over to the Islamic State, or contract their legal experts to assist with a more effective system of deterrence here in the US. Sheesh, we can't even kill bad guys properly.