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phillysailor

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In Topic: Obamaís ISIS Strategy Is Basically Like Poking a Hornetís Nest With a

19 September 2014 - 03:22 AM

Friendship tours? Alliances? Please explain Philly. And not in theoretical university lecture way rather how those will stop the brutal and savage murder of innocent women and children in the present.

 

They are not OUR "innocent women and children". We are not the world's protector. These selfsame "innocents" will hide their men when they eventually try to kill our advisors in blue-on-blue incidents, and are part of a world we haven't helped very much, despite our best efforts. This was going on before ISIS, before Al-Baghdadi, before Saddam. We cannot fix culture, at least not with bombs.  To be honest, we had a chance, but we didn't get it done right. I don't think we need to inflict our "help" on this situation. This needs to be fixed from within the culture.

 

By going there, and bombing, we are merely identifying ourselves as the sole unifying element in the scenario: the infidel. It is hubris to think that this time, we will finally "fix the middle east." Kill these guys, and there will just be more guys to kill. I'm sick of paying for this, since we aren't getting our money's worth, and I really cannot ask more limbs and blood to be shed for the effort.


In Topic: Obamaís ISIS Strategy Is Basically Like Poking a Hornetís Nest With a

17 September 2014 - 01:16 AM

"mad dogs who are slaughtering people"

 

There is ample precedent for killing people you don't like. We don't have to bomb everyone who does it. ISIS did it on YouTube, so it hits closer to home. Vlad the Impaler, Romans, Greeks, Indians, Texas DAs, lynch mobs, Salem witch trials, the Inquisition. All have elements of violence which need systems of restraint. 

 

Our policy of military aggression hasn't produced a return on investment which should justify further investment. It ain't one man at the head of this action, it is a collection of people, companies, and institutions, and all are demanding action. Obama's half-hearted response reflects ambivalence, since the country's momentum (and that of much of the world) is to pursue a military 'solution', and though he really wants to stay out of it, he's sworn to ride this train. If he can do it from the air, he feels he can retain some semblance of control over the process.


Problems with this strategy are myriad. We are a downed plane, a tortured pilot, a wedding bombed, a nearby country turned from ally to enemy (or target) from reaping the profits of our steadfast belief that we are the only ones who can kill with impunity, with moral rectitude. 

 

Take that claptrap to History Anarchy.  I know it is en vogue to wallow in guilt for the sins of one's great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather - but I don't buy that shit.  Sell it to the ever apologetic liberals.

What? Not sure you have a point worth caring about, but I'm just saying killing people (even violently, on YouTube) doesn't mean we have to kill more people to perhaps get the outcome we want. Maybe bombing/advisors/invasion will help, maybe it won't. I'm arguing that our policy of military aggression in Iraq, whether presided over by liberals, conservatives, Rs or Ds, hasn't really had the desired effect. We cannot kill with impunity, otherwise 9/11 wouldn't have happened, & we wouldn't have lost so many lives, limbs and more in Iraq and Afghanistan without having to face the same issues, once again. 

 

No one is beating a different drum, so here we go again. I ain't wallowing in guilt for my forefathers, I'm trying to learn the lessons of the last 30 years. If you don't care about those lessons, you are part of the problem. Turning it into liberals vs conservatives is the opposite of constructive dialogue, and you are mental midget if that is all you turn to when hearing a differing viewpoint. 


In Topic: Obamaís ISIS Strategy Is Basically Like Poking a Hornetís Nest With a

17 September 2014 - 12:31 AM

"mad dogs who are slaughtering people"

 

There is ample precedent for killing people you don't like. We don't have to bomb everyone who does it. ISIS did it on YouTube, so it hits closer to home. Vlad the Impaler, Romans, Greeks, Indians, Texas DAs, lynch mobs, Salem witch trials, the Inquisition. All have elements of violence which need systems of restraint. 

 

Our policy of military aggression hasn't produced a return on investment which should justify further investment. It ain't one man at the head of this action, it is a collection of people, companies, and institutions, and all are demanding action. Obama's half-hearted response reflects ambivalence, since the country's momentum (and that of much of the world) is to pursue a military 'solution', and though he really wants to stay out of it, he's sworn to ride this train. If he can do it from the air, he feels he can retain some semblance of control over the process.


Problems with this strategy are myriad. We are a downed plane, a tortured pilot, a wedding bombed, a nearby country turned from ally to enemy (or target) from reaping the profits of our steadfast belief that we are the only ones who can kill with impunity, with moral rectitude. 


In Topic: Obamaís ISIS Strategy Is Basically Like Poking a Hornetís Nest With a

16 September 2014 - 11:30 PM

Actually, this little war is of all of our making. We are overreacting to an excellent PR campaign by ISIS just as their fair weather "me too" recruits have done, and gotten on board this train of aggression.

 

ISIS has some money, some land, some people and now is just starting to have some responsibilities. Few other Muslim nations respect or admire this group, fewer still are allied with them, and no one wants to publicly support them. There was a real chance this band of crazed loonies would run out of steam, expertise and resources without such allies. 

There is at least a reasonable chance that American military efforts will produce the opposite of intended effects, in that ISIS is wiped out but another entity occupies the void here or elsewhere and learns how to manipulate America and the west. Or, learns to strike sooner at America before they are in the front page gunsights.

 

There is no concerted American effort to stay out of war. Everyone is happier when we are bombing, when we are discussing strategy, tactics and logistics and not negotiations, friendship tours, building alliances. Certainly pundits are happier when they can point at ineptitudes on military fronts, and they know how to debate these issues beautifully. 

 

ISIS is a Muslim problem in a Muslim neck of the woods. Maybe it comes home to the west, or maybe it doesn't. Bombing them may not have the impact we desire on that possibility. Engaging Muslim countries to combat ISIS because their countries are in jeopardy changes history. It appears we are doomed to repeat it by bombing another middle east bad guy.


In Topic: best bits of being a sailor - for me anyway

06 September 2014 - 02:19 PM

Recently, a good fillet is what I like. Or sanding a joint to reveal what looks like symmetrical perfection. Moving on to the next step.