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phillysailor

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In Topic: How Would You Respond to ISIS?

Yesterday, 04:10 PM

This is currently a Muslim problem, affecting Muslim nations. We need THEM to perform housecleaning. If we do it, we will be seen as Western Crusaders. Unofrtunately, homeland elections will be lost by supporting this approach. There is a clamoring for action by those it enriches, and by those simply opposed to anything the current administration proposes. We are a house divided, and we have no hope of dealing with a united force like ISIS in our current miserable state of affairs. There will be no consistent approach without bipartisan dialogue and cooperation.


In Topic: Airstrikes on US, AUS and Euro citizens. Ethical?

30 August 2014 - 07:24 PM

One of the major problems facing international terrorism efforts is the example set by America post 9/11.

 

We had the sympathy and the attention of the world, and the opportune moment to act as leaders for the next century. By bombing, invading and dismantling two nations we have shown Muslim nations can expect force be applied to their nation at the whim of the leaders of other countries. Iraq did not support AQ or OBL, but they were decapitated and their nation subjected to the full force and vengeance of America. Afghanistan was the seat of the Taliban, and protectors of OBL, and therefore a much more justifiable target of military aggression. Discriminating more carefully between the two could have shown that there are costs to directly supporting terrorists that are not borne by nations simply at geopolitical odds with America.

 

There are no rulebooks, no good textbooks written about defeating world wide terrorist networks in the era of IEDs, shoulder fired SAMs, ISIS and air travel. But I think independent observers would say we aren't off to a good start. Better to use our surplus cash to renew and reinforce our transportation and medical infrastructure and develop alternative, robust forms of energy and energy transmission. We'd be better off against weather-sponsored terrorism as well; small boat aficionados love one item serving multiple purposes. Just think of nineteen or twenty America ISIS members being exposed (without their knowledge) to ebola, and then told to engage in a fictitious "sleeper" cell mission back in America. 

 

You really can't bomb that idea into submission. 


In Topic: Airstrikes on US, AUS and Euro citizens. Ethical?

30 August 2014 - 03:00 PM

I equate walking around with a gun, in the badlands of Syria/Iraq and occasionally seeing the enemy and watching the other guys and doing what they do as "just fighting" with ISIS. I think planning to, or actually returning to the US with weaponry or with plans to commit terrorist acts are acts of terrorism. There will necessarily be a grey scale in between, where most cases will probably fall. I can't say for sure how I'd judge those. Ain't my job, glad to say. What do you think?

 
I understand your point, and mine is that given ISIS's chosen tactics, that anyone "fighting for ISIS" should reasonably be considered a participant in those tactics.  caveat - I've spent a bit of time in that part of the world, and have personally witnessed the lack of value these groups place on an individual life.  So - my opinion might be swayed a bit by my past experiences with similar groups. 

I obviously do not share your experiences, and therefore your viewpoint. I am enmeshed and necessarily constrained by living and working in America. Although your tactics make sense in the Middle East, I see my role as a US citizen to provide debate which keeps those tools and techniques where they belong. We are and should continue to be constrained by rules and laws. Currently the proposed techniques are against the law. While being pressured to relax standards, this debate is crucial to establishing policies which do not embarrass us forty years later. Thanks Guy.

In Topic: Airstrikes on US, AUS and Euro citizens. Ethical?

29 August 2014 - 09:26 PM

I equate walking around with a gun, in the badlands of Syria/Iraq and occasionally seeing the enemy and watching the other guys and doing what they do as "just fighting" with ISIS. I think planning to, or actually returning to the US with weaponry or with plans to commit terrorist acts are acts of terrorism. There will necessarily be a grey scale in between, where most cases will probably fall. I can't say for sure how I'd judge those. Ain't my job, glad to say. What do you think?


In Topic: Airstrikes on US, AUS and Euro citizens. Ethical?

29 August 2014 - 09:04 PM

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Not picking nits,PS, but, how do we distinguish an individual who's merely "fighting with ISIS" and one who ascribes to the behaviors you articulate above?   I would suggest that given the tactics ISIS has embraced, that such separation isn't practical or possible.  Your thoughts? 

That separation is what makes us different from those who would kill indiscriminately. Ie, ISIS. Please, let us learn from water boarding. Betraying our ideals is not to be taken lightly. That is where our tactics take on the lustre of strategy. We must retain our freedoms, our rights and our ideals in the face of terror. THAT is our battle cry. People will line up behind that flag, behind those leaders. 

Killing reflexively, out of fear, is for lesser men, lesser countries. C'mon, lets lead the way!