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In Topic: Some Safety Ideas

17 May 2013 - 07:48 PM

I'd like to think that AR type crashes will be Highly unlikely with the V2 boats remaining, meaning instantaneous destruction of the boat causing persons to be trapped underwater after the hulls twist and tramps turn to fishnets...

 

 That being said, the highest probability of injury or death would be falling from height into hard objects and becoming unconscious.

 

So how to avoid high altitude falls??

 

 How bout incorporating more hand and footholds into the hull cockpits and tramps?!

 

  If the crew can stay put through a PP or capsize, odds are pretty good they'll be able to climb down relatively safely.

 

The tramps are perfect handholds already, but the Oracle guys who managed to hold on said they couldn't climb down and had to jump clear eventually. AR1 had foot loops for hiking that would make great holds, but they may be gone on the blue boat - if they have gone 'all-cockpit'?

 

   Agreed, and I hope AR blue keeps the loops.

  As you mentioned on the tramps being ok for temp holding, they're not good for decending. 

 

  I'm thinking a string of loops laced across the tramp both fore/aft and athwartships to create a soft ladder of sorts.


In Topic: Some Safety Ideas

17 May 2013 - 07:27 PM

I'd like to think that AR type crashes will be Highly unlikely with the V2 boats remaining, meaning instantaneous destruction of the boat causing persons to be trapped underwater after the hulls twist and tramps turn to fishnets...

 

 That being said, the highest probability of injury or death would be falling from height into hard objects and becoming unconscious.

 

So how to avoid high altitude falls??

 

 How bout incorporating more hand and footholds into the hull cockpits and tramps?!

 

  If the crew can stay put through a PP or capsize, odds are pretty good they'll be able to climb down relatively safely.


In Topic: Recovering a flipped 72

16 May 2013 - 07:03 PM

WS... with all due respect.

 

  Use the search function, or just re-read one of the many threads covering this topic.

The OR capsize thread comes to mind.

 

  It's been beat'n senseless elsewhere...


In Topic: AC 72's - Put a Fork In Them

10 May 2013 - 07:43 PM

 

 

 


 

   For the record, the boat didn't capsize, it self destructed at the beams and twisted turttle.

 

  it was purly a hull failure, not a boat handling failure.

 

That is rank speculation on your part.  

I am not so sure...

 

Honestly, CNN and the Mpls Star Trib noted A-boat suffered a fracture in the forward cross-beam then the hulls began moving away from each other and crash...with note about engineering...

 

Seems to make sense, particularly considering its history. Still, in all, it is what it was...I am not a NASCAR fan, though we sponsered the 3-Car at one point, and this venue is moving too close to that tack, for me, as exciting as it is...imagine 3 or 4 of these things in the air, racking and crabbing in the Bay...whoa!

 

I will again fork self and go silent.

 

It may well turn out to be the case and that outcome makes a certain amount of sense given what we already know about that particular boat.  But we should not pass off speculation as fact, which is my problem with the original poster.

    

 

    The skipper on the boat said there was a hull failure!  how is that not FACT.

 

  If the boat had truly capsized or PP'd, don't you think the miriad of eye witnesses and cams would have spoken up??!!

  A PP or Capsize (broach to leeward, wing smacks the water) is VERY distinguishable on a 72' cat.

 

    She broke up, lost stay structure, wing went down, hulls twisted.  Thats it!


In Topic: AC 72's - Put a Fork In Them

10 May 2013 - 06:31 PM

 

 

Ok. Why? Explain yourself. Otherwise you are just throwing barbs, not arguments.

 

You should follow your own advice.

Really? I have made no personal attacks against anyone here. I have presented an opinion and when pressed, backed it up with an argument. Perhaps that argument is a weak one, but an argument none the less. Others have challenged that and I have stated I respect their right to disagree, not thrown vitriol back in their face.

 

Please explain how the Artemis capsize proves the class should be retired.  As part of your answer, explain in detail how both the design of the boat and the location contributed to the capsize.  

 

   For the record, the boat didn't capsize, it self destructed at the beams and twisted turttle.

 

  it was purly a hull failure, not a boat handling failure.