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    Farr 38 as a liveaboard cruiser...

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    On 4/20/2021 at 9:49 PM, Se7en said:

    Perhaps a Farr 1220...

    Thanks everyone; it seems the 11.6 is a good boat and will do what I want it to do. 

    I missed the quoted comment the first time around, though, and so I've spent the last hour'ish looking at the 1220. It looks like a great boat and will do what I want it to do with a bit more storage and space. Anyone got any comments on the 1220?

    Farr 38 as a liveaboard cruiser...

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    11 hours ago, Se7en said:

    Design 72 or 172?

    We tried to find a Farr 38 (for a 6 month cruise for a family of 4) 5 years ago. Didn't end up finding one at a price I wanted to pay, but it was one of the few that made the shortlist after a bunch of research kicking tyres. This was a design 72, with the forward head - and 'er indoors did think the head was a little on the small side. In QLD, we mostly ended up showering on deck when anchored anyway. Rest of the design is typical racer cruiser, they sail pretty well and are easy enough to single hand once set up. No nasty traits, you could probably add an asym for easy single handing

    There were some issues with keels on the Binks Farr 38s... not sure if they were serious or just scuttlebutt.

    The design 172 with the rear head I liked even more on paper, but have never seen one in the flesh. (and we ended up buying a boat with that layout). I really like the rear head for both room and ease of storing wet gear.

    For a liveaboard, it would have just enough storage space, just enough water and just enough range under power. Fun sail for a keel boat. Shallow enough to make it through the great sandy straits, deep enough keel that it will go to windward. It's pretty good in that size / price range, and better than most - I'd happily have one to sail around east coast AU for a year or two. 

    If you are paying for marina's by the metre, then it'd make a good compromise. If cost no object, then something in the 42 - 45 ft range would give a lot more room, better boatspeed, but still small enough that the sails / anchor etc can be handled manually. Perhaps a Farr 1220...

    What boat did you end up buying after looking at the 72?

    Farr 38 as a liveaboard cruiser...

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    Posted

    11 minutes ago, Se7en said:

    Design 72 or 172?

    We tried to find a Farr 38 (for a 6 month cruise for a family of 4) 5 years ago. Didn't end up finding one at a price I wanted to pay, but it was one of the few that made the shortlist after a bunch of research kicking tyres. This was a design 72, with the forward head - and 'er indoors did think the head was a little on the small side. In QLD, we mostly ended up showering on deck when anchored anyway. Rest of the design is typical racer cruiser, they sail pretty well and are easy enough to single hand once set up. No nasty traits, you could probably add an asym for easy single handing

    There were some issues with keels on the Binks Farr 38s... not sure if they were serious or just scuttlebutt.

    The design 172 with the rear head I liked even more on paper, but have never seen one in the flesh. (and we ended up buying a boat with that layout). I really like the rear head for both room and ease of storing wet gear.

    For a liveaboard, it would have just enough storage space, just enough water and just enough range under power. Fun sail for a keel boat. Shallow enough to make it through the great sandy straits, deep enough keel that it will go to windward. It's pretty good in that size / price range, and better than most - I'd happily have one to sail around east coast AU for a year or two. 

    If you are paying for marina's by the metre, then it'd make a good compromise. If cost no object, then something in the 42 - 45 ft range would give a lot more room, better boatspeed, but still small enough that the sails / anchor etc can be handled manually.

    Design 72 is the one I've been looking at. 

    Handling a 65' cat compared to a 50' cat

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    Posted

    Thanks everyone, some really good tips here. I love the camera idea. They're so cheap now and relatively maintenance free for a big benefit.

    If going bigger it seems windage and ground tackle need attention. Makes sense.

    Chris White said he felt 57' was the limit for an experienced couple and it seems Soma's experience on an O55 bears that out.

    You guys are the best .... (insert_something_here) ...

    Handling a 65' cat compared to a 50' cat

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    3 hours ago, soma said:

    I think it really depends on the windage of the platform. Not all lightweight performance cats are the same. A GB62 has very tall bows and the bow knuckle isn’t in the water up front. She’s like a leaf on the water. A GB57, only 5’ shorter, has very low bows and a deep forefoot and handles completely differently.
     

    There are lots of things you can do to minimize the difficulties. Some crews sail around with 3 furled headsails up, all the time. Ditch ‘em. That’s a sh**ton of windage. Put the max dboard down that the situation allows. Drive it hot. Don’t follow the old “don’t drive faster than you’re willing to hit something” rule. That’ll screw you. Drive or like you stole it. High aspect rudders and boards stall at low speed so you need flow to maintain traction. 
     

    Its 100% doable for the layperson. But...a paint job on a nice 60’ cat is $150k. Mistakes are $$$. 

    Great post, thank you.

    I would attempt to design a low windage platform but I guess you can get lazy and leave furled sails up.

    I guess I'm really asking is what is doable with a pair of experienced sailors?

    Handling a 65' cat compared to a 50' cat

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    4 minutes ago, us7070 said:

    I've crewed on gunboats 60' and over

    you better know what you are doing when you try to dock one in any kind of big breeze.., not that I was ever near the wheel when that was happening: it is scary enough just to watch - especially when the docks are concrete.

    the bows can blow around a bit

    have someone ready with a spare fender- it's not always obvious where it is going  to be needed

    So prep around docking. That's a good call. I think it will take a good appreciation of how much she blows off and a good understanding of wind and tide and very good spatial awareness.

    What else though. I'm sure I'm missing something that more experienced people can help me with. I'm your standard male - I think I'm smarter than I am.

    Handling a 65' cat compared to a 50' cat

    in Multihull Anarchy

    Posted

    Please, talk to me I'm a three year old (because that's the level of my intellect) and explain why, when talking about stupidly light, performance cats there's a huge difference in handling, in close quarters and at sea.

    I have my own ideas but I want to hear from you lot who are infinitely more experienced, better looking and possibly more drunk than I am

    Arigatoo

    Cat tails from over the horizon

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    Posted

    15 minutes ago, Tylo said:

    Here's a thread about the Antal Line Driver (the thing I was talking about that I *think* Soma has installed on his Outremer 55):

     

    Ah cool, thank you. I'll have a look.

    I'd be keen to see the simplest option available. Which is likely more in line with Cerulean's rig. Seeing more options around that would be instructive.

    Girl with patreon account goes sailing in hot place

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    Hmmm, Govt in Aus, US and UK and the majority of other places are conservative but 'Leftists' run the world? Not sure that really stacks up.

    Google has the critical mass to pretty much do what they want on the majority of their platforms and via search. There are alternative platforms but until they get a large user base they'll never be more than fringe.

    Sailing Doodles has improved now they've had a change of crew and Bobby is hard at work putting out a higher volume of videos. I've started watching him again.

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