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  1. I see this a bit of a heated personal debate and obviously we all will never agree completely but I can set a parameter. Zero is a wrong answer. The answer is greater than zero. Anyone arguing zero is objectively wrong. The true answer is a super complicated based on available resources and how may lives could be saved using those dollars and resources other ways.
  2. Yes, I agree. I was just making the broad point that there is a kernel of truth to the "money is better spent elsewhere" argument in relation to pushing for 100% vaccination. I also have zero problem with your "my boat, my rules" argument. That should apply all the way down to what brand beer your crew brings!
  3. Yes, I thought that statistic was suspect for some reason. I just had not looked into it
  4. Yes, the number of people who die from blood clots related to birth control is much higher than the COVID vaccines...but many people don't hesitate to keep taking birth control. Perhaps that is an acceptable risk vs reward? However, the issue of health dollars spent in one place vs. another is a real issue. The UN claims 25,000 people (including 10,000 children) die of hunger each day. I have no idea if that is an exaggeration or not but I can see the argument that before we spend the money send a medical professional out to vaccinate the third world, maybe we could send some food.
  5. I think you makes some good points...and some I take a little issue with. As Allan Dershowitz said, theoretically the US government would be well within its constitutional rights to make a vaccine mandatory if: 1) the disease was sufficiently dangerous and contagious; 2) the vaccine was sufficiently safe and effective. I believe his analysis is probably correct...but it is a matter of degree with each element. While many reasonable people would say that these conditions are met with COVID, you could argue with a couple of these elements with some merit. For example: You could argu
  6. I agree. Parts of Europe cannot afford to go another summer without tourism. I keep reading articles about how the EU is “considering accepting only vaccinated tourists” but the actual requirement tends to be: 1) vaccinated tourists, and/or 2) a negative test, and/or 3) documentation of recent recovery. I think they (those writing the articles and governments) are just attempting to get the voluntary vaccine rate as high as they can which isn’t a terrible goal but I doubt vaccines will actually ever be required to travel most places. And when we discover that the vaccine imm
  7. True, but that is kinda to be expected isn’t it? Communism/socialism wouldn’t fail so miserably if people were altruistic en masse. The best systems usually align people’s perceived self interests with what is best for society also. On that theme, maybe allowing the relaxations of some of the most annoying “NPI” as a reward for getting vaccinated (“PI”) might have a net positive effect.
  8. How long would you trust a metal (brass?) through-hole for a boat that is continuously in the water? Is there a rule of thumb? Typically experience?
  9. Yeah, I was talking about trying to persuade society at large rather than your boat, your house, your party. I think many people agree with you regarding their own private spaces.
  10. Sure, your purview-your rules. That's fair. I think you are probably wrong about it being mandatory though. There is nothing like telling people they have to do something to make them resolute in their decision to refuse. I think the availability of the vaccine for those who want it coupled with better treatments for those who catch it will reduce the death numbers significantly and the whole issue will likely take a back seat to other things that kill more people each year. I could be wrong. We will see.
  11. No, I agree with "your boat your rules." I agree with that principle for a range of subjects. However, when dealing with the task of persuading a large group of people (society) to get vaccinated, who you probably cannot force to comply, a better approach might be to take actions to deescalate the debate. One such action could be to stop aggressively enforcing the precautions that we took before vaccines existed (such as masks, business closures etc...). You are free to say "screw that!" and keep pushing aggressively on all fronts but you may end up with a country that is still onl
  12. This is my point. Outside is probably the least important place to wear a mask given breeze and UV light. Enforcing such rules aggressively probably does more to keep people from getting vaccinated than actually helping public health.
  13. I think you are probably correct regarding the willingness of India. We will see what actually happens as the scarcity is not likely to end in the truly impoverished sectors of society. Re America, here is an idea for thought- I think part of the polarization regarding COVID vaccines has spilled over from the heated debates regarding closing down businesses, mask wearing requirements, and threats of making the vaccine mandatory. At this point, maybe a quicker relaxation of these rules would reduce the polarization of the whole issue. If given a choice would you rather make
  14. Have those days "passed" ? I think you still need to show certain vaccinations to travel certain places. It was my understanding that COVID was primarily not required yet because availability is not exactly universal yet...although when COVID vaccines are available universally it will likely be a considerable debate.
  15. At this point I think reasonable people should realize that there will likely always be different strong opinions about COVID and maybe we all should realize that if the first world cannot get to 80%+ vaccination rate (with money and availability not being an issue) then the third world does not likely have a chance...which means ridding the world of COVID is not likely going to happen ever. Luckily, treatments are getting better and the vaccines seem to be pretty safe and pretty effective in the short term. Unfortunately, if there are people really getting COVID twice in a year the
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