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  1. Must be a different Sitka. AFAIK Sitka (ex-Gogama) has spent her entire life in Vancouver.
  2. 110 degrees? That's almost close each to close reach. A boat like this should be tacking through as low as 80 degrees - 90 degrees at the very most. I don't care how crappy the sails. Are you opening up the leech to reduce heel? How much heel are we talking about when you say it lays over? 20-25-30 degrees? A boat like this should be sufficiently stiff. Beamy, good draft, 42% Bal/Disp. A very open leech could explain the 110 degrees. If you need to reduce heel, there are numerous other ways, travel down being one of them. increasing mainsail twist past a certain point is p
  3. Exactly...PHRF is not a rating rule. It is a handicapping system. It even says so in the name - Performance Handicap Racing Fleet About the only real optimizations you can do are sail area adjustments, and to a lesser degree engine & prop. Although that is more of a tradeoff than an optimization. The rest is up to the discretion of the handicapper. No need. If you want a boat with a soft rating (handicap), keep this one. Sailboatdata says first built in 1983, which was the year they bumped the 1T level to 30.5 from 27.5. So she would be a pre 1983 design and most boats
  4. I imagine green stuff grows on top - kinda like what appears to be green stuff in the barely visible cabin top in the unfortunately small photos. To my eyes it looks like there may be a depression in the cabin top where the mast is lying on it - but tough to really say. I gotta think the whole cabin, deck, and cockpit will likely need replacing.
  5. Not really - if it is bought as a cheap roof over your head and manage to pay no slip fees as is the case with Max. Max is a 40 footer - spacious if spartan below. Last time she sold that I am aware of she was advertised at less than CAD 10k This type of liveaboard is more about economics than lifestyle choice.
  6. Chaser 33 IIRC. Definitely a Peterson 3/4T
  7. As I predicted in the IOR landfill thread once she became a liveaboard a couple of years ago. Surprised it took this long really. Above photo is off Sunset Beach in English Bay (Vancouver)- about 3 blocks from where I live. Typically several liveaboards on the hook off Kits Beach end up on the rocks of Sunset each time there is a strong Westerly like we had the other day. Below is Max from 2016 or so, i.e. before she became a liveaboard - on the other side of English Bay.
  8. For old school IOR aficionados, what appears to be Ted Turner's old S&S One Tonner Lightnin' is listed on the same site: https://www.smartmarineguide.com/L49816643
  9. Typically any boat sitting in a boat yard for some time isn't worth a pinch of shit. I work at such a yard. Although the occasional deal does come along. We seized a C&C 34 a couple of years and a co-worker picked it up or the storage fees owed which was $7k in Canuck bucks or about $5k in US Dollars. He cleaned her up mainly, replaced cushions, etc. investing about $15k total and sold her for $30k shortly before the whole pandemic thing got underway, so he made a decent profit on that. But that was the only seized boat I can think of that was half decent. But there are so m
  10. Yes, the Coronet Elvstrom 38. But it had a large pilothouse. I suspect Jan Kjaerulff had a hand in the design since I believe he was instrumental in the design of Prince Alfred, the Aussie 6mR with a similar bulbous bow;
  11. The first terms in calculating RSAM and RSAF were to determine the areas of the main and foresail. But RSAM had a .35 multiplier while RSAF had the .5 multiplier. Since you use .5bh to find the area of a triangle, they simplified it by using .35 rather than .7 x .5 for the main and .5 rather than 1 x .5 for the foresail. The second part of the first term for RSAF (1.0+1.1*(LP-JC)/LP) was to account for the area of the overlap and typically came out as 1.33 IIRC The second terms were the Aspect Ratio penalties (or adders) I mentioned in my previous post. A bit primitive, but it at lea
  12. Apologies. Misunderstood the intent of your post. I though you meant the only boats you knew of with delam problems were ones with kevlar hulls
  13. Well, there are more than a few Laser 28's around here. Right about the Kelea garbage scow thing though.
  14. Following a winning trend I suspect. Or the designers felt the efficiency of such a rig more than compensated for the high rated sail area it incurred. Or that MH rigs worked better for heavier boats Recalling what I can about how IOR rated sail area: 100% of the geometrical area of the genoa was used in the calculation. Only 70% of the geometrical area of the main was used in the calculation. An aspect ratio penalty was applied to both the genoa and main (may have been greater for the main - my mind is a bit hazy on this, but would explain lower AR mains) Ther
  15. I would guess she would have similar speed to a One Ton of that era - once the sheets were used. They would probably do a horizon job on her upwind and be faster DDW. But on a beam reach, I suspect Cascade may have been faster having basically two mainsails.
  16. A common myth that simply was not true. IOR actually favoured big low AR mains. What you say about the mizzen was true however. Anyone who has played around with the IOR RSAT calculations will quickly realize how much it favoured big mains and smaller headsails. At least with regards to actual sail area vs rated sail area. Milgram took it one step further and eliminated the headsail altogether. Combine that with the low rated area of a mizzen and indeed you end up with a very low RSAT. IIRC, Cascade had a sail area of 800 sq ft but an IOR S of 300 sq ft. The hull form i
  17. System 3 has a very low viscosity 100% solids epoxy: https://www.systemthree.com/products/clear-coat-low-viscosity-epoxy-sealer?gclid=Cj0KCQiAlMCOBhCZARIsANLid6bURpi197QW_hRGROOdikWlJYVDjceLbC_BUMqtf1La6PUWVkeqDdAaApUGEALw_wcB I used it to seal the outer mat layer on my old boat. It rolls on pretty much like water - I used less than a pint to roll on a coat or two on my 27 footer. Cures quite slowly IIRC.
  18. Probably not. That one is a Heritage 37 - but in too good a condition to be called an IOR landfill IMO. But the Mull 3/4 Ton Clockwork Rocketship (which I may have posted here before) definitely fits the definition of IOR landfill. Such a sorry state she is in now. Hilarious CL ad goes with the photo of CR below: Okay, here is the text from the CL ad: nice lookin racing sailboat, about 36',comes with 4 sets of sails has gimble propane stove,sellin for guy so know nothing except it runs good and needs interior work,it floats so u just need to tow it with boat or trailer or i c
  19. Some of the newer designs may, but not all do. ^^ This. Even Brit Chance's Mariner had a crease along the topsides for measurement purposes - although designed to the entirely different 12mR rule. Mariner V1 had creases everywhere - topsides and stern steps. Plus a bow bustle to boot. Mariner V2 proved faster IIRC - but not fast enough nor enough time to be selected over Courageous or Intrepid. IMO, stern steps aside, there was a lot of genius in Brit's design of Mariner. The revised stern looked quite good - and the only photo of it I can think of was in a book
  20. Well, the Davidson 30 Star Dancer had a PHRF of 74 post MORC mods (rig bumped a couple of feet IIRC). Photo below. Very nice looking boat. So I can see how a modded Peterson MORC - Maxi could be assigned a PHRF of 72. I don't know if it is as fast as a J/35, but the former owner told me he won a fair amount of hardware with the boat.
  21. I should add that the Holland 47 in the CL ad is Infinity IIRC - which had a flush deck (see photo below left). I think the one in the CL ad had deck and cockpit/coaming mods in an attempt to make her more cruisey. If my memory serves correct she had a low profile cabin added. In any event, my point is I don't think she is in her stock configuration any more. Lots of boats on the West Coast may fit your bill. There have been a couple of 40'+ Kaufmans - like the 46 below which was recently advertised at USD 15k and sold. Flush teak deck with MH rig.
  22. It's probably still around. It was on CL just a week or two ago. Cl ads typically expire in a week or two. This ad pops in and out of CL every few weeks it seems. There is a frac rig alloy Peterson 40 circa 1980 for USD 8500. Similar size to FOP, so maybe not what you're looking for: https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/boa/d/newport-beach-40-peterson-sailboat-1980/7417840753.html
  23. I've been wondering about that notion. I think I've heard both that it is likely everyone will contract Omicron and that it is likely everyone will have been exposed to Omicron. Not just semantics as there is a big difference between the two. Wondering if anyone can clarify this. I had been planning to visit my father in Nanaimo for the holidays but having second thoughts on this mainly for his safety, but nor am I relishing the prospect of taking the ferry now that you can't remain in your vehicle for the trip.
  24. One of the problems with this article is the author brings up Mitchell's Equation - which IIRC was meant to apply to "thin ships" which most monohulls are not. The author qualifies his comments by noting that the article applies to boats sailing in "displacement mode" (I am paraphrasing here). I think the author puts the cart before the horse in discussing the entry half angle. The reality is that high L/B ratios is what results in lower wave drag (and a sailing scow typically has a high L/B ratio) and tends to result in a high Cp. However a high L/B ratio pretty much necessit
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