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  1. Yes, in Canada there is J.T. Hawkins which makes "Cheezies" and only available in Canada. A multi-generational family business, Cheezies have been around as long as I remember. Even the packaging looks pretty much the same as in my childhood. They do not advertise. Have been asked several times if they would like to go public and expand. The president said the company makes enough money to keep the family members happy. Even in the relatively small Canadian market
  2. South Park was a bit ahead of the curve by lampooning this topic several years ago in their "Strong Woman" episode. Although the best part is they manage to do a spot on impression of "Macho Man" Randy Savage:
  3. This would be the renovation of "The Fabulous Hagar" nearing completion. Looking good.
  4. As far as stiffness goes - shape (cross sectional inertia) is in many structures a bigger factor than the material. As Zonker mentioned, tie bars and the like add a lot of stiffness. Design has a lot to do with it.
  5. If you want to go the composite route - why CF? While CF is much stiffer, standard FRP is almost as strong - and much less $$$. FRP would be more bendy but that is about the only drawback I can think of when compared with CF. McMaster Carr has square FRP tubes (which are inherently stiffer than similar sized round tubes) of varying sizes and thicknesses: https://www.mcmaster.com/plastics/shape~rectangular-tube/material~fiberglass/ You can also find pultruded FRP tubes from various web vendors. At joints, you could epoxy in FRP gusset plate(s) to strengthen the joint.
  6. Given it's location, almost certain it is a Martin 24 (aka Martin 241 - to differentiate from the later 242, 243, & 244) From the in the water photo, my first thought was a Martin, but I'd never seen the underbody. An old Sailing Texas shows the underbody below, and it looks like a very close match. Unfortunately, I believe it is the original rig. Keep in mind Donny originally designed it back in '77 as a PNW version of Magic Bus - i.e. an IOR 1/4 Ton. There is an old thread on here about it - but apparently the first one came out and rated at QT for about 3 months, then ru
  7. But those were positive changes that came about beginning in 1975 with Gerontius and 45 Deg South/Genie Cal20Sailor make it sound like post 1985 designs were more well behaved than pre-1985 ones. Unless there was a typo and he meant pre-1975. But it took a few years for the kiwi influence to shake through IOR. And then there was the setback in 1979 when the DLF was introduced to IOR. This is why Pendragon competed in the '78 3/4T World but was unable to in '79 as her rating went up by 2 ft. Refusing to be foiled, they bumped the rig and added a small sprit to bring her up to the
  8. Just curious about your the pre-1985 separation when the last significant rule changes I am aware of were in 1979 or thereabouts. Change in direction by designers around 1985?
  9. Not really. It was known going into the election that there would be a lot of abstentions or whatever the French equivalent of a spoiled ballot is called. Many voters were loathe to vote for either Macon or Le Pen. It was believed they would tend to vote for Macron just to ensure Le Pen didn't win. More of a vote against Le Pen than a vote for Macron. Edit: I shouldn't have said "It was known", more properly "It was believed going into the election."
  10. It may help to know the spar section used. But if you knew that - you would probably the wall thickness. Boats of similar size and displacement are likely to have masts with similar sectional dimensions. I'm not really familiar with the 10M, but given it's displacement, the mast outer dimensions are likely at least 7" x 5". Depending on the level of accuracy you need, such a section would likely have a minimum wall thickness in the neighbourhood of 0.15" You might want to peruse the Rig-Rite web-site: https://www.rigrite.com/ They have many different sections and di
  11. In h20Man's defence - to realize that he would have to have ventured into the cesspool that is PA.
  12. Later model SAABs so more related to Bosch electronics than their FI stuff. But the returnless injectors on the Aero are crazy expensive. About 3 x the cost of the injectors on the Viggen - and there are 50% more of them. $1200 vs $240 for a full set.
  13. That would be Joseph Lucas. So many Lucas jokes: Joseph Lucas' dying words "don't drive at night" Why do Englishmen drink warm beer? Because they keep them in Lucas refrigerators. To be fair though, I had a British sports car with Lucas electronics and never had any issues. And the Smiths gauge were superb IMO. But I have had lots of problems with the Bosch stuff in my SAABs.
  14. Agreed. 3,000 DLH for a 30 footer seems high - for a production build. Years ago I met with Donny at his shop while they were tooling up for production of the Martin 32. We talked about DLH and IIRC he indicated something just over 2,000 DLH. So looking at the Andrews 28 and applying a similar amount of DLH and you get 2,000 DLH x say USD 25/DLH you end up with USD 50,000 Direct Labour Costs. Rather than the 50% DM adder say bump it up to 70% since it had a lifting keel, carbon rudder and sprit and top shelf hardware (Andersen winches, Spinlocks, etc). You end up with USD 85,000.
  15. That was Gulf War II and was the casus belli for the US in that conflict. These were more the Gulf War I timeline. The gassing of Kurds happened in 1988 prior to Gulf War I and related more to the Iran/Iraq war, while the SCUD attacks were during Gulf War I. A casus belli for Saddam in Gulf War I was he accused Kuwait of slant drilling oil across the Iraq/Kuwait border, which is considered by some to be true. Not making any judgements here, just pointing out some inconsistencies in events and timelines. And yes, multiple rabbit holes - especially in Gulf War I.
  16. Nice. I half thought of making an offer last summer but the transport costs to PNW, spartan interior, and lower than expected headroom weighed too heavily on the negative side of the ledger for me. The topside graphics didn't do the boat any favours either, although the entire exterior looked like it needed refreshing anyway. so not really a factor in the end. Now if I lived in Socal it may have been a different story. Good luck with the boat.
  17. I doubt it. Kiwis have had lightweight wide ass fin keelers long before the 727. Kiwis have a long history of innovation in sailboat design. Jim Young's Fiery Cross had a canting keel which was soon banned and dated back to the 1950's. Probably another 40 years before canters were allowed again. Design of the Stewart 34 below dates back to 1958 IIRC Farr also designed the HT Titus Canby, which preceded the 727. You can see the similarities between the Stewart 34 and Titus Canby in the last photo
  18. My statement was based on the simplistic view of someone wanting a boat beyond their means right now and elects to obtain a large loan because that is the only way to swing the deal. In the scenario of alternative uses of $400k in available funds I agree. Actually, $400k invested at 10% over 20 years comes out to $2.7M Alternatively, if you pay $400k cash and take the $31,680 you would be paying in annual debt service and invest at 10%, you end up with $1.8M. Which is considerably less, but does allow you flexibility in the event of illness or layoffs or any other disruption
  19. Two different boats are being referenced. Silver Shamrock had a masthead rig when launched in '76. She also had a pintail stern. Silver Shamrock III (the one with mackerel striped topsides) had a fractional rig and more Imp like stern.
  20. Good spot. Apparently Lucy is a 1985 build rather than the original five but they were all cold molded so lots of opportunity for minor modifications. http://www.histoiredeshalfs.com/Quarter Tonner/Q Kirby.htm So it is possible they left the "skeg" out of Lucy for ease of construction or more likely to make her a bit faster because by then nobody really cared much about IOR in North America - at least in the smaller Ton classes. Below is Orillon again with a better view of her transom as well as Squeezebox - which apparently was a daggerboarder originally and also has the sk
  21. Agree, but she looks more like a smaller version of some of the early Kirby take on a lightweight QT. Five were built and a couple competed at the '76 QT Worlds: Eager Beaver and maybe Squeeze Box. Looked a lot like the K-25 with the short stern overhang, but had a slightly more rounded stern. K-25 came out a couple of years later. First two photos below are Lucy - one of the five and sistership to Eager Beaver. Very similar to a K-25 at first glance. Last photo is Orillon (ex-Eager Beaver)
  22. Did you tour with Bachman and Young? Your story is reminiscent of the lyrics to "Prairie Town", but I imagine that is what you had in mind.
  23. Even more fun when the obstruction is a ROW boat and 20 comes into effect. Most people understand the concept of shore room - but not may seem to understand that a ROW vessel can also be an obstruction. At least at the club level. Even fewer seem to realize that once the hailing boat has competed their tack the regular Port-Starboard rules apply.
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