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  1. There is a CF-27 in SA classifieds named Menace - asking $2500. https://sailinganarchy.com/advert/owner-14/ Oddly enough the boat is in Mississippi - I don't know why anyone would pay the trucking charges to get a 27 footer from SoCal to MIssissippi - unless it was a really special boat. IIRC, Connor's Menace was black as well. Looks well taken care of and DC had optimized that boat to the nine's and many many hours fairing the bottom and foils - although that was also many years ago, so who knows if the bottom is still in that condition. Anyways, for anyone in a light ai
  2. Speaking of Canvasback - Runaway, her bigger and slightly older Kirby sibling apparently sold recently. Runaway was on the '81 Canadian AC Team For the young'uns. BITD...the only AC was Admiral's Cup.
  3. That one has me stumped. Too big to be L'Effraie - the French Mini-Ton Cat Sloop which managed to sail through pretty much the same loophole as Cascade. Anyway, below is L'Effraie at the '78 Mini-Ton Cup, which she won BTW.
  4. I talked to some of the guys sort of involved with this the day after the boat arrived in the yard and they said there was some rot that needed addressing. We were outside looking over the hull so I assumed they meant the areas where the varnish had peeled I talked to JR the other day, and I got the impression talking to him that the bilge area needs some work rather than the topsides. So he will fix that and do some additional reinforcing with UD S-Glass. Also will be glass coating the exterior. Turns out the boat was not free - more of a marketing ploy I think to garner interest
  5. I'm guessing you're looking at Starbuck - the Black Soo for sale. Anyway, there is a similar thread here in SA from just a few days ago: Might be worth a read - but consensus is that there is little or likely nothing you can do to stop leaks from a keel stepped mast. But there are a few tips to mitigate the issue.
  6. They did have permanent backstays. In-line frac rig? Nearly impossible not to have one. If you zoom in on the photo of Canvasback a couple of times, you can clearly see the permanent attached to the MH crane. Even in the photo below of a K-36 that I pulled from Sailboatdata you can again see a permanent backstay there. So they were equipped with them. Now, it is possible when you looked at her it was removed, although I 'm not sure why.
  7. While I understand why, that can lead to an awfully slippery slope.
  8. The idea behind the hull shape isn't so bad - as long as you can keep minimal heel. There was a boat at the '73 QT Cup named Black Bottom, which had a similar but more extreme shape. Back in the days when IOR was one huge design lab.
  9. I think by 5:1 he is referring to WEST System epoxies which are 5 parts resin: 1 part hardener. Most are less than 5:1
  10. Got turned into what I assume was an insurance claim about 40 years ago when her deck "caught fire" I saw her maybe 35 years ago planted in the front yard of an acreage property in the Cowichan Valley. What looked like a J/24 keel (or similarly undersized keel) had been somehow affixed to her belly and a plywood box cabin plunked onto what was probably a plywood deck. Just saw her as I was driving by so didn't get too many other details.
  11. Yes indeed. I was including wins by an X-102 ('81 & '82) in the '81 through '89 wins of this hull.
  12. I recall the radius of curvature penalty, but I'll admit my mind is a bit hazy on the timing and details. However, it seems to me that while it may have penalized hard chines, it didn't stop the soft chines (like on the X-102 and the follow on X-3/4 Ton), the intent of which was the same. And yes, guys like Jeppesen were also using soft chines in the stern and even some hard ones like Dobroth. Although the intent of hose "chines" was entirely different than ones related to FDI and the various Midship Depth measurements.
  13. I would call those creases rather than bumps. Surfing may have been part of the equation - but mainly it was about increasing Forward Depth Immersed (FDI), which IIRC was the hull depth at 1/8 B from centreline. Niels Jeppesen used the same thing in his 3/4 Tons - and probably in other of his Ton class designs as well. Edit: crease may not be the right term - fold is probably more appropriate. As in origami. I think the radius limits must have come in well after 1980, because Jeppesen did the same if not more extreme crease in boats like the X-102 (below) and almost identical h
  14. Once flow has tripped from laminar to turbulent, there is no going back....it stays turbulent. You are right about the re-attaching part, just that it would be turbulent not laminar flow.
  15. ^^This Decksweepers have been around for ages - or at least since 1970. Here we have Ficker driving Intrepid during the '70 AC.
  16. Agreed. As you say, I believe the main advantage is end plate effect. Any attempts to include it in the sail area calcs - even as inefficient sail area effectively bans it. Or at least anyone would be silly to have one if it was included.
  17. Maybe they meant only two Cooper Ganbares with the Brit Chance keel (like on "Not By Bread Alone"). Because way more than 2 of the Cooper ones built like you said. - probably close to 10 in total. Advertised price of $1,000 must be a teaser - because I don't think I've ever seen one this nice and with the foil and rig upgrades. Keel is much deeper and higher AR than the stock ones and elliptical rudder. Mast looks newish. Newish diesel. Very modern albeit dark interior. Only downsides I can see are the sail inventory and the fact it is a pintail. But heck, if this boat
  18. Stern shot of "The Fabulous Hagar" at Shelter island. Hull in pretty good condition other than some peeled varnish on the topsides. May need a few strips of cedar veneer replaced - but the exposed portions of cedar looked more weathered than rotten to me, but I'm not a wood expert. JR ended up getting her - so she is in good hands. Looks like the rudder was updated sometime in the past.
  19. Yeah...nah. Tumblehome II has almost a foot on her in both length (34') and beam (10.6').
  20. I think that may be the one with the "pop top" cabin I mentioned either earlier in this thread or another one. Yes that was all about headroom requirement. IIRC, the whole cabin structure could be made to collapse when actually sailing - making one huge cockpit up to the mast. My guess is they had a light cover they could place over it when collapsed. My recollection was a bit hazy though as I thought the cockpit extended to the bow rather than the mast.
  21. Too easy. The water is near freezing - only a few degrees different at most. I would have thought that air being a better insulator than water that water would more readily absorb the heat generated by the heater.
  22. IMO you are going to have a hard time keeping the dehumidifier working on the hard in a cold CT winter. The problem with dehumidifiers in colder northern winters is the cooling coils tend to ice up when operating below about 60F, which can ruin the unit. So then you need an onboard heater. The combined amperage draw can potentially blow the breaker. The combination works okay if the boat is in the water for the winter as typically occurs in PNW. But on the hard it is a different story. For some reason, and I have never understood why and no one has given me a
  23. The C&C Half Ton had a similar or the same set up and gap - so it may be a C&C thing of that era. I think it was one of those 70's things where there was some claimed aerodynamic advantage - although I can't recall what the claimed advantage was.
  24. I believe the USCG has spotted 35 of the 40 containers. I suspect unrecoverable at the moment due to conditions, but I imagine they have a pretty good idea of where those 35 containers are.
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