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  1. On 4/28/2019 at 10:52 AM, Cement_Shoes said:

    Even minus the contact it appeared that Scallywag committed a foul with that start. What were they thinking? There was no reason to be that aggressive at the start. There was literally no competition to keep them from getting off the line cleanly and being able to do whatever they wanted to do tactically in 2 minutes no matter where on the line they started.  "Don't be early, don't barge," were their only two concerns. Yet, they only managed to get it 50% right.

    Thus further justifying his often applied nickname: Half-Witt!

  2. On 4/24/2019 at 12:46 PM, Third Reef said:

    NoFearr now listed any $129k


    Out of interest do the Cookson 12’s have cored hulls ? The certificates all say cored, but the brokers list “GRP” .




    I seriously doubt that arrogant dick-head broker would have a clue. Since Jade Cole left them over a year ago they haven't had anyone there with much knowledge about such things.  

  3. 5 hours ago, Don said:

    Ever heard of Etchells, Dragons, 5.5 meters, 6 meters, 8 metres, 12 metres, couta boats, J-class, Yglings, Flying Fifteens, Tumlarens, Americas Cup monohulls and multihulls, Int. 11 metres, Diamonds, etc. etc. etc.

    In fact up until the introduction of fibreglass production "cruiser racers" in the early 70's nearly all true "racing" keelboats did NOT have lifelines.

    For those who might not know, this was filmed on Anarchist "Don"s boat. Cant imagine why a boat like his has lifelines. Can you?

  4. 1 hour ago, Don said:

    So tell me Flatbag, who is at fault for the sailor deaths?

    Who is at fault - ask the Coroner. The report on Graeme Paul's death was handed down some years ago and and is a matter of public record. I don't know if the Top Gun case has reached that stage yet.


  5. To Quote Hoppy - "The Association cup is racing that is no different to any other club racing run on the bay and of no greater risk". 

    Except that, in recent years,  two bloody good blokes have died doing it.

    His claim that it is a "Knee jerk overreaction by SYC with the convenience of knocking out some of the more competitive IRC race boats on the bay" is plain stupid. I now know there has been a lot going on in the background for many months at the highest level of the Club and a lot of top flight legal expertise has been applied to get to the position they have now adopted. His inference that they would adopt that position with the intent of gaining some sort of competitive advantage is particularly offensive. 



  6. 13 hours ago, hoppy said:

    What a nanny state overreaction... WTF They want cat 4 safety overrides in areas where cat 7 or cat 6 is the norm. Cat 5/5n is the normal highest safety requirement for the bay.

    This is fucked.... 

    Our juniors will probably be practising on their Quests on that day in similar conditions and the Tumlaren state championships will be on the day before.

    Fucked you say? TWO dead sailors and you still think its an overreaction? You might like to speak with the families and friends of those two deceased sailors or perhaps the crews of the yachts that pulled them from the water, and see how they felt about it at the time and how they are still feeling about it today. I would be so bold as to suggest that the Race Officer for the next event in which a keel boat sailor dies while racing on Port Phillip will very likely face some time at Her Majesties pleasure and the conducting Club will likely be sued out of existence. Would you be prepared to volunteer your services as an R/O with that hanging over you?                            

    FYI Keel boats and most dinghy classes have had the same max wind speed (25 Kts) at which they will start races here on Port Phillip for many years. One major difference is that the dinghies are sailing much closer to shore and will have  rescue boats close at hand. That is not the case for keel boats which are expected to be self-sufficient. 

  7. 13 hours ago, L0kiSc0t said:


    Yep, some might think, including RYCV and RMYS it would seem, it is a dangerous precedent to override the safety categories that all other races are sailed to.

    It also may be seen as premature to decide that the safety lines were the issue when the coroners report has not been issued (last time I heard). Correlation is not necessarily causation.

    Two dead sailors is not enough precedent for you ?

  8. 2 hours ago, mexican said:

    Where did you hear that there was no more Association Cup? SYC are running it this year, although, I hear that RYCV has refused to join the party due to the Adams 10s being banned due to a lack of life lines. Details at the following link: https://syc.com.au/association-cup/

    See the ? at the end? My post was intended as more of a query than a statement of fact. Hopefully it can be revived to a level of good competition again.  Will watch with interest.

    No sane sailor can argue with the lifelines requirement. RIP Graeme and Max.

  9. 16 hours ago, Marian Strzelecki said:

    Witam  wszystkich 

    Jestem tu nowy, a na dodatek z dalekiego kraju.. kiedyś byłem  projektantem kilkunastu łódek do budowy amatorskiej.

    Bardzo zaciekawił mnie  kształt  kadłuba  SF3300 bo wiele lat temu zaprojektowałem jacht z podobnym kształtem  dziobu:

    To była wtedy Klasa: MICRO Turystyczne

    Jacht był ze sklejki  nazywał się PIP-550 i prototyp wybudowałem samodzielnie. trochę startowałem nim  nawet w mistrzostwach kraju.

    To było w 1989 roku Od tamtych lat nikt nie  zastosował wklęsłych linii pod dziobem, aż dopiero teraz. Myslałem , że już nie spotkam  konstruktorów myślących  tak jak ja. A jednak doczekałem się święta. :)


    Ostatnia fot  jest juz z dzisiejszych czasów.





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    What he said!

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  10. No more Association Cup? WTF? Used to be a BIG deal teams challenge between the Clubs. 

    And ORCV's annual Easter Race to Port Fairy canned for lack of entries this year. Only four boats entered. 

    A sad state of affairs for Victorian keel boat sailing.


  11. 4 hours ago, Dark Cloud said:

    Lot of ignorance on this thread - but you can be sure that AMS does take into account water ballast

    Not ignorance DC - more a lack of info on the AMS website / Rules about how water ballast is accounted for under the AMS Rule.

    Is a water ballasted  boat measured with ballast tanks full or empty? Reading AMS requirements for measurement it states that all water tanks must be empty but nothing is mentioned about ballast tanks. Are you able to point me in the direction of an explanation of this situation in the AMS rules?

  12. 1 hour ago, Zeusproject said:

    Not rated apparently



    So you're telling me we have a measured rating system (AMS) that takes no account of the use of water ballast in determining a rating tcf? 

    If that's true, its fucking outrageous and they may as well use the Performance Handicap dart board system. Surely taking on water ballast completely changes all the in water measurements to the extent that a "measured" yacht is no longer sailing in its measured trim. How the fuck is that fair?

  13. 18 hours ago, Zeusproject said:

    Have a look at the new j1220’s hcp

    water ballasted , big chutes , carbon rig and rates lower than the j111 

    Anyone here know what impact water ballast has on AMS ratings?

    Do the gurus at AMS even know that Jav uses water ballast?


  14. 2 hours ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said:

    It seems not all is rosy and fantastic in the world of AMS after all.


    Big call about the effect of a rating change on estimated value. If you want to play in the measured ratings game then that's always a risk, not matter the measurement system. IOR used to wipe out whole fleets on an annual basis, the AMS dudes are amateurs in that respect.

    As for holding her value, lets just say that Stampede is not a boat that crops up much in conversations about sailing excellence.

  15. 1 hour ago, Rushman said:

    Voodoo will not be invited back to Geelong.... Going to the room TWICE and they sailed in the cruising division!

    Not aware that Festival of Sails is an Invitation event?

    I have absolutely no connection with Voodoo or anyone on the boat that I am aware of but as I see it, Voodoo entered in good faith and paid their money to be there like everybody else. Surely they are entitled to a reasonable expectation that the organisers, who accepted their entry AND their entry fee, will run a course that the yacht they accepted as an entry is capable of sailing. They have raced 100fters down there in the past and set courses to accommodate them, why not this time?

    On that basis, it is perfectly reasonable for them to protest / seek redress on both counts. I agree it seems odd that they chose to sail in the AMS Cruising Division but that's their choice. Not everybody goes there to beat themselves up in the serious racing Divs, look at the numbers FFS! 

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  16. 13 hours ago, Rumpig said:

    So cos you stuffed it up and hit the mark @Couta you thing you deserve redress


    There has been a not infrequent history of RGYC laying marks with too much scope at FoS over the years. Waters there are reasonably shallow but with quite a bit of tidal flow so the scope can extend out a long way between the marks and the anchors setting a trap for the unwary. The comment from the Jury that the mark was laid "Correctly"  might be considered 'arse -covering' at best. In shallower waters with tidal flow the scope should be set with a mid-weight to hold the line vertically beneath the mark at a reasonable depth to prevent what has been happening over many years. 

    I can remember one of the Inglis 47s hairing off on a reach after hooking the weather mark in an Advertiser Trophy race in about 25 kts many years ago with the whole fleet chasing her, trying to get to the fast moving mark. 

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