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  1. On 2/8/2022 at 7:17 PM, socalrider said:

    I just found the Sailing Millennial Falcon channel.  Haven't watched their normal stuff but really enjoyed the interviews with John Kretschmer and Dick Beaumont.


    We met them in Grenada, and had them over for a few (or many) drinks on our boat. I can say definitively that they are a very nice couple. Lost touch with them since, but they seemed to be interested in the cruising first, and taking viewers along for the ride to help stay afloat.

  2. 13 hours ago, Mark Morwood said:

    I know this is not answering your question, but the key is generally VMG to windward, not angles, unless you are in a geographically constrained area. Very broadly speaking there can be lots of confusion on this topic as multihulls commonly have better VMG at larger angles than monohulls, and people sometimes get stuck on "how high can it point". Obviously lots of exceptions.

    Yeah, good point. VMG is the key. Just was trying to get a sense of it.

    I will be on a Lagoon 42 for a few weeks here in February. I will see how hot I can sail her if the opportunity comes up, and report back. We will have one data point to start with. Since we have drifted away from my initial drift, perhaps I can start my very own thread.

  3. 13 hours ago, Israel Hands said:

    Since we’ve turned to cats, can somebody contrast the average cruising monohull vs cat WW performance? :)

    It is a good question, that I think others may be interested in. Let's say for the sake of the question that average means a popular production cruising boat. So for monos - Beneteau, Jeanneau, Bavaria, etc. And for cats - Lagoon, FP, Leopard, etc. Ignoring for a moment the other factors like blown out sails, overloaded, clean hulls, etc. What would a guess be at the difference in achievable WW angles for the monos vs the cats?

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  4. 3 hours ago, Zonker said:

    You're seeking the holy grail, but these would be on my list. Roughly ranked in order of fastest first

    - the old Outremer 40/42 (but very narrow hulls so livability is a bit compromised)
    - Older Catanas (the early ones designed by Lock Crowther) 39/42
    - St. Francis 44 Mk 2 with higher bridge deck clearance
    - PDQ 36. But more of a Caribbean/Bahamas boat. Only the outboard versions; diesel versions are too heavy
    - Maybe Seawind 1100. Kinda basic and can't be overloaded. Certainly not as fast as the first 3 mentioned.

    - also many one offs by John Shuttleworth, Richard Woods, Kurt Hughes. 

    The 32 Shuttleworth will be quick for it's size but very payload limited if you want to go quickly. Good boat for Baja or Bahamas where rain isn't as big a deal.

    Thanks! I will keep an eye out on all of these. Any newer models in the 400-500K range you would add to the list. I like the Outremers, but they seem to be about double that buget!

  5. On 1/13/2022 at 5:00 PM, Zonker said:

    The totally vertical windows of the Lagoon types make me shudder.

    The angled wings on either side of cabins (Outremer) also bug me. Just trap air.

    This may be a thread drift but it caught my eye. After living aboard a Lagoon for a few months, I have recently discovered that my dream cruising boat has a second hull. But I am totally out of my depth and have no idea what to look for in a cat. When I try to look up fast-ish cruising cats, the results are all big, and wildly expensive. The production cats are less than half the cost, but seem built for playing at anchor (like the lagoon). They seem to compensate for their lack of sailing efficiency with big engines and fuel tanks, which is also not ideal. Are there any cats out there in the 35-42ft range that are decent performers sailing but wont make me retire twice to afford? And by perform I mean the things you mentioned here - allow you to get where you want to go by working the sails efficiently.

    The Excess line caught my eye, but that seems like in reality it is just a lagoon with better sailing hardware and sail plans.

  6. 40 minutes ago, HypnoToad said:

    Big open aft area of transom. Throttle and engine buttons way back there facing aft. This is a double wheel design for sure. Tiller was thrown on there because they had deadlines and nobody could figure out how to rig the wheels in time.

    Good eyes. Looks like you need to use the tiller extension to reach the throttle. Seems annoying.

  7. 3 minutes ago, Bmill said:

    The marina has bathrooms, showers, laundry, ice, a little restaurant and a great bar. Shore power and water are included in the slip rental. The previous RV-7 vs 172 analogy is painfully spot on. We're going dinghy sailing. Plane tickets in the very near future. Will post a few pics or a video of a 62 year old novice on one. It should be good for a couple of laughs. Thanks for the sage advice all. I'm undeterred with my objective but I'll break it down to some manageable goals. If I drown in the dinghy, I'm coming back to haunt this forum......

    That opens things up a lot. There are plenty of ways to go with it. I know lots of people who started on a 30-34ft sailboat and did just fine. But in most cases kept that for years, and those boats tend to be harder to sell. If you want to go truly starter boat, as small and simple as you can stand would be best. Something in the 24-25' range for a couple thousand, with just enough cabin to sleep in, a good cooler, and reliable outboard to keep you out of trouble. Use the bathroom and showers on shore, and take you boat out to play every day. Then, when you are ready to dump the boat you will have a much, much better sense of what you want and what you like. As well as the confidence to sail it. People have mentioned Catalina 30s here, and yes you can explore the Bahamas in them no problem. But you may find the giant swim platform and good refrigeration on a Catalina 320 is worth the extra money to you for example (since you mentioned wanting to snorkel and be in the water). There are hundreds of iterations experience will tell you that. But getting something and getting out on the water on it breaks the paralysis from analysis cycle very quickly.

    Fair warning though, you may never have as much fun as you do on the small starter boat. There is something magical about banging around on a simple boat you aren't afraid to break! Oh, and a big bonus is you can buy the 22-25' boats for really cheap without an outboard. And if you invest in a good outboard, typically the HP size will match what you need for a dinghy on your bigger boat, so that investment stays with you.

  8. 18 hours ago, Bmill said:

    A few months ago I had an opportunity to rent a 35' long / 12' beam slip at Boca Chica Naval Air Station in Key West. I did it it on a whim. Here's a link on Google Earth to the marina location. I'm including it because this is where I'm

    Does the marina have any facilities - bathroom, showers, ice, etc? That makes quite a difference when you are looking at what kind of starter boat will be enjoyable for you.

  9. I don't think of backing down on the anchor as a test really. I think of it as an easy way to dig in the anchor once I have it in the right position. It will continue to work its way in from there over time as it settles and get more and more secure. The backing down is a quick way to get your position right and give it a head start, so the natural movement of the boat is working the anchor in vs out. Too much torque from the engine too quickly can alter the position of the anchor and be more harmful than helpful.

    Another thing is you don't want to put too much stress on the windlass. And if you are lazy like me, you don't want to snub until you are hooked. Everyone has their own method, but I tend to put out about 4X slowly. On a mono, let the wind push you back. On a cat though, you will need to work the boat back to keep the bow in the wind. Then I take a pause and let it settle. Then back down about 1500 and see if I swing and have hooked. Then I swim on it in clear water, or clean up the boat. Then I will pay out the rest of the chain, snub, and bring it up to like 2500 and see how we set. Giving the anchor some time is key. They are not designed to be dropped right in to gale force conditions. 

    If you are in clear water, and have an extra hand on board, I really recommend watching the anchor with your snorkel gear while your crew goes through the process. It helps to see it to understand it.

  10. I have chartered an Elan and liked it. Don't remember the model, somewhere in the high 30s range. Slovenia probably isn't known for their sailboats, but as I understand it their specialty is in fiberglass so the hulls are pretty solid. They seem like solid production boats (which I tend to like) and I have my eye on Elans for my next boat. I think the 2005s were before they moved to self tacking jibs, but if not you would need to do a little retrofitting to get rid of that.

  11. I don't think that main is reefed. My guess is the wind is just enough to fill the kite, and he has the main sheeted in and vanged down to look good in the photo and not flappy flappy. If there was any pressure on that main, there would be some amount of heel to the boat, no?

  12. 4 minutes ago, kinardly said:

    In contrast, we have attended practical training events including Safety at Sea seminars and the Training Resources Safety Institute in San Diego. I think the Maritime Safety Institute on the US East Coast has a similar program with all manner of training for cruising sailors up to professional level merchant marine, ocean research, fishermen and offshore platform workers and I was pretty impressed with them. I would look them up and see what they might have to offer in the way of a chartering program.

    I have taken SAS training as well. I found it valuable, and worth doing. I guess I am not wholly undocumented. Agreed on all points here.

  13. 7 minutes ago, loneshark64 said:

    I am not sure why a Delos fan would pay what will probably end up being thousands of dollars for a video they have already seen that is on YouTube. 

    Well, it has a one minute never before seen edit. **eyeroll**

    It names the episode, and at least it is back from when delos was fun and interesting. Some sad sack will probably pay for it assuming the edit is unblurring the nudie scenes.

  14. From what I have seen, the ASA courses are pretty worthless. Like any association like that, it will depend completely on who the instructor is. It is usually for brand new sailors. I think some Med charter companies will accept it, but that does not make you any more prepared. In my opinion, you spend a lot of money for a piece of paper saying you are fully qualified to do something, rather than focusing on actually teaching you. Kind of the American was with associations.

    I would recommend spending the time/money doing an easy charter as practice in the BVIs. The moorings will rent to anyone with a credit card and a pulse. but there are plenty of school type programs that will teach you to charter, and will likely give you a piece of paper at the end of it saying you are qualified. There are lots where you can sign on with a group of others wanting to learn the same thing, keeping the costs reasonable. But make sure the experience is actually big boat sailing/living. So avoid the ASA schools that will take you poking around in a dinghy on a bay, with someone wasting your time quizzing you on the points of sail and boar terminology. 

    Googling quickly, something like this may be good if you want to charter with a group of friends in the BVIs (and who doesn't): https://www.bviyachtcharters.com/bvi-sailing-school/

    Or something like this would be more school based, and give you that ASA piece o' paper: https://horizonyachtcharters.com/bvi/bvi-learn-to-sail/

    Caveat: I am not endorsing either, I have never been to a sailing school. I own no pieces of paper saying I am qualified, but I have skippered bareboat a lot in the Caribbean (and have worked with both of the companies about. My only point is to go for someone offering the experience you need, not the paper you need. Oh and ask the instructor before signing on if they will teach you med mooring.


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